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#2534095 Helmer: First one to get a herniated disc in the new Season?

Posted by rick zombo on 12 August 2014 - 01:37 PM


#2534092 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by rick zombo on 12 August 2014 - 12:04 PM


Jarnkrok was only in North America for half a season before the trade.  It stands to reason we wouldn't be talking about him, most of us had never seen him play one shift of hockey prior to this last season.  There isn't any chatter about Backman either, but not because he's no good.  Nobody's seen him play and he doesn't have a track record in North America to compare things too.


So, it could mean we didn't have much to say about a guy we'd never seen.  Or it could be that there's always going to be more to say about losing a good prospect for nothing, than keeping one in your system for a few years.  For instance, I'd have a lot more to say about Andreas Athanasiou if Holland traded him for a guy that walked at the end of a disappointing season. 


Exactly. But everone's got something to say now.


And the Athanasiou point is valid. Right now he's a prospect that some of us really like. Until he gets traded for Cody Franson and suddenly mutates into "the next awesome player guy".

#2534088 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by rick zombo on 12 August 2014 - 11:44 AM


That's the LGW way though.  Everybody is a stud until he's not in the organization anymore.  We're like Red Sox fans.  "Johnny Damon is the kind of guy you build a franchise around"....*Damon goes to Yankees*..."f*** that bum.  I never liked him". 


Jarnkrok was/is a good prospect.  Any revisionist attempt to paint him as some washout is demonstrably false.  I don't care if people liked the trade or didn't, doesn't matter now.  But the extra step of trying to justify it post hoc by claiming that Jarnkrok wasn't any good is bulls***. 


"I like to think of him like a Zetterberg." - Scout Ari Vouri

"He has great hockey sense, very tenacious, a lot of (Henrik) Zetterberg-type qualities. He’s strong on the puck, never gives up on the puck.” - Jim Nill

"He’s probably the best prospect in our organization overall." - Jiri Fischer

“We all feel he’s a top-six forward in the long run." - Hakan Andersson

“The stuff he can do, he is as good as anybody in terms of hand-eye coordination and skill in tight places. It’s just a matter of time until he starts putting up big numbers." - Jiri Fischer


I can't speak for the rest of LGWs, but I was never trying to justify anything. I'm trying to understand why Holland thought he was disposbale.


As far as what Wings brass said about him, they also like comparing Pulkinen to Hull and Jari Kurri. Raise your hand if you think Teemu will ever score 50 goals in the NHL. It's more likely he'll score 25 and look a bit like those guys while doing it.


We've got people here saying Jarnkrok sucks (your Damon comparison is spot on) and we've got people here saying that Jarkrok's going to be the next Zetterberg because the two names were used in the same sentence by Wings management and staff. I like the idea that I'm somewhere in the middle.


One thing's for sure, we have spent waaaaay more time talking about Jarnkrok post-trade then we ever did when he was still a Wings prospect. What does that say?

#2534055 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by rick zombo on 11 August 2014 - 11:00 PM



I agree with you on that, and that's why I was for the trade. I Know they know better than me. I just don't think we should bash Calle until he really shows his value. In my book he's still a top level prospect until he proves otherwise. And like I said I will be so relived if the otherwise happens.


Yeah. We all know that if Holland had his way, he’d hang on to ALL of his prospects but leave them in GRs forever. I mean the last significant prospect he traded before Jarnkrok was who? Mathais?


It’s common belief around these parts that Poille robbed Holland on the Legwand deal. But you have to ask yourself, while Holland’s made some questionable signings and whiffed on some must-sign UFAs, I can’t remember the last time he lost a trade that involved a top prospect or roster player. 


Some might argue “yeah, that’s because he never makes ANY trades”. To which I might add, maybe he doesn’t make any trades because GMs all ask for too much and he won’t pull the trigger. Because he’s patient as f*** and because he likes to horde his prospects. He has to. To me this makes more sense than Holland having a Dr Stangelove type breakdown and in a sweaty twitch, pressing some red button that sends Calle to Nashville. 

#2534049 Alfie wants to play

Posted by rick zombo on 11 August 2014 - 10:18 PM

I actually don’t mind this quote from Holland:



"Certainly, I don't look at Alfie thinking he's going to play 82 games," Holland said. "When you got (Gustav) Nyquist and (Tomas) Tatar and (Tomas) Jurco and (Luke) Glendening and (Riley) Sheahan, if we can get a certain amount of games out of (Alfredsson), we would feel like he would be a real positive addition.


To me, Holland is looking for as much depth as possible, and is certainly OK with Jurco playing 20 + minutes a night and hopefully dominating in GRs at least to start the season. It’s a hard philosophy to argue unless the Wings come stumbling out of the gate and start the season 2-8 or something. 



#2534047 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by rick zombo on 11 August 2014 - 10:12 PM


So then nothing we can believe is true?


Mantha probably blows? But only if we trade him right?


