I'll believe a report about his career being in jeopardy when I see one.
But still, if there's been 800 - 1000 concussions over the last 10 years based on the 2011-12 numbers, guys cut short of their NHL careers bc of concussions is statistically insignificant. How many have their been? 3 guys? 5? 10?
10 of 800 means 1.25% of concussions are leading to shortened careers
Just because concussions have been sensationalized by lawsuits and former enforcer suicides, doesn't take away from the severity of chronic spinal and shoulder injury. Nathan Horton is latest to have his career end early because of this issue.
My issue is the double standard.
The reaction to Zetterberg being out is "I hear it's his back again, I hope it's not bad"
The reaction to Franzen being out is "I don't expect to see him play ever again, he should seriously consider retirement"
There is a lot more going on there than just the injury.
You're still glossing over a few key elements.
One: Few players play at Franzen's age or older. 41 skaters his age or older, 106 who will be 33 or older by the end of this year. 6-15% of the 690 regular skater spots.
Two: He's suffering from post concussion syndrome, which is different from a concussion. I couldn't find any real stats, but I've seen a range from 15-50% of concussions lead to PCS.
Three: It's a repeat of the same injury from last year. Again, no good stats, but most reports say that the likelihood and severity of PCS increases with repeated injuries.
So say your 1000 concussions is right, and let's say 20% hit guys in that age range, and 50% of those result in PCS, and 50% of those are repeats... Now you're down to 50 similar cases. so even just a few of those being career ending is pretty significant, and cause for concern.
Mrazek is def not our savior. He's been called up because our backup goaltender is injured. We don't even know the nature of Gus injury. He could be out a week, or out for the season. The length of time Mrazek will be in Detroit will most likely depend on that. Either way, it's nice to have a good goalie with NHL experience to call up.
Did'nt see the game today, but saw some highlights. Gus did'nt look too good, but the team can't be giving up shorthanded breakaways to the opposition either. Tighten up the screws.
I never said that, please dont put words in my mouth. This is my personal all time team, I will fully admit that I am a huge fan of Kris Draper and wanted him to centre my 4th line. This isn't a list ranking the all time forwards 1-12. Same goes for Probert, I doubt he is a top 12 all time wing, but I wanted him on my 4th line.
Pronvost is better then "several" of the D-men I listed? Who? Not Lidstrom, not Kelly, not Chelios (especially if you are taking his peak). Konstantinov I feel would have gone down as one of the best ever if not for the accident, I wasn't going to hold that against him. The guy was second to Lidstrom in Norris voting the year before the accident.
Kronwall wont get the respect he deserves until after he retires, but im sure there is a debate there. Larson was definitely better offensively then Pronvost. Larson had 570 points in 708 games, Pronvost had 297 points in 983 games. I know its not all about offense, but it has to play a large part.
Not saying that Pronvost doesn't deserve to be top 6, but to say he is ahead of "several" I believe is an exaggeration.
You're making a mistake I used to make. Looking at scoring stats despite eras. Defensemen weren't scoring that much in those days. Doug Harvey only scored 50 points in a season once. I suppose Mike Green is better than him? How about Phil Housley being better than Eddie Shore? I think not.
Forget the points. Pronovost is in the HHOF. Larsson isn't even close. Kronwall won't even come close either. Konstantinov had his career ended early so we'll never know.
Pronovost is easily below Lidstrom and Kelly, but I'd rank him above those other defensemen on your list. Now Chelios is way higher all time than Pronovost, but he was past his peak in Detroit (albeit still solid defensively).
^ That's true and I believe it's because he wasnt a hall of famer. Illitch standards.
It's disrespectful to a man's legacy and to his family to have done that. Ilitch was classless. You don't take a guy's jersey down just because you don't think he was deserving. There's a lot of undeserving players in sports who have had their numbers retired.
I'd rather see Franzen knee someone in the head, then throw a fit when someone touches glove to his face. Do enforcers prevent injuries? No, but they prevent reoccurring instances where the entire team gets bullied, thus leading to injuries. Enforcers are the street justice of the hockey world. The "police" (refs) aren't doing an adequate job for the most part in supporting player safety, so that's where the thugs come in. Is it really that hard to acquire someone that can fight AND play hockey? Probably not..
Edit: Having players with multiple roles seems to be non existent.
The segment with Helm, Abs, Quincey and Smith was one of the most fakest things I've seen on TV. Really? A conversation about Datsyuk? God try to be more original. Obviously it was a set-up conversation. Probably HBO camera guys fed up of not getting crap for coverage and told em to talk about Datsyuk or something. The Alfredsson segment was much better. He was very natural and so were his kids (little goofballs) that's the kind of stuff you want to see. Not fake conversations for the cameras...
I doubt HBO actually suggested it, but it did seem forced and unnatural. Like they were thinking "Oh s*** they're filming us, we need something to talk about!"