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#2537528 We're Down One Goose

Posted by DickieDunn on 28 September 2014 - 10:04 PM

I think it has something to do with practice...
Think about it: the Wings practice against the Wings - we aren't an overly physical team and in practice we would be even less physical than in a game. If you practice going to the dirty areas and into the corners over and over again in practice without any physical impact when you get to a game situation you do the same but get destroyed. I think our players are just generally not totally expecting huge impacts - look at Sproul, Datsyuk recently who were surprised by hits they typically wouldn't expect from practicing against a soft Wings team. 

Do you really thin that other teams run each other in practice? Hits in practice lead to more injuries, not fewer.

#2537478 2014 Preseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 28 September 2014 - 08:32 AM

Nice hit on Chara and he get's upset.  Waaa Waaa.  Good for Callie!

He's not a star, he's supposed to be a tough guy. Tough guys don't do that, how can he be our McCartney or probert if he can't even defend himself.

I thought that Sir Paul is a pacifist.

#2537413 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by DickieDunn on 26 September 2014 - 10:11 PM

I wonder if Probert(God bless his soul) was riding shotgun on the wing for Z or D what would be outcome?


Probie had the tools to play the game AND be the man playing police officer.


Heck what if it was Kocur instead?


Would this lineup be energized a bit more knowing the little bothersome "rats" would have to answer?



But back to the injury things could be worse.....http://www.tsn.ca/hu...ght-leg-1.91360



If Probert was playing now (and clean, if he was doing the crap he did back then now he'd never make it) coaches wouldn't want him to fight much.  He had enough talent that they'd want him on the ice, not in the box.


Not that I'm arguing that the Wings necessarily need a meathead, but the last Cup win the Wings had Aaron Downey in the lineup.  And Babcock played him in 56 games.  


It's not just an outdated concept from 17 years ago.


With Tootoo I think it was more that he could never really hit effectively without taking himself well out of position.  And as admirable as it was that he'd drop the gloves with anyone, he hardly struck fear in the hearts of anyone except when he suckerpunched them.  Most of what he did on the Wings was staged fights.



And zero playoff games.  Mark Hartigan played 4 games that run.  Downey had zero influence on the Wings winning the Cup that year.

#2537301 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by DickieDunn on 25 September 2014 - 03:51 PM

Serious question.  I don't read other hockey boards, so I don't know the answer to this question.


Do other forums have as many posters who don't believe fighting and enforcers have a place in the game?  It seems like we have many, and I wonder how much of that has to do with Kenny Holland and the Wings philosophy of finishing last in fighting majors every year for the last 10+ years?  


Seems like the attitude of the team and management has rubbed off to the fanbase.


With that said, I know many Wings fans who can't stand that philosophy and root for the team in spite of it.  



There's a difference between having a guy who will fight and can do other things and having a talentless meatbag who can do nothing but punch people.

#2537134 Who should get cut/traded by game 1 of the season?

Posted by DickieDunn on 24 September 2014 - 05:51 AM

Weiss won't get chemistry with anyone else by playing wing either. Also I'm not sure he's ever played there. I think that they're better served with him at center as long as he's healthy. Also, you know Cleary will be on the lineup a lot early on so he can get his bonus. I just hope he starts on the 4th line.

#2536568 Flames adding Truculence...Yonkman, Gillies PTO

Posted by DickieDunn on 19 September 2014 - 08:38 AM

See, to me, you say that like it’s something to be proud of. Any team can take a crack at theses two if they are prepared to suck a whole ton of ass for a year. 
Maybe I’m misreading your tone. If so I apologize. 
I know some people wish the Wings would just tank and get some top 5 picks but I’d be more proud, as a fan, if this team was able to get back into contention without really breaking stride. 

Nah that's not what I'm trying to say but I really understand what Burkie is trying to do here. He knows his team won't be even close to playoff contention so he goes out and brings in a bunch of tough guys not only for entertainment but also for protection (Gaudreau is heavily undersized and the rats would have taken advantage of him) but now there are some big SOBs looking over his shoulder :-)
. It's year two of their rebuild and let's be honest players like Eichel and McDavid aren't there every year so I can understand why teams want to get them.
Is tanking something to be proud of ? Of Course not -at least not for me- but the league is making it harder and harder for teams like the Wings to ice a great roster. And yeah personally I'd rather be a bottom 5 team than one that barely misses the playoffs and get's some midrange picks.

It depends on why you're just making it. If the team is healthy and it's a talent issue thenajor changes need to be made. If it's because of injuries to all your top forwards then you need to look at the training staff.

#2536345 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by DickieDunn on 16 September 2014 - 05:13 PM

A lot less than I thought also now it's quite clear what cost the delay - lowballing.


