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#2529373 Dont Jump Yet...

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 02 July 2014 - 10:12 AM

While you've probably opened another can of worms within which people can keep the fire Holland trend going, I have to say, I couldn't agree with you more. As one of the few people around here who seem to actually be optimistic about this coming season, it's refreshing to see other with a similar opinion.




#2529310 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by AtomicPunk on 02 July 2014 - 07:38 AM

Is it July 1 or April 1? Please tell me this is a joke.




#2509731 Round 1 Line Combinations

Posted by LAWings on 15 April 2014 - 12:06 AM

We saw how well the kids played with Dats and Z out, so why not creat havoc for the B's and put Dats on the 3rd line?

 

Nyquist - Legwand - Franzen

Tatar - Sheahan - Jurco

Helm - Datsyuk - Alfredsson

Miller - Glendenning - Abdelkader

 

It may look strange, but how do you counter that?




#2428200 Brunner Contract Talks

Posted by The Axe on 06 July 2013 - 06:11 PM

I already got it some people hate him no need to repeat 10 x a day


I dont hate him. I like him. For 2.5 mil max.


#2428004 Brunner Contract Talks

Posted by whitey on 06 July 2013 - 11:42 AM

Losing Brunner will amount to almost nothing when this season gets underway - because what exactly are we losing?

With the depth at forward this year, Brunner would be in the same position he ended last season, playing RW on our 3rd line. If you remember, Brunner scored his first 10 goals playing with Zetterberg in the first 19 games of the season getting close to first line minutes. When the rest of the league started to get their legs back and the quality of play increased, he scored only 2 goals in the remaining 25 games from the third line. The playoffs showed a better GPG rate, but 5 goals in 14 games isn't worth gambling on a 3 year contract when he hasn't played an 82 game season yet.

So, back to the original question which was what are we losing? Considering that Tomas Tatar will be taking his spot, an equally fast but better two-way winger, the answer is almost nothing. I understand depth, but there is no room in the top 6 for Brunner and certainly nowhere on the checking line. You could argue that with Tatars cheaper contract, the fact he is 5 years younger and plays with Grit, this is probably an upgrade. Oh, and not to mention Tatar also proved to be a pretty good playoff scorer last year in the Calder Cup.

 

 

Well said




#2426197 The Overreaction Thread

Posted by Playmaker on 04 July 2013 - 09:15 PM

Can we get a fan letter in to Mr Illitch to voice our displeasure with Holland? I think most people would just be happy with a GM that avoids dead weight players and lets the kids fill spots as they earn it. Im not saying holland should be spending to the cap with the flavor of the month - i just want him to stop pursuing old vets instead of letting the kids play. Why draft them then?

As Mr. Ilitch is Ken Holland's boss, I would guess the decisions he makes are with the approval of Mr. I or whoever is making the decisions for him at this point. 

 

Stan Bowman also had the good fortune of inheriting a team that had back to back top 3 picks in the draft, in which they were able to get Kane and Toews.  I would imagine if the Wings missed the playoffs for a few seasons and Holland was able to get picks like that, the Wings might look a little different right now. 

 

I see why this is called the overreaction thread.  We're barely into July and the Wings are already out of it.  LOL




#2425401 The Overreaction Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 03 July 2013 - 12:26 PM

3. The point is simply that its better to pay Samuelsson to sit in the press box if we aren't going to spend the $10+ Million on THIS free agent class. Much like last year, we started and finished the season with a ton of cap space, so why waste our last buyout on a guy with one year left on his contract when Johan Franzen still has 7 left on his. Foolish to not see how he plays for one more season.

4. Cleary should not get a 3 year contract, but unfortunately I can see why he might. He was our third best player in the playoffs. He finished second in points, and played like a warrior most games. Moving to the eastern conference, he remains one of our ONLY players that plays the style of game you need to to get from most of your roster to battle in the east. Still more polished then ABBY and his point totals reflect that...

5. Next summer, while i know players will still be resigned the free agent class is still going to be MUCH better than this years, but the biggest wildcard will be the compliance buyouts. Next year, the window closes on any chance of cap relief for the remainder of this CBA. Names like Kovalchuk, Parise, Richards, Hossa, are already being talked about.

