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#2437149 Preseason Game #1: First Impressions

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 17 September 2013 - 10:15 AM

Sammy has no excuse to be rusty. Sitting out the last part of the season for a pectoral issue, he better have been busting you-know-what to get in game shape. I've got a bad feeling (not based just on one preseason game) that we're going to have the same problems as last year with some line combinations and players. I hope Babcock isn't too loyal to Sammy and Cleary if they can't pull their own weight.

I agree. I am actually hoping very hard that Bert brings the Weiss and Alfie line some chemistry and "demotes" Franzen. If that happens, most likely Cleary will be placed on the 3rd line (if Abby does well on the top line) and Sammy dropped to the 4th line. Like this:






Tootoo, Miller


Nyquist/Tatar have very good chances to move up into the top six when injuries inevitably occur. I DO NOT want to see Cleary on the top line and only want Franzen there as a last ditch effort (one minute left, down by a goal, goalie pulled). If Franzen is on the top line we move from a 3 line team to a 1.5 line team very quickly.


Emmerton plays in GR/gets traded, Eaves is dropped, and someone not dressed or on the 4th line is moved. I would actually prefer Eaves to stay as one of the undressed players (righty, good one-timer, great PK) but Miller is too similar of a player and is actually better on PK. And with the extension Holland has made his choice. I still like Tootoo as an option against teams playing heavy with similar players (Philly, Chicago, Boston) even though little to no offense will come from him, scoring chances and stars on the other team keeping their eyes on him and off the puck might give the Wings a slight edge. Plus, in the East, there is more "running around" by the pesky players and a "sheriff" is needed on every team. The Wings will see more teams built in the traditonally Burkian™ style in the East and it will be more physical. Tootoo is good to have around.

#2436232 Cleary re-signs with Detroit, 1 year, $1.75m deal

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 12 September 2013 - 01:46 PM

I'm going to vent my anger in this post and leave it at that. I can't control the team in any way and I have to get over that and just try to not swear in front of my children when a player I think shouldn't be on the team fouls up.


Dan Cleary shouldn't be a Red Wing right now. I don't care how much he loves the organization. I don't care if he got the fictional "hometown discount." This is a business and he got what he got because that is what he is worth in the real world. Teams overpay for UFAs all the time because they think that they will be a cure-all for their problem (Leino, Suter & Parise, etc). Philly almost proved that point the way I understand the situation. The fans on BOTH the Flyers and Wings side were crying/laughing about the deal. "OVERPAYMENT!" they shouted with anger/glee. This is an unbiased assessment of Cleary's worth. His UFA price was too high. So, he took a "discount" and stayed with the Wings. And we talk of loyalty.


KH knows he is over the player limit and signed a player. That is not a good environment for the other forwards. Don't get me wrong, there should be competition in camp and players shouldn't be under the impression that they have a guranteed spot on the 3rd or 4th lines. I shouldn't be able to tell you who will be on the 3rd and 4th lines right now and neither should Holland and Babcock. But for some reason, I can fill 2 of those 6 slots right now. Sammy and Cleary.


No 3rd or 4th liner should have an NTC. NTCs should be for top tier guys so they will be not be uprooted by their org. and moved to Winnepeg so their previous team can get some young talent and do a rebuild. The majority of the 3rd and 4th lines in this organization with this cap should be reserved for youth. Guys being brought up from GR to fill in for injuries and during other 3rd and 4th liner slumps. This is the biggest flaw with Sammy's contract. The price was decent and length is OK. He was OK in VAN. Good enough to put with the Sedins on occasion. The Wings needed a righty and knew what kind of player he is. Not a bad signing. Better than the Cleary signing IMO. We know Cleary is on the decline and still signed him. But now we need players (older players) to leave and make room for youth (Tatar, Nyquist) and they can't be moved.


