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#2567175 Franzen on IR

Posted by DickieDunn on Yesterday, 02:30 PM

Nobody would take Franzen in a trade.

 

If they try to waive him to GR, he'll retire and the Wings will be screwed.

 

If they waive him and release him, the cap penalty screws them.

 

The only real option is keep him and hope he either stays healthy, or sits on IR for the duration of his contract.

 

Pulkinnen or Jurco won't be waived.  If someone gets waived, it would be Andersson.  The Wings don't let players go if they're going to be good, the guys they have lost on waivers have done virtually nothing.  Knuble was the last good player the Wings let go because they didn't have room for a young guy, and that was more because Bowman wanted vets than anything to do with Holland.




#2566228 Larkin or Mantha?

Posted by DickieDunn on 27 January 2015 - 07:48 PM

I also disagree on one of Tatar or Nyquist being redundant.  I think Tatar's play-style is kind of a cross between Jiri Hudler and Darren Helm.  Hudler in that he knows how to score goals from farther out, and they share a similar stature.  But Tatar plays with a similar mentality to Darren Helm, in that he does not shy away from greasy areas, loves holding onto the puck, and is incredibly tenacous.  Its that second aspect that I think gives Tatar real value to this team and can potentially make him a special player.  He also fits perfectly into the fast-paced forecheck system that the Wings have utilized this year, and its been paying dividends for him.
Nyquist I'm actually kind of lost with.  He definitely can score goals, but he's turning into a powerplay specialist.  Half his points this year have come on the powerplay, and more than half of his goals have come with the man advantage.  This could be a case of other teams playing him more tightly than last year when noone knew about him, and he has been struggling to adapt to the added pressure 5 on 5.  But when there's more time and space (as there is on a powerplay), he's been able to capitalize.  Hopefully with time Nyquist can become as effective 5 on 5 as he is on the powerplay, but until then, I think Tatar is more valuable to this team and has an added dimension to his game, but Nyquist has been able to make teams pay for penalties, and he's been doing it all year long.  That, by extension, has been adding value to the guys on our team who can draw the penalties in the first place.
Anyway, so how they've been performing so far this year I'd say they're filling two very different roles.I didnt say that they were clones, I said they are similar. For years, weve bemoaned the fact that we arent big enough, arent tough enough to play against, dont have any right shooters. Tatar and Nyquist are similar in the fact that they arent big, arent tough, both shoot left. Both of them have good value right now, lets move one to address others needs and become a better, more well rounded team.
I agree that Tatar is the one to keep. Id love to move Nyquist in a package for Burns or Wheeler. Imagine in two years...
Abdelkader - Zetterberg - Wheeler
Tatar - Sheahan - Jurco
Mantha - Datsyuk - Pulkkinen
Deadly.

Tatar is plenty tough. You mean they don't fight. Other people answered the rest about their playing styles.


#2565884 Greatest US-born NHLer of all time?

Posted by DickieDunn on 25 January 2015 - 10:14 AM

Chelios


#2565785 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by DickieDunn on 24 January 2015 - 11:29 AM

Holland should trade for an elite defenseman and a power forward.  But only if he can get them for guys I don't really like.  And if he doesn't get that done, I'll spend the next 8 months telling everyone how badly he failed and that a GOOD GM would have been able to do it, because 5 average to bad players equals one really good player.  Like that time I went to a BMW dealer and tried to talk him into trading me a brand new Z4 in exchange for an '02 Mountaineer, a '09 Ranger, an '87 Escort, and '86 Daytona, a transmission from an old Cutlass Supreme, an '89 Blazer, a '91 Taurus with a blown up engine, and my weird uncle's old Camaro.  That's like 7 cars plus a tranny for ONE car, super great deal.




#2565735 Petry next Oiler to be shopped - FTLOG Kenny, get it done!

Posted by DickieDunn on 23 January 2015 - 07:43 PM

Babcock praised Legwand too, right before making him a 4th line winger. Don't read much into Babcock's comments.


#2565603 Franzen on IR

Posted by DickieDunn on 22 January 2015 - 05:15 PM

I don't know that he'll come back from this one.  He very well could finish his career on IR.


 
Is that an assessment you've seen somewhere?  I haven't really heard anything about his injury since it happened, but I didn't know know it was anything that serious. 

Just bases on personal experience with concussions and what has happened with other players. I'm not saying he wontbor can't come back, but there's no guarantee.


#2565422 Petry next Oiler to be shopped - FTLOG Kenny, get it done!

Posted by DickieDunn on 21 January 2015 - 12:43 PM

I don't think that package would get anyone better than what the Wings have now.  Nastasiuk, or a similar prospect, simply doesn't have much value, neither does Kindl.  Ouellet has some, but not as much as a lot of fans think, and the pick depends on which round.  A lot of sub-par to decent pieces generally doesn't get you a higher end piece.

