Intangibles and heart =/= goon. Give me a couple guys like McCarty, Lapointe, etc who can actually play the game and will fight and I'll be happy. I have no use for a guy like Orr who can't take a regular shift.
Strange thing is he was pretty good when he was younger. Than just dropped off or something. Or other teams gang up our D because, with the exception of a few, none of them seem to handle pressure well
Do you recall who his d partners were? Lindstrom and Rafalski
I don't recall this Lindstrom guy, but Ericsson didn't play with Rafalski. He was generally on the 3rd pair. Lidstrom-Rafalski, Kronwall-Stuart, Ericsson-XXXX
What high standards? They didn't make the playoffs. Maybe if we didn't make the playoffs Holland would be gone.
Don't know what the pizza-induced coma comment is about. You know that he's dealing with colon cancer. And, also, you know that Ilitch's son took over long ago.
Most people here would call this season a success. Most Boston fans wouldn't. And they only finished a few points behind us. That's why I'm saying they have higher standards. So did we at one time when we were Cup contenders. They've been Cup contenders for the last 5 years.
Holland would not be gone if we missed the playoffs. Ilitch will never fire Kenny. Neither will his son.
In playoffs, out of playoffs. A few points matter.
I honestly think the Wings didn't look enough into his character and (lack of) intelligence before they used a first round pick on him.
While it's tough to get a totally accurate read on an 18 year-old kid from Combine interviews, talking to coaches, etc., I'm sure the signs of immaturity were already there before draft day.
Larkin is the best bet to be a #1 center. If they have 2 high end wings, they can get away with a bit lesser center, like the Ducks had with Kariya-Rucchin-Selanne, but I'd feel better with a better center than Sheahan.
With Mantha, Larkin, Athanasiou, Tatar, Nyquist, Jurco, Sheahan, they should be able to come up with 2 pretty good lines though.
Lots of guys work their asses off. That doesn't mean that they're good hockey players. And who cares about celebrating Colton Orr, he's not a Wing, he's never been a Wing, and never will be a Wing, and on top of that he sucks. If you like goons so much, I suggest you just follow Brian Burke around and root for his teams. He seems to be the only one who still thinks goons have a place in the league.
Weiss's value in Detroit is going to be heavily dependent on what Babcock does. If there's a new coach who will play him at center with some skilled players instead off where ever there's a guy out of the lineup, Weiss is going to provide value. If Babcock is back and he's going to keep using him the way he is now, Weiss has very little value and needs to be moved for whatever they can get.
I think that the only way Phaneuf is coming here is if the Leafs retain a good chunk of his cap hit, which they've said they won't. He's a good player, but that contract is poisonous, about $2 mil too much and too many years.
Kings have played more hockey than any other team plus they've lost their Voynov replacement and are playing in the toughest division too.
Wings lost a ton of stars and kept going. Kings lose one guy and miss the playoffs.
I am a die hard wings fan, have been since the north stars left MN. If howard starts in goal, series will be real short! Just got to be honest, he hasn't done anything else but prove that his inconsistency has gotten worse over the last few years and it's time to get rid of him.