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#2485544 USA-Canada Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 20 February 2014 - 03:02 PM

Everyone complaining about the refs needs to stop.  The US was up 2 with under 3 minutes left.  They lost because they couldn't hold a lead.  Period.

#2485458 USA-Canada Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 20 February 2014 - 01:57 PM


#2485452 USA-Canada Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 20 February 2014 - 01:32 PM

If ****** Canoe McGuire says "long range bombers" one more time I'm going to track him down and beat him to death with his own severed arm.

#2485394 Official 2014 Olympic Hockey Thread (Admin warning #316)

Posted by DickieDunn on 20 February 2014 - 10:21 AM

That, and the insistence that the US and Canada are absolutely the best seems kind of a North-American-centric view of things.  Last I looked, Sweden had some pretty damn good players on their team.

#2485389 Red Wings should target Clarkson

Posted by DickieDunn on 20 February 2014 - 08:50 AM

Clarkson scored what he did by a combination of luck and the Devils PP strategy being "bank the puck in off Clarkson."  He does nothing to create offense, isn't that great of a skater, and plays a style that doesn't lend itself to a long career.  Even if he had 2 or 3 good years, that's a horrendously bad contract.

#2485322 10 ton elephant in the room.

Posted by DickieDunn on 19 February 2014 - 07:44 PM

Helene St. James ‏@HeleneStJames 2h
Bobby Ryan off to Ottawa. #RedWings had little interest in Ryan, none after lackluster performance in this year's playoffs against them.

That's wrote as fact not opinion.



If I say "you're an idiot," that's written as a fact, not an opinion.  Does it make it true?


Helene St. Lame is one of the worst "reporters" out there.

#2485289 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by DickieDunn on 19 February 2014 - 06:39 PM

We like our team


I like the team, I'm just not sure I LIKE like the team, and I really question whether or not I love the team.

#2484891 10 ton elephant in the room.

Posted by DickieDunn on 18 February 2014 - 02:10 PM

Here is a fact at the olympic break our leading goal scorer is 66th on the list at 16 goals.

Detroit in 19th for goals for....

Not good enough we need goal scorers.

I can also do that game to, in franzens first two years he scored 22 goals combined see cherry picking stats!! It's a fact that he is a 25-30 goal scorer but he isn't a 30+. He also brings nothing else but laziness to the team. Which would be find if he was actually good at scoring goals. He should be scoring 40-50 goals with no problem but can't cause he is lazy. People talk about how great z and dat are and that they elevate their line mates so why aren't they elevating Franzen? Or maybe they are and they carried the load for his laziness? For the people that actually watch game Franzen very rarely ever earns a goal. Someone usually makes an outstanding play giving him a free goal.

What's with specifically saying vanek all the time? Christ it's annoying when some says a "vanek type player". That doesn't mean it has to be him. It's just the idea of having a legit sniper that can score A LOT of goals not a mid level amount.

The difference is vanek in the last nine years has 260 goals Franzen has 173. Average them out Franzen is a 19 goal a year and vanek is a 29 goal a year. One has shown they can score more than 30 consistently. Vanek is also younger and a righty shot. All things that we need.

Now the mobile version sucks of Espn to so idk if that's each players whole career or if it only shows 9 years? But it kind of shows the difference between the to...I also couldn't see the games played difference not sure who has advantage there given the fact franzens been out a lot I hope vanek does but I wasn't able to see. I'll have to wait until I'm in computer to look.


The Wings' leading goal scorer has 16 because all of their goal scorers have missed significant time with the exception of Tatar, not because of a lack of talent.  


What a player did 6 years ago is irrelevant.  The last 3 years is a far better gauge of what a player will do the following year.  


The last full NHL season, Franzen had 29G, 56 pts, and was in a 3 way tie for the +/- lead on the team.  Vanek had 26G, 61 pts, and was near the bottom of his team's +/- stat.  


Vanek is used because he's the top pending free agent, and if you're going to say "Vanek type" you might as well use the original guy.  If you want to go with Moulson or someone else, go ahead.  The comparison between him and Franzen will still be the same.  


It an absolute FACT that Johan Franzen is a capable goal scorer.  It is an absolute FACT that there is little difference between 28 or 29 goals and 30 goals.


If you're really serious about how Franzen's goals are "gifts" then you need to pay more attention.

#2484839 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by DickieDunn on 18 February 2014 - 09:06 AM

haha Omark got waived from the sabres and refuses to play in the AHL.. they'll terminate his contract.


is there a lower low (NHL wise) than getting waived from a team as bad as buffalo? :P


Being drafted in the first round by Columbus?  That seems to be the kiss of death to any aspirations of being a star player.

#2484834 10 ton elephant in the room.

Posted by DickieDunn on 18 February 2014 - 08:52 AM

Name 20 defensemen who are clearly better than Kronwall and I'll agree they don't have a #1 D.  The problem is Ericsson is only adequate at #2 and while Dekeyser might get there, he's not there now.


