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#2529248 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by gcom007 on 01 July 2014 - 11:43 PM

Really. Because last time I checked, the “cap era” began in 2006 right?
2006 - President’s trophy
2007 - WCF
2008 - Stanley Cup champions
2009 - SCF
Anyway, you can credit Lidstrom, Bowman, Nill, Captain America, Marion Illitch’s hairdresser, whoever the f***. Doesn’t matter. The results above speak for themselves and they all most definitely happened in the cap era.
I know it seems like I’m defending Holland but really I’m not. I’d never dream of it today. I’m just saying there has to be a line of sensible thought drawn through all of this mess, and maybe that starts by toning down the hyperbole.

But you have to admit, those years were unique for the Wings, and the team that had the most success was primarily a team built before the cap. When they got back to playing, they had the benefit of a salary rollback and they were able to buyout some deals that weren't close to reasonable with a cap and keep the core of the team together. Not only that, you had the unexpected rise of Franzen, who had his most success when he was making very little money. Zetterberg wasn't making star money until 2009 I believe despite being a bonafide superstar; wasn't his deal before his current contract for less than $3 million? I want to say $2.2 or $2.8. Either one was well below the value he brought to the team at the time.

But I'm not really trying to take anything away from him so much as not given him too much credit for actually building a cap team, because I don't think he had to start building a legitimate cap team until 2009. You have to admit, he was lucky to have Franzen breakout while making next to no money, and getting away with paying Z less than $3 million throughout that period was of tremendous benefit. With that kind of luck and those RFA deals, there are likely a lot of GMs who could've done less than Holland had to and still had a tremendous amount of success.

I mean, seriously, despite the salary cap and despite having a ton of talent up front, those lingering RFA deals allowed him to sign Hossa to a big 1 year deal in the summer of 2008. That's no small or ordinary thing, especially with no cap hit trickery from a longer deal to lessen the blow. For the team to be as loaded with talent as they were in the cap era and still be able to pull that off seems utterly laughable now, but again, we were lucky to have those lingering RFA deals and Franzen became a beast seemingly out of nowhere for a couple years.

When tougher decisions started having to be made in 2009, that is when the reality of the salary cap started weighing down on how this team would be built, and it's been all downhill since. Every summer since the summer of 2009, he's been caught flat footed and unprepared. Even he has flat out admitted that at times, earlier on though more than in recent years.

So sure, he had great success early on in the cap era, but how much that success had to do with him having to build a team in the cap era and how much it had to do with pure luck, rollbacks and outlandishly amazing value on some RFA deals is debatable. Again, I'm not trying to take anything away from his success at that time, but I also don't think that era represents Holland's ability to build a true cap era team, and I don't think it serves as justification to continue to give him more chances after five years of him failing to address needs and countless flat out bad signings.

#2529236 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by joesuffP on 01 July 2014 - 10:52 PM

Quincey>Lashoff, Kindl

Cap hit is pretty much irrelevant since nobody wants our money. 2 years kind of stings. He had us by the balls but this deal hardly holds us back from improving

#2527822 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by e_prime on 01 July 2014 - 11:53 AM


Apparently so was the Boyle signing.  Only I'm not sure who he's romatically linked to. 

Marty St. Louis.

#2527821 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 01 July 2014 - 11:52 AM


Well the Erhoff deal was clearly a “sign here for a year for a chance to be Crosby’s boyfriend/win a cup” sort of thing. 


Apparently so was the Boyle signing.  Only I'm not sure who he's romatically linked to. 

#2527097 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by FlashyG on 29 June 2014 - 11:15 PM

Yzerman created 6 million in capspace unbelievable


Personally I find it far more impressive to not have to sell off guys at bargain prices, that you signed in the first place just to free up cash to do it all over again with different guys.


Probably making a push for Boyle and Iginla.

#2526770 Kesler traded to Anaheim

Posted by kipwinger on 29 June 2014 - 12:35 AM

If Holland's scouts are responsible for the picks he made as GM, then' he's responsible for the pics that happened when he was the head of scouting under other GMs.  You know, guys like Fedorov, Osgood, Holmstrom, Lidstrom, Konstantinov, Primeau, Kozlov, Sillinger, Lapointe, Knuble, and McCarty.


What a bum. 

#2526395 NHL Draft 2014: First Round

Posted by frankgrimes on 27 June 2014 - 08:04 PM

Wow Jennifer Hedger is hot

#2526121 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Bring Back The Bruise Bros on 27 June 2014 - 12:59 PM

The trade makes me hate Anaheim a little more and hate Vancouver a little less.

#2526054 NHL Draft 2014: First Round

Posted by kipwinger on 27 June 2014 - 08:23 AM

Yeah, I see him trading down.  Someone they like is going to slide down the chart given how bunched together everyone is after the top five or six picks.  I called Kempe a few months ago, and I'm sticking with it.  They'll trade back two or three spots, still get their man, and get a 2nd to replace the one lost in the Legwand clusterf***. 


Edit:  Larkin wouldn't be a bad pick either, and he's a center (Tyler Wright seemed to indicate this would matter).  But I'm sticking with Kempe.

#2526025 Teams to be compensated for losing personnel to other teams

Posted by frankgrimes on 27 June 2014 - 12:06 AM

Oh nice. Now that the Hawks and Kings are losing guys, they implement this. Where the hell was this rule 4 years ago when the rest of the league started slurping on Detroit’s teet? 
One would have to think that sooner or later hockey karma will kick in. 

Wings aren't team Bettman west..

#2526016 Wings to have face to face with Matt Niskanen

Posted by Richdg on 26 June 2014 - 10:58 PM

As for those worrying about the young Dmen, don't. Yes Oullett, Sproul, and Marchenko only have 2 years that they can go down to GR without passing waivers. But what is the chance that all 3 turn out? About 0. Plus 2 years from now Kronwall will be 36. His NTC is also gone. Lashoff is our 7th as of today. That makes 2 possible spots right there. Not to mention since when is having to much talent a bad thing? maybe 1 or 2 get moved to fill another whole on the roster. There is no down side here.

#2525903 Wings to have face to face with Matt Niskanen

Posted by VM1138 on 26 June 2014 - 03:59 PM

I'm sure they've already talked tentatively about cost/term, etc.  Nisknanen's agent isn't going to waste his time.  Whatever Holland offered they'e at least considering, which means it isn't absurdly off the mark.

#2525567 2014 NHL Awards Winners and Losers

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 24 June 2014 - 08:08 PM

I guess that means there's only 12 #1 defensmen in the league

:lol: :lol: :lol:

@DFriedmanOnNYI: Gustav Nyquist received 13 Hart Trophy votes. Not bad for a guy who spent half the year in the AHL.

#2525558 2014 NHL Awards Winners and Losers

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 24 June 2014 - 07:47 PM

@TPLhockey: Niklas Kronwall finishes 13th in Norris voting, one spot ahead of Subban and Ekman-Larsson.

#2525461 Alfie informs Wings he wants to return

Posted by Jesusberg on 24 June 2014 - 11:31 AM

I think some of you gents need to just breeeathe. At lot of points that I agree with have already been made, but for me it comes down to this.

Did Alfie help this team last season? Yes?
Can he help them this coming season? Yes, I believe he can.
Lastly, are any of the UFA's on the market this off-season "game breakers", who will inevitably bring us straight to the cup?

Not that I believe any single ever player can, but definitely not.

In my eyes, there's no one being pushed out of this line-up because of Alfie's inclusion that is going to have a drastic impact on this team in the future (no disrespect to Ferraro/Callahan). And even in their case, I believe that Andersson should be traded to make room for one of those two guys (we're good at center right now).