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#2512869 ECQF Game 2 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Bruins 4 - Series tied 1-1

Posted by rrasco on 21 April 2014 - 11:32 AM

On the Smith/Chara thing.  People keep saying it would have been dumb to fight Chara, which it would have been, BUT....I've done plenty of dumb things in my life to prove a point.  I'm about half Smith's size but I would have fought Chara to show them we were not backing down.  It's a statement.  Chara might be big, but that doesn't make him great at fighting.  Plenty of big guys have been dropped by smaller guys.


If Chara was so confident he would have dropped his stick a lot sooner and left it there for more than half a second.

#2511476 The Datsyuk Goal

Posted by Shinzaki on 19 April 2014 - 01:20 PM

credit to Abdelkader for charging towards the cage....forced the D to stay with him and allowed Datsyuk to have more room to the outside to use the screen

#2512844 Lines/Lineup changes for Game 3 (Home game 1)?

Posted by kipwinger on 21 April 2014 - 08:33 AM

Dats and Nyquist don't work.  Dats and Nyquist don't work.  How many times do we have to generate zero offense before we realize...Dats and Nyquist don't work?

#2508938 Babcock and Holland Talk About Stuff

Posted by Playmaker on 12 April 2014 - 06:55 AM

I'm not sure what's confusing about it.  If the season had gone "as planned", Bert, Sammy and Cleary would all have regular roles, probably in the top 6, they'd all have PP time, even though they may not have produced effectively. The Wings would still have been floundering, but we'd hear all about the veteran leadership, and these guys have been through the battles, he has faith in them, can't rush these guys from Grand Rapids etc. Guys like Tatar and Nyquist would have been eased into the lineup with a few minutes on the 4th line with Drew Miller and Patrick Eaves and a healthy scratch every other night with Babcock unsure if they were ready because they can't produce.  Sheahan and Jurco would have never gotten a sniff of the big club.


Had Babcock said last summer we're going to give the kids regular jobs and go in a different direction, we wish Dan Cleary well with Philadelphia, we thank Samuelsson for his service, but we have decided to use the compliance buyout on him and Todd Bertuzzi will be our guy off the bench, THAT would have been a bold move for the Red Wings.


The old vets were pathetic, the massive amount of injuries forced the Wings to do the call ups and the kids delivered.  So it's not really going out on a limb to say, hey these kids have jobs now and the other guys won't get theirs back when they're "healthy" (wink, wink).

#2506924 Dive of the Year

Posted by frankgrimes on 06 April 2014 - 11:42 PM

Like people mentioned Sindy can win all the trophies, stanley cups, be rich as hell and having an unbelievable beautfiful girlfriend at the end of the day he sometimes acts like a spoiled little brat if things aren't going his way. Boy would I love seeing him do that s*** against Backes or even better Colton Orr...


He is the best player in the world why do you have to use such low tactics ?!

#2506777 A plea to Holland.

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 05 April 2014 - 09:28 PM

"Fresh young blood" to replace guys like Kindl and Lashoff who are stale and old? And what if we bring someone else up and they don't solve all of the problems immediately? Forgive me if I'm not in a real hurry to bring inexperienced young players up this close to playoffs.
Also, is Kindl hate a thing now? I thought we liked him


As we've found out this year, our players in the minors have been held back too long.  If not for injuries, guys like Sheahan and Jurco would have been in GR all year, while Bertuzzi, Sammy and Cleary would be playing.  Holland doesn't have a clue.  


I wouldn't be surprised if one of our young D-men in the minors is better than some of the garbage playing on the top squad.  

#2494011 Is the Real Brendan Smith Finally Starting the Show Up?

Posted by kipwinger on 10 March 2014 - 11:09 AM


WTH are you talking about?  He's a rookie for crying out loud.  Nevermind, you must not watch hockey much. 


I think you need to temper that a bit.  I agree that he's a rookie and therefore it's premature to throw in the towel on him...but...lots of other rookies (Lashoff and Dekeyser for instance) manage to go game to game without being noticeably terrible at protecting the puck or maintaining zone coverages.  Smith is bad at both...even for a rookie. 


The guy you were responding to is wrong for thinking that Smith's deficiencies doom him to a awful career, likewise you're wrong for insinuating that his being a rookie excuses him from having to play responsible defense.

#2493781 3/9 GDT: Red Wings at Rangers

Posted by wings87 on 09 March 2014 - 01:35 PM

I can't blame one player, this f*** up has been a team effort.

#2474208 I'd like to talk about this off-season/next season

Posted by Playmaker on 18 January 2014 - 10:16 PM

None of the free agents to me are worth what they'll get...would rather wait but Holland wont

I'm curious to see what happens this off season.  While I'd love to continue the streak, I'd really like to see the Wings just go all in with the young players.  I can't say there are any of the young forwards that has really disappointed me. It's never been Holland's MO, but hoping he will finally see the light.  I agree that there just isn't any one out there that really will be a difference maker, especially with the over inflated UFA salaries.

