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#2387685 The Race for Eight: Blue Jackets, Stars, Wings

Posted by Vladifan on 22 April 2013 - 11:29 AM

So I realize it's all doom and gloom around here right now. But, I think we should keep the faith. Here is how the schedule plays out for the Stars, Wings, and Jackets.


Columbus Blue Jackets: 


4/18 @ LA

4/21 @ San Jose

4/25 @ Dallas

4/27 Nashville


So yes, they are ahead of us right now, but they have less games remaining and play on the road three times. The game against Dallas will be HUGE. Hopefully LA and San Jose do us a favor. With how well they are playing, I could see them taking six out of eight. Hopefully they drop SJ and LA and Nashville can beat them or hold them to a point. All bets are off against Dallas. 


Dallas Stars:


4/18 @ Vancouver

4/19 @ St. Louis

4/21 @ Los Angeles

4/23 @ San Jose

4/25 Columbus

4/27 Detroit 


Three games on the road in a row then finishing off the season with Columbus and Detroit. I expect them to lose AT LEAST two (and that's being generous) and hopefully not getting a three point game out of Columbus. I honestly don't think they will get more than five points from their remaining six games. With Dallas having the ROW advantage, lets hope they beat Columbus.


Detroit Red Wings:


4/20 @ Vancouver

4/22 Phoenix

4/24 Los Angeles

4/25 Nashville

4/27 @ Dallas 


Well. Two points out. Five games remaining. Luckily we play three at home. We can get six out of ten points (beating Phoenix, Nashville, and Dallas). So the focus should be to try taking two of the games to overtime. 




So there's the breakdown. Columbus is up two points with a game in hand, but Detroit has the advantage in ROW. In a dream scenario. We need to Put ourselves in a position where it is us vs Columbus for the eight spot. We DO NOT want to have to play in Dallas with the playoffs online. So, if Columbus can get it done against them, then ideally, we would play them the next night when they are already knocked out of the playoffs and we would have already secured (probably level on points with CBJ but ahead on ROW) or we would need a point or win to get in against a deflated team.


I still think we should keep the faith, but I'm not saying we are getting in. 

Thanks for putting this together, bardownginos .  I also think the Wings have a good chance to pull it off.  There's NO reason why they can't do it.  Even without Tatar in the line up.   :glare:

#2386405 Tatar frustrated; says he will only play in NHL when contract done

Posted by Tr!PoD#19 on 18 April 2013 - 11:27 AM

Watching Dan Cleary play instead of him makes me sick to my stomach, every game.

#2386254 4/17 GDT: Red Wings 2 @ Flames 3

Posted by 10 Minute Misconduct on 17 April 2013 - 11:57 PM

Kipper stole the game, plain and simple.  Not much more to say, Wings played well IMO.  People who think they didn't "show up" are out to lunch.

#2386078 4/17 GDT: Red Wings 2 @ Flames 3

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 17 April 2013 - 10:58 PM

So where are the guys who think Jimmy Howard is an elite goaltender at? 


He needs to win a playoff series against a non-Bryzgalov team before I can call him that. 

#2384684 GDT 4/15: Red Wings 3 @ Predators 0

Posted by datterberg1340 on 14 April 2013 - 07:07 PM

I will find it very difficult to watch next season if Dan Cleary is still on this team

#2374771 Wings Make Offer to Danny D!

Posted by gcom007 on 27 March 2013 - 09:20 PM

The NHL instituted a salary cap in 2005.  The Wings have made the playoffs every year, won a Stanley Cup, made it to game 7 of the Stanely Cup finals, several conference finals and we can't say Holland is a great post cap GM?  Who would be then?


Since we were really feeling the cap when we were still paying Zetterberg around $2.5 million/season? Or when we had one Stanley Cup winning goalie playing for around a million (who won us our last Cup) and another Stanley Cup winning goalie playing for $2 million and bonuses? Or when Franzen was making less than a million and actually producing? Or when Flip was doing as much as he does now for less than a million? Or when we still had Lidstrom, money be damned?


We didn't have to start putting together a real cap team until 2009-2010. We were so stocked before the cap because of Mr. I's wallet that we didn't have to rush any talent, so by the time we start using some of our prospects, we had solid NHLers who were contributing far more than one would expect from typical guys making the kind of money they were. Once Holland had to start making cap decisions and signing our younger guys to real NHL deals, he has struggled in my opinion. And again, I'm not saying he utterly and completely failed, but I don't think he was great and I absolutely don't think he put the best team on the ice that he could. Whether we make the playoffs or not, if you can look at the situation and say, "you could do better," than something isn't right.


