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#2683898 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by kickazz on Today, 10:57 PM

Either you aren't reading, or chosing not to. I've stated my point a million times to you. Literally almost all of these posts have been directed at you, if  you still aren't getting it then I can't spell it out any better. My entire point has been about usage and ice time for players on the team. 

I don't mind having him if he wasn't treated like a savior defensive forward. I don't hate the guy at all. I hate how he's used. I also don't like how he's labelled as a great defensive forward when he's clearly not. 


I present all these bad numbers of Glendening. But is that his fault? No. That's a coaching issue. When you put a player in a position to fail, that's on you as a coach. The difference between Babcock and Blashill is that Babcock used Glendening sparingly and in the right situations.


Blashill for whatever reason decided to take it up 3 or 4 notches and use the hell out of him last season. 





The top two overusage issues on this team are:


1. Henrik Zetterberg

2. Luke Glendening 



We went from being a team that would outshoot opponents to a team that was consistently outshot last year and struggled to hang on to the puck. How is this not an issue for people? Getting outshot is not the first step to winning games. This is basic hockey. How many games did San Jose get outshot by Pittsburgh by wide margins in the cup finals last year and lost? All of them.



Our team would be able to score more if our team wasn't being consistently outshot.


And more shooting starts from giving Tatar, Nyquist and other scorers getting more ice time. Guess who has more ice time between Glendening and Tatar.




You're complaining about players not scoring more than 50 points but the said players aren't even given enough ice time to begin with. 


Tatar, Nyquist's icetime went down from Babcock to Blashill's coaching.

#2683886 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by kickazz on Today, 10:17 PM

So let them dominate Z and Larkin? Those guys are counted on to score. Glendening matches up against those guys so our other lines can do the scoring. If we had prime Z and Dats I guarantee Blashill would roll them out against the best in the league

Yeah it worked perfectly well the last season didn't it? I mean we were such a good team. We were so good that we consistently out shot other teams and also outscored them. 


Then we did so well that we ended up losing to the eventually Stanley cup finalists Pittsburgh. Ugh if only Larkin would have scored that game winner in game seven of the conference finals. Glendening basically had Crosby's number. He even have Ovechkin's number in the conference semi finals. And don't even get me started on how he shut down Johnson and Kucherov in the 1st round. 


Our savior Glendening always seems to keep Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, Kane, Stamkos in their place. They like almost never score against us when Glendog is out on ice. All three times when Pittsburg destroyed us by wide margins last season (2-7, 3-6, 2-5) was just a fluke. 


This new strategy is the way to go. It's the way to win Stanley cups. Nevermind the fact that the two teams that won 5 of the last 7 Stanley cups have their top centerman against tough matchups (Toews for Blackhawks and Kopitar for Kings). Nevermind all of that. That's a dumb strategy. They only won because they got lucky. Lucky all 5 times. The best strategy is clearly to have your 4th line player play 20 minutes a night against Ovechkin and allow him to shoot 15 times on Mrazek. 


That's how you win those godam Stanley cups. 

#2683836 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kickazz on Today, 03:01 PM

So glad the Wings filed for arbitration against Mrazek. Kid wants $5 million and hasn't even earned it imo. Smart move by Kenny. 


Seriously why would anyone be okay and criticize management for Mrazek wanted to get overpaid? Unbelievable. The kid played like 54 games last year and had a questionable end to his performance. Obviously management needs to be conservative when handing a contract out. You don't throw money at someone long term when they're inconsistent. 


It's funny because if we had signed him for 5 million for 6 years and he turned out to be a flop, the same people would be bitching about it 2-3 years from now. 


Somewhere in the ballpark of $4 million sounds fair for both sides. 

#2683821 Fixing this mess....

Posted by kickazz on Today, 12:22 PM

I wanted to go back to a point someone made in another thread about how people who use advanced analytics are acting like they know better than the coaches. This is not true at all. There's things in Blashill's coaching which makes sense and actually works and nobody is refuting the point. The perfect example is Brenden Smith who was sheltered and thrived under Blashill. Another example is demoting Ericsson to third line and promoting Dekeyser to first line. I'd say most of the stuff put out on ice is just fine and obviously Blash and the analytics are lining up in that regard.


The issue comes in where certain MINORITY of the players are being misused and that's where the criticism starts to fall on Blash. Right now there's a few players being misused and those include Glendening, Zetterberg and Drew Miller. 


So the next time someone comes about with wacky arguments that "Oh look at the analytics people trying to act like they know better". Stop seeing s*** in black and white, that's not what people are trying to say. They are just pointing out some of the weakest links in the lineup that need  to be changed in order to make the team go from being an 8 seed to something better. 


"Your team is only as strong as your weakest player" 

#2683802 Fixing this mess....

Posted by kickazz on Today, 09:58 AM

PVD you have to take it into context.


