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#2382568 Damien Brunner - Value? Comparables?

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 09 April 2013 - 06:35 PM

He'll sort his s*** out. A full offseason of workouts and training camp will do wonders for him. He's basically had to make it up as he goes. He's seen the league now and knows what it's all about. Count on him to be stockier and more consistent next season.

#2382345 Concerned - we might not make it in to the playoffs

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 08 April 2013 - 09:33 PM

Suter and Parise were always going to play together in Minnesota.  Parise wanted to go home, and Suter wanted to go with Parise.  There's nothing Holland could've done about that.  He can't force Parise and Suter to want to play in Detroit all of a sudden.  They became joined at the hip and hitched their wagon to the Wild, for better or worse.


That being said, the team failed to acquire anything of substance after they knew they wouldn't be getting Suter and Parise.  It was a domino effect.  All the "plan-B" players were already gone by the time Detroit knew they lost out on both players.


Brunner has been a nice surprise, and Tootoo has been doing his job admirably.  The rest of Holland's band-aid box...not so much.

#2382102 4/7 GDT : Blues 1 at Red Wings 0

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 07 April 2013 - 05:39 PM

The only kinds of teams who are on the downslope that don't eventually come back are those that have incompetent management who waste draft picks and make bad trades that hurt the long-term viability of the team.  While I do not agree with everything Ken Holland has done, he is far from incompetent.  And no, we do not need to ask him to retire or fire him.  That's absurd.  Installing a new regime now would only set the rebuilding process back.


This is what happens when your roster turns over and you haven't had a good draft pick for 21 years.  No team can perpetuate that kind of success.  It just doesn't work that way.  This is what a rebuilding team looks like, and we had better get used to it.

#2380739 Dan Dekeyser Watch

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 05 April 2013 - 12:08 PM

I'm excited to see what DeKeyser can do.  It's high-time he got some playing time.

#2380737 Nyquist thoughts

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 05 April 2013 - 12:05 PM

No need to send anyone down. After the trade deadline there is no roster limit

Very true, missed that.  That makes things a lot easier.

#2379073 Official NHL Trade Deadline thread

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 02 April 2013 - 11:26 PM

all of the above and are motto is HEY!.............we like our team :ok:

Oh yes...everything's just hunky-dory!  Hey, let's bring Derek Meech back!

#2379069 An interesting point about our apparent deadline strategy

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 02 April 2013 - 11:18 PM

Do you even watch the games? When does he work to get a goal? Notice he only score when it falls into his lap. Z and dats have to set him up its then only way he gets his points.

Not to mention that's the ONLY thing he does. He doesn't contribute in any other way shape or form.

I understand the argument that people have that support him I really do. And yea you can make a case saying he is worth it right now maybe even next year. But do you really think he will be three years from now or longer?

If he actually contributed in others ways...hitting, backcheck/defense etc etc he could be what bertuzzi use to be without a doubt. He just doesn't have the heart nor the balls to do. Ive never seen a more scared heartless person in my life. And the goals and assist he does get have very little to do with anything with him.

He's a product of the centers he's played with.  He's been spoiled.

#2379060 Official NHL Trade Deadline thread

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 02 April 2013 - 11:11 PM

Who gets better than us tomorrow?  San Jose?  Edmonton?  St. Louis?  Who are we going to be looking up at in two weeks' time?

#2379027 Official NHL Trade Deadline thread

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 02 April 2013 - 10:41 PM

If you all think getting Helm back isn't a major addition to the team, you're dead wrong. Who cares if he doesn't make a move!!!!

We do.  Helm's not coming back.  Accept it.  No one has any clue what in the blue f*ck is wrong with him.  Every time he gets close, he has a setback.  We can't count on health.  That's called desperation.

I forgot helm was a 40 goal score who got GWG every night and dominated the league.........1 guy isnt going to do anything and his not looking good to return soon

He should try getting to 17 before he gets to 40...

#2379010 Official NHL Trade Deadline thread

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 02 April 2013 - 10:29 PM

But guys...can we really be surprised?  Ken "Status Quo" Holland has been doing this for years.  We have definite needs and money to spend and he sits on his hands.


Management gave up after Suter and Parise went elsewhere.  I didn't want to believe it, but that's what happened.  They threw in the towel.  Kenny said it himself.  He knew this team might not make the playoffs.  That's a lack of confidence.


Babcock begged Lidstrom to come back during training camp.  BEGGED.  That's just embarassing.


And you know what?  It didn't have to be this way.  Instead of bringing the youth up and going after some players NOT named Ryan Suter and Zach Parise, he goes out and signs useless Band-Aids and essentially plays dice with the season.  They knew it was going to be a "transitional/rebuilding year" long before the season started.


Well you know what?  I'm not buying it.  That's just a fancy way of saying "lost season".

#2378951 Official NHL Trade Deadline thread

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 02 April 2013 - 08:08 PM

What you have to understand is the price of players is going up.  The cap space will eventually start going up quick, because the fact of the matter is that hockey players have always been under paid.  That being said, the real question is that do we need a second line center.  Well, that comes down to do we think that Datsyuk will be here another 5 years?  If we think Filp can play as a second line center, than 5 mil is not an unreasonable price.  Think about who else makes around 5mil... Havlat, Kesler, Ribeiro, Doan.... and honestly I think Filp is just as valuable than any of those guys

I'm sorry, but Flip is nothing compared to Doan and Kesler. You're talking about heart-and-soul guys who play physical at both ends of the ice, skate hard, and bury their chances when they get them. Filpulla's just here to collect a paycheck. He disappears and certainly isn't worth 5 mil a season. I doubt he's worth 4.

