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#2686278 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on Yesterday, 11:17 PM

I'm not one to get misty eyed over prospects, but moving Larkin fills a hole by creating another. Mantha or AA plus a pick and prospect is better and should be comparable to other offers


#2686246 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on Yesterday, 05:40 PM

If two players are equally good and you want to take the local kid, sure. Loading the team with average to middling players, calling a second pair D a star, and hoping that Larkin turns into an elite player just because they're all from Michigan isn't a sound strategy. Also, the idea that they like each other or have chemistry because they're from the same state is flawed. Maybe they played against each other and one threw a cheap shot, or banged another guy's girlfriend, or they hate each other for another reason.


#2686229 Dan Cleary Gets Training Camp Tryout

Posted by DickieDunn on Yesterday, 11:21 AM

 

There is no way the Wings brass and ownership don't care about winning a cup. Everyone here and in management/ownership want the same thing.

 

Every team in the history of sports has a decline at some point, clearly Wings fans are having a very hard time with this emotionally and cannot not take this team not being contenders. We were legit contenders for about 20 years, and have been mediocre for about 4-5 years. If things turn around and we become contenders again soon with this group of young players using the "overripe philosophy", this will be looked at as typical bump in the road that every team has to deal with. If the Wings are floating around the 8th seed for the next 5-6 years (like the Leafs 2006-2015), then yes its a problem. Despite what all the arm chair GM's think right now, only time will tell if Hollands rebuild on the fly plan will work.

The long term deals he's given to Helm, Abdelkader, Glendening and Nielsen, along with blocking the spots that should be open for Mantha and AA, pretty much guarantees that the best the Wings will do for the next 3 or 4 years is hover around the 7-8 seed.


Fans can't see the direction the team is heading. Their frustration doesn't allow them to perceive things objectively. The rebuild is happening right in front of us. As of now I think we have two great pieces in Larkin and Mrazek- potential core players of the future.

Rebuilding teams don't usually sign middling vets to 4+ year contracts that pay too much money.




#2685989 Dan Cleary Gets Training Camp Tryout

Posted by DickieDunn on 17 September 2016 - 12:17 PM

Having him keeps guys from playing back to back pre season games during the world cup, nothing more


#2685570 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 06 September 2016 - 10:54 AM

One forward plus Smith or younger D and picks is not gutting the roster


#2685550 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 05 September 2016 - 11:59 PM

points don't tell the whole story. He's the third rh D on their roster which means either he gets less time or he plays his off wing, something not everyone can effectively do. No, hes not a guarantee to be a top pair D, bit nobody is, and he has a better chance than anyone Detroit has now. As for Mrazek, he had a good half season them was hot garbage after mid February, and there's a long list of goalies who impressed early and flamed out, so there's no guarantee there either. Would I for sure do Mrazek for Trouba, I dont know. I'd damn sure consider it though. A forward other than Larkin plus a d going to Winnipeg, that's a no-brainer. But it's a moot point since we all know Holland is as capable of making a trade as a eunuch is of becoming a dad.


#2685501 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 04 September 2016 - 05:23 PM

I disagree. In our position we're looking a few years down the road, and I think AA will be more valuable to us than either of those guys.
 
Further, I don't think it would cost a top prospect anyway. The Ducks are a contender (at least borderline) and are looking to get over the hump. They're going to want something that makes them better now. Does Murray think Nyquist (or Tatar, but the cap makes that a little more complicated) for Fowler does that? If so, we wouldn't have to add a top prospect or high pick. If not, we probably can't make a deal no matter what we add (barring a stupid overpayment). He'll find a better deal elsewhere. And if he's super high on one of our prospects for some reason, we would likely be able to work something out with a lesser roster forward.
 
I also wouldn't think WPG would be interested in that kind of deal either. I've said before I don't there's a deal to found between us and Jets. The only thing I could see would be something like Smith+1st+top prospect. Too much for Trouba IMO.

A second line forward is more valuable than a top pairing D? Fowler and Trouba are both young enough to be helping Detroit for several years.


#2685476 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 03 September 2016 - 12:13 PM

Okay lets say Fowler is better than I'm giving him credit for. Say we trade him for Nyquist and whatever else it takes. You guys do realize it will probably be the only *major* trade we'll be doing for a few years. Does that satisfy you? Is this that one trade you want? 

Considering Trouba will probably cost more than Fowler and Barrie probably isn't really available, yes, getting Fowler would be good. You seem to think that if they dont get Fowler they're going to get someone else instead, like Holland is buying a new car and he's choosing between a Corvettte, an Escalade, or a Buick.

All these arguments are starting to become moot anyway. It's September 3rd and not much has been on the radar and 99% there won't be a trade. There's always the 1% though so. 

It's Holland, of course it's all academic. What was the last trade he made where he brought in a decent player not at the deadline, Stuart?


#2685467 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 03 September 2016 - 11:13 AM

No, predicting a guy who scored a ton in juniors and has done ok in the AHL could score 20 goals in the NHL is not overhyping him, unless saying AA is for sure a second line center is too.


#2685424 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 02 September 2016 - 07:07 PM

Fowler got his points on a "top team" like you yourself said. "A team that won their division". What's the guarantee he would do the same in an offensively defective team like ours? (see Mike Green). Fowler is maybe slightly better than DK. But not by much. For the record, I don't even think DK is a top 2 D-man. 
 
I've already said, Trouba is younger. He probably has bigger room to improve than both of them. If we had a choice between the 3, I'd hope the other two are higher on the list. Trouba is probably more worth the gamble imo if he's to come here to play top 2. Is he a top 2? Idk. But definitely a better risk-benefit situation than Fowler is. Plus he'd be cheaper over the course of the contract. 

Still didn't answer. I didn't say points, I asked why a division winner would play a guy who will never be a #2 top minutes? And what is the top potential for the three of them.


#2685409 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 02 September 2016 - 06:00 PM

He's a solid #2 with #1 potential, better than anyone Detroit has.

Now please explain why a team that won their division would play a guy who will never be a top pair D more than anyone else.


#2685407 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 02 September 2016 - 05:47 PM

Fowler will never be a top 2. And if a player isn't top 2 (something we need) then trading assets for him doesn't make any sense. Unless  you think he is or will be top 2... and if you do then you're hyping him.

Is that why he led Anaheim in toi/gm?


#2685404 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 02 September 2016 - 05:20 PM

Or like the people talking about Trouba and Fowler like they're already legit 1D instead of moderately good players with some potential?

You're doing the same exact thing your chastizing others for.

Where did I say either were already #1s?


#2685144 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 27 August 2016 - 08:32 PM

Potential #1D > potential #2 C every day if the week


#2685139 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 27 August 2016 - 07:15 PM

I'm not trading AA. Mantha would get the deal done.

Cap wise I guess we'd have to hope he'd sign for a deal for a couple seasons until we can clear more space. Being home, maybe he'd sign for a deal and when Howard is moved, that'll open up space.

Why not AA? I like him but he is absolutely not untouchable in a trade for a guy like Trouba