 

With the number of players the Wings have on the roster signed longer term or they plan on keeping, plus the 4 prospects who look like they have a good chance of being NHL players, their best bet is to trade Smith or Dekeyser, plus a D prospect, and a draft pick if they trade for a top 4 D who's going to be around for awhile.




#2564852 Petry next Oiler to be shopped - FTLOG Kenny, get it done!

Posted by DickieDunn on 20 January 2015 - 11:17 AM

For those who think that Petry being the best D in Edmonton means a damn thing, please remember that Quincey was a top pair D on an LA team that was better than the Oilers are now, and was the Avs top D the next year.  Being the best of crap doesn't mean you're not crap, it just means you're less smelly crap.




#2564850 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by DickieDunn on 20 January 2015 - 11:13 AM

Smith is still only 25, which is young by NHL defense standards.  He has talent, he's improving, he should continue to improve.  As it is, he's a decent 2nd pairing D right now, and is on the 3rd pair more because of how Babcock wants the other pairings to shake out than how he's playing.

 

If they can move Smith as part of a package to get a legit improvement, the Wings should do it.  The players like that who are available are few and far between, though.  Yandle.  Myers maybe.  Definitely not Petry.  




#2564809 Jimmy Howard.......All-Star!

Posted by DickieDunn on 19 January 2015 - 11:27 PM

 
Sorry if I misunderstood the above comment ... it seemed like you wanted Kenny to get working on a Howie deal tomorrow.  
 


no, what I was talking about was a couple years from now when Howie still has years left on his $5 mil deal

You weren't very clear on that


#2564742 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by DickieDunn on 19 January 2015 - 01:57 PM

He's not garbage.  Defensemen tend to develop slower, though, and he very well could top out as a 2nd pair D which is fine for when he was taken.  The 4 27th overall picks beore the Wings took Smith, 2 of them barely played, Tambelinni played 242 NHL games and is in Europe now, and Jeff Schultz has spent most of the last 2 years in the AHL.  The 3 drafts after Smith was taken, Carlson is the only NHL player taken at 27.




#2564704 Jimmy Howard.......All-Star!

Posted by DickieDunn on 19 January 2015 - 01:18 AM

I just looked up some goalie retirement ages. Seems most were around 37-39 years old (of course some are older, but I suspect that isn't the norm)

 

So a couple points here.

(DISLAIMER: These numbers are just guesses based on league patterns. I understand that it may not actually play out this way. The points remain the same.)

 

1. Jimmy turn 31 in a couple months. I'd say Howie has about 6,7, maybe 8 seasons left in his career. Of those years, maybe 3-4 are still good production years, with declining production after that.

     -We could keep him until he retires, which would almost certainly mean mrazek gets moved (and yeah we would probably get a good package back for him).

 

2. Mrazek turns 23 next month. That gives him maybe 14-16 years left in a normal career, with perhaps 11 give or take in the pre-decline years (yeah I made that up, pre-decline years aren't an official league stat track by professionals trackers. go ahead throw a fit about).

     -We could keep mrazek and trade Howie

        -Howie's trade value is never going to be higher than it is right now. With each passing year his value will decline exponentially

     -Peak production years are usually 25-28 or maybe 24-29.

        -I'd presonally like to have him ready to compete for cups at 24-25 with a longer prime window to compete for cups, instead of getting his feet under him          playing his first full season as a starter or worse splitting time (or even worse backing up) at 25

 

Z & Pav were both playing full seasons with the wings when they were 22-23 years old, held their own while getting used to the NHL, and then their production really picked up a few years later right on track.

 

So I guess the question is,

 

Is 6-8 more seasons of Howie (who isn't going to get any better and doesn't have the intangibles) worth losing 14-16 seasons of Mrazek?

Or should we get mrazek going soon, get a good 11-12 seasons out of him, and lose the tail end (6-8) seasons of Howie?

 

 

Mrazek will sign a RFA deal, when Howard's contract is up they'll keep whichever is the best at that point.  There is zero reason to trade either.  I don't get why you seem to think it's an either/or proposition.




#2564703 1/18 GDT : Sabres 4 at Red Wings 6 (Z w/Hat Trick)

Posted by DickieDunn on 19 January 2015 - 01:14 AM

Can we all admit that there's a huge jump from the AHL to the NHL, that scoring a ton in the AHL doesn't mean a guy will score int he NHL, and sendPulinnen back down to learn how to do more than try to fire a slapper every time he touches the puck in the offensive zone?  Kid needs to settle the @#$& down instead of trying to shoot the puck through the goalie's chest every time.




#2563911 Nashville has yet to lose 2 games in a row this season

Posted by DickieDunn on 17 January 2015 - 04:27 PM

Adams is a joke of an award. It doesn't go to the best coach, it goes to the coach of the team that exceeds expectations the most.


#2563884 "Subtle Interference"

Posted by DickieDunn on 17 January 2015 - 11:43 AM

subtleinterference