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#2531787 Rule Changes in the AHL (what the NHL has considered)

Posted by number9 on 12 July 2014 - 10:03 AM

1 good rule, 2 bad

#2531341 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Zetts on 10 July 2014 - 07:50 PM

Just re-sign Alfredsson now and call it an off-season.


Jurco gets buried in GR.


I have honestly never been more disappointed/unexcited for the Wings than this off-season. 

#2531321 Who has been Ken Holland's worst recent free agent signing?

Posted by gcom007 on 10 July 2014 - 07:24 PM

I liked Modano, it's a shame it didn't work out/freak injury. You take a chance on a future hall of famer. Tootoo was an interesting idea, but the rest were garbage from the beginning.


The whole Modano situation could've played out completely differently if not for a freak injury. It's silly that people knock it given what happened. That one ought to be disqualified if you ask me.

all of them minus Colaiacovo


What kills me is that once the guy was healthy, he wasn't so bad for us. I was actually surprised we bought him out given our lack of depth on defense and that once healthy, he played relatively well, considering he was cheap and coming off of injury. At the very least, it didn't seem like he was the first salary problem that needed addressing, that's for damn sure. 

#2530797 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by Dabura on 09 July 2014 - 12:16 PM


We absolutely, positively, needed a top six center a year ago too.  We got one, for a cost that wasn't worth it, and the move did nothing to help the team.  We need to be wary about how far we're willing to go to fill a need.


I think Mike Green could help.  But I'd be wary about giving too much for him.  Because there's a thin line between need and want.  The Wings have managed quite well without a right shooting PP quarterback in the past, and if the cost is too high they need to be willing to do so again.  Missing out on FA has begun to turn the quest for a right defenseman into something messianic, and that worries me more than spending another down year letting the kids develop.  Hell we've got people clambering for Jurco and/or Tatar to get traded for an expiring contract because we need it so bad.  As if we don't need forwards with size, tenacity, and goal scoring potential, given that our current ones are getting old and injury prone.


I've been over this. We need a Mike Green, period. It's not a flavor of the month situation. It's not a grass is greener situation. Our blue line is broken and that's why we've been stumbling for the past several years. We fix our blue line, we score more. We get a forward with size and tenacity, we stil have a fundamental, systemic problem that's going to hold us back against the better teams in the league.


We're missing Lidstrom and Rafalski far more than we're missing Franzen in his prime and Hossa.

#2530296 Hockey News: Red Wings D hunting

Posted by GoWings1905 on 06 July 2014 - 07:39 PM

I would give up Tatar as part of a package for Myers, but no way on the other three. At this point, I would just prefer Kenny to do nothing and not overpay for a d-man that probably won't have the impact necessary to make the Wings immediate contenders anyways.

Let the best kid out of training camp grab the sixth spot on defense, move Kindl for whatever possible and say many prayers for Jimmy Howard playing behind that train wreck of a defense.

#2529884 TANK IT! 2014-2015 Season

Posted by Playmaker on 03 July 2014 - 08:13 PM

Would I rather be the Red Wings and make the playoffs every year, but not win the Cup every single year or be Edmonton, Buffalo, NYI, Florida, Carolina, Toronto, etc. who have "tanked it" for years now and are still no closer to a Stanley Cup than the Red Wings?  Damn right I would.


"Tanking it" is no guarantee of anything.  The Wings already re-tooled "on the fly" once and made it back to win one cup and almost a second. 


Edmonton, Carolina, Tampa, amongst other teams, all had Stanley Cups on their resume and quickly became non playoff teams.  Chicago and LA are more the exception than the rule.  Talent doesn't always translate into wins.  There is much more to it than that.


No team, in any sport, competes for a championship every single year for decades at a time. 

#2528342 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 01 July 2014 - 02:20 PM


Myers plays for the Sabres. A kid and a pick for someone who won the Calder Trophy and might very well regain that form in a new setting might be worth it. It'd have to be the right kid, though. I wouldn't move Mantha, probably not Nyquist either. Maybe Tatar. Maybe Jurco.


I'm not saying he's The Answer. But I've seen enough of him to feel he'd be worth a good look.


Tatar just score 19 goals as a rookie, and Jurco is a big, skilled, winger the likes of which we've dreamed of in Detroit for years.  And you would be willing to move them for a big goober who had a good year and hasn't done s*** since?  Barrett Jackman won a Calder too.  I wouldn't trade Tatar or Jurco for him, then or now. 


