It's a f****** PTO, if he succeeds he will get a job on re griffins and given the amount of remaining talent there chances are his veteran experience will be very welcome. Maybe a call up here and there if the Injury bug comes back.
Like it not Cleary making the GR roster or not is going to be the least of the Wings problems this year.
Posted by krsmith17
on 19 September 2016 - 09:19 AM
You thinking I was attacking you or name calling by saying that some of your views are extremely foolish (definition of asinine) is one thing, but to not see how outlandish some (most) of your comments have been all offseason, is crazy to me... And like I said before, each comment seems to be worse than the previous. Relax man, October is right around the corner...
By the way, I wasn't basing any of that on what you're saying in this thread alone, more so every single other thread over the summer...
Posted by toby91_ca
on 12 September 2016 - 10:58 AM
You say "big dollars", but Helm isn't getting paid big dollars, far from it in today's NHL...
I'm not sure what people think market value is for the average 3rd line player, but I don't think what Helm is making is that far off. I think a fair breakdown for NHL forwards salaries is something along the lines of...
4th liner = $0.5-1.5M
3rd liner = $1.5-3.5M
2nd liner = $3.5-5.5M
1st liner = $5.5-7.5M
elite = $7.5+
So yes, he may be slightly overpaid, but I just don't think it's worth all the b****ing and moaning people are doing...
So, I'll admit, when I saw Helm and $3.85 I thought, WOW, that's a lot, but it wasn't based on any real facts, just a gut reaction....perhaps it was out of date...guys are making more, etc. So I quickly checked the real numbers to see how your buckets match up. I think you've estimated pretty well, except the range you've given for 3rd liners seems way out of wack.
Here's what I came up with purely based on the top earners (forwards) for each team (1-3, 4-6, 7-9, etc.). The numbers here are the averages of all 30 teams. So, there is some holes you can poke (when did they sign, UFA vs. RFA, etc.), but I think this is the closest to reality you can do without spending too much time on it, since it really isn't worth it.
4th - $0.81 - $1.2M
3rd - $1.46 - $2.6M
2nd - $3.18 - $4.44M
1st - $5.09 - $7.14M
So, if everyone thinks Helm is a 3rd liner (which he is on DET based on ice time), then $3.85M looks like more than just a little overpaid. HOWEVER, some teams have better quality 3rd liners than others, warranting being paid more than the average....which I think is warranted for Helm, but I just think it's gone way further than what's warranted and then tack on the years and NTC that makes me go WOW!
No big deal, but it doesn't make me go WOW!
Edit: If I was really upset and felt strongly about it, which I'm not...no big deal to me, but if I was, I'd try to put in the time to come up with comparables....at his level of offsensive production + all the other intangibles, etc....try to see where he fits vs. other players in the league with similar attributes. Maybe you'd see that a $20M contract makes sense.
Hard not to think about how different the world is today compared to 15 years and one day ago. My thoughts are with those who lost their lives and loved ones that day, as well as with the thousands of innocent citizens overseas who lost their lives and loved ones in retaliation.
Wings biggest need is defense and Fowler, Trouba are the closest running for immediate help. Still young enough to be in their prime when this team finally has some top picks on the roster.
No, they aren't elite but the point is elite guys like Ekblad are drafted and not available. Tatar, Nyquist do have the most value of all forwards who aren't prospects but yeah wings need to add if they want Trouba or Fowler. Especially Trouba is hard because the Jets are stacked at the forward position so other than Larkin I highly doubt Cheveldayoff will be interested in anything the Wings can trade for him.
Except that after Pittsburgh wins the cup your argument about defense winning championships becomes less valid. It Kay be true some of the time. But not always.