He's had a pattern of favoring guys that we develop, whether it made the most hockey sense or not, and in multiple cases, it didn't, and it really bit us in the ass. I still think the worst off-season was the summer of 2009 when he failed to sign any of our FAs, but made sure to sign Franzen to a lifetime deal before the regular season ended. He could've signed Hossa for around a million more per year, but instead prioritized the signing of Franzen, a one-dimensional player with only a couple strong seasons to his name, and Hudler, another small, one-dimensional player who ended up leaving for Russia anyways. When you have a chance to lock up a legitimate superstar who will outwork nearly everyone on the ice every night at both ends for a $5 million cap hit or less, you don't focus on Franzen and Hudler, or hell, Samuellson for that matter, who also left.


But it ended in an interesting manner, because he picked up some solid guys on the cheap because he had no other choice when he failed to sign anyone. And oddly, I'd say this is his strength. He's pretty good at finding descent NHL level guys like Patrick Eaves for very little money, bringing them in and getting a good amount of solid hockey out of them. What's nuts is that if he had his priorities straight, he could've kept Hossa and still would've ended up signing these types of guys to fill out the team with the cap space he had left.


But he keeps going back to the same old well for a lot of the same old guys. For the love, we signed Samuellson again this last off-season! And sure, we're making the playoffs, but like I said, there's that nagging "you could do better" factor. After all, when you have a team with Dats and Z and a descent goaltender, let alone when we had Nick Lidstrom anchoring our defense, I would hope you'd be in the playoffs every year! But I didn't know we were supposed to be satisfied with that, especially when it's practically a given when you have Dats and Z and Lidstrom and descent goaltending? Sure, it's nice, and I'm not saying it's not an accomplishment, but we should be there with the guys we have. That we don't go farther with the guys we have when Holland has had the power to put a better team on the ice and hasn't is the problem.


Most every good thing that's happened to this team in the cap era is a gift from the pre-cap era. Since the cap has started to catch up with us, things haven't looked so hot. And hell, when you've got whispers around time from guys who know and blatant remarks made to the press from the coach about dissatisfaction with what Holland's been doing, especially when we've had cap space and when we have enough prospects to move guys without leveraging the future, you've got to wonder if this is more than Armchair-GM critique at some point.


Bottom line, we've had a lot of guys leave the last few years, and little has been done to address it. We've had plenty of questionable signings. We've let guys slip away. We've failed to make moves to improve the team when opportunities are out there. We utterly and completely failed to prepare for the loss of Lidstrom before we were placed into a position of desperation.


And for the love, I don't care who was or wasn't available. Bottom line is, when you know you're going to lose a guy like Lidstrom, you move mountains to make a deal to land someone who can help bridge the gap and instill confidence. You really want to try and tell me Holland couldn't have brought in a solid guy capable of serving in that #1 role before Lidstrom left? I don't care if you have to give up prospects, picks, solid roster people, or overpay. You're in an infinitely better position before you lose Lidstrom than after, when every team or player is going to be demanding all the more from you, knowing you're desperate, all while you no longer have the benefit of being able to say, "you're going to be on a pairing with one of the greatest hockey players in history until he retires." You really want to try to tell me Holland couldn't have shaken enough trees to find even another Kronwall-level guy to at least help ease the pain somewhat before Lidstrom left? Please.


We have a core in place still that allows this team to compete every night, but the core deserves better. This should be a team that's not just able to make the playoffs, but have a legitimate chance of going the distance. I expect this team to get by in the regular season these days, but I don't expect anything out of the playoffs, when nearly every other team in the playoffs the last couple years has been able to show they're capable of making a racket? Why do I think that is? We don't have another level to go to anymore. We've got a lot of tired guys who don't have nearly as much to play for anymore after winning Cups and feeling the grind a few too many times. I'd rather have young, unproven guys than some of the guys we have hanging around still, because at least they still have something to prove. That is what motivates guys to find another level for the playoffs. We were lucky enough to be able to let our guys get ripe in GR so we could pay them less when they could contribute at a high level before, but I really don't know how much longer that's going to work in the cap era. It's one thing to let vets carry you through the season, but these mid-level vets with little left to play for don't get the job done in the playoffs.


