Jump to content


rick zombo's Photo

rick zombo

Member Since 04 Jul 2003
Offline Last Active Yesterday, 11:58 PM
-----

#2532767 Dekeyser/Tatar status update

Posted by toby91_ca on 22 July 2014 - 08:49 AM

I don't think Danny has come close to "earning" the same money Quincey got.  People can argue whether he's just as good or better all they want, but that's not how contracts get done in the NHL at this stage of his career.  If Danny was a star player and clearly better, it would be a different story, but the truth is he is simply one of the guys who is developing and who has some promise and could very likely end up being the better player.

 

Quincey put in many years to get to UFA status, which is what many players work towards and often only get the opportunity to experience once in their careers...that's when they cash in.  If you are Danny, after putting in 70 odd games in NHL and looking to cash in the same way, then I'd be more than a bit annoyed.




#2532756 Alfie wants to play

Posted by Barrie on 21 July 2014 - 11:33 PM

There isn't any room for Alfie. We have $8 Million Cap space left, but once Tatar and DeKeyser sign, we'll have 23 players on the team. Add to that next off season Smith, Nyquist, Jurco, and Andersson are RFA's, with only Cleary and Gus off the books after this year. We need Cap space and spots for our RFA's.

 

When you look at the Wings cap situation and who's an RFA, there was no room for an over priced UFA. Makes the Quincey 2 year deal look that much better, instead of being on the hook for 7 years and almost $6 Million with someone else.




#2532754 'District Detroit': Red Wings' New Arena Details Released

Posted by Seraph on 21 July 2014 - 10:42 PM

I've noticed it's the people in the suburbs who are usually pessimistic about downtown. I've been living here the past two years and it has been a blast. No one here is "waiting for a revival." It's already pretty awesome. I have no doubt these plans will make it better.

 

Here is the view from my apartment and you can see the lots along Woodward where the stadium will stand. You can see the FOX theater sign for a point of reference. I'll post more pictures once they start construction.

 

gallery_2560_86_208368.jpg




#2532552 'District Detroit': Red Wings' New Arena Details Released

Posted by Echolalia on 19 July 2014 - 12:11 PM

The entertainment center (whatever that ends up being) is being built in a great place. Just on the other side of the freeway, it will be able to expand downtown into a currently blighted area, and just about connect the gap between downtown and midtown, which would make that entire stretch of Woodward healthy and thriving. Gilbert has been buying up tons of blighted real estate with his own projects of revitalization in mind, and it finally looks like Detroit has a competent mayor in Duggan, and he's already done a ton for the city in his short time in office. Detroit has been taking it on the chin for years, but we are on our way back up, and there are several dedicated parties looking to make sure these visions are met.

Edit, the post I responded to has been deleted, which makes my post seem kinda random. Anyway, I'm excited about hearing what the details will be about this arena (and entertainment complex), and what it means for the area in general.


#2532528 Hockey News: Detroit has the easiest schedule

Posted by number9 on 18 July 2014 - 10:17 PM

Last year we were hyped for a big comeback season. Then injuries beyond devastated us. Now we're a dark horse. I think that's good for this team. We are more than capable of proving were still contenders


#2532473 Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

Posted by GoWings1905 on 18 July 2014 - 11:31 AM

 
Lol.  You're so cute when you're contradictory.
 
I'll get back to you about this silly debate once I'm done watching youtube videos of Sutter hoisting the Cup for the second time.  Afterward I'll watch Quenneville do it.
 
Be a doll and link me to the video of Babcock hoisting the Cup for the second time will you?


Give Babs either of those rosters and he could easily accomplish that. Sutter is a good coach, but Babs is far superior to Q.


#2532341 Dekeyser/Tatar status update

Posted by hooon on 17 July 2014 - 01:42 PM

I could be way off but I was expecting DD to get around 1.7-2m on a bridge deal, and Tatar to get around 1-1.5 tops. One thing Holland has always been pretty good at is getting our RFAs to sign cheap deals, but it is curious that they're "far apart". 

 

However, this isn't too uncommon for RFA negotiations and really there isn't much risk of losing them, maybe the Wings will have to pay a few hundred K more than they'd like but that's about it.




#2532201 Tomas Jurco's Ridiculous New Stick Trick

Posted by FlashyG on 15 July 2014 - 09:23 PM

As talented as he is, this is what it might look like when Holland and Babs are handing out the roster spots after training camp.

 

cYtVnX1.gif




#2530770 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by krsmith17 on 09 July 2014 - 10:42 AM

How do people not see how special this Jurco kid is going to be? He has a much higher ceiling than Tatar and I would possibly even consider trading Nyquist before Jurco. Kid is going to be unreal.




#2530745 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by kipwinger on 09 July 2014 - 09:28 AM

Everybody realizes that just because a team asks for something in a trade doesn't mean they'll get it right?  And also, even if they don't get it, that doesn't mean the trade won't happen?

