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In Topic: more NHL wisdom: Chris Pronger may work for Dept of Player Safety

08 October 2014 - 07:47 PM

In the article the guy from Yahoo speculates that he could recuse himself from any discipline involving the Flyers.  He apparently has no function within the organization other than being a player on LTIR. 

 

I can't see the league approving him being both on LTIR for the Flyers and paying him to be on the disciplinary committee.  Maybe this is a move to get him off the books in Philly? 

 

Pronger is due $5 million this season, so I don't know why he'd give that up and take a job within the league unless they were forcing him off LTIR or allowing him to collect two paychecks.  The next year though it goes down to $575k, which is still a chunk of change but is a much smaller gap between that and what his NHL salary would be. 

 

I'm not sure how it would work to get him off the books in Philly.

 

He's on a 35+ contract, so CBA says they take the cap hit for the duration even if he retires, so unless Snider has weaseled into a retirement due to career ending injury that would allow him to move Pronger's cap hit to LTIR for 2 more seasons, can't see how it helps Philly.

 

Holmgren, when he was still GM, made a comment a while back to the effect that Pronger would never play again. I wonder if this is to appease anyone for the blatant 'circumvention' of the CBA's intent (i.e. what got NJ in trouble with Kovalchuk originally).


In Topic: 23 man roster set... say hi to your 2014/15 Wings

08 October 2014 - 02:41 PM

 

To be fair, I wouldn't want to put a lipstick wearing pig on their line, either. Like I said in my previous post, I hate Abdelkader there. What I'm pointing out is that people going on about him being in the top 6 - the idea of the top 6 is being weeded out all over. Given the current roster, I'd much rather see something along the lines of:

 

Z-Datsyuk-Jurco

Mule-Weiss-Nyquist
Tatar-Sheahan-Abdelkader
Miller-Helm-Glendening

I think that works the same way - using Jurco as a puck-retrieval/net presence guy. You're still rolling three scoring lines, and keeping pairings that have been proven to work in the past. Problem is, Babcock won't trust Jurco in that situation, and Holland doesn't want to foot the bill next season after his numbers (in theory) blow up.

For the record, I think the team falling out of contender status has more to do with hanging onto assets that aren't of value anymore, and not filling in voids on the blueline. I believe that misusing Abdelkader is an issue, but hardly the most pressing one.

 

I don't think the idea of a 'top-6' is being 'weeded' out of the NHL at all. The roles of the bottom six are evolving with the game, but having a solid top 6 is as important now as it ever was. The shift is towards puck possession and deeper teams see an opportunity to field a third scoring line. Right now, teams fall into three categories - those that can skate a third scoring line, those that think they can, & those that can't. Chicago is a go. Pittsburgh tries, but struggles. St. Louis doesn't even really try.

 

In the world of third scoring lines, Detroit should be great - Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco. [Not saying some of these guys won't develop into top 6 talent, but right now - they would easily be an above average third line] That would/could give them a fourth (shutdown) line of Glendening-Helm-Abdelkader which is also solid by NHL standards (could be a little bigger, but 'eh not-so-bad). The problem is that they don't have the personnel in the top 6 to allow for it...

 

If we ignore injuries for a minute, Zetterberg and Datsyuk are clear first liners. There's no power forward for them to skate with, though. Mantha will fill that role eventually, but he's not ready even if he wasn't injured and the packed roster also makes it difficult for him to slide in this season. It would be nice to give him a little time to develop at the NHL level, too, before burdening him with the expectations of the franchise, but how long with Z and Dats really be there? The second line is a mess, if I'm being honest. Weiss should be a decent #2 pivot, when he's healthy. Detroit took a shot signing him and to-date the experiment has failed. Franzen has had flashes but he can also be lazy for long periods. Nyquist has the upside on this line, but he's also set up to drop off a bit this year. I think it's tough to expect him to keep a 20% shooting pace. [Note: I'm not saying Nyquist will 'fail', just not shoot 20%. I think he's more than capable of second line points - 40-60.]

 

Now if we apply the current state (based on dailyfaceoff lines)... We're likely scratching Weiss and Datsyuk starts off injured meaning 2 guys are 'out-of-position' playing up on the first line with Z (Abdelkader and Franzen) and our third line is rounding out our top 6 which while above average for a third scoring line will likely be out-matched as a second line.

 

This is why I've become disenchanted with Kenny Holland. He relies on the fact that Babs can (and will) get a little extra and doesn't address holes until it's too late. We need a power forward up front. Either clear the way for Mantha or go get us one.


In Topic: 23 man roster set... say hi to your 2014/15 Wings

07 October 2014 - 03:56 PM

I'm not surprised at all. Holland hit the easy button. When Dats is ready, Jurco will go to GR. This pushes the real decision making into the season.

 

I think that's where the fun begins. I'm hoping for at least a couple of trades to open up some roster slots. I don't think there are any 'easy' trades, but I hope Holland has a better appreciation of which youngsters are developing where they need to be and who is truly expendable.

 

I'm also already interested to see how the roster develops towards next season. Cleary's the only projected UFA (pray to god he's gone) along with Gustavson, so we still need some permanent slots to bring up Jurco, Ouellet and Mantha and any other potential developments. Holland should have a challenging year a big opportunity to show why he got his extension!


In Topic: Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

07 October 2014 - 07:38 AM

Writing a guy off without barely playing is the smart thing to do especially when he's a proven player. Good job.
 

 

Isn't the thread about Weiss starting the season as a healthy scratch? How is that not 'writing a guy off without barely playing'?

 

Weiss has a NMC (according to capgeek), so an AHL assignment (or even waivers) is likely out of the question. He also has a modified NTC, but maybe he could be moved. Teams are going to look at the fact that he hasn't been healthy for two seasons, though, and his contract is structured such that he makes $6M a year in real salary the next two years. It's not an easy sell. At the end of the day, if a $5M/yr player is a healthy scratch - management is going to have some roster problems. He's paid to be in the lineup when he's not injured. He's not going to 'gain confidence', 'learn the system', 'develop chemistry' or lots of other things sitting in the press box.


In Topic: Blast from the Past

07 October 2014 - 07:21 AM

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