And lastly, again, some of the guys Holland's ended up bringing in the last 3-4 years haven't been bad guys at all. I'm fine with Eaves, Miller, Tootoo, and a few others here and there. But he brought those guys in when he had no other choices. He could've done the same thing and made better high-end choices before he was up against the wall only to come up dry. That's the real problem with Holland. I think he could be a great cap-era GM if he gets back to making splashes like Rafalski or Hossa and then finding cheap guys who can contribute and have something to prove. I'm glad he hasn't thrown a ton of money at a goalie as I think it's one of the dumbest investments some teams make. But all in all, the "you could do better" thing hangs over the last four years like a cloudy sky on the verge of rain.

#2374712 Wings Make Offer to Danny D!

Posted by gcom007 on 27 March 2013 - 06:03 PM

I tend to agree that those who get upset at Holland for failing to make things happen since last summer are off-base, as he did do all he could when in those situations, as I'm sure he's doing now. But it doesn't tell the whole story. What most Holland-bashers screw up on is thinking Holland dropped the ball say last summer with Parise and Suter or if DeKeyser doesn't sign here, then he obviously dropped the ball because it was an easy set up. But it's ultimately irrelevant what he does now with these guys in many ways when it's the team that's been put together over the last 4-5 years that's going to speak more to these players than what Holland says now. If Holland dropped the ball, it's been in not doing more to address player losses in years past, or failing to prepare for the loss of Lidstrom before he was up against a wall and desperate.


After all, does anyone really think this would be a question for DeKeyser if the team looked more competitive on a consistent basis? If Holland had done a better job since our last Cup win at helping this team evolve, he likely wouldn't have to do much selling at all to someone like DeKeyser.


But in any event, what happened happened, and while I haven't been a fan of many of the decisions for some time now, I can at least say that Holland is trying to do what he can since last summer to address issues. There's nothing more he can really do now, and presently, given the situation, you can't say he's not trying and doing the best he can. But he is stuck playing catchup you could say, and for that it is in many ways his own fault.


A team with Hossa instead of Franzen and a legitimate number one defensemen replacement installed before Lidstrom retired instead of some of our tradable assets over the last few years is going to be a more attractive team to anyone he's trying to sign today. He got sentimental when things were still good and we weren't feeling the full heat of the cap, and the team that emerged out of that was not the team that he could use as leverage to get guys to really want to sign here, let alone for less than market value anymore. You could say that it's just the effects of parity brought on by the cap, and that's absolutely right on many levels. But if Holland was as good of a GM in the cap era as some thought he was prior to the cap, he would've done a better job of maintaining this team's prestige when he had the opportunity 3-4 years ago to do so. That's when he truly dropped the ball; back when things were good and people weren't paying enough attention.


And yes, I know this team isn't terrible, and it's impressive that we're still in the playoff hunt with the team we have this year. That's all fine and dandy, though make no mistake, it really does help that we still have Dats and Z hanging around. But that's also the tragedy, as we still have Pavs and Z, which almost by default make this team competitive every night. And if a few more pieces were in place that could've been in place, this team wouldn't consistently still be a team that could make the playoffs, but a team that could legitimately challenge for the Cup every year. I know you don't win every year, but while you have the benefit of having Dats and Z on your team, it'd be nice to think a little more than, "we have a good chance of making the playoffs," and Hossa, a Lidstrom successor at least in title of legitimate number one defenseman, less old scraps and more youth would've been a big step in that direction. And if we had those things, we might've had a better opportunity of landing solid veteran help willing to play for less to win a Cup.


Or a better opportunity of signing a much sought-after free-agent defenseman with potential to contribute right away.


But we don't have that same leverage anymore. That didn't happen last summer, and it didn't happen while Holland was chatting with DeKeyser. That happened because over the last four years, when it was clear to anyone willing to admit it that some of our guys wouldn't play forever, and some of our newer guys weren't so proven, when the team needed to be truly evolving, nothing was done.

#2374384 Wings Make Offer to Danny D!

Posted by chances14 on 26 March 2013 - 12:54 PM

I think Dekeyser is a good player and all, but I feel like this forum is sort of overrating him a bit. Maybe it's just me?

people always overrate these high profile prospects