Just trying to make the point that just because he was -2 doesn't mean he's the worst player ever and since the best player we had in the game also was -2 it probably shouldn't be used as a "omg cleary sux."
I agree he's playing for a job and if he wants one he needs to play well, but a stat line that says -2 doesn't tell me anything about how he personally played.
I want hits, fighting just good oldschool hockey but I also want a team that sticks up for each other and some on ice police. Last season Pasha has been out with a concussion, this (early) pre-season with a seperated shoulder. Is it really that hard to understand that I want someone to keep the other team honest ?
Heck it doesn't even need to be a fight you check our star/young/small players hard we are going to do the same to you and here comes the problem...after Kronwall deleted Kronwalled from his dictionary the Wings aren't even doing that and it pisses me off. Scuderi is a big kid he can take a hard hit I admit he is very good at hitting hard and clean but that shouldn't exclude him from getting hit in the same manner too.
In that case I misunderstood what you meant. I'm all for hard hitting hockey. I love it. I live for it. I just hate the stupid revenge fights on clean plays.
Some people don't get it and will never get it. Maybe once Pasha, Z and Danny are out for a longer period of time, some wwill finally understand easy point but I doubt it so whatever.
Like I've said do that against Kessel and the story ends with Scuderi leaving the ice very soon... but now Pasha - our best player by far - is out for at least a month and Scuderi is still fine.
One of my biggest problem with the game today is all the bs "revenge" for clean hits. He got him in a bad spot and hit him hard, but it was clean. Sometimes you get hit, sometimes you get hurt. There was 0 on the play to take issue with. If you really think we should have enforcers to stop the other team from hitting us you need a reality check. You want no hits and fights? Go watch soccer and then boxing. Pretend it's one sport.
First of all a logjam of good talent is never a bad thing it's the logjam caused by guys like cleary that are the problem. Second I'm a realist and there's literally 100% no way all of those young guys will make impacts in the team. I believe in sproul and oullete the most a bit in marchenko and very in little in the rest.
I still think Backman is going to surprise a lot of people.
Playing hardball with the future of your defense and a local boy wowGood do I miss the Holland of 2001 and the late 90s that's was a GM deserving the titles mastermind and best GM in all of hockey
You mean the pre salary cap Ken Holland? The one with unlimited resources to get whoever he wanted?
He's trying to get him on a good contact. It's hard because of the circumstances. What do you pay a top 4 young defenseman who wasn't drafted, came out of college, and has only played like 80 NHL games? Who knows. My guess is around 3 million on a 2 or 3 year deal. But it's not that easy. And how do you know Holland is the one paying hardball? He could be offering good deals and DK could be turning them down. Who knows what's going on.
It's even earlier than I thought so color me surprised at least people who thought the Wings would have a perfectly healthy roster now get a much needed dose of reality.
The second best defender on the not healthy and the soon best defender not signed yet good times, good times
As for Alfie I like the idea of signing him later if he is healthy if not he should sign a 1 day contract with the Senators and retire there.
Please find me one post where someone expects us to be perfectly healthy. Please. I've heard lots of "helthier than last year" and "injuries can't beas bad as they were" but I don't think even the most negative of us had expected the team to be perfectly healthy.
I'm not okay with Abby there either. He's a 4th liner, 3rd at best. But no, Jurco isn't ready. And yes, Jurco put up a 34 point pace against much lesser competition vs abbys 33 point pace against top line competition. CLEARLY this means Jurco should be there. What was I thinking? Excuse my ignorance.
And Kip, did you watch the last few games before the olympic break when Gus and Z played together? The chemistry and puck movement was insane. Z and pav like. So why not have two extremely dunamic duos on the ice at the same time? We wouldn't need to grind it out much because we'd always have the puck.
If you want to change the dynamic of the attack, you don't do that by putting one guy thats going to go to the net on each line. You put two on one line. Franzen and Jurco can both play down low. Put them together. Putting Jurco on the top line now could actually kill that line (not to mention the kids confidence) just as much as abby has.
Hmm, that's not bad, although I'd have to say, a bit of a waste having Sheahan at wing. He was good on draws and plays an excellent two way game, which is far more important at C than it is at wing. Plus, he;s got good size.
Am I the only one that doesn't think Jurco is ready for a top line role yet? I get that he's a better option than Abby but I think he's still not quite ready for that role.
You're right someone was good 10, 15 or 20 years ago so they must still be good now!
Howe can prolly still play let's sign him up.
If they're close in skill level, tie goes to the guy that's proven he can play at that level in the nhl consistently. How is that hard for you to understand? If a young gun is a clearly better hockey player he'll get a bigger role. If you want to watch a tie go to a young player I'd advise watching more oiler games.
Because vets can't go to the minors... and their veterans of the team, they get seniority and thus win ties. It's no longer a tie and rightly so Babs has said certain vets have lost their jobs.
No, the point you were trying to make was that Cleary would slot in on the 1st line with Dats and Z over all our other good players... not that Cleary was taking a fourth line spot from Callahan or somebody. It's a completely different point and argument.
Not to mention that they're vets because they've already proven themselves over the course of their careers.