At least two of these things WILL happen:


- Bert dropped

- Tootoo dropped to GR/traded

- Tatar traded

- Nyquist (Datsyuk 2.0) plays in GR until an injury

- Eaves traded (EDIT: Forgot him)


IMO, if I could, I would get rid of Sammy and Cleary. It won't happen. So we are left with the above scenarios. In all honesty, the thing I don't want to happen will most likely happen. Tootoo will be traded and Nyquist will play in GR. If Helm continues to have issues, we MIGHT not lose Tatar to a trade. But if Helm plays, Tatar is gone. IMO the Wings have 3 NHL-caliber players that have had playing time that they can get offers for on the block: Emmerton, Nyquist, and Tatar. Emmerton will be in GR, and I think Nyquist is too good to be traded after last season. That leaves Tatar to be offered up to make room for Cleary and Sammy, following Tootoo being dealt to NSH for picks. That's how it has to be now.


On top of it all, we get older, smaller, softer, and slower. And we get to play in the East.


Ok, I'm done. In Kenny I trust... I guess.

#2436111 Rookie you're most looking forward to watching this season

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 12 September 2013 - 10:54 AM

Tatar is going to be traded. Cleary just finalized that.

#2434538 USA Olympic '14 Jerseys

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 31 August 2013 - 04:02 PM

I like the runner-up jersey design better. 



#2433986 Keep Tootoo, Drop Cleary

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 23 August 2013 - 09:33 PM

Since some people seem to be confused with the thread title, I officially re-dub it: 


Keep Tootoo, Please Kenny DO NOT Sign UFA Cleary As Some Media Outlets Have Reported That You Wish To Do Because He Is A Drain On The Team And The Cap And Tootoo Would Be Better For The Team On The Fourth Line Than Cleary Would Be On The Third.

#2433439 So the consensus on Shanny's #14 is a no?

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 16 August 2013 - 11:42 AM

I know that this is off topic (kinda) but the only retired player that is a former Wing that fulfills all of my personal requirements for a number retirement (games played, personal accomplishments, Stanley Cups, standing with fans, and ability to steal games) is...





I know what's coming...


... and let me preface this in saying that I do not think that this will happen...




Chris Osgood. 

#2432583 So the consensus on Shanny's #14 is a no?

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 06 August 2013 - 06:02 AM




Name one that Delvechhio won.

Ok, here's his Wikipedia page summarized down to the reasons he is up there and Shanny won't be. Bolded areas are of particular distinction. 


He would go on to excel both at centre and left wing for twenty-two full seasons and parts of two others, and was notable for his spot on the Production line. No player except Nicklas Lidström in NHL history played more games with just the one team. One of the true gentlemen in the game of hockey, he was a three-time winner of the Lady Byng Trophy for combining good sportsmanship with excellence on the ice. 

Following his retirement as a player in 1973—having, at the time, played the second most games and with the second highest assist and point totals in league history

At the time of his retirement, he ranked second in nearly every significant offensive category in Red Wings history behind only Howe. He has since been passed in most of those categories by Steve Yzerman, but only Howe and Lidström have played more games as a Red Wing.


So besides the 3 Lady Byngs and being basically the second greatest non-goaltending Red Wing (behind his linemate Gordie Freakin' Howe) until Yzerman and Lidstrom finished their careers he has no other reason to be up there. 

#2430371 Best Hitter on the Team

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 16 July 2013 - 02:54 PM

Most entertaining: *Kronwall


Most effective over the course of a game: Abby


Person I wouldn't want to be hit by: Tootoo


Best overall (considering being caught out of position the least, effectiveness, game-changing ability, legality / form, and overall impact): *Kronwall


* he has his own verb

#2430044 Henrik and Pavel

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 14 July 2013 - 03:34 PM

Honestly, the ridiculous standards that some Wings fans hold up for number retirement these days, we'd better un-retire Lindsay, Delvecchio and Abel, because they don't qualify.  Hell, even Yzerman, he's not all-NHL all-time quality, so he doesn't count either.  Just Sawchuk, Howe and Lidstrom it is.


