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#2534749 Trial date set in Steve Moore’s lawsuit against Todd Bertuzzi

Posted by number9 on 21 August 2014 - 11:56 PM

IMO this was always a freak accident. Sure Bertuzzi shouldn't have thrown the cheap shot, but there are plenty of on-par or worse cheap shots that have been thrown in the NHL. The only difference is this one happened to end with the unthinkable. The result was certainly not Bertuzzi's intention, just like no player intends to end a career when they go airborne on a hit, or throw an elbow, or slam a head into the boards, or uppercut an opponents face. The intent is always to harm, but never this. The problem is 1/somelargenumber end up like this. That's the reality of fast contact sports that condones fighting. I hope that moore can get what he needs, but I also don't think that Bertuzzi should be burned at the stake for his actions. This has been hashed out a million times, but It's late and I've been drinking.

#2534400 Ice Bucket ALS Challenge: Bettman edition

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 16 August 2014 - 08:53 PM

UGH. I hate what this re-signing has done to people's (myself included) perception of Cleary. That video just made me want to hug him and beg him to retire.

Also, did anyone else notice he referred to himself as "Danny?" :lol:

I HATE the signing, but after watching tons of Wings videos this summer, I must say if Cleary was as good a player as he is a person, he would win the Hart Trophy this season.  I truly hope he proves us all wrong and has a bounce back season. 


Bettman is still the Anti-Christ.  Nothing that man does at this point can undo the wrongs that happened under his rule.

#2534315 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by Jesusberg on 15 August 2014 - 01:05 PM

Things I will give Ken Holland full credit for:


-Restocking the prospect shelves. Let's face it, the drafting was pretty hit and miss during the early to mid 2000's. Kenny doesn't get full credit here, but he was part of turning around the prospect pool.


-Being smart with prospect progression. I know a lot of people hate the whole overripe thing, but Nyquist and Tatar are examples of players who have greatly benefited from gaining experience in the minors.


-Signing younger players to solid deals. I think his "bridge deals" are a real positive. Guys like Zetterberg, Filppula and Kronwall all got them, now it's guys like Tatar and most likely Nyquist next year. He seems to be good with the younger player's deals.


-Rebuilding on the fly. Most teams need to tank, sell off their assets and completely alter their team. Detroit's managed to keep their superstars, and nearly all of their promising young players while staying competitive. Whatever your definition of competitive is, Detroit hasn't been a basement dweller - that's a plus in my eyes.


Things I don't think are Ken Holland's fault:


-Missing out on big name free agents. The salary cap has changed the playing field in the NHL, but I also think that the attitudes of players have changed. It's almost as if they want teams to chase them. The whole Suter thing was mind-boggling to me. You're a GM and you get on a plane to go talk to a player? Guys wanting to play in their hometowns, with their best friends, etc. is out of Ken's hands, I think. Does he need to change his approach, perhaps? It's a situation now where players want three things: comfort, comradery and cap hit. The one thing Kenny can control is giving out money, so luring players here is going to be a matter of over payment, I think.


Things I want to slap Ken Holland for:


-Misguided loyalty to veteran players. The list of players could go on and on, but we know the deal here.


-Bringing back familiar talent. I think you can also accuse Kenny of playing it "too safe" here. Bringing back talent to take the places of prospects he feels aren't ready yet. It's kind of a double-edged sword, but at times I think Kenny holds guys back too much. It was great for Gus and Tatar to stay down, but then the team also had that mess at the beginning of the year with Bert, Sammy and Cleary taking up spots.


-Poor judgement with trades and contracts. The Quincey and Legwand trades still bother me. Giving out 3 million dollar, NTC contracts to 35+ year-old vets, and a 4.25 million dollar contract to a pylon.


All things considered, I don't think there's another guy for the job right now, but that doesn't mean I think Kenny is totally effective in his post. He's done a lot of great things for this team, and recently some not-so-great things. If he could just alter his approach to trading, I think he would be totally set.


This team is entering a situation where the star players will be done in a few seasons, and there's quite a bit of talent waiting in the wings to take their place. The question is, which guys are going to become legitimate superstars, and what is Kenny going to do with the excess talent? I think Nyquist, Mantha, Jurco and Tatar all have potential to be star forwards on this team, DeKeyser, Ouellet and Sproul strike me as the future of the blueline, but who knows what will happen when they're not insulated anymore. Kenny's going to have some big decisions to make with the talent on this team, and they're going to determine if this entire "rebuild on the fly" process was really effective or not.

