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#2660370 3/15 GDT : Red Wings at Philadelphia Flyers, 7:30 ET

Posted by larionov_8 on 15 March 2016 - 10:11 PM

The problem is, those same guys you are referring to weren't awarded a nearly $5M per year contract to take a s***.




I don't mean to defend Nyquist's play, that's for sure. You could argue that his inability to score is one of the major reasons the PP is struggling. I only mean to say that if the PP was doing well, he'd likely be factoring in on more goals (as was the case last year, where he scored many of his) and therefore it would be easier to see past his obvious shortcomings as a player.

​And so, perhaps if the Wings can find a way to generate on the PP, it would look less appealing to see Nyquist gone.

In the same breathe, there are guys that I don't see turning the corner. I'd be quite happy if Smith and Ericsson played their last games as Wings. I suppose it's more likely that Quincey will leave as a free agent and perhaps Smith gets dealt next year at some stage too. Can't imagine anyone taking Ericsson and his contract. And the doubt has really got to be creeping in for guys like Jurco and Pulkkinen.   

#2531343 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by larionov_8 on 10 July 2014 - 07:53 PM

Is anyone really surprised? We all knew this was coming, Cleary was a waste of a roster spot for just the past 2 seasons.

The Red Wings loyalty rewards program clearly states you must be a waste of a roster spot for a minimum of 3 seasons before the Wings will consider not resigning you.


Exactly, the writing was on the wall for this signing since last summer. 


As Holland said about Cleary at training camp "at some point and time as the season wears on or next summer, we'll try to find a way to keep him in a Red Wing uniform for longer than a year." http://www.youtube.c...h?v=mG6LST7PPLc

I'm a bit surprised they needed to bother with a bonus - 1 year at 1 million should've been plenty. I agree with Holland that Cleary could be a solid depth player if he's healthy, but agree with pretty much every fan that this will be regrettable if it results in a better player sitting on the bench or in the minors (e.g. Jurco, Ferraro, Callahan). I recall reading that Callahan would be happy to re-sign with GR to continue to work on his game, so if Alfie does not re-sign, perhaps it will only be Ferraro left in the lurch. The good news is that Cleary's deal is only 1 year, so that gives more flexibility moving forward.  

#2493923 UFA/RFA Re-Signing, What Does Everyone Get?

Posted by larionov_8 on 09 March 2014 - 04:09 PM

Not to get off topic, as this has an influence on who makes what, but I think this year's experience demonstrates that the wisest course of action would have Jurco and Glendening start the year in GR. There will be injuries, and when there are, I'd rather see these guys, who have shown they are capable, fill a role, over a player who may not be ready. Meanwhile they can play big minutes and continue to learn how to win with GR.


Given that we have enough youth already (Tatar, Nyquist, Sheahan and Andersson, plus potentially Ferraro and Callahan - Helm and Abby aren't "old" and there are 3 young guys on the D too), there is value in filling out the roster with veterans who can also fill some roles (e.g. Legwand and Alfie). That gives us the kind of depth needed to compete in this league when those injuries hit. I think this stretch of games right now is showing that it is a lot to ask of these young guys to drive the bus themselves. Hopefully they will be ready to take on bigger roles as they develop but they are still young and raw in some ways. 

On a less argumentative note, can anyone explain why Almquist is / is not waiver-exempt in 2014-15?

#2473036 I'd like to talk about this off-season/next season

Posted by larionov_8 on 14 January 2014 - 09:12 PM


When people mention Heatley as a UFA target I honestly can't tell if they're serious or sarcastic or trolling or what....


Oh god, definitely being sarcastic! He's a shell of his former self. We had just exchanged some extended dialogue about other UFA options and this comment was meant more as sarcastic exasperation in the lack of options (Heatley epitomizing that reality).


Detroit could be big players. They will look in-house for a lot of their holes, which lowers their payroll. We can afford to massively overlay for a player, at least on a short-term contract. Trouble will be: will UFA's accept a 2 or 3 year contract?

I do agree that if many of Detroit's own UFAs are allowed to walk, they will be active to bring in some depth. Though it is a rebuild, they will want to be competitive.

I recently read comments from Vanek where he spoke about money and term being the biggest concerns for him. And so I wouldn't be surprised to see the Islanders throw big money and term at him.

It's hard to imagine that some team won't offer a longer term to guys like Moulson, Callahan, Girardi, etc., if these guys go to free agency. This is why I was suggesting earlier in this thread that more depth guys (e.g. Kulemin, Setoguchi) might be worth a look as they would be more likely to consider short-term deals, and if they don't work out, you aren't stuck with them for too long.  