IMO, Datsyuk is a yes.  4 more seasons and he will be ~1050 points, more than Ullman, Lindsay, Fedorov, Abel etc and good for 5th all time in Wings scoring (only Howe, Yzerman, Lidstrom and Delvecchio will have more)....throw in (at least) 3 Selkes, 4 Lady Byngs, 2 Stanley Cups and an incredible human-highlight-reel style of play and I don't see how you can say no.


Zetterberg is going to be borderline.  A lot depends on how his health holds up, and what he achieves in the 2nd half of his career.  He could easily accumulate 1000+ points, but he might need a bit more silverware.


Fedorov, by any measure should be straight up there.............except for the manner of his departure.  That was one reason why I hoped he would come back late in his career, so he could have a rapproachment with the fans/management.  Hopefully he'll appear in one of the legends games at the WC to begin his rehabilitation.

It's not ALWAYS about stats. Darren McCarty has 4 Cups and 2 of the biggest goals in modern Wings history (3/26/97 OT winner and 97 Cup winner) and the Lemieux beatdown. He has a place of honor with fans but his number will never be retired. 


This is where Pavel and Hank currently sit. Honored but not legendary. 


Now if they could retire gloves then Pavel's would be in the rafters. 

#2429986 kronner a #1?

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 14 July 2013 - 09:03 AM

If he's not top ten...who all is better than him? Go!

Ill say Doughty, Subban, Chara, Weber, Suter, Karlsson...

You're hilarious. 

#2429985 Henrik and Pavel

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 14 July 2013 - 09:01 AM

I think that Datsyuk and Zetterberg have not accomplished enough to have their numbers retired. At this point neither of them are on par even with Fedorov in terms of accomplishments and Fedorov's number will not be retired. Neither will Shanahan, Larionov, or even Osgood. And they have more Cups and personal accomplishments. 


I think if the Wings were a less storied franchise and didn't have Howe, Sawchuck, and Lindsay up in the rafters right now they would have a better chance. But this isn't Columbus or Buffalo. Detroit has had giants, and while Datsyuk and Z have been huge for their team, they are not HUGE like those other names. 

#2425580 Help on "D" - Kenny should be calling Boston

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 03 July 2013 - 07:31 PM


Pass. He got beat up by Crosby for God's sake. 

#2425260 The Overreaction Thread

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 03 July 2013 - 08:10 AM

What do you mean when he blows up?



He is referring to the fact that Smith is likely to spontaneously combust at some point next season.

If by "spontaneously combust" you mean become a defensive liability via turnovers and poor decision making with pinches and passes, then yes, he will burst into flames. 

#2422133 Hypothetical - Crosby soon to be a Wing. Who do you give up?

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 25 June 2013 - 09:58 AM

3rd one. 


Smith is a train wreck. 


Helm may never play at top level again. 


Mrazek hurts, but it's acceptable with a young Howie and McCollum still in development. 


Nyquist really hurts since he is Datsyuk's replacement.


Dekeyser is our defensive future with Smith showing his true form last season so it hurts the most, but we can survive on trades and Kindl for a few seasons. 


Can't go Option 1 cause we can't lose Kronwall AND Nyquist. 


Can't go Option 2 because we lose too much with 3 prospects going. Dats in a Pens jersey also makes me throw up in my mouth. 

#2416939 Who Do You Want to Win the Cup?

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 01 June 2013 - 09:49 PM

I vote Boston because: 


1. I hate Chicago and their "fans" who think their team is a legit dynasty even though most of them can't name who was captain before Toews. 


2. I hate Pittsburgh, their fans, Crosby, Malkin, Iginla, and the homerism of NBC. 


3. I don't want another team to win back-to-back Cups unless it's the Wings. 


And the city of Boston could use some good feelings.