Mrazek won't be handed the #1 job. I think Weiss will be bought out of he won't be a regular. Franzen on LTIR is not dead cap space and if he's healthy (a long shot I think) he will be playing. Kindly as the #7/isn't dead space either. Dead cap space is players not on the roster eating cap.
Can we just buy Franzen out and be done with him and his contract or did we miss that opportunity?
I think they'd get hit with a cap recapture penalty on top of the ca hit for buying him out, so no, it's not a real option. Even without the recapture penalty, I don't think it's feasible. They also can't buy out an injured player.
You, Bill, and Ted are all welcome to disagree with me, of course. To me, Jurco was the biggest disappointment for the Red Wings that season. Yes, I expected more points out of him than I did from Abdelkader and Helm in their first few years. Didn't you? Didn't everyone? Am I incorrect in saying that Jurco has always been viewed as a future top six forward.... whereas that was not the case with Abdelkader or Helm? I don't want and the Wings don't need Jurco to be another "quality possession player given his role" who is "good defensively" and produces no offense. Those guys grow on trees. Ferraro and Callahan can come in and do that. Glendening, Miller, and Andersson do that. Jurco is supposed to be and should be better than that. And he wasn't. At all. Yes, maybe some of my disappointment is the result of higher expectations for him on my part than some other players... but I don't care. He was hugely disappointing and not at all "excellent."
Abdelkader was projected as a potential second line player when he was drafted.
it is far too early to give up on Jurco. He has good speed and size, he uses his size well, and despite his lack of production he still has enough skill to make him a probable top 6 winger in the near future.
Because "didn't meet expectations" is putting it lightly. I didn't expect him to light the world on fire.... I did expect him to score more goals this season than Big E and KFQ.... Drew Miller.... Kindl... Joakim Andersson. He did score more Dan Cleary by 2, though, so hats off to him. Of course, Danny boy scored more goals per game than Jurco, so nevermind. The expectation wasn't just that he wouldn't be completely worthless (which he was for the entire year), but that he would actually be good (which he wasn't.... for the entire year).
did you expect much offense playing with Miller and Glendening most of the time?
Bowman was GM for a bit, but Holland handled most of the day to day stuff. Minimizing his contributions is just bs. When Yzerman wanted to he a GM I don't blame Holland at all for not taking a different role. He's the GM, he wanted to continue to fill that role.
Not necessarily. I'd agree with you but there wasn't a bidding war from the Leafs side according to Shanny and Babs. The Leafs made the offer before Babcock was heading to Prague. The only one that raised their offer were the Red Wings. If you believe that is of course your choice, but I haven't seen any media piece that says otherwise. What does it tell us ? Well, Babs didn't demand that kind of money and I'm sure he'd still choose the Maple Leafs if we matched that offer or if the Leafs offer wasn't better than our first.
"It all comes down to cash" is a too simple answer. Decisions are made because of a number of reasons. Money may have played a role, but all the other factors mentioned here in the thread and by Babs were probably more significant. If everything came down to money no one would have blamed Babs if he said so. He could have just sat in the presser and told the media that the Leafs made the best offer money wise. Would you blamed him ? I sure wouldn't. Almost nobody would. Instead he made lengthy explanation that sounds reasonable for a guy like him.
He did say that in the presser. He said that Toronto made an offer he couldn't refuse. Every other thing he said would factor into the decision went right out the window when that offer was made.
He said his family's input would make a difference. They wanted to stay. He left.
He said he didn't want to be part of a rebuild. Toronto is rebuilding. He signed.
He was concerned about Detroit's future prospects. Ours are better than Toronto's. He signed with them.
He said he wants to win. Went to one of the league's worst franchises.
I'm not even lambasting the guy. I'd have left for that money too. I'm just wondering why everybody feels the need to act like this was all about something it wasn't.
Detroit has a long history of people who have PROVEN that they'd rather win than make the most money. Not just said it. Did it. They've done it over and over and over. From Holland to all of our star players, each could have made more money if they'd hit the free market. They chose not to because they liked being here, and so they were willing to take less.
But Mike Babcock isn't one of those guys. He's not Nick Lidstom. He's Sergei Fedorov. Nothing wrong with Sergei, great Wing, great player, decent guy. Same with Babs. But they both chased the money. Plain and simple.
So you were there when Babcock talked to his wife and heard her say I don't want to go to Toronto, even for that much money? No? Then how do you know what his family wanted? Money absolutely was a factor, but if anyone gets offered a huge raise to go to a new company, I guarantee 99.9% of the time people leave. I mostly like where I work now, typical BS you find in any company aside, and it's less than a mile fromy house. But if I got am offer to drive 25 miles for another $3 an hour, I'd be out of there in a second.
Fedorov wasn't about the money either. He'd wanted out of Detroit for years, despite what he said in the media. He tried his best to get out after '97 and only came back because that ridiculous contract the Camels offered got matched. He wanted to go somewhere he'd be THE guy.
The Wings wanted a local boy in the draft once and got some scrawny Canadian kid instead. I think that worked out pretty good.
Where a player is from is and should always be a secondary consideration. When you take locality over talent, you're going to be disappointed every time. Look at the Pistons and Lions Remember Mateen Cleaves? Charles Rogers? Drew Stanton? All were drafted because they were local guys when better players were available. I don't want the Wings to do that.
Babs would be a fool to take the $5m in Toronto ... if he can't deliver a Cup, which I don't think he can in Toronto, he'll be like any albatross player with a huge contract and cannot deliver. His legacy will go down the toilet if he goes to TO.
How does a coach's salary affect a team with a ton of cash? The only reason Clarkson and Phaneuf are issues is the cap.