When Hakan Andersson says after this years draft that “hopefully we were able to get a centre to play with Mantha” I file that under:


- things I believe to not be bulls*** hype

- things said by a super-scout about a prospect, with a level of reverence never used on Jarnkrok.


When I read Fischer’s quotes on Jarnkrok I think of the passionate way in which he spoke of Sproul in this video (starting at the 50 second mark). When he says “Sproul can shoot the puck better, harder, under pressure, than 90% of the players in the NHL” (2:45) I want to believe him, but part of me knows that there’s probably some over-zealousness in play. I imagine him looking and sounding the same way when talking about Jarnkrok:



But whatevs. Maybe I’m over-analysing. I just find it hard to accept that Holland would knowingly trade “the next Zetterberg” for David Legwand but then say that Tatar, Jurco, Nyquist, and Sheahan are basically untouchable. 

#2533911 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by rick zombo on 08 August 2014 - 10:36 AM


I wish I could "like" this 2,000 times.  Definitely my favorite post in a good long time.  Touche my man.  Touche. 


You could start by liking it 1 time. ;)

#2533893 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by rick zombo on 07 August 2014 - 11:38 PM


Well see I trust management, whereas many of you don't. I'm going to be fine with the Legwand-Ironhook trade until Calle makes it big in the NHL. I like to think management knew what they were doing there.


I think once Mantha, Athanasiou, Marchenko, Pulkkinen, Ouellet, and Sproul (or a combination of others) officially join the team, and they are what we thought they would be. Then the trades you want will be made.


The Wings play REAL tight to the vest, and as a business man I operate the same way. IMO it's smart and minimizes risk, even if you lose some product in prospects who can't grace your system. All that means is that you're getting the best of the best.


Yeah, it’s tricky because we talk about guys like Mantha, AA, Larkin, Pulkkinen, and of course Sproul and Ouellet. 


Then you have Captain Deathstare who has a boner for guys like Glendenning and Backmann.


So, this team is a living organism which makes it very unpredictable. 

#2533838 Flyers agree to terms with Del Zotto

Posted by rick zombo on 07 August 2014 - 10:06 AM


Yeah, particularly sports hernia.  Remember Brent Gilchrist?  A lot of guys never fully recover from those. 


Crossing my fingers on Weiss.

#2533832 Flyers agree to terms with Del Zotto

Posted by rick zombo on 07 August 2014 - 09:04 AM


Which people feel that way?


Perhaps the 29 teams that didn't sign him + the one that desperately needed a player of his type and still waited until over a month into free agency to sign him to a deal (1.3M) that probably acurately reflected his value as a UFA?


Who knows exactly what took place with DZ's camp with regards to negotiations with other teams on terms and salary, but the proof of what type of player Del Zotto is, currently, can be found in the contract details and date of signing IMO.


But, like I said, IMO.

#2533539 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by rick zombo on 02 August 2014 - 02:07 PM

Yeah, that's a good salary cap we have. FML.

10.5 for Toews & Kane and now 9M for PK?


#2533343 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by rick zombo on 30 July 2014 - 08:21 AM

Tatar knows what direction this team is going.......



#2533274 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by rick zombo on 29 July 2014 - 09:39 AM


First of all, you're overplaying your hand a bit.  Tatar was a regular in the lineup after 9 games...so it's not like those three guys were all getting huge playing time for the first half of the season...they weren't.  After the first ten games any two of the three were scratched on a given night.


Secondly, that doesn't really address my point anyway.  Cleary, Bertuzzi, and Samuelsson weren't the reason we got butchered by Boston in the playoffs.  They weren't the reason we blew a 3-1 series lead against Chicago the year before that.  They weren't the reason we couldn't beat San Jose for two years.  And they definitely weren't the reason we got embarrassed by Nashville in 5 games. 


But here's the kicker...neither were injuries.  In only one of those series (Boston) did injuries play a significant role.  There are fundamental issues with this team that haven't been addressed in a LONG time.  Acting like those issues have been resolved because we let a couple of frequently scratched third and fourth liners walk is the equivalent to burying your head in the sand. 


I wasn't arguing your point Kip.


I was only saying that this year's team should have less plugs than last year.


But yes, if this team continues to play on the outside, have crappy D, suck on special teams, and have average goaltending then they're screwed.


But, an improved Smith and DeKeyser combined with hopefully more Ouellett/Marchenko and less Kindl/Lashoff, and the D should improve.


The small forwards should get stronger.


Jimmy has nowhere to go but up, after last year.



#2533272 That Time Mike Vernon Used the Jedi Mind Trick

Posted by rick zombo on 29 July 2014 - 09:31 AM

It always blows my mind in hockey how two guys can have this much mutual respect and then pummel each other during one of  the best goalie fights ever.

#2533262 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by rick zombo on 29 July 2014 - 08:40 AM

Holy overpayment batman!


It's not overpayment enough to call it overpayment.


A touch high? Maybe.


Fair market value +/-? Absolutely.


It's criminal that Holland got Sheahan signed for less than 1M. But he just couldn't get away with low-balling Tatar.