Going back to the 10-11 season, Franzen has 80G, 165 pts in 225 games.  Per 82 games, that's 29G 60 pts.  Datsyuk has 72/136/208 in 210 games, per 80 he's at 28G 81 pts.  Zetterberg has 73/172/245 in 253 games, 24G 79 pts per 82.  So you're saying that just a few more goals so Franzen and Datsyuk were averaging 30 instead of 29 and 28 respectively would make a difference?  I call BS.  Fans are just too obsessed with round numbers.  Too many people act like there's a big difference between 29 and 30, but no difference between 30 and 31.  Vanek is only a little better per 82 games than Franzen at 31 G and 72 pts. playing a lot bigger role than he probably would here.  


The difference between Franzen and Jurco is that Franzen is a proven goal scorer while Jurco just has potential.  He might score 30 a year, or he might not hit 20 a year on a regular basis.

#2484767 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by DickieDunn on 17 February 2014 - 05:07 PM

I realize it sounded like I just compared him to Feds and Nash.... shame on me if I made it sound that way.  I was just stating the situation was the same and compared it.  If Boston wants him and if Anaheim wants him, it should cost Boston more because of the division aspect...



So if 2 teams want him and both are offering a similar package, trade him out of the division.  If Anaheim will only give up a 6th and Boston will give up a 4th, take the 4th.  Like I said, Quincey is not a guy you worry about coming back to haunt you with his new team.

WAY too much to give up for Ott. At most I'd go Andy plus one pick or prospect (and not a top one either). Also, how do we shoehorn in another $2M+ in cap?


Ott for Andersson, a 4th, and Samuelsson, if I was able to talk to Ott and he said he was willing to sign a reasonable extension.  Otherwise I wouldn't give up more than a 3rd if they took back Samuelsson to make the salary work.

#2484638 Official 2014 Olympic Hockey Thread (Admin warning #316)

Posted by DickieDunn on 17 February 2014 - 10:45 AM

To me the difference between Canada and the US is that Canada is a collection of great players, where the US players were chosen to play specific roles, at least that was the non a-hole reason given for leaving Ryan off the team.  Canada hasn't been as sharp in their games, though, despite looking so dominant on paper.  Maybe that's because they figure they don't have to be at the top of their game for the round robin and they'll get up for the elimination stage, which is looking like it'll probably be Switzerland and then USA to get to the medal game.  I that's they're thought process, it might bite them in the ass though.


Sweden is the top seed because they're the only team that won all their games in regulation.  They don't have an easy path though, they're probably going to play Russia or Finland to get to the medal round.  FInland showed that they're a pretty good team in their first 3 games, and Russia can still pull their heads out of their asses and be dangerous.

#2484637 10 ton elephant in the room.

Posted by DickieDunn on 17 February 2014 - 10:36 AM

I don't hate Franzen but with this last head injury the Wings have to take a look at buying him out when/if he gets healthy. I get that this is an ok contract but if he is sitting in the press box what good is it? Injuries have killed the Red Wings this year and will make it very difficult to make the playoffs. Franzen has a serious head injury and the dude should hang them up because there is life after hockey 


Let's leave the medical advice for Franzen to the doctors who actually examine him.  If he is out for the rest of the season, there's no guarantee that he'll be cleared before the compliance buy out window any way, so that won't be an option.   If he does retire, the Wings are hit with a cap penalty of just over $1 mil thanks to the Bettman hissy fit recapture rule, which isn't a killer, but the Wings might opt to let him do the Chris Pronger thing instead of buying him out.

#2484608 10 ton elephant in the room.

Posted by DickieDunn on 16 February 2014 - 08:55 PM

Btw I hate the mobile version of this site I can't quote people?? Maybe it's just me.

Anyway dyes I hate the Alfie signing. Yes I agree with your points you made and it makes sense. If we were close to winning a cup? He'll yes it'd be a great signing! But we are not. It's a FACT this team is still a year or two away. Or more. I know you people in lala LAN like to think differently but it's a fact. This team needs some changes one of which is founding out which young guys can play and contribute. They can't when we have the old and useless taking up play time.


Alfredsson is far from useless.  Anytime you can add a player who will help your team, even if it's only going to be for a year or two, you do it.  His signing, and the Weiss contract, aren't the problem.  Weiss's season long groin issues make Weiss a problem, but that's not something you know will happen, and any player might get hurt.


The real problem was that Holland made a bad assumption that he'd be able to trade someone when he signed Cleary.  That led to no roster space or cap room for Nyquist.  I said at the time that I didn't mind CLeary coming back, but the deal shouldn't have been finalized until someone was traded.

#2484294 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by DickieDunn on 15 February 2014 - 05:38 PM

like I've said before, if Boston wants Q, I am asking for Joe Morrow in return. The B's may not do it, but that is my asking price.


I still turn K over along with Almqvist for the best possible return. If I need to throw in our 1st to get it, I will...


And after the Boston GM is done laughing at you, he'll tell you he'll give you a 4th round pick for Quincey.