I'm confused, is 6 points in 11 games bad? Did you guys think we were getting Max Pacioretty? We got a 40 point winger, who came to Detroit and played...ready for this...EXACTLY like a 40 point winger.
Or were you guys suggesting that Holland should have known Cole would get hurt in advance, and thus not made the trade?
This is Red Wing land, where everyone is Captain Hindsight, with his faithful companions Woulda, Shoulda, and Coulda and Holland is a moron for not knowing a player would get hurt.
I mean, I'm not in love with Andersson (nor would I hate Cleary either), but he's not costing us games. He's a plug, sure. But pretty much every team has a cheap guy on the fourth line who's easily replaceable. Not really an issue as far as I'm concerned. Again, Andersson isn't the reason we're in a slide.
That said, I never want to seem him doing anything other than being a fourth line winger. If your third line center is hurt, move Hem or Weiss to that spot. Don't promote Andersson (as Babs has been doing).
On my team he's either a fourth line winger, or he's on the bench. We've got better options everywhere else.
On my team, a 4th line winger is a goon. You've basically admitted that Andersson is useless. May as well have a guy that is good at his job and putts butts in the seats.
Andersson isn't good but he's not useless. Goons are useless, especially in the playoffs or in a tight game.
I would say that I think Detroit will not be in that same situation is because Ken Holland will not let his salary cap get out of control again. Hudler left them once before for more money (to the KHL(which really soured me on him)) and then he was looking for top dollar again when he signed in Calgary. (by this time everyone wanted him gone so it was no big loss) So he was just looking for the biggest payday he could find. When Filppula left, the going rate for a 2nd line center was through the roof and Holland's plan for the rest of the team (I believe that was the same year he went balls out for Suter) didn't have any room left under the cap for that going rate. Holland will not let the cap control him again, he will contiue to grow his own talent, pay them accordingly and if the time comes where they are just looking for the payday and they no longer fit in the team cap structure, that is when he will lose them.
Actually the Suter fail was the previous year. Holland let Filpulla walk and basically signed Weiss for the same amount and term. I don't compare Filpulla to Nyquist or Tatar. I compare him to Weiss, for obvious reasons. Now I'm no expert, but I think Filpulla > Weiss.
I don't see how not getting Suter was a failure considering he wanted to play kind of close to home and with Parise. There's no way the Wings were going to give them those matching contracts, because it was stupid and a desperation move.
Weiss isn't getting a chance to show what he can do. I don't know if it's personal with Babcock, or he's not picking up the system, or if he's not getting along with the rest of the team, or what. Filppula isn't worth his contract either though.
I don't expect him to win ever single year, but you guys are downplaying some of the really great teams he had and lost with. His teams were not mediocre in 2005 or 2009. I get irritated when people act like he's had nothing to work with. He's had good, to great teams since joining the wings. He's got one cup. He's not such a super duper coach that its anathema to even consider life after Babcock.
Bowman had great teams in 95 96 99 00 and 01 and didn't win. He used grinders with Hall of Fame centers and had Fedorov on defense for awhile. He must suck too
RE: Roster decisions. Before Cleary's knees went bad, he was a hell of a complimentary player for skilled guys. He was fast, he'd hit, and he had enough skill to keep up. Babcock was just too stubborn to see that he was done before last year.
Andersson isn't much of a scoring line center, but he's not a checker either. He's just one of those 'tweener guys who don't do anything really well. He's a good reserve, but that's it. He's had some limited success in that role though, so they might as well try it if Babcock won't put Weiss there.
They have Glendening to play checking center, they don't need Helm there. He's done fine as a support player. So has Abdelkader.
Modano didn't play because he came into camp out of shape, took forever to get back into playing shape and get any traction, and when he was starting to finally play better he had his wrist tendons severed right and never recovered. Legwand had trouble learning the defensive system, which is a danger of any deadline trade.
Maybe he thinks calling out Cole will piss him off and light a fire. I remember when Bowman singled out Shanahan after a bad run by the team even though everyone was playing like hot garbage, and the next game Shanny went apes***.
Hudler was redundant because of Tatar and Nyquist were coming in. Filppula was too inconsistent here and needed a change. I'm not going to worry about either of the two current Wings until they get close to ufa status.
I don't want to assume too much about why things are the way they are with Weiss, but it doesn't really matter. What matters is that he's been relegated to the 3rd and even 4th line, he's making a lot of money, and he's now worthy of being a healthy scratch even when Datsyuk goes out of the lineup. It doesn't matter if Babcock and management hates him or loves him, or whether Babcock and management are justified or not in the decisions they're making; it's a total waste to keep Weiss around if he's going to be used in this manner. It's not fair to him or the team. Unless something drastic happens between now and then, he needs to be moved this summer.