3. I guess that's a point of disagreement. I don't see anyone beyond Sammy who should be bought out. Do I think Mule is going to be effective in the last years of his contract? Probably not. I think we'd be a worse team in 2014-15 without him, though. Can you say the same about Samuelsson next year? Samuelsson being on the team is a hindrance to the future of this hockey club.

4. I see where you're coming from with Cleary, and I've loved every thing the guy's brought during his time here... but I feel like that time is done. He's almost completely ineffective during the year. He's a playoff warrior, and that counts for a ton, but I'm not sure it's at the expense of healthier bodies. The physicality of the East is wildly overrated. Los Angeles, St. Louis, San Jose... those teams aren't physical? I would much rather see guys like Nyquist and Tatar given a fair shake.

5. I do see a much higher quality in the class of players next year. I just think a good portion of those guys will be tied up. The cap will bump up some, too... so maybe teams hang onto guys unless they're truly going to liabilities going forward. And I must sound like a prospect slappy here, but guys like Ferraro, Sheahan and Jurco are going to be knocking on the door soon. Depending on how they fare next year, Jarnkrok and Pulkkinen too, perhaps. Hadn't even heard of Parise's name in buyout discussions, but he would be an interesting one for sure. He's a game breaker worth spending the cash on.

 




#2425330 The Overreaction Thread

Posted by gcom007 on 03 July 2013 - 10:21 AM

I don't think anyone's arguing (well, at least...) that Holland wasn't a great GM at one point. What a lot of people are noting is that as we have moved far enough into the new era where we really started feeling the weight of the cap, Holland's struggled to show that he can maneuver well in free agency or with other teams via trade. That is a real problem, right now. It doesn't matter that once upon a time he did this or that; "this or that" from "way back when" have no bearing on "hear and now." Hear and now, he can't figure out how to sign or trade for difference makers, and he's tried plenty.

 

Holland's let people slip away that he shouldn't. He continues to cling to players he shouldn't. He overpays for mid-level talent based largely it seems on familiarity. He tries to underpay for high-level talent, which ultimately has failed every time. And when he fails, he's the king of revisionists, make no mistake. That guy finds a way to reshape everything that happened as part of some master plan, and it must be working, because there's plenty of non-critical thinkers who keep falling for it and praising Holland because of what he did in another era now long past us.

 

Oh, I guess it's easy forgetting in an instant that Holland was desperate to throw $9 million plus at both Suter and Parise last summer.

 

Oh, that's right, I remember now, Holland is so smart for not overpaying for free agents!

 

Now that we didn't sign them...

 

"We like our team."

 

I'm not trying to take anything away from what Holland has done, but if he was as great of a GM as people want to paint him to be in this cap era, he would not be struggling so much in the free agency and trade markets. You can say all you want about what he did in the past, but no one willing to be objective can say that Holland has shown that he has a strong handle, let alone any handle, on helping this team via trade or free agency lately. And like it or not (for the sake of some of ever-shifting argument), trade and free agency are still very important parts of this game.




#2425233 The Overreaction Thread

Posted by amato on 03 July 2013 - 05:12 AM

If Kenny doesn't pry stammer out of Tampa then what good is he as GM?!


#2418278 Blessing in disguise?

Posted by Shaman on 06 June 2013 - 11:18 PM

Very nicely put except for I am hoping we give our top notch euro scouting staff a break and start working our top notch Canadian scouting staff.... we need to get tougher

Canadian youth hockey players tend to be like Texas youth football players, hyped for years, and rarely any surprises come draft time. There is a reason why there are more Europeans that are draft steals than there are Canadians.




#2369176 The REAL problem with Detroit

Posted by WINGS & FLOW on 14 March 2013 - 10:54 PM

You hit the nail on the head with that blog sir!  D has been the major problem this year and needs to be addressed.  We can all see that break out passes into the offensive zone are nonexistence.  Even when we have possession of the puck down low no one wants to cycle it back to the point due to lack of confidence in the D's ability. 

 

Cant keep saying let all the vets go, and count on the kids from GR to solve all the problems.  Getting a top D-man is a start in the right direction, and he wont come cheap. 

 

As for Babs.....Im pritty sure hes a competent coach.  For the people that dont agree......who could you replace him with?




#2369168 The REAL problem with Detroit

Posted by Red Crazy on 14 March 2013 - 10:01 PM

Gary Lawless reported tonight that the Wings have shown interest in Buff. I also agree with the OP.