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#2530745 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by kipwinger on 09 July 2014 - 09:28 AM

Everybody realizes that just because a team asks for something in a trade doesn't mean they'll get it right?  And also, even if they don't get it, that doesn't mean the trade won't happen?

 

Dallas just gave up a worse player than our young guys (Chaisson) for a better player than Green (Spezza) on an expiring contract.  Why does anyone think that we'd give one of our young guns for a worse player than Spezza (Green) on a worse contract?  Ken Holland has shown an unwillingness to be proactive in player acquisition.  He has not shown symptoms of early onset Alzheimer's Disease.

 

They can ask all they want, they'll likely not get one of those guys in return.  And that will likely not stop them from trading Green anyway.  If they want to trade him to another team, one who IS willing to give top young talent for injury prone 2nd pair defensemen on expiring contracts, then more power to them.  But I suspect finding GMs that stupid will prove more difficult than they think. 




#2530410 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by nawein on 07 July 2014 - 12:58 PM

Or he could build a solid young core capable of winning Stanley Cups in the future while still making the playoffs and being competitive every year. Which sounds a lot harder than either of your extremes. Which he's currently and has been doing for the last few years.


#2529985 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by darkmanx on 04 July 2014 - 02:57 PM

Yup great logic by the way.

 

To be fair your argument makes no sense.

 

You are comparing Quincey signing to Legwand signing and they don't even play the same position, not to mention we don't need anymore centers especially ones that won't be utilized correctly (Babcock putting him on 4th line in the playoffs  :no:  )




#2529283 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by joesuffP on 02 July 2014 - 02:07 AM

Can't compare teams that have a bunch of top 5 draft picks. We just had our highest since 91. We never started with guys like Kane, Toews and Doughty. Things were way rougher for them before there success as well. If we can get back to elite without becoming a bottom feeder then Holland is a genius


#2529266 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by RusDRW on 02 July 2014 - 12:38 AM

I'm not mad at KH not signing one year wonders like Niskanen or aging guys like Boyle. We don't need them in fact and could have regretted these deal. 

 

I'm not mad at KH for signing Quickey. He is top 4.

 

I'm mad at filling the roster with Kindls and Lashoffs and not being able to trade them for something meaningful. Play our youngsters on the D, Sproul, Oulette, Backman, Marchenko.




#2529248 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by gcom007 on 01 July 2014 - 11:43 PM

Really. Because last time I checked, the “cap era” began in 2006 right?
 
2006 - President’s trophy
2007 - WCF
2008 - Stanley Cup champions
2009 - SCF
 
Anyway, you can credit Lidstrom, Bowman, Nill, Captain America, Marion Illitch’s hairdresser, whoever the f***. Doesn’t matter. The results above speak for themselves and they all most definitely happened in the cap era.
 
I know it seems like I’m defending Holland but really I’m not. I’d never dream of it today. I’m just saying there has to be a line of sensible thought drawn through all of this mess, and maybe that starts by toning down the hyperbole.


But you have to admit, those years were unique for the Wings, and the team that had the most success was primarily a team built before the cap. When they got back to playing, they had the benefit of a salary rollback and they were able to buyout some deals that weren't close to reasonable with a cap and keep the core of the team together. Not only that, you had the unexpected rise of Franzen, who had his most success when he was making very little money. Zetterberg wasn't making star money until 2009 I believe despite being a bonafide superstar; wasn't his deal before his current contract for less than $3 million? I want to say $2.2 or $2.8. Either one was well below the value he brought to the team at the time.

But I'm not really trying to take anything away from him so much as not given him too much credit for actually building a cap team, because I don't think he had to start building a legitimate cap team until 2009. You have to admit, he was lucky to have Franzen breakout while making next to no money, and getting away with paying Z less than $3 million throughout that period was of tremendous benefit. With that kind of luck and those RFA deals, there are likely a lot of GMs who could've done less than Holland had to and still had a tremendous amount of success.