You can't compare Tatar to Glendening in the "all situations" chart. You would have to compare Tatar to Nyquist, Datsyuk, Zetterberg and all the other players who get similar time of 5 on 5 time. In that regard, Tatar is obviously the best possession player. 


Glendening's best comparison is probably someone like Darren Helm who gets PK time as well. In that regard Helm is the superior possession player. 


As far as the all situations numbers are concerned, take it this way: Glendening is being put out in the defensive zone more often but is struggling. There are players in the league who have similar if not worse defensive zone starts than him who aren't struggling nearly as much and are on worse teams than the Red Wings (I've already posted this chart in the other thread). But to me this isn't about Glendening, it's more about the entire team. If it's a 3-2 game with 1 minute left to go in the favor of Red Wings, this chart makes me think that Glendening should not be on ice to take the faceoff as he struggles in the defensive zone. I'd much rather put another center to take the faceoff even with a slightly lower faceoff win %. Because what really is the difference between 54% and 53% faceoff and first guy being Glendening and the second player being Datsyuk? 


Finally, there actually is no correlation to Glendening's zone starts and his possession numbers. In 2013 when he entered the league, he had about 50% defensive zone starts compared to last year where he had 70% defensive zone starts but his Corsi was only SLIGHTLY better in 2013 (but he played far less games in 2013 so it probably would have ended up being the same). It was still far far below the team average. So the issue with Glendening is not because of his zone starts, it's because of his inherent lack of possession skills. He's simply not a good possession player, regardless of what situation he's in. 

#2683777 Fixing this mess....

Posted by kickazz on Yesterday, 08:57 PM

I saw that on twitter. But what I noticed wasn't Tatar. I noticed Glendening. :)


At this point I'd keep Tatar over Nyquist. 

#2683761 Hall of Fame Worthy

Posted by kickazz on Yesterday, 04:30 PM

Don't forget time lost due to lockouts. That would have added to point totals as well.

Agreed, another good reason why Datsyuk will likely get in. He lost a year of his early prime. 

#2683732 Hall of Fame Worthy

Posted by kickazz on Yesterday, 11:26 AM

I don't think 1000 points mark will apply to Datsyuk though. Unlike Kariya, Datsyuk actually was the best at something (defensive forward). That aspect of his game is certainly generational.


But like I eluded to in other thread, some people will probably have the ultra conservative thought process and still stick to "1000 points or no Hall" rhetoric. 

#2683709 Brad Richards Retires

Posted by kickazz on 23 July 2016 - 08:16 PM

Lol dude still gets paid $20 million for the next 10 years. 

#2683704 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by kickazz on 23 July 2016 - 05:40 PM

Yeah on the PK he has the most goals against on our team (and is bottom in the league). Abdelkader has the lowest. This past season Abby was on ice for only 9 power play goals against while Glendening was on ice for 27 goals against. Glendening plays more on the PK so if you adjusted his and Abby's PK minutes for a simple scale like "PK goals against per minute of PK" - Glendog is twice as bad as Abby. (A rate of 0.13 for Glendog and 0.07 for Abby). 


Abby also happens to have the least shots against while on the PK while Glendog has the most shots against on the PK per 60 minutes. 


Abby might be the most underrated PKer on this team to be honest. 

#2683699 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by kickazz on 23 July 2016 - 02:51 PM

I'm starting to sound harsh against Glendog. Partly because people are overrating him including the coaching staff.

The guy needs a lesser role and there's others on the team that would do better.

We went from being a team that would outshoot opponents to a team that was consistently outshot last year and struggled to hang on to the puck. How is this not an issue for people? Getting outshot is not the first step to winning games. This is basic hockey. How many games did San Jose get outshot by Pittsburgh by wide margins in the cup finals last year and lost? All of them.

#2683697 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by kickazz on 23 July 2016 - 02:11 PM

That's not true because both Helm and Sheahan are considered defensive forwards with higher defensive zone starts than the top 6 and their numbers are far better than Glendening. 


Far better. Would you like me to post another chart or is it going to end up in another excuse driven post? 


Why bother I guess. I've said my piece. Last year when WIIM posted it we all called them crazy. At this point Mlive has caught on and I'm sure the rest of the press will follow suit. 


BTW what does bad team mean? We were one of 8 teams to make the playoffs in the east. That's a bad excuse. In the chart I posted of top toughest usage forwards,  Auston Watson and Mikka Salomaki both play for Nashville (7th seed). Bryon Froese plays for the Maple Leafs (Lol). I feel like you're completely ignoring charts and figures people are posting for you without even reading jumping to conclusions of denial. Unless you can actually look at the points I'm trying to make, and read the information on the charts (and realize those other players are also on "bad teams"), this is pointless. I'm basically arguing with someone who refuses to look at data. 