The only reason people consider it with Myers is because he's big, which might as well be a magic spell in the hockey world.  If Myers had all the same stats and accolades, speed and shot, and was 6'1 205, you'd never...ever...trade Tatar or Jurco for him. 

#2527271 Wings to have face to face with Matt Niskanen

Posted by Ekmanc on 30 June 2014 - 03:50 PM

I have a feeling that Niskanen will simply end up being too expensive for Holland's liking, at this point I really doubt we sign him.


Boyle and Ehrhoff would be great though.

#2525200 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 23 June 2014 - 08:24 AM

I don't really think this needs to become a Jurco vs. Pulkinnen debate.  They're both good players.  Neither of them would be where they are if they weren't good players. 


I'm more reluctant to lose Jurco because I know how long this team has been looking for a big, strong, fast, goal scorer.  Now that we have what looks to be one (actually two with Mantha) I'd prefer to see what we've got and hang on to him while he develops.


But I understand why people would hate to lose Pulkinnen.  You don't see a shot like that everyday.  If we already had a handful of big bodied forwards (who could score, sorry Abby), I'd definitely prefer to keep Pulkinnen.  But we don't, so Jurco is the greater organizational need right now. 

#2525022 Kaylee G Future and the Red Wings

Posted by Playmaker on 21 June 2014 - 11:49 AM

The person responding from the Red Wings site was likely an intern who wanted the job because they were a fan of the Red Wings and either wants to marry a Red Wing or is a Red Wing wannabe.


Sports Marketing 101:  Never alienate any fans, ever.  Official sites like this, if they reply at all, would reply with something like "Thanks for being a fan of the Detroit Red Wings, Kaylee!"


She is clearly a young girl and girls that age say stuff like that. I'm pretty sure most of them turn out to be productive adults.  The follow up of "Girls and Boys need to be taught that a woman has more value than physical appearance".  WTF does that have to do with her wanting to marry a Red Wing?  Maybe she was thinking Datsyuk or Zetterberg will marry her because she's a smart girl?  So this clown on the Red Wings site thinks it's up to them to offer advice?    If some teenage girl wants to fantasize that she's going to marry a Red Wing or Justin Beiber or whoever, let them be.  No need to embarrass them publicly.  Too many horror stories of kids who've taken internet embarrassment personally.  Hope the intern was canned.

#2525015 Brad Richards bought out by Rangers

Posted by Euro_Twins on 21 June 2014 - 10:22 AM

Another circular arguement. Fun times! Neither is a great player and maybe never were. But and this is key, both have long bad contracts. One team realized this and bought out their crap the other didn't. Now when comparing the 2 in terms of numbers it is taking a trip down the over rated road. But lets.....
Richards just turn 34 a couple of months ago and Franzen turns 35 in a couple of months. They are 8 months apart in age, with Franzen being older. Franzen has had at least 3 concussions in the NHL and a couple of other major injuries along the way, Richards hasn't. Over the past 3 seasons Richards missed a total of 2 regular season games. For their careers Richards scores .88 points per game, Franzen scores .61 ppg. Now over the last 3 years Richards numbers have dropped to .72 ppg, but those numbers are still better than Franzen's. Yes some of that is the fact Richards is a C and get s a lot of assists, while Franzen is a winger and supposed to score goals. On that front though they are very close. Richards has scored 56 regular season goals and 12 post season goals over the past 3 years while Franzen has scored 59 in the past 3 regular seasons and 5 in the past 3 post seasons.
Now I am no fan of richards, nor do I want him here. Lets be very clear about that. In each case we have declining players that are signed long term. Both should have been bought out. That is the point.

Since you mentioned ppg over the last three years. Over the last three years franzen has averaged .75 ppg. Yes he is streaky, we all know that. But there is no denying the production. Sure you can say he hasn't showed up in the playoffs, which is true, and he is "lazy" but his +/- would disagree with you as would just about every defensive status available. He may look disinterested and laid back, but what I see is a player babs has transformed to play defense first. His production is as high as it's ever been, and his defensive game is much better than everyone gives him credit for.

I would take franzen over Richards any day.

