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#2433439 So the consensus on Shanny's #14 is a no?

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 16 August 2013 - 11:42 AM

I know that this is off topic (kinda) but the only retired player that is a former Wing that fulfills all of my personal requirements for a number retirement (games played, personal accomplishments, Stanley Cups, standing with fans, and ability to steal games) is...

 

...

 

 

I know what's coming...

 

... and let me preface this in saying that I do not think that this will happen...

 

...

 

Chris Osgood. 




#2432583 So the consensus on Shanny's #14 is a no?

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 06 August 2013 - 06:02 AM

 

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Name one that Delvechhio won.

Ok, here's his Wikipedia page summarized down to the reasons he is up there and Shanny won't be. Bolded areas are of particular distinction. 

 

He would go on to excel both at centre and left wing for twenty-two full seasons and parts of two others, and was notable for his spot on the Production line. No player except Nicklas Lidström in NHL history played more games with just the one team. One of the true gentlemen in the game of hockey, he was a three-time winner of the Lady Byng Trophy for combining good sportsmanship with excellence on the ice. 

Following his retirement as a player in 1973—having, at the time, played the second most games and with the second highest assist and point totals in league history

At the time of his retirement, he ranked second in nearly every significant offensive category in Red Wings history behind only Howe. He has since been passed in most of those categories by Steve Yzerman, but only Howe and Lidström have played more games as a Red Wing.

 

So besides the 3 Lady Byngs and being basically the second greatest non-goaltending Red Wing (behind his linemate Gordie Freakin' Howe) until Yzerman and Lidstrom finished their careers he has no other reason to be up there. 




#2430371 Best Hitter on the Team

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 16 July 2013 - 02:54 PM

Most entertaining: *Kronwall

 

Most effective over the course of a game: Abby

 

Person I wouldn't want to be hit by: Tootoo

 

Best overall (considering being caught out of position the least, effectiveness, game-changing ability, legality / form, and overall impact): *Kronwall

 

* he has his own verb




#2430044 Henrik and Pavel

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 14 July 2013 - 03:34 PM

Honestly, the ridiculous standards that some Wings fans hold up for number retirement these days, we'd better un-retire Lindsay, Delvecchio and Abel, because they don't qualify.  Hell, even Yzerman, he's not all-NHL all-time quality, so he doesn't count either.  Just Sawchuk, Howe and Lidstrom it is.

 

IMO, Datsyuk is a yes.  4 more seasons and he will be ~1050 points, more than Ullman, Lindsay, Fedorov, Abel etc and good for 5th all time in Wings scoring (only Howe, Yzerman, Lidstrom and Delvecchio will have more)....throw in (at least) 3 Selkes, 4 Lady Byngs, 2 Stanley Cups and an incredible human-highlight-reel style of play and I don't see how you can say no.

 

Zetterberg is going to be borderline.  A lot depends on how his health holds up, and what he achieves in the 2nd half of his career.  He could easily accumulate 1000+ points, but he might need a bit more silverware.

 

Fedorov, by any measure should be straight up there.............except for the manner of his departure.  That was one reason why I hoped he would come back late in his career, so he could have a rapproachment with the fans/management.  Hopefully he'll appear in one of the legends games at the WC to begin his rehabilitation.

It's not ALWAYS about stats. Darren McCarty has 4 Cups and 2 of the biggest goals in modern Wings history (3/26/97 OT winner and 97 Cup winner) and the Lemieux beatdown. He has a place of honor with fans but his number will never be retired. 

 

This is where Pavel and Hank currently sit. Honored but not legendary. 

 

Now if they could retire gloves then Pavel's would be in the rafters. 




#2429986 kronner a #1?

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 14 July 2013 - 09:03 AM

If he's not top ten...who all is better than him? Go!

Ill say Doughty, Subban, Chara, Weber, Suter, Karlsson...

You're hilarious. 




#2429985 Henrik and Pavel

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 14 July 2013 - 09:01 AM

I think that Datsyuk and Zetterberg have not accomplished enough to have their numbers retired. At this point neither of them are on par even with Fedorov in terms of accomplishments and Fedorov's number will not be retired. Neither will Shanahan, Larionov, or even Osgood. And they have more Cups and personal accomplishments. 