 

Dallas just gave up a worse player than our young guys (Chaisson) for a better player than Green (Spezza) on an expiring contract.  Why does anyone think that we'd give one of our young guns for a worse player than Spezza (Green) on a worse contract?  Ken Holland has shown an unwillingness to be proactive in player acquisition.  He has not shown symptoms of early onset Alzheimer's Disease.

 

They can ask all they want, they'll likely not get one of those guys in return.  And that will likely not stop them from trading Green anyway.  If they want to trade him to another team, one who IS willing to give top young talent for injury prone 2nd pair defensemen on expiring contracts, then more power to them.  But I suspect finding GMs that stupid will prove more difficult than they think. 




#2530410 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by nawein on 07 July 2014 - 12:58 PM

Or he could build a solid young core capable of winning Stanley Cups in the future while still making the playoffs and being competitive every year. Which sounds a lot harder than either of your extremes. Which he's currently and has been doing for the last few years.


#2529985 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by darkmanx on 04 July 2014 - 02:57 PM

Yup great logic by the way.

 

To be fair your argument makes no sense.

 

You are comparing Quincey signing to Legwand signing and they don't even play the same position, not to mention we don't need anymore centers especially ones that won't be utilized correctly (Babcock putting him on 4th line in the playoffs  :no:  )




#2529283 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by joesuffP on 02 July 2014 - 02:07 AM

Can't compare teams that have a bunch of top 5 draft picks. We just had our highest since 91. We never started with guys like Kane, Toews and Doughty. Things were way rougher for them before there success as well. If we can get back to elite without becoming a bottom feeder then Holland is a genius


#2529266 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by RusDRW on 02 July 2014 - 12:38 AM

I'm not mad at KH not signing one year wonders like Niskanen or aging guys like Boyle. We don't need them in fact and could have regretted these deal. 

 

I'm not mad at KH for signing Quickey. He is top 4.

 

I'm mad at filling the roster with Kindls and Lashoffs and not being able to trade them for something meaningful. Play our youngsters on the D, Sproul, Oulette, Backman, Marchenko.




#2529248 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by gcom007 on 01 July 2014 - 11:43 PM

Really. Because last time I checked, the “cap era” began in 2006 right?
 
2006 - President’s trophy
2007 - WCF
2008 - Stanley Cup champions
2009 - SCF
 
Anyway, you can credit Lidstrom, Bowman, Nill, Captain America, Marion Illitch’s hairdresser, whoever the f***. Doesn’t matter. The results above speak for themselves and they all most definitely happened in the cap era.
 
I know it seems like I’m defending Holland but really I’m not. I’d never dream of it today. I’m just saying there has to be a line of sensible thought drawn through all of this mess, and maybe that starts by toning down the hyperbole.


But you have to admit, those years were unique for the Wings, and the team that had the most success was primarily a team built before the cap. When they got back to playing, they had the benefit of a salary rollback and they were able to buyout some deals that weren't close to reasonable with a cap and keep the core of the team together. Not only that, you had the unexpected rise of Franzen, who had his most success when he was making very little money. Zetterberg wasn't making star money until 2009 I believe despite being a bonafide superstar; wasn't his deal before his current contract for less than $3 million? I want to say $2.2 or $2.8. Either one was well below the value he brought to the team at the time.

But I'm not really trying to take anything away from him so much as not given him too much credit for actually building a cap team, because I don't think he had to start building a legitimate cap team until 2009. You have to admit, he was lucky to have Franzen breakout while making next to no money, and getting away with paying Z less than $3 million throughout that period was of tremendous benefit. With that kind of luck and those RFA deals, there are likely a lot of GMs who could've done less than Holland had to and still had a tremendous amount of success.

I mean, seriously, despite the salary cap and despite having a ton of talent up front, those lingering RFA deals allowed him to sign Hossa to a big 1 year deal in the summer of 2008. That's no small or ordinary thing, especially with no cap hit trickery from a longer deal to lessen the blow. For the team to be as loaded with talent as they were in the cap era and still be able to pull that off seems utterly laughable now, but again, we were lucky to have those lingering RFA deals and Franzen became a beast seemingly out of nowhere for a couple years.

When tougher decisions started having to be made in 2009, that is when the reality of the salary cap started weighing down on how this team would be built, and it's been all downhill since. Every summer since the summer of 2009, he's been caught flat footed and unprepared. Even he has flat out admitted that at times, earlier on though more than in recent years.

So sure, he had great success early on in the cap era, but how much that success had to do with him having to build a team in the cap era and how much it had to do with pure luck, rollbacks and outlandishly amazing value on some RFA deals is debatable. Again, I'm not trying to take anything away from his success at that time, but I also don't think that era represents Holland's ability to build a true cap era team, and I don't think it serves as justification to continue to give him more chances after five years of him failing to address needs and countless flat out bad signings.