#2524763 Detroit re-signs Gustavsson 1 yr $1.85 mill

Posted by gcom007 on 20 June 2014 - 03:30 AM

:puke: well, so much for pushing jimmy to be better...get ready for another season of below average jimmy and tons of shootout losses, because neither monster nor jimmy are any good in the shootout. And they are both average to below in general. Typical Holland. Expect a Cleary signing before the draft. Holland is horrendous and needs to be fired. Damn him! Guess he better make that D better because these two guys can't stop s***. Holland has fallen off his wagon. He is by far in the worst 5 GM'S in the league.


I'm no fan of Holland these days, but this is one of those deals that just makes sense when you really step away. It's not a blockbuster but it's hardly an obvious mistake. It's a solid, sensible choice, and the rather obvious one all things considered. This is a backup role, and Gus ultimately did pretty well in the role last year and again, he did his part in the playoffs as best as could be reasonably expected under very difficult circumstances and a lousy defense. He's not the greatest backup ever, but at the price and given what he did last year, there's just no real compelling reason to rock the boat. There are far more important areas to be focusing on then finding a new backup goalie.


If he actually signs Dan Cleary to an NHL deal though, I really will question the sanity of anyone still trying to defend his effectiveness as the GM for the Wings. He may have great skill and knowledge to do the job well, but I think he's lost the edge he needs to do it right in Detroit. He just seems too sentimental here. A change of scenery (or simply a new role in the organization) could be good for him and a fresh perspective at GM with less fond memories for washed up players could be good for the Wings.

#2524709 Detroit re-signs Gustavsson 1 yr $1.85 mill

Posted by VM1138 on 19 June 2014 - 09:21 PM

Kind of silly to be upset over this. It's a backup role. So what if there were a small handful of slightly better goalies? They aren't THAT much better, and Gus is a known quantity with an establishes relationship with the team. It's really a non-issue. I would've liked to have had Mrazek as the backup but its pretty hard to get upset over Gus coming back.

#2523163 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by Echolalia on 07 June 2014 - 05:09 PM

I think 90% of people in this thread are arguing the same points to each other, but are actually in agreement with what Franzen is.
Franzen is streaky.
Franzen could be much better if he were more consistent.
It is annoying for us as fans to watch Franzen not perform at the level we expect him to perform at, especially when the Wings need him to play better.
Franzen's contract is long.
Despite his shortcomings, he's still a solid point/goal scorer over an 82 game season, given his cap hit.
It would be difficult to acquire a player with the same cap hit who could produce at a better level than Franzen over an 82 game season, at least right now.
It isn't difficult to find someone more consistent than Franzen for a similar cap hit, although they will likely not put up the point total that Franzen does.
It isn't difficult to find someone who gives it his all and tries to be a game-changer moreso than Franzen, with the same cap hit. Again, they might not have the points that Franzen has.

Did I miss anything?

#2523039 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 06 June 2014 - 03:43 PM


No, you're still playing games with contract amounts.  


You can't compare AAV on a single year basis as a barometer of what the expectations are.  These contracts are handed out at different times with the cap at different levels and the team in very different conditions.  A UFA signed on short notice in 2013 to fill the hole vacated by Flip is a very different situation than re-signing a roster player in 2009 that the Red Wings drafted.


You're completely ignoring that the Wings gave Franzen an 11 year contract.  The second longest contract in the history of the franchise.  You only do that with a player you want to be the core of your team.  If you look at quotes from the time I bet Holland says as much. 


Again, it all gets back to the point as to why people are content with someone with his size and ability underperforming.   Frankly I don't care what he's paid.  I'm not footing the bills.  If the Wings want to win more than one playoff game they need guys who compete night in and night out.  


Franzen has the size and skillset to be much better than he is.  Or more accurately be as good as he is at times more often.

Why are falsely claiming that "I'm playing games" and "shifting my argument?" We just disagree about what his contract says about his expected contribution to the team. Respect my view as I do yours. I'm putting up real numbers as support - I'm not playing with them. For me, the cap hit is all important in the cap world. 


Yes, he was signed for an 11 year contract - it says he meant to be a part of the team for a long time. We just disagree how large a part. I think, if he was expected to contribute closer to the level of Z and Dats then his cap hit would be closer to theirs. And yet many fans are always angry at him for not being at that level. It's understandable because of his stretches of great play. If he was that player consistently, though, he'd be paid much more.


Franzen needs to be better than he was this playoffs, but that can probably be said about every player on the team. Yet Franzen is the lightning rod for hate. Franzen is not one of the drivers of our bus - not paid like that, won't be that guy consistently.