#2378947 An interesting point about our apparent deadline strategy

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 02 April 2013 - 08:05 PM

It makes no sense that Franzen gets the criticism he does. He isn't perfect, but he's a good deal for what he's paid.

He has no heart. He floats through games and is maddeningly inconsistent. He plays soft and acts like a man half his size. There's so much he could be with his size and skill...but just isn't. And at this point, never will be.

#2378815 An interesting point about our apparent deadline strategy

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 02 April 2013 - 04:07 PM

Cleary, Bertuzzi can only be considered bad deals if you look at it with a hindsight perspective (both have factored in well to our team prior to their current deals); Sammy and Colaiacovo are bad deals only due to their long injury time (they've played less than 10 games between them if I'm not mistaken); and Gustavsson has played perfectly fine as far as being a backup goalie goes, he's had bad games but I blame lapses from the team as a whole rather than him as an individual. I don't see how we are not going to the playoffs with the team we have... we currently sit 7th and 3 points out of 4th, 4 points ahead of 9th. We can go up or down depending on how the players play, even with this team as is. 


Our "prospects" made up a good chunk of our team if you didn't notice. Andersson has been great in his role, Tatar scored a few on a team that severely lacks in offense, Emmerton has done fine, Nyquist needs size but he's fine; Lashoff and Smith are a huge part of the reason we aren't bottom dwellers. Sure they're not superstars ala Zetterberg and Datsyuk, but I am not so sure they were ever expected to be the next "Euro Twins" 


Basically, we don't stand a chance at winning a cup if we don't add to our team, but there is absolutely no reason in the world why we should trade away our future and just delay a rebuilding phase another year, maybe even making it worse in the process. I doubt Holland will be able to make anything big happen tomorrow, but that doesn't mean we won't be making the playoffs. 



Everyone around us in the standings, with the possible exception of St. Louis, has started to heat up and stands to add.  We are staying the same with everyone around us getting better.  We were high enough in the standings last year that we could stand the type of hideous collapse we had.


Simply put, that's a recipe for missing the playoffs.


Smith has been either ineffective or terrible in his own zone.  He has supremely disappointed me.  A guy with his talent SHOULD NOT be as invisible as he is on a nightly basis.


You don't have to trade away your future.  One prospect and a draft pick IS NOT the future.  If that's the case, the farm system is EXTREMELY shallow.

#2378809 An interesting point about our apparent deadline strategy

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 02 April 2013 - 04:02 PM

I bet they do something, probably won't be a huge move, but they WILL do something 

Technically, they already did something.  They traded Huskins to the Flyers for a draft pick we might not even get.

#2378807 An interesting point about our apparent deadline strategy

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 02 April 2013 - 04:02 PM

Is there any good way to go about this? How close are the Wings right now to being contenders? If they do make a big splash at the deadline, is it going to be big enough for them to have a chance against Chicago, Pittsburgh or Boston in the playoffs? I love the excitement of a trade as much as the next person, but if there is nothing out there that is going to take you to the next level then why force something just to do so? This is a deep draft coming up, so no one is going to want to part with picks either. The Wings do have a bunch of bad contracts on their hands right now, so why would anyone want to take them on? No one wants to give up any decent prospects to get anything and if they do, especially for a rental, it's going to be meltdown city on here. There is no winning here. I'm not in love with the 2012 offseason, but Holland tried... bringing Sammy back was absolutely unnecessary and the Coca sign was high risk/low reward and that's what it ended up being, and Monster has been just bad... but Brunner and Tootoo have both been great for the Wings.


Everyone is on Bert and Sammy's asses, but why is everyone okay with Helm constantly being injured? He's not even the age of these guys. Maybe they should try to move Helm.


I'm not trying to be a contrarian here, but people complain just to complain. I don't think there is enough the Wings can do to become legit contenders, so if they can't find a deal... let them go into the offseason and see when they can do there. It's a short season, few teams are out of it at this point so it's not like everyone is going to be shopping everyone like they would in a full season.


My hopes are that the Wings make it to the playoffs for a 22nd straight year and give me extra Wings hockey to watch into hopefully the second round.

A team that is a combined 4-1 against Anaheim and Vancouver isn't a contender?  A team that has beaten L.A., Minnesota, San Jose, and St. Louis isn't a contender?  A team that has stayed in the playoffs virtually all season without most of their regular lineup isn't a contender?  A team that has an improving defense and solid goaltending isn't a contender? A team with Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg in the top-6 isn't a contender?


You see where I'm going.  And no.  People don't complain just to complain.  They complain because when they see s***, they point it out.


There ARE players available.  Drew Stafford could help.  Fleischmann, Pominville and Gaborik could all help.


The playoffs are a guaranteed bust even if we make it.  And with what's happened lately, I see us crashing and burning FAR outside the playoff bubble.