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#2378798 Official NHL Trade Deadline thread

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 02 April 2013 - 03:55 PM

i would not consider wings cup contenders without tradeS


I think they will be luck to make the playoffs with no moves

They won't make the playoffs without any moves.  Edmonton and Columbus are looking to add and are playing great right now.  San Jose has won 5 in a row.  St. Louis just beat Minnesota to snap a skid.  Everyone below us is getting better while we're staying the same.  This is going to be on helluva collapse.  Bank on that.

#2378782 Official NHL Trade Deadline thread

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 02 April 2013 - 03:42 PM

oh... well if it's on twitter...

And Waddell.  And Malik.  And Khan.  And Custance is the Twitter source.  Mind you, I just named off the Trifecta of Pessimism.

#2378771 An interesting point about our apparent deadline strategy

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 02 April 2013 - 03:30 PM

If anyone here believes Twitter, Dave Waddell and George Malik, do yourself a favor and sleep through the rest of today and all of Wednesday.


I saw a very interesting comment on one of Malik's blog posts today.  Not only that, but I totally agree with it.


From PaulInMiamiBeach:

I’m so sick of this “you can’t fix it all at once, so don’t fix any of it at all” attitude.  That is a recipe for failure.


He hit it right on the head for me.


Not only that, but I believe it was kipwinger who shared pretty much the same sentiment.  Doing nothing makes us just as worse as making a bad deal does.  This team is full of bad deals.  Cleary, Bertuzzi, Sammuelsson, Quincey, Colaiacovo, Gustavsson, the list goes on.  If we emerge from this trade deadline the same team, this team is going nowhere.  Not even to the playoffs.  Nowhere.  But, we already knew that, didn't we?


This season wasn't always a "rebuilding/transitional" year.  Off the topic, but transitioning to what?  Mediocrity?  Becoming an awful team for several decades?  What's the end result?  It honestly frightens me to think about it.  Anyways, this season only became such when the team failed to do much of anything in free agency.  At that point, management cut off their own collective manhood, threw their hands in the air, and gave up.  At least, that's the way I see it.


Also, I'd like to address some ridiculous and false optimism.  People cite the lowering of the cap next season and say how many great players will be available because of cap-compliance buyouts.


Sorry, but that's the biggest crock on Earth.


Do people really think that quality players will be bought out?


That's hilarious.  No one is going to buy out key pieces, people.  Certainly not a top-6 scoring forward who can consistently score goals.  That's the reality of it.  People think all these players are going to fall right into our lap.


Not only that, but wasn't that the mantra last summer?  See how that turned out.


So, by all means Kenny, do nothing.  I just hope your prepared for another firestorm from everyone around you afterwards.  I would've thought you'd be sick of that already.


Our prospects aren't nearly as good as everyone seems to think.  I've seen Tatar and Nyquist...and I'm not impressed.  They've fallen victim to scouting.  Teams know them, and I'd say that's about it for them.  Our farm system is almost entirely boom-or-bust.  See the dramatic peaks and valleys of a lot of their past performances.  Jarnkrok and Pulkinnen, especially.


So, I guess tomorrow's a waste of time.  Great.  It'll be fun watching this team spiral out of control and crash in a flaming heap outside the playoff window.

#2378450 Official NHL Trade Deadline thread

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 02 April 2013 - 01:47 AM

Sabres asked Pominville to provide a list of 8 teams he would refuse to play for http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=419629


Sadly nothing about Miller so far.

Miller's vastly overrated.  No thanks.

#2378396 Official NHL Trade Deadline thread

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 01 April 2013 - 10:27 PM

A little early, but good to have this thread.  I look forward to the trade deadline, as always.  Even if we don't do anything, always fun to be able to sit back and watch the fireworks.

#2376007 Wings Make Offer to Danny D!

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 29 March 2013 - 01:42 PM

This has gone on too long to have much hope anymore.  There's going to be an undeserved, senseless nuclear meltdown if he doesn't sign here.

#2375927 Wings Make Offer to Danny D!

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 29 March 2013 - 12:10 PM

DeKeyser Watch is slowly murdering my job security.

#2375919 Wings Make Offer to Danny D!

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 29 March 2013 - 11:58 AM

FYI, "The Rumor Wire" on twitter has only 90something followers, so take his/her updates with a grain of salt.

This whole thing is going exactly like the Suter sweepstakes, only it was Hockeyinsiderr, not TheRumorWire.

