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#2651654 Byfuglien resigns with Jets - 5 years/$38 million

Posted by DickieDunn on Yesterday, 02:12 AM

Only if Buff were 33 or so. 5 years is actually pretty good term.

#2651438 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 08 February 2016 - 12:02 PM

Richards and Helm don't see a hell of a lot for the team, trade them both for picks, or move Marchenko or Ouellet in a package to get an established top 4 D in his prime.

#2651390 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 07 February 2016 - 03:10 PM

That's because Larkin is our future, too. He's our home run hit. Nyquist and Tatar were/are solid doubles. Jurco and Pulks are still in development. Mortgaging our future for the present would be a strikeout. I don't like striking out. I like consistency and the occasional home run hit and the chance every year to compete for a Cup by making the playoffs. How many other teams have had what we have had, even in the last decade?

Look, we're one game out of second place in the division. Why the doom and gloom? At the beginning of this season, everyone predicted that we'd just miss the playoffs. Right now, we're solidly positioned to not only make the playoffs, but to have a chance to challenge for a top spot in the division. So why the insistence that our team is collapsing and the end is nigh?
Between Larkin, Mrazek, DD, and our young guys in AA, Marchenko, etc...I think we are better situated for the future than just about any other team in the NHL, and most people who do this for a living would agree. And we've managed that while still managing to make the playoffs every year and take Stanley Cup winners and finalists to 7 games. I ask again - how many teams have had what we have had? It's a short list.

I refuse to accept that tanking is the right way to do the future, and I think any real fan of hockey would agree with me. You take care of the present by taking care of the future. You don't mortgage the future for the present, and you don't trash the present for the future. Say what you will about this team right now, what we've done is the future the right way. Also, half the teams in the NHL are one or two important pieces away from being a Cup contender. That's what the salary cap does to you. 
When it comes right down to it, I don't understand the fan experience that is perpetually mired in negativity and paralyzed by the fear of loss. It's like we refuse to enjoy victory because we're so terrified of the emotional letdown of an inevitable defeat. Is this a great team? Not yet. But it's a good team. Enjoy that. Appreciate it. Acknowledge it.
If Holland makes a slam dunk deal at the trade deadline, I'll be thrilled. But if not, let's have the perspective to say to ourselves that maybe, just maybe, Holland knows what he's doing, and to see that he has our team positioned - again - for a playoff run and a bright future.

But, but, but...we're Detroit! Isn't that how it works? Being rational about these things is such a pain.


Larkin is good, he might be great in a couple years.  That doesn't change the fact that there are no good defense prospects in the system, just some guys who might be solid second pair guys some day.  Dekeyser is at best a decent #2/excellent 3rd pairing guy, not even close to elite.


Who else has had what the Wings have had in the last decade?  Chicago, LA, Boston, Pittsburgh have all been better by quite a bit.


The Wings are 2 points out of second place.  The Isles are also 2 points behind the Wings with 2 games in hand, knocking Detroit out of the playoffs entirely.  It goes back to the "good enough" mentality.


This team is not good.  It struggles to score.  There's no chemistry and little structure.  The defense is mediocre at best, the stars are aging, the support players aren't good enough, and Larkin and Mrazek are probably the only things keeping them from being well out of the playoffs right now.


Holland has lost whatever trust he built up with the Cups.  He's handed out terrible contracts, signed a string of duds in free agency, and has been paralyzed with fear of trading the next great player who comes out of nowhere, but then doesn't want to give the prospects a shot until he has no other choice.  There was zero need to sign Richards with Larkin, AA, and Mantha in the system, but he's so overcommitted to "over ripe,"  which used to be just a phrase meaning we have a lot of good vets, that he's incapable of trusting the very kids he refuses to trade.

#2651348 Should the Red Wings Trade for Byfuglien?

Posted by DickieDunn on 07 February 2016 - 09:41 AM

The issue with him is that he apparently wants a lot of money and a lot of years and is at an age where he's going to be slowing down sooner rather than later.  He'd probably be worth it for about 3 years, +/- 1, then be steadily more and more of a drag.  If they could get him just as a rental for not that much, go for it, but there are probably other teams that would give more.

#2651346 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 07 February 2016 - 09:03 AM

Based on what? The fact that any of them are in the NHL is a huge testament to the scouting and drafting(Holland having a big part). None were 1st round picks and we know the statistics of players usually drafted outside the first round.

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Based on scouting and the team's own projections.  I don't see "well, most guys drafted there don't make the NHL" as an excuse.  Holland is smart enough to know that it's extremely difficult to build a winner without high end players, they don't have those guys with the possible exception of Larkin, and he is doing nothing to address it.  Instead he hands out bad contracts, hoards his prospects, and won't let anyone leave unless they make it clear they want no part in staying.  I'm not satisfied with year after year of mediocrity, sliding into the playoffs and losing in the first round and saying"well, if this or this happened, I think we might have won that round, and after that you never know."  