#2683693 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by kickazz on 23 July 2016 - 01:55 PM

Again just because he doesn't generate shots doesn't mean he isn't good defensively. Wings defensive zone style is to sit back and allow outside shots and get into lanes. If Glendening had great possession numbers the way he is utilized he'd be Zetterberg in his prime. Giving up a lot of shots doesn't mean you're not doing your job defensively. To say Glendening isn't good defensively is to go against every knowledgeable coach he's ever had

You can really see who on this board goes to Winging it in Mowtown... As soon as you realize those people on that site are nothing but fans you become humbled and realize you're not more knowledgeable than NHL coaches and managers. I'm not going to just cast off all advanced analytics but the data is so skewed on a team to team basis. If we were a Stanley cup contender this data would be alarming. This is a bad hockey team and the data reflects that more so than a single player. What a strange coincidence, every player that isn't used defensively has outstanding numbers and every defensive player has terrible ones. I guess that can only mean those guys are trash and Jurco and smith are elite. If you ran your team based off these stats you wouldn't have a good team

Lol. First it's not WIIM. It's quite clear you have decided to brush away any fact given here and run the same narrative OVER AND OVER again. The original article came from Mlive that Krsmith posted. 


http://www.mlive.com...gs - MLive.com)


Second, when all things are equal I showed you a graph of top 15 tough usage forwards in OTHER teams and still in denial. Cool. Seriously if you can't come up with a good argument and keep going on about "well I don't believe numbers" blah blah blah then that's fine. If you have nothing to show for your argument then this conversation is useless. I'm giving you basic stats and you're still stuck on anti-advanced stats narrative.


Basic simple, goals against, shots against, ice time. 

#2683691 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by kickazz on 23 July 2016 - 01:23 PM

He's used like a premier shut down forward on this team. Probably one of the most utilized shut down centers in the league. For him to have glowing stats the way he was used he'd have to be the best defensive forward in the league and a star player. Glendening has tough assignments night in night out. For his possession numbers to be great he'd have to be outplaying top line players every night and therefore be a superstar. He plays the tough minutes so Z and co don't have to and last I checked our defensive game was one of the only respectable parts to our game last year

Literally the wings were a team that was bad at everything but defensively were decent but we blame our defensive forwards all off season

This is starting to become one of the most used and incorrect arguments for Glendening. The whole "well he plays tough minutes that's why his numbers are bad".


Let me show you other players in the league who also play so called "tough minutes". The title of this graph is a dead give away btw. 




Take a look. Out of 15 players in the league who are subject to "tough minutes" Glendening ranks amongst the bottom at shot generation. What's his excuse? There is no excuse. He's just not a good shutdown forward. I'm moving on from this narrative that Luke Glendening is a good defensive forward.


He simply isn't. Kruger, Desjardins, Watson, Nystrom. Majority of the people on that list have better shot attempts than Glendening and similar defensive zone starts. And before anyone says, "it's because our coaches prefer to play safe". That excuse doesn't work when you look at other defensive forward on our team. 


This guy ranks bottom in shots against when short handed, ranks bottom in GOALS AGAINST when short handed. Ranks towards bottom shot generation amongst other players in the league who have just as much defensive zone starts as him.


I think I'd rather us move on from using Glendening for this role and move onto using Sheahan and Helm. Or like I said earlier, give Frans Nielsen the defensive shutdown role just as Zetterberg was in from 2006-2013.


If people want to ride on the "Well Luke Glendening works hard and Holland, Babcock and Blashill all praised him so he must be good" narrative then by all means. But even the simplest stats, eyeball tests and obviously advanced stats are racked against this argument. 


Anyways no point. 5 more years. Hopefully rookie coach learns from his mistakes sooner rather than later. 


The top two overusage issues on this team are:


1. Henrik Zetterberg

2. Luke Glendening 

#2683680 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kickazz on 22 July 2016 - 10:22 PM

He wasn't moved off center because he's wasn't good at it. We've lacked wingers and had a bunch of lower line centers so Helm played wing. To me, his ability to play in many situations is one of his strengths.


Helm's not a top 6 winger. haven't seen anyone argue that. 

Precisely. Something I've noticed with the Red Wings is we've had really crappy luck where we lack top 2 centers but are filled with bottom 2 centers. Have plenty of top 9 wingers. Our lack of top 2 centers basically forced Zet to switch to Center and maintain the position which means we no longer had a good/elite winger for Datsyuk (ironically Helm became Datsyuk's winger with Tatar when Franzen went down). Helm was switched to Wing because we have too many Sheahans, Anderssons, Ferraros and Glendenings. Basically bottom 2 line centers. And none of those guys can play winger that well. Maybe Sheahan but not really. 


This goes hand in hand with my bitching in the other thread about Glendening. We are using players in positions because we are forced to or maybe too stubborn to, rather than being able to use them at their best.


I'd say Helm is our best third line center if given the opportunity again. And I'd rank him as a top third line center in the league. I don't know about being the best in the league. Maybe it's possible. 


It could be proven (to an extent)with math freak data but then people would get into the whole "dial-up", "blah blah advanced stats suck, I'm staying ignorant to it" conversation again :)