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#2533530 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by WingNut 25 on 02 August 2014 - 12:29 PM

I no longer have faith in the organization's direction. Give the kids more playing time and start moving out worthless vets in any way you can (for whatever return you can get). Let the playoff streak die. Holding onto that is making this team stagnant. They aren't moving up or down.

#2297264 Detroit has inside track on Parise

Posted by WingNut 25 on 26 April 2012 - 11:55 AM

If paying Lidstrom $6 mill. next year costs the Wings flexibility and/or Parise and/or Suter, let him retire. The bigger picture is what's most important, not the past.

#2297137 Detroit has inside track on Parise

Posted by WingNut 25 on 25 April 2012 - 11:47 PM

The true insult would be a 42 year old getting $6+ million next year. We all respect the hell out of Nick but he was overpaid this year. It would be a tragic mistake to give him more than $2 million should he return.

#2296767 What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

Posted by WingNut 25 on 24 April 2012 - 05:09 PM

LOL you're pathetic kid. You can't even keep on topic while everyone blows holes in your ridiculous fantasy trades like Franzen for Morrow. No one is making competitions out of thread creation. What are you 10? Who cares who replies?? I frankly was exhausted by page after page of fantasy scenarios. I hadnt even started posting on this forum again until recently so no, I didn't make any predictions like you apparently did in your crystal ball. You're right, no one's opinion is right or wrong. But that doesn't mean an opinion isn't dumb or even ridiculous in nature, like your master plan you laid out. It's dumb, it's short sighted and my daring prediction is none of it will happen.

Let's agree to disagree from here on out. I get tired of replying to useless drivel.

#2296686 What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

Posted by WingNut 25 on 24 April 2012 - 01:44 PM

White dropping down to 2nd or 3rd pairing is likely where he belongs anyway. He's signed cheap for another year. I don't see the benefit in moving him.

#2296673 What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

Posted by WingNut 25 on 24 April 2012 - 01:06 PM

Weber will sign long term with Nashville.

#2296471 Building a new Wings team (the realists thread)

Posted by WingNut 25 on 23 April 2012 - 11:11 PM

Saw this article over on the Production Line site and it really is good food for thought.


Seeing too much of the NHL video game GM junk in a lot of threads, so I'm making this one for much more realistic talk and scenarios. Here are some of the UFA's on July 1 (assuming they do not resign with their current teams). The UFA class is very underwhelming so realistically the Wings may need to work the trade route to make an impact.

To me, the "all in" UFA's, if they are there on July 1, are Parise and Suter. Holland needs to push and push hard to acquire at least 1 of them and the reasons are obvious. They fill tremendous needs for this Wings team. Their value is in many ways immeasurable to a team trying to get back to elite status.

Our defense will be interesting should Suter sign elsewhere or stay in NashVegas. IMO, Lidstrom will retire. I hope deep down he'll be drawn back by the allure of the Winter Classic in The Big House. But the realist in me says he doesn't want to become Chris Chelios and stay too long. I think he walks away with the kind of sad end that Yzerman had (a disappointing playoff defeat). Stuart is gone. Sad to say but there's a reason his family has never moved and the obvious speculation is that his wife cannot move their daughter due to custody issues. My personal guess is Stuart signs with the Ducks as they need him more than the Sharks or Kings do and CA is his desired destination. Kronwall, White, Ericsson, Smith and Kindl make for a nice group of defenseman but more is needed. I have my doubts on whether or not Quincey will be back but it cost the Wings a #1 to get him so the likelihood they let him go is very small, the likelihood they sign and trade him is quite realistic.