#2533687 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 August 2014 - 01:37 PM

Here's Subban with his NBA attitude, putting himself above his teammates, putting himself above the league, and generally making it all about himself. 





(I was being sarcastic)



In interviews and what I saw on CH24 he comes across as one of the more well spoken and humble players in the league.  

#2531787 Rule Changes in the AHL (what the NHL has considered)

Posted by number9 on 12 July 2014 - 10:03 AM

1 good rule, 2 bad

#2531341 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Zetts on 10 July 2014 - 07:50 PM

Just re-sign Alfredsson now and call it an off-season.


Jurco gets buried in GR.


I have honestly never been more disappointed/unexcited for the Wings than this off-season. 

#2531321 Who has been Ken Holland's worst recent free agent signing?

Posted by gcom007 on 10 July 2014 - 07:24 PM

I liked Modano, it's a shame it didn't work out/freak injury. You take a chance on a future hall of famer. Tootoo was an interesting idea, but the rest were garbage from the beginning.


The whole Modano situation could've played out completely differently if not for a freak injury. It's silly that people knock it given what happened. That one ought to be disqualified if you ask me.

all of them minus Colaiacovo


What kills me is that once the guy was healthy, he wasn't so bad for us. I was actually surprised we bought him out given our lack of depth on defense and that once healthy, he played relatively well, considering he was cheap and coming off of injury. At the very least, it didn't seem like he was the first salary problem that needed addressing, that's for damn sure. 

#2530797 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by Dabura on 09 July 2014 - 12:16 PM


We absolutely, positively, needed a top six center a year ago too.  We got one, for a cost that wasn't worth it, and the move did nothing to help the team.  We need to be wary about how far we're willing to go to fill a need.


I think Mike Green could help.  But I'd be wary about giving too much for him.  Because there's a thin line between need and want.  The Wings have managed quite well without a right shooting PP quarterback in the past, and if the cost is too high they need to be willing to do so again.  Missing out on FA has begun to turn the quest for a right defenseman into something messianic, and that worries me more than spending another down year letting the kids develop.  Hell we've got people clambering for Jurco and/or Tatar to get traded for an expiring contract because we need it so bad.  As if we don't need forwards with size, tenacity, and goal scoring potential, given that our current ones are getting old and injury prone.


I've been over this. We need a Mike Green, period. It's not a flavor of the month situation. It's not a grass is greener situation. Our blue line is broken and that's why we've been stumbling for the past several years. We fix our blue line, we score more. We get a forward with size and tenacity, we stil have a fundamental, systemic problem that's going to hold us back against the better teams in the league.


We're missing Lidstrom and Rafalski far more than we're missing Franzen in his prime and Hossa.

#2530296 Hockey News: Red Wings ‘D’ hunting

Posted by GoWings1905 on 06 July 2014 - 07:39 PM

I would give up Tatar as part of a package for Myers, but no way on the other three. At this point, I would just prefer Kenny to do nothing and not overpay for a d-man that probably won't have the impact necessary to make the Wings immediate contenders anyways.

Let the best kid out of training camp grab the sixth spot on defense, move Kindl for whatever possible and say many prayers for Jimmy Howard playing behind that train wreck of a defense.

#2529884 TANK IT! 2014-2015 Season

Posted by Playmaker on 03 July 2014 - 08:13 PM

Would I rather be the Red Wings and make the playoffs every year, but not win the Cup every single year or be Edmonton, Buffalo, NYI, Florida, Carolina, Toronto, etc. who have "tanked it" for years now and are still no closer to a Stanley Cup than the Red Wings?  Damn right I would.


"Tanking it" is no guarantee of anything.  The Wings already re-tooled "on the fly" once and made it back to win one cup and almost a second. 


Edmonton, Carolina, Tampa, amongst other teams, all had Stanley Cups on their resume and quickly became non playoff teams.  Chicago and LA are more the exception than the rule.  Talent doesn't always translate into wins.  There is much more to it than that.


No team, in any sport, competes for a championship every single year for decades at a time. 

#2528342 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 01 July 2014 - 02:20 PM


Myers plays for the Sabres. A kid and a pick for someone who won the Calder Trophy and might very well regain that form in a new setting might be worth it. It'd have to be the right kid, though. I wouldn't move Mantha, probably not Nyquist either. Maybe Tatar. Maybe Jurco.


I'm not saying he's The Answer. But I've seen enough of him to feel he'd be worth a good look.