#2474485 Blessing in disguise?

Posted by roboturner on 20 January 2014 - 11:23 AM

It just too bad it's been the "wrong" people out. Imagine these kids with a healthy Pav, Mule, Ericsson, Helm... Subtract the dead weight and we have a very dangerous lineup. (Maybe not dangerous but at least competitive)

#2474496 Blessing in disguise?

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 20 January 2014 - 12:06 PM

Like I've said before, vets like Cleary, Sammy and Bert were brought back just for scenarios like this, where their leadership and offensive contribution would be helpful to an injury riddled team.  That's the only thing I can envision Holland thinking.  


Unfortunately, those guys have done nothing to help while others have been out of the lineup.  

#2474495 Blessing in disguise?

Posted by unsaddleddonald on 20 January 2014 - 12:05 PM

Like it has been mentioned, I'll have to believe it when I see it.


I'll be at full optimism mode when Bertuzzi, Cleary, Samuelsson, Quincey, etc. are no longer on the team.


We have been scorned by the Holland/Babcock duo enough to lead us to not be sure what to expect. I thought there wasn't a chance in hell that Cleary would be back. And then the season started, and Tatar was sitting while Cleary was falling over his own feet.


They do a lot of head scratching things, so I dunno...

#2473848 Would Samuelsson ever consider retiring mid-season?

Posted by barabbas16 on 18 January 2014 - 03:47 PM

I'm referring to his faking an injury to avoid being bought out. Fans clearly don't like him because of this, Babcock never plays him and he is never complimented by Holland or Babcock in interviews. Hence my comment about him wearing out his welcome with everyone.

It was clear Sammy was a buyout target. To fans and pundits. He wasn't injured in his last game I don't think, yet he suddenly had a flareup of his pectoral injury the day before the buyout deadline.

As for being pissed, you have to read between the lines. When you see and hear and read lots of interviews of Babcock and Holland, you pick up on their speech patterns. He screwed their plans and neither of them have been as complimentary to him as they have been about, say, Cleary. It's also hard to see them being happy about having to keep him when it was his contract that prevented us from icing the team Holland and Babcock wanted. Well, that and Cleary, but again, neither has spares praise for Cleary.


You have no proof to support your claims, though.  Show me proof that Samuelsson was faking an injury to avoid being bought out.  Sure, fans don't seem to like him much because he hasn't been producing.  Yes, Babcock has sat him quite a bit - 'never plays him' is obviously false.  Never complimented by Holland or Babcock in interviews......


“I thought (Mikael) Samuelsson was good, had lots of opportunities to score last game so I’m leaving him back in,” Babcock said.  - November 14, 2013


... again, obviously false.


Show me proof that Samuelsson would have been bought out if it had not been for the injury situation.  If it's so clear, surely you can find me a quote from Holland or someone saying 'Yeah, we would have approached him about a buyout, but he said he was injured, so that didn't work out.'  I haven't seen anything like that as of yet.  All I've seen is posts from people like you full of speculation and opinion and devoid of pertinent factual information.


As far as pissed, I'm not going to 'read between the lines.'  I can't do it any more than you can.  We don't know Bobcock and Holland well enough to tell what they are thinking by their tone.  Mikael Samuelsson did not screw anyone's plans.  He signed a contract that he was offered.  No one had a gun to Ken Holland's head and made him an offer he couldn't refuse.  They offered him the contract and he took it.... same way as he did with Vancouver when Detroit wouldn't pay him what he wanted the last time. 


It isn't Samuelsson's fault that Holland put himself in his current position.  The contract is on Holland.  The NTC in the contract is on Holland.  The fact that a buyout was even potentially necessary (not that we can prove that one would have happened anyway) is on Holland.  Mikael Samuelsson didn't sign 20 forwards to the team this season.


If you must be pissed off, I think your anger is misdirected.  There's more reason to be pissed at Holland than Samuelsson.  And, if everyone is so annoyed about the Samuelsson contract, I don't understand why there aren't like 10 threads full of posts with people fuming about the Weiss contract.  Detroit is done with Samuelsson after this season.  Weiss is getting paid $2 million more per season.  Has basically the same amount of points in the same amount of games played this season - WITH over 4 more minutes of ice time per game.  AND..... there are FOUR more years left on his contract.  Not to mention that the guy he replaced is absolutely lighting it up in Tampa.

#2473593 Would Samuelsson ever consider retiring mid-season?

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 16 January 2014 - 10:43 PM

Would Holland?

#2468314 Leafs/Wings 24/7 Episode 3 Discussion (12/28)

Posted by Copenhagen848 on 29 December 2013 - 12:31 PM

I enjoyed the "Are you the bottle police" comment by Bert at the end of part two of their water bottle argument :)