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#2524624 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 19 June 2014 - 04:05 PM

Or those players are less able to produce, and given the lackluster defense and jekyll and hyde nature of Howard they finish just on the outside of the playoff picture at the end of the season.


This really, isn't what I'd called being 'realistic' though. It's being negative and bringing a defeatist attitude when the draft, free agency and our roster for next season hasn't even formulated yet. 


If you're expecting the Wings to win the cup every year then you are setting yourself up for failure because it'll never happen. Yes all of us here want the Wings to do well, but surely being a realist would mean realising that the Wings won't win the cup every year?? I mean, winning one is hard to do, let alone two. 


You obviously disagree, but IMO this team is trending up. They're getting rid of excess baggage (aside from Clearly but that remains to be seen), are healthy, will most likely have their two best players back and ready to go (Z looked great in the two games he played against Boston, and there's no reason to suggest why a summer of rehab and conditioning shouldn't have him even better), we've got young guys coming up who are largely responsible for getting us in last season and have bright futures ahead, and we've got arguably our most exciting prospect for as long as I can remember (Mantha) turning pro and possibly challenging for a spot. So what's not to like? Rebuilding on the fly isn't exactly a painless process and we've seen that the last two years. But with the pieces we have, it definitely doesn't suggest we're going to suck. Too many people here I think are getting down on the Wings already even though the offseason really hasn't even started to get going yet. Am I the only one who's excited about the future of this team? 

#2524252 Trading up?

Posted by number9 on 17 June 2014 - 01:27 PM

Yes, Captain Obvious, if you want to play it safe this is not a deal for you. It's a risk, but a calculated one imo. I have never said otherwise.


And there's a reason my point is obvious. Trading away your franchise player and captain for an overhyped draft pick isn't a calculated risk, it's NHL 14 fantasy la la land.

#2524559 Compliance buyout expected to be used on Tootoo

Posted by FlashyG on 19 June 2014 - 10:32 AM

The signing of Tootoo and the result of buying him out is just a further indication that Babcock and Holland do not agree on the direction of the team. I would be really surprised at this point if Babcock resigns as coach after his contract expires this year unless Holland gets off his ass and makes this team a winner once again.


When Tootoo was signed Babcock was quoted as asking for a right handed shot, that provides both speed and sandpaper.


Holland got him Tootoo who provided all 3. Unfortunately for all involved his lack of PK ability, his tendency to get way out of position going for the big hit and his struggles to play within the Wings system quickly took him out of the coaches good graces.


I don't think the divide between Holland and Babcock is any bigger than any other coach GM relationship. He gets his say on every roster decision the team makes, which is more than can be said for a lot of coaches out there.

#2524514 Detroit re-signs Gustavsson 1 yr $1.85 mill

Posted by number9 on 19 June 2014 - 03:21 AM


Were there not at least one or two games where Gustavsson gave us more than a chance to win in the shootout. I'm thinking specifically of a game against Tampa when he stopped 6 out of 7 or 7 out of 8, but our forwards couldn't score a single goal (http://scores.espn.g...ameId=400484719).


I think certain people are also forgetting how he played in the playoffs when he was called on at the last minute - he played well enough that you weren't worried when he was put back in the next game. Other back-ups buckled in the same scenario (Tampa, Montreal, before they called up Tokarski).


Gus was a great back up this year. anyone who says otherwise is leftwinger

#2524440 Compliance buyout expected to be used on Tootoo

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 June 2014 - 01:28 PM

I'd miss him too, but I can't remember any of the 11 games he played in last year.


Think back to the ones with the lame staged fights. 

#2524427 Compliance buyout expected to be used on Tootoo

Posted by joesuffP on 18 June 2014 - 01:04 PM

Ahh the old showing up to play homage that LGW bestows on players that apparently Babcock hasn't noticed. We're a much worse team without Franzen. I don't get why every player gets a pass on last season when comparing stats (datsyuk, zetterberg) because of our miserable injury plagued season except for Franzen. You don't buy out legitimate top 6 players that have good contracts.

LGW: "we need two more top 6 players. Let's buy out Franzen and just buy 3 more. It's been really easy to acquire talent lately"

#2524006 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by Euro_Twins on 16 June 2014 - 10:33 AM


All that's saying I'd that alfies bonuses were deferred to next seasons cap, which we already knew was going to happen. We're not being punished like you said. We still have money to spend this off season and it doesn't put us into "cap trouble"

#2523870 Ben Vanderklok replaces Mitch Korn as Goaltending Coach in Nashville

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 June 2014 - 04:21 PM

If you're not interested in the thread, simply don't post in it. 

#2523649 Trading up?

