I agree even when he still done boneheaded stuff in the draft it come from good things.
Example....getting an extra third last year(good move). Then follows up by a TERRIBLE move by drafting a guy we could've got in round 5 6 or 7 in bertuzzi.
But yes I agree the scouts AND holland and anyone else involved have done a great job of drafting players.
How do you know he wouldn't have been picked before then had they waited? They obviously liked him and had him targeted, and he's shown enough this last year to make it a legit pick. 34 points in 29 games is a nice step up from the previous year.
I like Niskanen and Boyle, and I’d be thrilled if we got either one, but this is what I see actually happening.
I see Gilbert coming here too. He's a guy who can play on the second pairing, move the puck, and is a right handed shot, and his contract should be reasonable and not be so high that if Smith passes him and pushing him to the third pairing people won't be panicky about how much we're paying a third pair D.
Ideally I'd like to see Kindl moved in a package for a better player and use Kronwall, Ericsson, Smith, Dekeyser, the new guy and Marchenko or Ouellet as the top 6 with Lashoff as a cheap young #7.
Yeah, after Suter it was a bunch of second pairing guys that year, most of whom got upwards of $5 mil per.
As far as Cleary goes, as long as it's a 2-way deal and he spends 95% of the season in GR except for a call up for a few games, that's fine. If they lose a kid on waivers because they want to keep Dand M-F-ing Cleary, I'm going to be pissed.
The scouts don't have final say in the pick.
Ken holland does.
A lot of the scouts are ken holland hires.
The scouts advise him. If you think Holland makes every decision on his own, you are sorely mistaken. He relies on the scouts and trusts them, and he pick players off the list they come up with together.
Exactly. He uses the people he hires properly, something a lot of bosses don't do.
I just think it's funny that his detractors blame him for everything they don't like because he has the final say (which he doesn't in the end, he has bosses too) but the good things happen because of everyone else.
Signing a second pair d-man to a huge contract just because there aren't any top pair guys available in free agency is a terrible idea. Teams always regret those deals within a year or two. That's why we've seen so many buyouts.
People are calling Niskanen a solid player. He is. He was also the Pens's #4 d and despite being solid /good, he's going to get top pair money, if not #1 money. It'd be like paying as much for a Focus as you would a Mustang because you need a new car.
Alfie signing a top UFA one? *lol* it was a good signing nothing more nothing less. Weiss signed after being out for almost 6 months..
Niskanen would easily be the biggest offseason signing, the defense needs to become better and not all of these GR guys are going to make it to the big club, some will get t raded others just aren't good enough.
6 years 33 million should get the job done, the cap is risin
You're not comprehending. Whether you like it or not, Stephen Weiss and Daniel Alfredsson were likely considered #1 and #2 of a weak free agent market. (Val Filppula could be in the mix as well, but he was leaving the Wings) Whether you think they are good players or not is neither here nor there. Other teams wanted these guys, (Boston was rumored to be interested in Alfie) and they both signed with Detroit.
Again, who are all these other top free agents that Holland pursued that shunned the Wings? Even Parise and Suter didn't reject the Wings due to money or going to a "contender". They went to the Minnestoa Wild. You know, that storied franchise in that swanky urban city with a chance to win the Cup every year.
Pre salary cap, free agents came to the Wings because Ilitch could and would offer the most money. Now with the salary cap, that advantage has been taken away. It has nothing to do with Holland's abilities or Detroit not being a "contender" or a destination city.
The Wings don't go after many free agents, but when they do, more often than not, they get their man. Parise and Suter were the exception, not the rule.
Parise and Suter went to Minny because of their matching contracts and that's where their wives wanted them to go.
There were also lots of free agents who didn't wan to come here before the cap, but back then your third option was still good.
There's a difference between wanting to talk to agents and players and actually going forward and signing someone. Holland is talking to everyone in order to do his due diligence. When/if he finds out that Niskanen won't sign for less than ridiculous money, Boyle only wants a 3 year deal, Moulson thinks he's worth 6 years, $6.5 mil per, etc. and he doesn't think that they're worth close to those deals, he'll move on and sign another player to a more or less sane contract.
Signing Niskanen or any player coming off a career season in a contract year to a long term contract is a big risk. Yes, he could continue to play at a high level, or he could fall all the way back to where he had been, or end up somewhere in the middle. Only one of those 3 makes him worth the contract. One is a disaster, and the other makes in bearable, but not good. Given the fact that they have Kronwall, Ericsson, and probably Dekeyser and Smith long term and Sproul, Ouellet, Marchenko, Backman, Jensen, et. al. in the minors, and that at least 2 and possible 4 or 5 prospects who can turn into NHL players, I don't think that the Wings need to take that risk unless they make a major move something like Smith, Ericsson, and a prospect for a Norris caliber d-man who wants to leave his team that will open up a spot.
No if his body breaks down they'll be paying $5.8 mil for 30 points and 60 games.
OR, he goes on LTIR or retires. There's not just one possible outcome here. And at least the two I've identified carry no long term fiscal exposure for the Lightening, which is probably why they weren't too worried about the contract.
I agree that his contract carries some risks. They all do. But you're acting like it's a foregone conclusion that this contract is terrible and will bite them in the ass. I'm just providing two realistic alternatives to that narrative which don't end with this being a catastrophe for Tampa. You're welcome to disagree with their relative likelihood. But surely you won't deny that a "Brian Rafalski" scenario couldn't happen with Callahan if his body deteriorated before his contract expired.
He can't go on ltir because he's injury prone. He has to have a real documented injury. I can't see him retiring at 32 or 33 with that much money on the table either.