I watched a clip on sportsnet where they talked about Steve Ott possibly being a deadline acquisition for Detroit, among others. http://kuklaskorner....ved-if-so-where
He's a guy I could imagine Detroit acquiring (if he could be had for a pick and/or lesser prospect) and trying to keep around.

Assuming they do let Bertuzzi walk, I think they will try to get someone with some size and, ideally, who play with a bit of an edge and who are capable of adding some scoring depth.

#2465852 I'd like to talk about this off-season/next season

Posted by larionov_8 on 17 December 2013 - 09:35 PM

Wings have good role players and need some guys who can put the puck in the net to replace some of the old folks who have hung on too long. Pathetic that Tatar is currently 6th on the team in scoring. There's a few guys I could see the Wings realistically being able to get there hands-on that I think would be upgrades, and could play in the top 6 or as very good third liners:

- Kulemin (TOR) - right shooter, former 30 goal scorer, might be worth more than what TOR wants to pay for a guy who has been relegated to a checking role

- Setogouchi (WPG) - right shooter, former 30 goal scorer; though he's struggled in SJ, we've seen what this guy was capable of SJ

- Moulson (NYI) - this guy reminds me of Homer which makes me think he could compliment Pavel and Z. Probably get lots of attention though and an upgrade over his current $3mil salary.

- Downie (PHI) - I actually don't think DET would sign this guy and I'm not sure I want him here, but he'd bring a lot of potential grit with some decent skill, if he could clean up his game

- Ott, Steve (BUF) - I have the impression he has cleaned up his game; could be a good character guy; not sure about his value though

- Cammalleri (CGY) - very likely he'll be available and he can score. But since he's small and getting older, he may not be the best fit for DET

- Penner (ANA) - it's possible, but I'd bet he stays in Anaheim this time

I think the Wings could use another defensive D-man with size, so they can allow Quincey to walk. Some potential UFAs include:

- Mark Fayne, NJ
- Mark Stuart, WPG

At the very far end, I'd take a flyer on Mike Komisarek as a 7th D. We always want that cheap, big, right handed shooting defensemen!

#2458957 I'd like to talk about this off-season/next season

Posted by larionov_8 on 27 November 2013 - 11:26 PM

I really wish there was a better option than Bert next year but who knows. Yes he brings assets but he is so slow and gives up the puck so frequently that his role in the game the rest of the Wings are aiming for (speed, puck position) is diminished. 

I think they'd bring Alfie back if he wants to play. 

Cleary should be done unless he has a major resurrection this year. 

I think some options upfront in the UFA pool that might bring some scoring depth include:

- Setogouchi, WPG
- Kulemin, TOR
- Moulson, BUF

All of these guys have some size and can score. I'd love to see Kuli along with one other guy. Setoguchi in particular might be a good "project" for Det. 

On D I agree the pickings are slim. I think a solid veteran guy is the answer. Matt Greene comes to mind, Michigan guy, 30, a big defensive guy, but I imagine he'll earn more than his 3 million now, and that LA probably want to hold onto him. Failing this kind of player I still think that adding a stable defensive guy to be 6/7, add depth and mentor Lashoff, to play along Smith, etc. -- essentially do what I think Quincey isn't able too -- that would be an asset to this team. 

#2443250 10/10 GDT: Coyotes 4 at Red Wings 2

Posted by larionov_8 on 10 October 2013 - 09:33 PM

Agreed. Despite his OT GWG, I feel like I've hardly noticed Weiss. I was hoping he'd have the edge that Fil seemed to lack. Alfredsson seems to constantly want to make the pretty cross ice pass. Don't see how they can put him back at the point at all, after that performance. I'd like to see them try spreading out the attack some:


Forgetting our roster space issues, it'd be nice to see what a lineup like this could do:  

Abdelkader - Dats - Franzen

Nyquist- Zetterberg - Alfredsson  

Tatar- Weiss - Cleary

Miller - Andersson - Bertuzzi (or Eaves/Tootoo upon their returns)


That would give us at least one body under 30 on each line and I feel like we could play with some more pace.


How long do you keep the 2nd line together with them not scoring or even creating chances?

#2436551 Cleary re-signs with Detroit, 1 year, $1.75m deal

Posted by larionov_8 on 13 September 2013 - 08:04 PM

To help ease the forward logjam, perhaps the Wings would consider playing Weiss on a third line temporarily (or Mule, even), while Helm is on IR, making Emmerton more expendable.