Tatar just score 19 goals as a rookie, and Jurco is a big, skilled, winger the likes of which we've dreamed of in Detroit for years.  And you would be willing to move them for a big goober who had a good year and hasn't done s*** since?  Barrett Jackman won a Calder too.  I wouldn't trade Tatar or Jurco for him, then or now. 


The only reason people consider it with Myers is because he's big, which might as well be a magic spell in the hockey world.  If Myers had all the same stats and accolades, speed and shot, and was 6'1 205, you'd never...ever...trade Tatar or Jurco for him. 

#2527271 Wings to have face to face with Matt Niskanen

Posted by Ekmanc on 30 June 2014 - 03:50 PM

I have a feeling that Niskanen will simply end up being too expensive for Holland's liking, at this point I really doubt we sign him.


Boyle and Ehrhoff would be great though.

#2525200 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 23 June 2014 - 08:24 AM

I don't really think this needs to become a Jurco vs. Pulkinnen debate.  They're both good players.  Neither of them would be where they are if they weren't good players. 


I'm more reluctant to lose Jurco because I know how long this team has been looking for a big, strong, fast, goal scorer.  Now that we have what looks to be one (actually two with Mantha) I'd prefer to see what we've got and hang on to him while he develops.


But I understand why people would hate to lose Pulkinnen.  You don't see a shot like that everyday.  If we already had a handful of big bodied forwards (who could score, sorry Abby), I'd definitely prefer to keep Pulkinnen.  But we don't, so Jurco is the greater organizational need right now. 

#2525022 Kaylee G Future and the Red Wings

Posted by Playmaker on 21 June 2014 - 11:49 AM

The person responding from the Red Wings site was likely an intern who wanted the job because they were a fan of the Red Wings and either wants to marry a Red Wing or is a Red Wing wannabe.


Sports Marketing 101:  Never alienate any fans, ever.  Official sites like this, if they reply at all, would reply with something like "Thanks for being a fan of the Detroit Red Wings, Kaylee!"


She is clearly a young girl and girls that age say stuff like that. I'm pretty sure most of them turn out to be productive adults.  The follow up of "Girls and Boys need to be taught that a woman has more value than physical appearance".  WTF does that have to do with her wanting to marry a Red Wing?  Maybe she was thinking Datsyuk or Zetterberg will marry her because she's a smart girl?  So this clown on the Red Wings site thinks it's up to them to offer advice?    If some teenage girl wants to fantasize that she's going to marry a Red Wing or Justin Beiber or whoever, let them be.  No need to embarrass them publicly.  Too many horror stories of kids who've taken internet embarrassment personally.  Hope the intern was canned.

#2525015 Brad Richards bought out by Rangers

Posted by Euro_Twins on 21 June 2014 - 10:22 AM

Another circular arguement. Fun times! Neither is a great player and maybe never were. But and this is key, both have long bad contracts. One team realized this and bought out their crap the other didn't. Now when comparing the 2 in terms of numbers it is taking a trip down the over rated road. But lets.....
Richards just turn 34 a couple of months ago and Franzen turns 35 in a couple of months. They are 8 months apart in age, with Franzen being older. Franzen has had at least 3 concussions in the NHL and a couple of other major injuries along the way, Richards hasn't. Over the past 3 seasons Richards missed a total of 2 regular season games. For their careers Richards scores .88 points per game, Franzen scores .61 ppg. Now over the last 3 years Richards numbers have dropped to .72 ppg, but those numbers are still better than Franzen's. Yes some of that is the fact Richards is a C and get s a lot of assists, while Franzen is a winger and supposed to score goals. On that front though they are very close. Richards has scored 56 regular season goals and 12 post season goals over the past 3 years while Franzen has scored 59 in the past 3 regular seasons and 5 in the past 3 post seasons.
Now I am no fan of richards, nor do I want him here. Lets be very clear about that. In each case we have declining players that are signed long term. Both should have been bought out. That is the point.

Since you mentioned ppg over the last three years. Over the last three years franzen has averaged .75 ppg. Yes he is streaky, we all know that. But there is no denying the production. Sure you can say he hasn't showed up in the playoffs, which is true, and he is "lazy" but his +/- would disagree with you as would just about every defensive status available. He may look disinterested and laid back, but what I see is a player babs has transformed to play defense first. His production is as high as it's ever been, and his defensive game is much better than everyone gives him credit for.

I would take franzen over Richards any day.