Back to Zach. He is the perfect fit for this Wings team, a sniper that could easily get Datsyuk back up to the sort of point range we expect from him and who gives the Wings that 40 goal scorer they are sorely missing. Now while I've seen it suggested that Franzen and/or Filppula could be moved, I don't see it happening unless an impact scorer is coming back in return. While Mule is extremely streaky, he still pots nearly 30 goals a year for a cap hit of less than $4 million/year. Look at the list below and find me guys who are likely to sign with the Wings who can match that production. Again, a Franzen-type scorer would have to be acquired in trade for the Mule himself. I think Fil and Z have something special and I think we've finally seen the real Fil. I'd hate to see him moved for anything less than someone like a Rick Nash. The problem there is simply that the likelihood of Columbus trading their captain to a hated division rival is slim and none, and slim is packing up to head out of town. So unless the sort of deals like a Richards to LA that caught everyone off guard last year emerge for the Wings to get involved in, the Wings will likely have to rebuild via free agency and look for less earth-shattering moves. Here is the list of UFA's below. As you can see, Suter and Parise are the gems and the rest, well see for yourself.


Daymond Langkow $4,500,000
Jarret Stoll $3,600,000
Jochen Hecht $3,525,000
Olli Jokinen $3,000,000
Jiri Hudler $2,875,000
Jason Arnott $2,800,000
Samuel Pahlsson $2,650,000
Saku Koivu $2,500,000
Paul Gaustad $2,300,000
Chris Kelly $2,125,000
Steven Reinprecht $2,050,000
Jay McClement $1,450,000
Torrey Mitchell $1,366,667
Brendan Morrison $1,250,000
Kyle Brodziak $1,150,000
Gregory Campbell $1,100,000
Dominic Moore $1,100,000
Jim Slater $1,000,000
Daniel Winnik $950,000
Erik Christensen $925,000
Lennart Petrell $900,000
Alexandre Giroux $825,000
Colin Fraser $825,000
Jeff Halpern $825,000
Jake Dowell $800,000
Brandon Prust $800,000
Toby Petersen $775,000
Ryan Carter $750,000
Jesse Winchester $750,000
Tim Wallace $700,000
Zenon Konopka $700,000
Blair Betts $700,000
Scott Nichol $700,000

Left Wings

Alexander Semin $6,700,000
Ryan Smyth $6,250,000
Zach Parise $6,000,000
Kristian Huselius $4,750,000
Dustin Penner $4,250,000
Jason Blake $4,000,000
Andrei Kostitsyn $3,250,000
Niklas Hagman $3,000,000
Ray Whitney $3,000,000
Marco Sturm $2,250,000
Andrew Brunette $2,000,000
Sean Avery $1,938,000
Tomas Holmstrom $1,875,000
Alexei Ponikarovsky $1,500,000
Travis Moen $1,500,000
Steve Sullivan $1,500,000
Jay Pandolfo $1,400,000
Ruslan Fedotenko $1,400,000
Daniel Paille $1,075,000
Cody McLeod $1,033,000
Taylor Pyatt $1,000,000
Darcy Hordichuk $825,000
Shawn Thornton $812,000
Tanner Glass $750,000
Brandon Yip $725,000
Brad Wincester $725,000
Trevor Gillies $625,000
Raitis Ivanans $600,000
Fabian Brunnstrom $600,000

Right Wings

Brian Rolston $5,062,000
Shane Doan $4,550,000
Ales Hemsky $4,100,000
Teemu Selanne $4,000,000
Brad Boyes $4,000,000
Jaromir Jagr $3,300,000
Ales Kotalik $3,000,000
Jamie Langenbrunner $2,800,000
Milan Hejduk $2,600,000
David Jones $2,500,000
Mikael Samuelsson $2,500,000
Mike Knuble $2,000,000
Lee Stempniak $1,900,000
Radek Dvorak $1,500,000
JP Dumont $1,333,000
David Moss $1,300,000
Jordin Tootoo $1,250,000
P.A. Parenteau $1,250,000
Ian Laperriere $1,167,000
Adam Burish $1,150,000
Tom Kostopoulos $917,000
George Parros $875,000
Krystopher Barch $838,000
Arron Asham $775,000
Joey Crabb $750,000
Byron Bitz $700,000
Petr Sykora $650,000
Mark Parrish $650,000
Ryan Shannon $625,000
Joakim Lindstrom $600,000
Trent Hunter $600,000
Brian Willsie $600,000
Brian McGrattan $600,000
Jonathan Cheechoo $600,000
Adam Hall $600,000
Brad Staubitz $575,000
Jamal Mayers $550,000
Brett McLean $525,000
Cam Janssen $525,000


