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#2685931 What Are You Playing?

Posted by Hey man nice shot! on 16 September 2016 - 02:34 PM

World of Warcraft: Legion 

Same right now, Got the Dh to 110 now working on my druid.

#2686093 Dan Cleary Gets Training Camp Tryout

Posted by frankgrimes on 19 September 2016 - 07:50 AM

It's a f****** PTO, if he succeeds he will get a job on re griffins and given the amount of remaining talent there chances are his veteran experience will be very welcome. Maybe a call up here and there if the Injury bug comes back.

Like it not Cleary making the GR roster or not is going to be the least of the Wings problems this year.

#2686099 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 19 September 2016 - 09:19 AM

You thinking I was attacking you or name calling by saying that some of your views are extremely foolish (definition of asinine) is one thing, but to not see how outlandish some (most) of your comments have been all offseason, is crazy to me... And like I said before, each comment seems to be worse than the previous. Relax man, October is right around the corner...

By the way, I wasn't basing any of that on what you're saying in this thread alone, more so every single other thread over the summer...

#2685978 Dan Cleary Gets Training Camp Tryout

Posted by kliq on 17 September 2016 - 01:04 AM



I see that, and I raise you:



#2685971 Dan Cleary Gets Training Camp Tryout

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 16 September 2016 - 11:00 PM


#2685929 2016 World Cup of Hockey thread

Posted by 55fan on 16 September 2016 - 12:44 PM

Which shows more of the absurdity of that "swedish mafia" article in the off-season.

They're in high positions.  They can make you a meatball you can't refuse.

#2685820 Darren Helm re-signed: 5 years, $3.85m AAV

Posted by toby91_ca on 12 September 2016 - 10:58 AM

You say "big dollars", but Helm isn't getting paid big dollars, far from it in today's NHL...

I'm not sure what people think market value is for the average 3rd line player, but I don't think what Helm is making is that far off. I think a fair breakdown for NHL forwards salaries is something along the lines of...
4th liner = $0.5-1.5M
3rd liner = $1.5-3.5M
2nd liner = $3.5-5.5M
1st liner = $5.5-7.5M
elite = $7.5+

So yes, he may be slightly overpaid, but I just don't think it's worth all the b****ing and moaning people are doing...

So, I'll admit, when I saw Helm and $3.85 I thought, WOW, that's a lot, but it wasn't based on any real facts, just a gut reaction....perhaps it was out of date...guys are making more, etc.  So I quickly checked the real numbers to see how your buckets match up.  I think you've estimated pretty well, except the range you've given for 3rd liners seems way out of wack.


Here's what I came up with purely based on the top earners (forwards) for each team (1-3, 4-6, 7-9, etc.).  The numbers here are the averages of all 30 teams.  So, there is some holes you can poke (when did they sign, UFA vs. RFA, etc.), but I think this is the closest to reality you can do without spending too much time on it, since it really isn't worth it.


4th - $0.81 - $1.2M

3rd - $1.46 - $2.6M

2nd - $3.18 - $4.44M

1st - $5.09 - $7.14M


So, if everyone thinks Helm is a 3rd liner (which he is on DET based on ice time), then $3.85M looks like more than just a little overpaid.  HOWEVER, some teams have better quality 3rd liners than others, warranting being paid more than the average....which I think is warranted for Helm, but I just think it's gone way further than what's warranted and then tack on the years and NTC that makes me go WOW!

No big deal, but it doesn't make me go WOW!


Edit: If I was really upset and felt strongly about it, which I'm not...no big deal to me, but if I was, I'd try to put in the time to come up with comparables....at his level of offsensive production + all the other intangibles, etc....try to see where he fits vs. other players in the league with similar attributes.  Maybe you'd see that a $20M contract makes sense.

#2685784 Random Discussion Thread

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 11 September 2016 - 12:12 PM

Hard not to think about how different the world is today compared to 15 years and one day ago. My thoughts are with those who lost their lives and loved ones that day, as well as with the thousands of innocent citizens overseas who lost their lives and loved ones in retaliation.

Never forget.

#2685761 Darren Helm re-signed: 5 years, $3.85m AAV

Posted by toby91_ca on 10 September 2016 - 08:46 PM


Probably the other teams that were interested in Helm when he was about to hit Free Agency. It was reported that he took a discount to stay.



I'd like to understand what teams were offering him more than $20M + no trade clause.....that for a 12-15 goal and 25-30 pt guy does not add up to a discount to me.

#2685734 2016 World Cup of Hockey thread

Posted by hillbillywingsfan on 09 September 2016 - 11:12 PM


I'm just happy to see some hockey again.

#2685582 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Wheelchairsuperhero on 06 September 2016 - 12:20 PM

I don't know who gave him that status but nothing I would have given him.  

Hasn't he, you know, made the all star team?

#2685521 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Euro_Twins on 05 September 2016 - 07:07 AM

simple: offense wins games, defense championships.

Wings biggest need is defense and Fowler, Trouba are the closest running for immediate help. Still young enough to be in their prime when this team finally has some top picks on the roster.

No, they aren't elite but the point is elite guys like Ekblad are drafted and not available. Tatar, Nyquist do have the most value of all forwards who aren't prospects but yeah wings need to add if they want Trouba or Fowler. Especially Trouba is hard because the Jets are stacked at the forward position so other than Larkin I highly doubt Cheveldayoff will be interested in anything the Wings can trade for him.

Except that after Pittsburgh wins the cup your argument about defense winning championships becomes less valid. It Kay be true some of the time. But not always.

#2685484 Mrazek's "Farewell to the Joe" Mask for 2016/2017

Posted by TheXym on 03 September 2016 - 03:39 PM

Howard will be hard pressed to have a mask as sweet as the one Petr had made. I have a hunch the customization job will be decidedly average. ;)

#2685394 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by NerveDamage on 02 September 2016 - 04:07 PM

True - however there's always the distinct possibility either player could get better, or worse as they continue their respective years.


I  would've placed Mrazek into the 'untouchables' category had he not pooped his bed in the 2nd half of last season.

I blame kickazz on that one

#2685353 2016 World Cup of Hockey thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 02 September 2016 - 04:50 AM

I'm rooting for the young guns.