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In Topic: At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

05 May 2015 - 04:44 PM


But he seemed ill prepared for what was obviously going to be the biggest transition the team faced under his tenure.  Uncharacteristic is the word that keeps coming to mind because he's usually three moves ahead of everyone else.


When Yzerman left he was a third liner and we had Datsyuk and Zetterberg, whereas Lidstrom was still our #1 d-man.  Holland seemed surprisingly unprepared for what should have been something the franchise was planning for years in advance.


It's certainly easier written than done.  Holland has an incredibly hard job, but has done it very well for so long.  As I said above, I was just surprised how unprepared he seemed for something that was inevitable.  Lidstrom's retirement was second only to the implementation of the salary cap in terms of its impact on the team. 


I'm glad he drafted those players but it kind of supports my case.  That's way too late to expect those guys to contribute to the lineup in Lidstrom's absence, especially with defensemen.  It's almost like Holland was in as much denial as the rest of us that Lids would ever retire. 



I think it's pretty clear that Holland had no idea that Rafalski was retiring.  While everyone looks back now and thinks it was highly obvious that Lidstrom was retiring, he conceivably could have played another 3 or 4 years.   Not true to say he did nothing to plan for Stuart's departure.  He acquired Quincey in anticipation.  Say what you will about him, but at the time, he had put together some good years with the Kings and Avs and Holland had been criticized for letting him walk. 


Yeah, he could have had a Plan B if the Suter thing didn't work out, but I think he and Parise kind of threw a last minute monkey wrench into the process by selling themselves as a pair.  He also signed DeKeyser, who was coveted by Yzerman and every other NHL team.


I agree with Playmaker, that only with hindsight is Lidstrom's retiring when he did, clear. I believe if it wasn't for the lockout being clearly on the horizon, that he would of played at least another season, maybe more. And I think all of us can agree that even being a few years older he still would of been amongst the best Defensemen in the league. If he had stayed those drafted D-men that Harold mentioned above would be much further along. Some would of been on the team already and the others could of been moved for something.


I think that the strategy to over developed prospects will remain in place until Holland is not the GM. I believe he want's to leave a full cupboard to his successor (Yzerman) when he does step down. I also think and that Illitch and Co are more focused on the Tigers and happy enough with the playoff streak and an outside chance of winning at the moment.


Once Z and Dats retire and (hopefully) Yzerman takes over, I think you will see a move away from the over ripe idea. Some big moves will be made with some of our, highly valued, NHL ready, prospects to rebuild the team with the Captains vision in mind and the beginning of a new era so to speak.

In Topic: Babcock "I don't think it will be my final year here"

14 October 2014 - 12:29 PM

I come to check on the LGW forum almost daily on my lunch break/downtime while at work. Sometimes there are some good article links or an amusing game day thread, an interesting rumor or something else worthwhile. Other times it does seem like it is the same small group of people repeating themselves endlessly. I've not posted often because I don't want to be drawn (and quartered?) in and attacked in personal terms for any opinion I express. Or be dismissed because I'm not an active hockey player (in fact I can barely skate). Or because I come off as too positive or negative. etc etc. I just know that I've been a diehard Wings fan for 25+ years now, and I do like to watch the on and off ice moves that the team makes.


Ok, For the sake of staying on topic I'll throw in my two cents on Babcock. I think he is a great coach and does get all the players under him to buy into the system. Sometimes his lines are confusing.. But I think this is a double edged sword. The fact that he is constantly juggling them plays into the whole team having a good chemistry with one another. Being able to mix and match lines gives us a lot of flexibility against other teams in terms of line matchups and with all the injures that we always seem to have, being flexible is a great thing. My gut feeling is that he will resign with us after this season. I don't think it is a sure thing, but for what its worth (very little) I think he'll be back next year.


Other Random stuff: Has no one mentioned DD yet in this threads off topic rehashing of the free agency fight? Come on, credit due to Holland or not folks? (j/k, lets not refight that here..). personally think the big reason we got Alfie is that team Sweden wanted to have a real shot at the gold and we were the clear spot to go if that was what his priority was.


Edit: Spelling errors

In Topic: TANK IT! 2014-2015 Season

03 July 2014 - 03:20 PM


I believe that we should promote from within.  Everyone wants to give the kids a shot. We have legitimate defensemen in the system that could play in the NHL.  If we don't give them a chance, then someone else will.  The "big" move may very well be promoting the kids, which is a change over what we have seen in the past.  Everyone wants to see Holland play the kids and stop keeping them in the farm system to over-ripen.  Yet, when he puts the kids in a position to take a spot, people get all pissy at Holland.  I suppose its a no win situation.


^I agree with this point of view mostly. I am fine with the over-ripening strategy for the most part but, sometimes there is an exception to the rules. I am most certainly in the camp that want to see us make the playoffs. Yes, even if we fall in the 1st round. Tanking is at best a gamble with low odds of success and also just is an unclassy thing to do.


If Weiss can turn it around (yes an IF), Z's back is finally healed (yes Another IF, but I think this one is a better bet), and we move Kindl (my choice) or Lashoff  to make some room  for Ouellet or Marchenko. Then we could very well again be one of the darkhorse teams heading into the playoffs next year. It'd be nice if Smith either gets moved too or learns how to think for himself :-/ but, I'd put much lower odds of either of those things happening then the above..


Yes, I wish we could of landed that 1 year deal for Ehrhoff and cut Q out, but we didn't. s*** Happens, deal with it instead of whinning about it like some Penguins or OSU fan..