Nicklas Lidstrom $6,200,000
Michal Rozsival $5,000,000
Dennis Wideman $3,875,000
Pavel Kubina $3,850,000
Jaroslav Spacek $3,833,000
Brad Stuart $3,750,000
Filip Kuba $3,700,000
Barret Jackman $3,625,000
Cory Sarich $3,600,000
Willie Mitchell $3,500,000
Ryan Suter $3,500,000
Jeff Finger $3,500,000
John Oduya $3,500,000
Matt Carle $3,438,000
Bryan Allen $2,900,000
Bryce Salvador $2,900,000
Mark Eaton $2,500,000
Joe Corvo $2,250,000
Hal Gill $2,250,000
Radek Martinek $2,200,000
Carlo Colaiacovo $2,125,000
Shaone Morrisonn $2,075,000
Adrian Aucoin $2,000,000
Sami Salo $2,000,000
Greg Zanon $1,933,333
Kurtis Foster $1,800,000
Chris Campoli $1,750,000
Kurt Sauer $1,750,000
Sheldon Souray $1,650,000
Nicklas Grossman $1,625,000
Milan Jurcina $1,600,000
Steve Staios $1,600,000
Matt Hunwick $1,550,000
Brett Clark $1,500,000
Francis Bouillon $1,350,000
Randy Jones $1,150,000
Shane O’Brien $1,100,000
Scott Hannan $1,000,000
Brad Lukowich $1,000,000
Mike Lundin $1,000,000
Colin White $1,000,000
Matt Carkner $700,000
Jason Garrison $675,000
Clayton Stoner $550,000
John Scott $512,000


Cristobal Huet $5,625,000
Martin Brodeur $5,200,000
Dwayne Roloson $3,000,000
Antero Niittymaki $2,000,000
Chris Mason $1,850,000
Michael Leighton $1,550,000
Dan Ellis $1,500,000
Tomas Vokoun $1,500,000
Jonas Gustavsson $1,350,000
Johan Hedberg $1,250,000
Scott Clemmensen $1,200,000
Alex Auld $1,000,000
Martin Biron $875,000
Johan Backlund $800,000
Ty Conklin $750,000
Josh Harding $750,000
Andrew Raycroft $650,000
Al Montoya $601,000
Curtis Sanford $600,000
Brent Johnson $600,000

Some of my personal suggestions, aside from Parise and Suter, that the Wings should target for various needs are:

Forwards - Brandon Prust, Paul Gaustad, Jason Arnott, Jiri Hudler, Brad Winchester, Milan Hejduk, George Parros, Jamal Mayers, David Jones, Mike Knuble
D-men - Hal Gill, Matt Carle, Barret Jackman, Colin White, Dennis Wideman
Goalie - Martin Biron, Josh Harding, Johan Hedberg

#2296446 We Need to Get Tougher to Play Against

Posted by WingNut 25 on 23 April 2012 - 10:28 PM

I've read a few times that Gaustad's contract asking price is going to be in the $4 million/year range. No thanks.

#2296253 What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

Posted by WingNut 25 on 23 April 2012 - 11:41 AM

Franzen for Morrow is one of the dumbest trade ideas in recent memory. Franzen, while streaky, pots close to 30 goals a year. His injuries have often been freak plays. Morrow throws a check and limps off the ice. He fills no void for the Wings.

To me, Parise is the "all in" UFA for this franchise. He'd be dynamite on a line with Datsyuk. I truly think Detroit is on his short list of destinations.