Posted by Dabura on 12 June 2014 - 08:04 PM

The thing about this possibility is, as far as I can tell, it's totally doable. We wouldn't have to sell the farm, or ship out Z or D. We'd probably just have to move Ericsson (Tallon wants a big-bodied top-four defenseman), a pick, and a prospect. For Aaron Ekblad? I would do that. But that's just me.

#2523620 Trading up?

Posted by Datsyukian-Deke on 12 June 2014 - 02:06 PM

I'd do it, and I dont think it would be very crazy. Zetterberg is nearing the end of his career and Ekblad is a possible franchise defenseman.

"Possible" franchise player for our Captain? There have been plenty of 1st overall picks that didn't turn out to be what we thought they would. I'll keep Z thank you.

#2523390 Dan Boyle's rights traded to the Islanders…..

Posted by VM1138 on 10 June 2014 - 11:34 AM

They won't have a rookie as the reserve.  It would be stupid to have a kid who could be playing major minutes in Grand Rapids sitting in the press box on a regular basis.  you see that from a bottom feeder occasionally, but Detroit won't do it.  Lashoff will be kept as the #7.  Kindl and Lashoff together wouldn't come close to bringing a second rounder anyway.  Maybe a 4th.

They won't?? What was Lashoff then?

Reality is, we have too many prospects. Some will be traded

So where do our highly touted defensive prospects go?

Realistically only one prospect makes it.

New guy-Smith

#2523312 GM moves

Posted by dirtydangles on 09 June 2014 - 04:54 PM


Your entire point earlier was "what if Zetterberg and Ericsson played".  You're playing the "what if" game too.  I'm just being a little more realistic.  Odds are against any of the kids being as good as Datsyuk or Zetterberg.  Babcock and Holland have each said so explicitly.   So resting our hopes on "the kids" is a recipe for failure.  It would probably be a good idea to move SOME of them for established NHL talent while they've still got value.  Otherwise we may find that five years from now we've got a bunch of decent talent and nothing to write home about.


The two teams in the Cup right now are full of star players that weren't drafted by either team.  Mike and Brad Richards, Jeff Carter, Rick Nash, Martin St. Louis, Marian Gaborik, were all traded for and they're playing huge roles for their respective teams.  They weren't acquired for peanuts.  We've got HUGE amounts of young talent.  Would it kill us to move SOME of it for established players?

I totally agree with this. I was salivating when I heard Carter was available from Columbus and Philly and Nash was available from NYR. What this team needs is a trade for a 25-28 year old established NHLer who is getting traded for a change of scenery. I think Tatar is the main piece we should dangle along with maybe Pulkkinen, a young D prospect, and a 1st rounder. I think we can afford to move our young wingers (not Mantha) considering we have so many of them and that position is the easiest to fill via free agency although I'd like to hold onto Nyquist if possible. Every year there will be a player like Alfredsson, Iginla, etc. that will come in as a mercenary and play wing on a cup contender - I'm not getting hung up on keeping all of our winger prospects. The key is - we need to trade our youngsters in the sweet spot where they have hype and potential - wait too long and they can taper off - wait too little and we sell them too cheaply. 


I would rank our young wingers in terms of long-term value as:








I think we can afford to lose 2 of the bottom 3 in addition to picks and a D prospect like Ouellet/Backman if it returns us a solid player in their prime. 

#2523313 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by VM1138 on 09 June 2014 - 05:15 PM




If you sign a veteran back-up, you have P-mraz ready when both goalies inevitably get hurt. If Mrazek's your back-up, you have McCollum or Paterson in GRs. You want to call one of those guys up to start a game in the NHL?


Same goes for the defence. Leave those kids in GRs as long as you can. How awesome is it that if any D-men get hurt, you can depend on Ouellet, Backman, Marchenko, and Sproul to be legit quality replacements?


A couple of reasons:


1) Mrazek won't get any better in Grand Rapids.  Or at least, he could improve much faster playing in the NHL, even as a backup.

2) If Holland makes the moves he should make this off-season, the team won't be so terrible and the quality of our third string backup won't matter as much because a loss won't kill us to the same degree it did this season.

3) What's the point in having high quality replacements if the players they are replacing aren't significantly better to begin with?

#2522513 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by nawein on 02 June 2014 - 12:05 PM

And Jarnkrok will win all the trophies and score all the goals for Nashville.

While getting all the assists and all the fights and making all the saves. Plus coaching.

#2522437 WCF: (6) California Dreamin' v (5) The Night Chicago Died

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 June 2014 - 11:02 PM

If I was allowed to ask one question to one famous person, in private, I’d be tempted to ask Justin Williams how he mentally prepares for game 7s. 


He is apparently 7-0 in game sevens, with a 2 PPG average.