I mean, seriously, despite the salary cap and despite having a ton of talent up front, those lingering RFA deals allowed him to sign Hossa to a big 1 year deal in the summer of 2008. That's no small or ordinary thing, especially with no cap hit trickery from a longer deal to lessen the blow. For the team to be as loaded with talent as they were in the cap era and still be able to pull that off seems utterly laughable now, but again, we were lucky to have those lingering RFA deals and Franzen became a beast seemingly out of nowhere for a couple years.

When tougher decisions started having to be made in 2009, that is when the reality of the salary cap started weighing down on how this team would be built, and it's been all downhill since. Every summer since the summer of 2009, he's been caught flat footed and unprepared. Even he has flat out admitted that at times, earlier on though more than in recent years.

So sure, he had great success early on in the cap era, but how much that success had to do with him having to build a team in the cap era and how much it had to do with pure luck, rollbacks and outlandishly amazing value on some RFA deals is debatable. Again, I'm not trying to take anything away from his success at that time, but I also don't think that era represents Holland's ability to build a true cap era team, and I don't think it serves as justification to continue to give him more chances after five years of him failing to address needs and countless flat out bad signings.


#2529236 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by joesuffP on 01 July 2014 - 10:52 PM

Quincey>Lashoff, Kindl

Cap hit is pretty much irrelevant since nobody wants our money. 2 years kind of stings. He had us by the balls but this deal hardly holds us back from improving


#2527822 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by e_prime on 01 July 2014 - 11:53 AM

 

Apparently so was the Boyle signing.  Only I'm not sure who he's romatically linked to. 

Marty St. Louis.




#2527821 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 01 July 2014 - 11:52 AM

 

Well the Erhoff deal was clearly a “sign here for a year for a chance to be Crosby’s boyfriend/win a cup” sort of thing. 

 

Apparently so was the Boyle signing.  Only I'm not sure who he's romatically linked to. 




#2527097 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by FlashyG on 29 June 2014 - 11:15 PM

Yzerman created 6 million in capspace unbelievable

 

Personally I find it far more impressive to not have to sell off guys at bargain prices, that you signed in the first place just to free up cash to do it all over again with different guys.

 

Probably making a push for Boyle and Iginla.




#2526770 Kesler traded to Anaheim

Posted by kipwinger on 29 June 2014 - 12:35 AM

If Holland's scouts are responsible for the picks he made as GM, then' he's responsible for the pics that happened when he was the head of scouting under other GMs.  You know, guys like Fedorov, Osgood, Holmstrom, Lidstrom, Konstantinov, Primeau, Kozlov, Sillinger, Lapointe, Knuble, and McCarty.

 

What a bum. 




#2526395 NHL Draft 2014: First Round

Posted by frankgrimes on 27 June 2014 - 08:04 PM

Wow Jennifer Hedger is hot


#2526121 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Bring Back The Bruise Bros on 27 June 2014 - 12:59 PM

The trade makes me hate Anaheim a little more and hate Vancouver a little less.


#2526054 NHL Draft 2014: First Round

Posted by kipwinger on 27 June 2014 - 08:23 AM

Yeah, I see him trading down.  Someone they like is going to slide down the chart given how bunched together everyone is after the top five or six picks.  I called Kempe a few months ago, and I'm sticking with it.  They'll trade back two or three spots, still get their man, and get a 2nd to replace the one lost in the Legwand clusterf***. 

 

Edit:  Larkin wouldn't be a bad pick either, and he's a center (Tyler Wright seemed to indicate this would matter).  But I'm sticking with Kempe.




#2526025 Teams to be compensated for losing personnel to other teams

Posted by frankgrimes on 27 June 2014 - 12:06 AM

Oh nice. Now that the Hawks and Kings are losing guys, they implement this. Where the hell was this rule 4 years ago when the rest of the league started slurping on Detroit’s teet? 
 
Typical. 
 
One would have to think that sooner or later hockey karma will kick in. 


Wings aren't team Bettman west..