Suter is interesting because Nashville could go far this postseason and now has an ownership group that can pay him. The question for the Preds will simply be "Can we pay everyone?" Radulov is going to get a huge pay raise. Weber is UFA next summer and could easily get $10 million/year on the open market and the team has some other free agents they'll need to decide on. Given their depth of D, maybe they let Suter walk for the greater good. I think most can agree on the Wings making a huge push on both Suter and Parise. They are "need" players for the franchise. I can only hope management does not drop the ball this offseason as they have since 2009.

#2295297 What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

Posted by WingNut 25 on 21 April 2012 - 02:23 PM

Lidstrom disinterested? Wow that's a dumb observation. The guy was getting cortisone injections before games. He was basically playing with 1 leg. He was clearly hampered and far from 100%.

I think Parise is a very real option. Suter is gonna get $8 million/year from someone. If Lidstrom returns, which I don't believe he will, Holland needs to get realistic and offer him a $2 million base. This $6-7 mill/year BS is only hurting the club.

What were Zach's recent comments on the Wings? Just curious as I hadn't heard them.

#2294959 What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

Posted by WingNut 25 on 21 April 2012 - 12:19 AM

I sat there watching the handshake and my gut feeling is that Nick is done. He's 42 and clearly his body doesn't heal the way it used to. He went scoreless in the postseason to boot. I think Nick is going to see that as a sign he's not what he used to be and he'd rather not come back and be even less than what he was. Stuart is gone. My guess is he signs with the Ducks. I think Holmstrom is gone too. He was barely used on the PP and that, truly, was where he was most valuable. At this point he's useless if he's not being used on the PP. The bottom line is that the league has caught up to and figured this team out. Change HAS to happen. Management needs to realize the team isn't good enough to win a Cup anymore. With the uncertainty of the next CBA, it's hard to see them going after Parise and Suter. Suter, IMO, is the more important of the 2 if Nick retires. If he comes back, they need to switch the focus to Parise.

#2035284 The Tomas Tatar Fan Club (and nickname) is born

Posted by WingNut 25 on 22 September 2010 - 02:15 PM

First off let me say that training camp was an EPIC experience. Far and away the best trip of my life. I can't believe how many players I met and how many autographs I got.

So now onto the thread title. Erin (from LGW) and I made friends with 4 people in the autograph area that we ended up hanging out with all trip: Jason, Kevin, Ashley and Amanda. At some point we were discussing prospects and Tomas Tatar came up. Jason made mentioned of how he botched his name once before and referred to him as "Tartar." Instantly my brain got going and I said, "Then we need to give him the nickname of Sauce" in obvious reference to tartar sauce. We unanimously agreed it was both hilarious and awesome. We decided we would be his first fan club members and bestow the new name upon him. Well not long after, Tatar came out to sign autographs. Jason said he was going to tell Tomas about it all. So when he got to us and signed our stuff we told him the story and asked if we could nickname him Sauce. He loved it! He was so cool and laughing about it. Jason quickly asked him to sign his program "Sauce" above where he had signed his name and the best part is he spelled it "Souse." So now Tomas Tatar is nicknamed Sauce but spelled Souse. Jason made a sign for the Red & White game with Souse Fan Club #21 on it and Tomas skated by, smiled and nodded his head. So freakin cool! I told Tomas it is gonna spread like wildfire!

#2024788 NHL examining other long term contracts

Posted by WingNut 25 on 10 August 2010 - 11:35 AM

Just further proof that the CBA was a joke and truly not needed. Bettman needs to go.

#2024457 Wings sign Ruslan Salei

Posted by WingNut 25 on 09 August 2010 - 02:29 PM

I'd say this fits the bill in terms of what Kenny wanted. Good, cheap signing and it paves the way for them to unload the useless Derek Meech. He should have gotten the boot long ago in favor of Kyle Quincey, a move which continues to look horrible as Quincey develops into a solid offensive D-man who would look outstanding on our 3rd pair.

#1992107 Hossa

Posted by WingNut 25 on 31 May 2010 - 10:34 PM

I'd still take him on the Wings in a heartbeat.