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#2684825 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 14 August 2016 - 10:07 PM

People seriously over valuing prospects, as usual


#2684800 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 14 August 2016 - 11:05 AM

I know most people don't like this idea. But with larkin being so young and already a top 6 center, and nielson locked up long term, why not trade aa in a package for a dman?

That would mean Holland actually making a trade


#2684794 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 13 August 2016 - 09:49 PM

Offensive players like Smith and Jurco are asked to play defensive games, defensive players like Helm, Abdelkader, and Dekeyser are given offensive roles. But when the offensive guys don't get a shot and don't produce it's all their fault and the coaches know better than fans.


#2684782 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 13 August 2016 - 05:05 PM

BS. No one is trying to turn Jurco into a grinder. He's played where he's played because all the spots that would be a better fit for his skills have been filled by better players. That's it.
 
He's not even expected to play any differently. He (and everyone) is expected to compete defensively no matter where they are in the lineup. He (and everyone) is expected to compete offensively. He doesn't play against top competition, and his deployment isn't especially defensive. He doesn't kill penalties. The only thing different about him playing on the 4th line is that he has less pressure to produce.
 
He's a spare part as a player, and he's used as such.

He went from being a highly skilled goal scorer to playing safe dump it in never take a chance defense only hockey. Do you really believe the coaches aren't telling him to do that?


#2684779 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 13 August 2016 - 03:17 PM

Jurco was brought in and told to completely change his game because Babcock had a hard on for someone with size. If he had been brought up and allowed to use his skills and let his defense progress as he matured he'd be a lot better off than he is now.


#2684724 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 12 August 2016 - 01:13 PM

Let's put it this way. What's your expectations for Helm and Vanek this year? If AA and Mantha played the entire season in Detroit, what would your expectations for them be? If the answers are similar, they should have gone with the kids. Your team this year would be about the same, and it would benefit them more ling term. Ditto for Bertuzzi vs. Miller or Ott.


#2684555 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 08 August 2016 - 04:40 PM

The best defense is a good offense


#2684516 AA

Posted by DickieDunn on 07 August 2016 - 10:00 AM

The best thing for the team long term is having AA and Mantha playing every night. The problem is, management is focused solely on The Streak and overloaded the team with mediocre vets.


#2684438 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 05 August 2016 - 03:26 PM

I spit out my drink when I read this. What an insult to Mantha.


What, no trade yet?

A guy who scores 25+ goals and 55 points a year is a bad thing?


#2684431 Calle Jarnkrok

Posted by DickieDunn on 04 August 2016 - 11:26 PM

But he was the top rated prospect on redwingscentral.com that means he'd be at least as good as guys like Corey Emmerton, Jakub Kindl, and Brendan Smith


#2684426 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 04 August 2016 - 07:12 PM

Disregarding the incredibly unlikely scenario where we get two good defensemen, I'd still argue that even getting one is a bad idea right now. Adding any one of Shattenkirk, Trouba, or Fowler doesn't make our defense good. Better? Yes. But still middle of the road. But any trade to do so would require one of our better offensive pieces. That would likely make an offense which could well be "good" a lot more mediocre. And personally I'd rather have a good offense and a mediocre defense than be mediocre at both. We've got to figure out a way to be good at something lest we fall into the trap of being good at nothing. All in the name of "balance" which is a fairly overrated concept to begin with.

Detroit has a ton of offensive wingers and no good D coming in. A smart GM trades a surplus for something he lacks. Trading Nyquist and another piece or two to upgrade the D is a net gain.

 
I may be in the minority, but I don't see Mantha as (or want him to be) a "net front" guy.  I think that would ruin him.  He's got the skill, shot, and speed to be a power sniper type guy in the vein of Rick Nash, James Neal, or Blake Wheeler.  Let guys like Abby bang and crash in front of the net.  That takes almost no skill.  I want Mantha to have more freedom than that. 
 
Similarly, I think that's one of the problems with Jurco.  He's big, so everybody wants him to play a power game.  But that's not his forte.  He's more comparable to Nyquist or Tatar than he is to Abby.  But they keep trying to make him be that guy and it's awkward for him because he's never played that way.  Reminds me a little of how they used to want Filppula to "shoot more" so they put him on the wing.  It was always going to be a bad fit for him.
 
Imagine if someone had repeatedly beat into Marian Hossa, or Nash, or any number of other guys, that they needed to play "heavy" and crash the net, and look for shot tips and rebounds.  They'd have been wasted.

There's some mythical idea that bug guys have to stand in front of the net like Homer did. It's Bullshtuff, they should be told to play roles that their talents allow them to excel at. Babs and Blash love pounding square pegs into round holes though. Make a grinder a scorer and a 's over a grinder, and God forbid the let an offensive defenseman play offense and give him PP time, oh no smart coaches make them kill penalties and not carry the puck past the red line.


#2684311 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 01 August 2016 - 01:51 PM

Like I said, if it takes adding Mantha in a trade in order to secure a #1 guy, do it. No to AA, no to Larkin.

If all we can get is a #2#3 guy, no to Mantha.

I roll with:

DD - Smith
Kronwall -Green
XO - Marchenko
E

Screw it.

AA is probably going to be a 20 goal 45 point player. A #2 D is lore valuable than that


#2684300 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 01 August 2016 - 12:34 AM

The rationale is evidence. Trades have been made, Holland is on record saying he doesn't want to trade the top prospects. He has made a ridiculously low number of trades compared to even the conservative teams. Two years ago he wouldn't consider trading Mantha but won't give him a legit shot at making the roster because he had to sign guys like Vanek and Helm. It's like he's stuck between when they were contenders and needed immediate help and knowing they have no real shot short term and need to plan for 5 years down the road and he's trying to do both and screwing it up both ways.


#2684265 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 30 July 2016 - 11:14 PM

No, I don't think that would even be close. "Hysterically ridiculous" is probably how I'd characterize that offer.
 
You say every team is making trades, but again there have been very few trades for real impact players, and almost all of those are including players or picks much more valuable than what you seem to think it would take. And if you're going to give other teams credit for small trades, you have to do the same for Holland.
 
Like I said, I don't think Holland has made enough small trades. But he's made it pretty clear that he's not looking to, and I can at least understand the logic. Sure, we might be a bit better if we had traded for guys like Yandle and Coburn, but if we had used up assets for that and then saw Subban go for something similar we'd be kicking ourselves. And would be enough "better" to really matter anyway? Again, I don't think the big trade is out there right now, so I'd say go for the small one, but I do understand why Holland wouldn't.
 
Is there "a" trade out there? Probably. A good enough trade? That's another thing entirely. Is there a trade for Faulk or Fowler or Trouba? I doubt it. If there was, I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't have happened already. 
 
But things change all the time. A trade that wasn't there yesterday might be there tomorrow. We just have to hope that if one is out there, the team actually wants what we're selling. 

Excuses. There are trades to be made that would improve the team. It doesn't have to be for a Subban. Anything that makes the team better will do. Considering Holland has made half the trades anyone else has the last several years than NJ and even fewer than the average team has, and the fact that the team has been slipping for the last 5 years while Holland has kept doing the same thing that doesn't work anymore, something needs to change. Either Holland needs to find a way to be more active and be willing to move roster players, or they need to make a change at GM.


#2684199 DeKeyser re-signed to a 6 year deal

Posted by DickieDunn on 29 July 2016 - 11:02 AM

I think Karlsson's +/- is as much a factor of playing on crappie teams than anything against him