Abby - Dats - Mule
Cleary - Z - Aflie
Tatar - Weiss - Bert
Miller - Andy - Eaves
+ Sammy, Tootoo

Emmerton, Gus in minors (for now)

Not sure if that'd get the wings under the player limit or not, but if so it might give them time to make moves, without giving up players too soon. Inevitably there will be more injuries so ideally they hold onto as many bodies as possible.  

#2315994 Quincey files for arbitration

Posted by larionov_8 on 05 July 2012 - 06:08 PM

Meh, this is his right. He's probably seeing how things are developing and assuming he's going to be playing alot and should get his money's worth!

I'd be surprised if he received anything outrageous that Detroit wouldn't accept, given our deficiencies on the back end and the fact we just gave up a first for him.

#2313917 G Joey MacDonald asks for trade

Posted by larionov_8 on 03 July 2012 - 06:25 PM

Winnipeg does look like the only place that makes sense right now, though it's possibly VAN or LA could use a back up if they trade their current ones and don't receive another in return. But there are still other serviceable back-ups available as UFAs, so it could be a tough go for him.

Also, I'm not sure if a source has been included in this thread, so just for the record:

Holland also addressed the rumor that Joey MacDonald had asked for a trade—and this is more or less an inevitability because, as Pleiness points out, MacDonald’s contract is a one-way, NHL-only deal for the 2012-2013 season, which means he’d have to clear re-entry waivers if he was sent to Grand Rapids and then recalled:

“His agent called and wanted to know what was the plan for him,” Holland said. “He doesn’t want to be in the AHL. If we can find Joey an opportunity in the NHL, we will.”


#2312153 Red Wings Sign Jordin Tootoo to 3-yr deal, $1.9M/yr

Posted by larionov_8 on 01 July 2012 - 05:50 PM

Interesting move. I will say this much: Detroit has seen this guy play for years, so he must bring an element they wanted. And frankly, I think his behaviour issues stemmed largely from his addiction problems, which he has been able to overcome. He's come a long way since then, maturity wise.

One thing I am concerned about is that he didn't seem to take kindly to being sat out sometimes in the playoffs, and I'm not sure he'll play every night here, though his salary would suggest he will. That said, he did score 30 points in 77 games this year, so he has the ability to contribute offensively -- more than can be said for many similar kinds of players.

Now Samuelsson...I'm not sure how to rationalize that one...

#2295214 What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

Posted by larionov_8 on 21 April 2012 - 12:06 PM

Allowing for UFAs to leave and bringing in no one else besides our RFAs, our roster looks something like this next year:

Franzen - Dats - Cleary
Filppula - Zetterberg - Nyquist
Miller - Helm - Bertuzzi
Abdelkader - Emmerton - Mursak/Eaves

Kronwall - White
Quincey - Ericcson
Kindl - Smith

Joey Joe Joe

I don't know Holland's off season plans, but it seems clear to me where upgrades would be desirable to complement the existing players and provide depth:

Defensive D-men (to provide stability for offensive ability / defensive liability of existing d-men):
- Ideal: fantasy options like Suter would be nice
- More realistic: might include Cory Sarich or Greg Zanon. Komisarek could be available for cheap, but would be risky.
- further depth in potential UFAs: BUF's Sulzer, S Hannan, C Stoner, P Harrold, J Woywitka, K Huskins, A Rome

Heavy lifters upfront (to play a role like Hartnell or Burrows on the top lines, like Homer used to do and Bert tries to do)
- Ideal: someone who can play this role in the top 6 such as Rick Nash, Chris Stewart
- Also potentially valuable: a true fourth line centre with size, such as Gaustad or Zenon Konopka
- Other potential UFAs that might be play good secondary roles: David Jones, Adam Burish, Colin Fraser, Steve Bernier, Travis Moen, Brandon Yip, Brandon Prust, Taylor Pyatt, Daniel Winnik, Torrey Mitchell, Jim Slater. Depth: Chris Durno, Adam Hall

Back up goalie:
- I like Joey Mac but his back is a concern. Lots of options here among "young vets" like UFAs Biron, Clemmensen, Leighton, Niittymaki or younger, like Harding or even Gustavsson (another gamble if the price was right). Not to mention the oldies like Turco, Vokoun, Hasek...etc...but I've been trying to conider players who will help this team get younger

Guess we'll wait and see who is available in the marketplace! Happy off-season...