#2375038 Ray Shero making the NHL his *****

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 28 March 2013 - 10:48 AM

Shero saw what was available and went for it. He's a GM who actually has a sack and isn't afraid to make some moves to improve the roster. The Pens still have Beau Bennett and most of their better prospects on defense.

The Pens got tougher to play against across the board. Murray's a big, physical, shot-blocking defensive defenseman. Pair him with Orpik and they can shut people down. Morrow and Iginla are both power forwards who are not afraid to throw the body around.

This team got a lot better. Three real good players left teams in the West we might have to beat to get into the playoffs. I like these moves for both us and them.

Crucify me for saying this if you wish. Call me crazy and a traitor. But if Kenny retired today...give Shero a blank check and the key to the city.

#2374316 I hate to admit this but....

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 26 March 2013 - 11:39 AM

Signing DeKeyser and giving him a shot is better than doing nothing and letting him go to another team. Especially with the Lightning in on him, who we'll be playing with next year and already signed Andrej Sustr.

#2369080 Gustav Nyquist

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 14 March 2013 - 04:42 PM

I've been pretty hard on Nyquist in my time. I've always vented about how unimpressed by him I am after just about every game.

But after last night, I think I've changed my tune.

Abdelkader, despite Nyquist's call up, was still on Pav's line for most of the night.

Read the above sentence again.

Now finish vomitting.

This isn't Nyquist's fault. This falls squarely on Babcock.

His team can't score. In no universe of hockey is that a good thing. His second line is in shambles. So instead of putting a young player with good skill on Datsyuk's wing and seeing where that goes, he leaves Abdelkader there.

Nonetheless, Nyquist had an assist and a great shot on goal that resulted in a scoring chance. He produced more than Abdelkader did, no matter how simple that is.

I wonder if we'll ever get our offense back. We can't continue to be so badly mismanaged. Datsyuk is being wasted.

At least Cleary got demoted...

#2369055 Dustin Byfuglien

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 14 March 2013 - 03:44 PM

Neither HockeyInsiderr or Eklund know what they're talking about. They just throw crap at the walls and hope it sticks. Darren Dreger and Bob McKenzie are the guys to go to for rumors.

#2365719 Trade deadline has ended before it even begins

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 06 March 2013 - 12:51 PM

I guess that Franzen, Bert, Sammy, Carlo, Helm... are going to be our additions at the deadline... at the same time, Franzen is our deadline addition for the past 4 years. Kenny just can't make a trade.

That's the frustrating part.  He can, but just won't.  There are deals to be had for guys who can help this team.  Holland just won't do them.  He's too afraid to make a deal because of injury.  He's giving up on the deadline before it even begins.  I'm sick and tired of seeing us stand by and do nothing while everyone around is either already better or gets better.




I, for one, would like to hear you spout off.  What trades do you think are doable and why exactly would you do them?

OK then, you asked for it :P


Ken Holland has become a broken record.  Every year, it's the same old line of BS when the deadline rolls around.  He sits on his cap space and gives an excuse for doing nothing long before the deadline even gets here.


This just isn't wise with this team.  When you have as many injuries as we've had, you make deals to fill the holes.  We haven't, and because of that, this team has hovered around .500 and struggled mightily with inconsistency.  We have more dead weight on the roster than we know what to do with.


Unfortunately, because of having so much dead weight (and signing more dead weight in the offseason i.e. Samuelsson and Colaiacovo), trading will be tough.  We have depth in the minors and have many attractive prospects.  Riley Sheahan and Landon Ferraro come to mind.  Both project to be NHL-caliber forwards and could be very attractive trade pieces.  Sheahan's recent run-in with the law may make him hard to deal, though.  With guys like Jarnkrok, Pulkinnen, Tatar, Andersson, and Nyquist, these two are valuable, but expendable.  They can also be easily replaced in this year's draft.  Draft picks will probably have to be added to deals involving them.


If needed, we have plenty of roster players who we could add in.  Get rid of Clearly.  Old, slow, and doesn't provide much at either end anymore.  I wouldn't mind dealing Ericsson.  He's way too soft and makes a ton of mistakes.  Huskins can easily fill his spot while making far fewer mistakes.  Samuelsson and Colaiacovo could probably be dealt.  Both are made of glass and won't provide very much even when healthy.  I'd rather keep good checkers/PK'ers like Miller, Emmerton and Eaves.  Helm, Tatar and Andersson are out of the question.