 

I think if the Wings were a less storied franchise and didn't have Howe, Sawchuck, and Lindsay up in the rafters right now they would have a better chance. But this isn't Columbus or Buffalo. Detroit has had giants, and while Datsyuk and Z have been huge for their team, they are not HUGE like those other names. 




#2425580 Help on "D" - Kenny should be calling Boston

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 03 July 2013 - 07:31 PM

Ference?

Pass. He got beat up by Crosby for God's sake. 




#2425260 The Overreaction Thread

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 03 July 2013 - 08:10 AM

What do you mean when he blows up?

 

 

He is referring to the fact that Smith is likely to spontaneously combust at some point next season.

If by "spontaneously combust" you mean become a defensive liability via turnovers and poor decision making with pinches and passes, then yes, he will burst into flames. 




#2422133 Hypothetical - Crosby soon to be a Wing. Who do you give up?

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 25 June 2013 - 09:58 AM

3rd one. 

 

Smith is a train wreck. 

 

Helm may never play at top level again. 

 

Mrazek hurts, but it's acceptable with a young Howie and McCollum still in development. 

 

Nyquist really hurts since he is Datsyuk's replacement.

 

Dekeyser is our defensive future with Smith showing his true form last season so it hurts the most, but we can survive on trades and Kindl for a few seasons. 

 

Can't go Option 1 cause we can't lose Kronwall AND Nyquist. 

 

Can't go Option 2 because we lose too much with 3 prospects going. Dats in a Pens jersey also makes me throw up in my mouth. 




#2421443 Ilitch reveals plan for new $450m, 18,000-seat Red Wings arena

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 22 June 2013 - 10:33 PM

I was hoping for a smaller venue. The most intimidating and loudest arenas are always smaller. Plus, as someone already stated, it will look fuller. 

 

Hopefully they will reset season ticket holders so more people will get a chance. Or do a raffle so real fans and not corporations will buy the lower bowl tickets. I'm pretty sure that current season ticket holders think what I just said isn't fair, but not having a chance at all isn't fair either.

 

As for the name, Olympia has the naming rights so if they do sell it they will retain control of who buys it. So I don't think it's going to be Booking.com Arena. If anything maybe Amway Arena or keep it in the family and go Little Caesar's Coliseum, or maybe even go old school-ish and call it the Olympia Center. 

 

Would be cool to see a Detroit based company buy the name though. 




#2416939 Who Do You Want to Win the Cup?

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 01 June 2013 - 09:49 PM

I vote Boston because: 

 

1. I hate Chicago and their "fans" who think their team is a legit dynasty even though most of them can't name who was captain before Toews. 

 

2. I hate Pittsburgh, their fans, Crosby, Malkin, Iginla, and the homerism of NBC. 

 

3. I don't want another team to win back-to-back Cups unless it's the Wings. 

 

And the city of Boston could use some good feelings. 




#2416645 Dekeyser on his way to Grand Rapids

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 31 May 2013 - 06:44 PM

I love this guy! We need more gamers like Howard, Smith Nyquist, and Dekeyser.

Fixed that for you.




#2406504 Trade Smith ASAP!

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 18 May 2013 - 12:39 PM

Short of him winning the Conn Smythe there is nothing he can do to redeem himself for the extraordinary amount of WTF moments he has had this post-season. 

 

He is the weakest D-man on the team, he is a PK-making machine, doesn't use his size, doesn't make good passes, and when he tried to be offensive he gives the puck away. 

 

Cut him loose and get what you can for him. He is a dime-a-dozen player. 




#2386732 Tatar frustrated; says he will only play in NHL when contract done

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 19 April 2013 - 12:07 PM

Tatar > Cleary

Kindl > Smith




#2382945 Official: Howard signs 6-year, $31.8m contract extension

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 11 April 2013 - 12:06 PM

Goalies should never have contracts longer than 3 years.