Dave Dombrowski went overboard with trading and made some crap moves, but at least he was smart enough to realize that most prospects don't live up to their ceiling and moved them when the value was high to get established players in their prime.  Holland used to do that too.  Now he seems afraid that if he trades a guy like Pulkkinen he's trading away Finnish Hull like a bunch of fans say.


A couple years ago when arguing against the "everyone is untouchable" mentality, I suggested that if a guy like Jamie Benn or Tavares was available and it would cost Nyquist, Sproul, Pulk and a first then you have to do it, and I was told by several people "no way that's too much even for a guy like them.  Is there anyone who wouldn't do that deal now from the Wings perspective?


To win the Cup, you need two high end forwards and an elite defenseman, or the harder road with one elite forward, a high end defenseman, and an elite goalie.  The Wings might have one forward in Larkin, lesser possibilities in Mantha, AA, or Svechnikov, a guy who looks like he might be an elite goalie, and nobody close to that on defense.  That means at least one, and ideally two, trades need to be made.  Goalies are notoriously hard to predict, I've seen far too many have a ton of success early then fall back to earth to put too much faith in Mrazek yet.  Holland seems to be content to just sit on his hands, make some minor moves, and stand pat rather than take any risks anymore.  If you're not improving, you're going backwards, and the Wings aren't improving.

#2651343 D-Boz tearin 'em up in the D!

Posted by DickieDunn on 07 February 2016 - 08:41 AM

Who the hell is D-Boz?

#2651254 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 06 February 2016 - 04:15 PM

Trade Richards and Helm to make room for Mantha and AA.

#2651140 Forward Line Combos/Discussion

Posted by DickieDunn on 06 February 2016 - 09:48 AM

Put Jurco and Pulk with people who can play offense.

Make Helm a check line player again.

Let Larkin play center.

Bench Richards






#2651085 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 05 February 2016 - 06:04 PM

I think it's coaching (I like Blash in terms of his style though) but it's also the player adjustment to the coach.

If the players are still adjusting after this long, there's a problem. Blashill is too much like Babcock, minus the history of winning to back him up.

#2650882 Bettman signed through 2022

Posted by DickieDunn on 01 February 2016 - 11:54 AM

He's employed by the owners, in part to take the heat for their decisions.  He gets blamed by fans for the lockouts, but they wouldn't have happened without the blessing of the owners.  Under his watch, the game is more popular and profitable than it's ever been, and the players can complain about the cap and escrow all they want, but not that long ago most teams weren't spending close to what they're currently required to spend just to get to the floor, and players are making more now across the board than they ever have.

#2650586 Dennis Wideman Suspended 20 Games

Posted by DickieDunn on 30 January 2016 - 05:58 PM

I don't think the question should be whether he tried to do it or not. It's obvious he did. The question is whether or not he realized it was an official, which I highly doubt he did.

Seems like an honest mistake on his part that could have happened to any. But he is still responsible for his actions and will have to deal with whatever consequences come from this.


Hitting another player like that wouldn't have been any better.

#2650518 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 29 January 2016 - 08:09 PM

Even taking Ericsson or Howard, his contract is linger so the Wings would be F-ed later on.

#2650517 Dennis Wideman Suspended 20 Games

Posted by DickieDunn on 29 January 2016 - 08:08 PM

Clearly (to me anyway) he was dazed and thought it was an opposing player, but that won't stop the lynch mob from demanding his head on a platter.

Even of he was loopy, he still extended his arms and smoked the linesman like a joint at Willie Nelson's house. He didn't just bump him or skate over him.

#2650488 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 29 January 2016 - 02:01 PM

I kind of agree but I think LGW really underestimates Phaneuf. He's a really good top 4 on any team.

It's hard to make good defence pairing without Q or Marchenko. I think DD plays best with a solid stay at home strong defender like Quincey, it alows him to skate. I think Marchenko could be a good replacement for Q as DD's sidekick. Other dmen just haven't worked for him

The problem is, he's paid like a Norris winner.  People say Ericsson is overpaid, Phaneuf is more overpaid, plus he has a long contract.

#2650486 Joakim Andesson on Waivers

Posted by DickieDunn on 29 January 2016 - 01:59 PM

Exactly my point Dickie... He'll never be a scorer at the NHL level, which is why he should concentrate on his defensive game in the AHL. If he ever were to get a call again, he could potentially stick as a 4th line, penalty killer, tough guy, but he would definitely need to improve his defensive game. He'll never become a top 6 goal scorer that drops the gloves like Milan Lucic. If he wants to make it in a permanent role in Detroit (I don't think he will), he would need to mold his game after a Cody McLeod or Chris Thorburn, a bottom 6, defensive minded guy that can kill penalties...


If he was willing to do that, I think he would have made that adjustment already.  Some guys think that no matter what, they can make it as a scorer and either refuse to believe any different or would rather play in a lower league as a top player than be a role player in the NHL.  Michel Picard and Don MacLean come to mind, as does 95% of the older European players who come over and end up back in Europe after a couple years.