If the guy continues to play this well his next contract will be a huge one that's for sure if he wants to stay. Danny gave a huge hometown discount here just so he can attend the camp what a player what a person..


So now he should be good to go for the camp book him a flight + room and let's start training camp.



Define "lowballing."  As has been stated multiple times, Dekeyser had almost no leverage, and there's not track record and few comparables.  He got a bit less than I thought, but not much.  And his next contract will only be a huge one if he developps offense and isn't passed by a couple other prospects.

#2536294 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by DickieDunn on 16 September 2014 - 12:24 PM

This is ALL on Holland.  He cannot continue to believe that players should take discounts because "We Are Detroit" or they are local kids.  The ONLY players that come here for discounts or re-sign here anymore are players that either have had their longer career's here or players that cannot get signed ny anyone else, plus, for some reason, Holland OVERPAYS his useless vet's and low-balls his top talented RFA's when the market dictates otherwise.  Danny D should get and deserves to get paid like comparable RFA defensemen out there PLUS get paid better than players that are WORSE than he is.  There is no way Danny D should deservedly get less money than Kindl, Quincey OR Ericsson.  Way to treat one of the ONLY players to choose Detroit over everyone else, even if it meant passing up better places to play.  Way to show this kid, who is arguably the best defenseman you have on the team (or don't have yet) that you intend to make him feel wanted for life.  I don't blame Danny if he just hold's out as long as it takes to get a deal, then split when he is a UFA.  Holland continues to prove to everyone that his priorities are out of whack.  He needs to give Danny a similar contract to Gardiner and then deal with waiving Q or K if it comes down to re-signing Alfie at an over-inflated contract.  Danny D is going to be the leader of the future D-Corps, now is not the time to sour your relationship with him...and I wouldn't doubt that behind closed doors, the relationship is going south...I only wish my buddy still dated his sister maybe I could get some inside thoughts on their opinions of Holland's negotiation tactics now! :lol:

DD is an undrafted player with less than a full season's worth of games played who has limited offensive upside and still has work to do defensively and getting stronger. Those aren't the guys you sign to 6 year $30 mil contracts.

#2536174 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by DickieDunn on 13 September 2014 - 10:31 PM

trading mrazek and keeping Howard would be the worst decision since "the choice." don't make another mistake like that!
btw, get DD signed! If you have to waive Q and K to free up enough money, do it. Danny is better than either of them.

Unless of course Mrazek is the next Blaine Lacher Jim Carey (not the actor) or Andrew Raycroft.

#2536136 Who should get cut/traded by game 1 of the season?

Posted by DickieDunn on 13 September 2014 - 08:40 AM

Cleary should never have gotten more than a tryout, but now he's going to play at least 10 games to get his bonus. I'd like to see Kindl moved out for a rookie. Miller is pretty good for a 4th liner so he should stay. Jurco showed enough last year that a roster spot should be his to lose.

#2536011 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by DickieDunn on 11 September 2014 - 07:14 PM

Lashoff is pretty solid for a 7 and still has some room to grow. I'm done with Kindl though.

#2536005 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by DickieDunn on 11 September 2014 - 06:12 PM

Kindl's issue is he's so inconsistent. My brother went to a lot of GR games his last year there and he said Kindl never looked like he belonged in the AHL. He always looked like he should have been in the ECHL or the NHL and nothing in between. That doesn't work at the top level.

#2535927 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by DickieDunn on 11 September 2014 - 08:42 AM

RFA players get less. Dekeyser isn't the #1 young D Dekeyser isn't a Norris candidate who will make or break the season. Quincey is not overpaid by much if at all based on the UFA market. Signing Quincey was not panic or knee jerk.

#2535662 Lines Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 06 September 2014 - 07:04 PM


I would love for that to happen. Unfortunate string of injuries, really is


If it was the same injury both years I'd be more worried.  Sports hernias can linger for a long time, once they figured out that's what he actually had, it wasn't really surprising that he missed the rest of the season.  Everything I've seen says that he's completely healed now and should be good to go.  As long as he doesn't try to hide another injury, he should be fine.

#2535565 Lines Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 04 September 2014 - 02:37 PM

This whole thing makes me think of that time Babs put Filppula on the wing.  I can't imagine this turning out any better.  Which isn't to say Fil was bad on the wing.  He was ok on the wing.  But I'd rather have a winger.  Plain and simple. 

The only year in Detroit Filppula scored more than 40 points was the year he spent most of his time on Zetterberg's wing.

Not when Datsyuk was healthy. A 4th line with Helm or Sheahan at center is far better than one with Glendening at center.Sheahan and Glendening are both natural wingers who can also take a FO. You're just nitpicking at this point.

Sheahan is a natural center. Glendening was a winger until last year when he started working at center to try and increase his value. I don't see why anyone can argue that he'd be better than either Sheahan or Helm.