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#2498330 3/20 GDT - Penguins 4 at Red Wings 5 (OT)

Posted by Kindl Surprise on 20 March 2014 - 09:20 PM

with columbus' win red wings still not in the playoffs...

that's ok we're gunning for the Leafs




#2497353 What would it take a get Shea Weber?

Posted by kylee on 19 March 2014 - 08:43 PM

We just can't let go that Shea Weber is never going to be here huh?




#2497222 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 19 March 2014 - 08:47 AM

I'd say I should have been more clear. Maybe I should have said "personnel decisions" rather than organizational philosophy.

 

I don't think missing or making the playoffs will affect any of those decisions. Some aren't decisions that need to be made, some will be made by simple necessity, some are just unimportant.

 

We're a team in transition, and it's absurd to think our management doesn't realize that. I think we're an organization that wants to remain competetive, but also committed to building through the draft. And I think we'll continue to try to balance both, until we either transition back into a contender or into a team that's much less feasible to keep competetive.

 

There is no sure-fire formula for building a cup team. If there was, sure...do that. But there isn't. Our philosophy, which seems to be, "try to scrape by as best we can while hoarding youth and hoping for the best", may not sound very good. But really it's no less likely to work than anything else we might try, and if it does work it likely means another long period of being a contender.

 

That's not really true. Prior to this year, the only "stop-gap" type players we've had have been in minor roles. Alfie is really the first to play a somewhat key role, and even he was only our 4th forward (maybe even 5th).

 

White and Quincey I think were more due to a lack of options rather than an unwillingness to make a bigger commitment.

 

And just out of curiosity, what would your idea of "an overhaul" be?

 

I agree with the organizational philosophy completely.  Again, I'm not trying to give off the impression that there's something wrong with seeing Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco, Mantha, Sproul, Ouellet, Marchenko, Mrazek as the future core of this team.  Given how they've shown up so far I'd say it's a REALLY good idea.  But I do think you have to make decisions based on the new realities these guys have created.  We essentially just got a (very good) third line, a top six forward, and backup goalie for free.  Two years ago none of these guys (maybe Nyquist) were even on our radar.  Tatar was an afterthought, and the rising star was Smith.  All of that has changed because injuries showed that most of these guys were the real deal and many are ready now. 

 

As such, we have the luxury of having a "fourth" line of Abby-Helm-Miller if we want, who can play 12-15 minutes of effective hockey (as opposed to the 6-8 our fourth currently plays).  We don't need to have these guys playing a bigger role, and in truth, they're likely not suited for a bigger role.  Reducing their roles means Abby isn't counted on for goals, Helm probably stays healthier, and we now have favorable matchups against deep teams.  But that requires the org. rethink the roles Abby and Helm play on the team (not so much Miller his is the same).  Similarly, having such high end young defensive talent makes Kindl redundant and means that you no longer have to hope that Smith will develop into a top four guy.  Drop him to the third pair permanently and his mistakes are less costly (or less frequent).

 

Best part is, all these young guys have shown they're capable of taking on big roles but don't get paid s***...so we're cap friendly for at least 2-3 years.  Just in case we decide we need a high end free agent to fill a role (top six winger, top four defenseman?). 

 

But none of that's going to happen if Holland doesn't move (or consider moving) guys like Kindl and Andersson, letting the old guys walk, and reconsidering what roles Smith, Helm, and Abby play on this team. 

 

That's my rationale anyway, but it's a good discussion so I'm certainly willing to reconsider if I'm missing something that you've picked up on. 




#2496457 Injury Updates

Posted by RedWang on 18 March 2014 - 12:28 PM

 
Oh s***. My bad. Sorry.

Haha its okay mate! Its just the internetz!


#2496321 Maple Leafs 2 @ Red Wings 3

Posted by FlashyG on 17 March 2014 - 11:48 PM

It seems the title of the thread was cut off.

 

Its supposed to be titled "There are no Playoffs...There is only Zuul."




#2496318 Franzen calls out team

Posted by kipwinger on 17 March 2014 - 11:42 PM

Good on him for saying so, but no matter how much they "want it" or don't, "play heavy" or don't, "stick to it" or don't, you're not going to beat national hockey league teams with AHL level talent.  Particularly when the NHL players you do have in the lineup are largely the supporting cast.  This team has serious holes in it that haven't been addressed for about four years now.  Until they get addressed, they'll struggle...healthy or not...effort or not. 

 

I do want to say that I like seeing Franzen step up though.  He's played well since his return and I always love seeing guys try to be a factor off the ice as well as on it.




#2495421 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by frankgrimes on 15 March 2014 - 03:51 AM

 

Yeah but no one has a top three like that in the entire league right now. St Louis comes close. You could totally win the cup now s***tier D than that. 

 

The Blues are such an easy team to cheer for in the West, built the right way, big tough and mean and all that done with a shoestring budget, unbelievable.

 

God I miss the days of having Lidstrom Rafalski in front of Hasek, The Russian 5 plus the bash brothers...and the captain as our leader man hockey post 2005 is just laughable compared to pre 2005.




#2496125 Red Wings sign college FA Colin Campbell

Posted by WhiteLightning91 on 17 March 2014 - 04:34 AM

No risk, all reward sort of signing.

 

The only risk is that he will count amongst our 50+ professional contract limit as an undrafted prospect who may/may not work out rather than a traditionally drafted prospect who may/may not workout.

 

Only those with unrelenting hatred of anything this team does due to the fact that we have fallen on hard times recently, bearing in mind that those hard times are consitent with those of every other dynasty franchise in the history of the NHL, can and will find something to complain about this signing.




#2495573 Finally-TooToo called up

Posted by kipwinger on 16 March 2014 - 12:44 PM

Finally, Tootoo is back.  This will put an end to our goal scoring woes. 




#2494760 3/11 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Blue Jackets 4

Posted by Ekmanc on 12 March 2014 - 09:56 AM

We are mostly losing cause of a metric s*** ton of injuries and because our bottom 3 D sucks, not because we don't have enough fighters on the team...




#2494021 Injury Updates

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 March 2014 - 11:41 AM

 Retweeted by Ansar Khan

#RedWings lose another center; Andersson out for at least two weeks with a broken left foot

 

 

 

Playing center for the Red Wings has become being the drummer for Spinal Tap.




#2488267 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by dirtydangles on 01 March 2014 - 10:58 AM

I went to the Griffins vs Abbotsford Heat game last night. Pukks was every where scoring 2goals, and Jarnkok looked real good. Almquist showed great vision and skil.

I can see why teams would want them in trade, and I'd be ok packaging them in the right deal.

I'd think Nyquist is untouchable, and it would take a big name to pry Tatar lose.

Jarnkrok is exploding. 6 points in last 2 games. 19 points in last 15 games. 




#2486052 USA-Canada Thread

Posted by Richdg on 21 February 2014 - 08:14 PM

Well crap. That was a great game and crappy ending..... Well I ate my crow roasted with a touch of rosemary. Washed it down with more than a few drinks.

 

I said before that anything less than a silver would be a let down and it is. The slotting sucked, but what can you do. This game was between the 2 best teams by fair. Canada will destroy the Swedes.




#2485924 USA-Canada Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 21 February 2014 - 03:06 PM

Alright I'm back from the bar and ready to take it like a man.  Congratulations Team Canada...you played the better game.  Good tourney Team USA, it was fun.  Now, I'm going to set it up for the Team Canada fans to spike.

 

That win was so sweet...(fill in the blank)




#2485881 USA-Canada Thread

Posted by joesuffP on 21 February 2014 - 02:10 PM

I feel bad for the Americans they were so confident