Ian White is the interesting trump card in all this.  He could be very valuable to a team like Carolina or St. Louis, who are seeking upgrades on defense and have forwards to deal.  The fact is, the D-corps has played much better since he's been a scratch.  I love White, don't get me wrong, but his recent comments have irked me.  If a need can be filled, send him on his way.


Our D-corps has settled in and their play has vastly improved.  For me, that need has somewhat dissipated.  The focus should be on acquiring a proven sniper to play in the top-6.  I'm not asking for a 40-goal superstar, just someone who can twitch the twine regularly.  Franzen can't do that.  Let's not even go there.  Filpulla has regressed badly.  Bertuzzi is just too old to count on.  Zetterberg only has 6 on the season.


I would look at guys like these:


Marian Gaborik - Slight rumblings that he's available.  He has a massive cap hit and would be very costly.  However, Glen Sather never shies away from a deal and the Rangers need depth at forward.  Rick Nash makes Gabby expendable.  He would be unreal playing in our top-6.  He would be unreal playing in anyone's top-6


Peter Mueller - Has a lot of skill and is still developing at 24.  Could be low-risk/high-reward type of deal.  Can score and was a 20-goal guy his rookie season.


Dany Heatley - I know, I know.  He's not the elite player he used to be.  But, put him with Datsyuk, and I guarantee his goal totals come back up.  This guy can still fill the net.  Is he what he was in Atlanta and Ottawa?  No.  But he can still put the biscuit in the basket.  It's as simple as that.


Patrik Berglund - Gets overlooked with the precense of T.J. Oshie and Alex Steen, but is nonetheless very skilled and a proven goal-scorer.  25+ is the floor with his skill level.  Again, if played with Datsyuk, could score 30+.


David Perron - If he can stay healthy, has 30-goal skill and work ethic without a great center.  Power-forward who plays physical and gives a great effort.  Has proven his consistency.


Matt D'Agostini - Injuries are a concern, but he has shown his ability to score when healthy.  Had 21 goals in his only full season.  If the concussion is behind him and he's ready to produce, Datsyuk could make him into a very valuable forward.


Mike Ribeiro - Crafty forward with a proven nose for the net.  Has been around winning teams and would know his role well.


Ryane Clowe - Has proven his goal-scoring ability in the past.  He's basically another Abdelkader with a lot more offensive skill.  Struggles this season would probably steer Holland away.


Jarome Iginla - Will have big competition from Pittsburgh, Boston, Buffalo and Philadelphia, but would be a good pickup.  Obviously can score and would fit in well.


Brendan Morrow - A little bit of a stretch, but is a gritty power-forward who can score goals.  Good leadership qualities.  Age is still a concern, only consider if a rental.


Tuomo Ruutu - Jim Rutherford probably won't want to move him, but he's relatively young and has good skill and physicality.  We tried and failed last year.


Drew Stafford - Really a last resort, but can also score goals.  Only consider if all else fails.  He's injury-prone and proven to be a little inconsistent.

#2365069 Trade deadline has ended before it even begins

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 05 March 2013 - 03:50 PM



Well, I guess that's the end of that.  I could spout off for about 5 pages on this, but I won't I'd rather let you guys take over from here.


Suffice it to say, this is one of the only 5 sentences Holland seems capable of saying lately.  Anyone who "likes our team" and thinks that "getting healthy players back will be like making trades and will be our deadline additions" is living in La-La Land.


This team is far from good enough to even consider such ridiculous inactivity.

#2363612 For once, praising Holland's refusal to make a trade

Posted by DetroitRedWings1993 on 03 March 2013 - 11:12 AM

As Bruce Garrioch recently reported via www.mynhltraderumors.com, Holland tried to trade for Ryan O'Reilly. Obviously, that didn't work.

But you know what? That may be the best move Holland's made in a while.

The asking price was a proven roster player, a top prospect and a first-round draft pick.

That's absolutely ridiculous.

O'Reilly has only been in the league a few years and has ONE 55-point season. I wouldn't pay Anaheim those prices for Corey Perry. That price is laughable and Holland showed he's still one of the smartest GM's in sports by saying "no, thanks".

I applaude him for sticking to his guns and getting out of what could've been a horrible trade. Trade a roster piece and what could be a future star, plus a first-rounder, for one promising center? Essentially, you'd be trading three roster-caliber players for one. That's just plain stupid.

Ken Holland, I haven't been very kind to you lately. But this time...darn good work, sir.