Fire Holland? Fire Battman, Fire this, fire that.... HA!
If Detroit Red Wings or/and the league itself, are to be managed by majority vote on this board or any other group of random people for that matter, there would be no NHL, no Red Wings.... and no this board
Thats funny, considering you emphatically state over and over that, and I quote, "owners need more money to cover increased expenses".
So even though you admittedly have absolutely no clue what the expenses are, your argument is that you just somehow know that the increased expenses are so severe that they require a nearly 50% rollback of player salaries over the last 2 CBAs while revenues simultaneously have risen by over 50%.
You took my arguments out of context.
You keep saying what union's reps were says, and I keep saying what league's were saying. However, my talks are funny and have no ground while yours are universaly known truth.
I said I haven't seen teams financial statement, but PA saw them for sure. However, they don't argue expense increase, they argue how much...
I am still trying to figure out where he demonstrated a hate for unions. It certainly wasn't said in this thread. At least I don't see it.
I once said: 'yes, I dislike unions in general' English is obviously not my native language, but I'd never thought dislike is a synonym for hate. Well, I also dislike milk. Or should I now hate it?
In reality, both sides are at fault, with the NHL being more at fault for being pricks than the NHLPA. In the end, neither are willing to budge from their positions. ...
Although, prick is not a term used in negotiation, I'd disagree NHL is more pricks. I don't see any reasonable function of PA in todays world. Who is Don Fehr? Does he play professional hockey? Or does he run a bussness, or manage proffesional hockey organization?
Oh, yes he protects players rights as a group. Not to mentioned an army of agents and lawyers who are also protecting rights, our poor players are left unprotected. I'm crying...
Lets tell Parise hisf****** rights were brutally violated by Minissota Wild... And that poor guy Weber, he's left rotten under the sun by Nashvill Predators... I'm still crying...
What does it matter when they were "Ready for negotiation?" There's been plenty of time to negotiate this past week and they haven't been doing it.
We're three days from the lockout and they're still not even talking about the same core issue. It's not about the timeline.
Of course it is about timeline. I can reasonably assume, NHL offer would be the same in January, can't I? Then, instead of having 4-5 weeks to ping-pong offers, they would have 30+ weeks. However, PA decided to play blitz.
Any time someone uses the term "learning curve" in describing your level of knowledge, they're not giving you a compliment...
This guy Donald Fehr knows exactly what he wants though, he's well past that learning curve:
- money: "A salary of $3 million per year to run through completion of collective bargaining after the current CBA expires following the 2011-12 season." - money: "A salary of $1.5 million for the remainder of this year." - money for his little brother: "Approval to hire his brother, Steve, who is currently special counsel to the MLBPA (after 23 years as outside counsel), to an executive position." - end even more money in the future: "Permission to co-author a book about baseball with Steve.", "Permission to open a consulting firm, though with the express stipulation that his first priority at all times will be the NHLPA."
i have to admit among his demands were a few hockey/players related.
Never underestimate the greed from some of the billionairesunion leaders it is very sad. Another lockout would be a killer but I am prepared for every outcome. Will watch AHL, SEL, SWISS league and KHL if it really comes to another one.