Didn't like the player, but appreciate the couple of seasons he had where he was the go to guy on this team. More importantly, just because someone isn't liked as a player, doesn't mean he is not respected as a man/husband/father. That I do. Get well for your kids and yourself, hockey is nothing compared to family. It has to be hard because that is all he has known since a little boy, and hanging em up early has to be a real hard decision. That being said, and as much as I believe he should LTIR retire, I also believe he will attempt a comeback next season to see where he is at, but with the years of problems he has had, I don't think it will turn out in his favor as a player. He'll always be part of this team, and always be remembered as the player that dominated the 2008 Stanley Cup Playoffs helping the team win the Stanley Cup. That is his legacy, and nothing, not a forced LTIR retirement or a loudmouth, fly off the handle, talk too much out of his ass forum user (MODS, am I aloud to verbally attack myself? ) can change that or take that away. But one more hit can take away your livelihood and precious time with your children. Good luck in your life and good luck if you attempt to come back, but mostly, and this is coming from that loudmouth user, Thank You for those few magical years and Thank You for the 2008 Stanley Cup! Goodspeed Johan Franzen, you will forever live in Red Wings lore!
..before you get upset, this is not another "What the team will look like next season" thread nor is it a "What I/You think this team needs" one.
It's simply this, even though it was The Hurricanes, but this is the first time we got to see the "future wings" play a game. That is, without our current leaders. That being said, sure the current leaders still have a few more years left to tutor and pass on experience to these guys, but soon the team, for the most part, you saw yesterday is going to be the team that carries on the torch and tradition.
Are you happy with the way the "new blood" handled the game yesterday and what impressed you the most or who?
I am so impressed time after time with how the Wings have so much new blood, yet can continue to not turn into to a "rebuild" team like Edmonton is, Chicago and Pitt were and like Buffalo is going to be. It's simply amazing that players like Marchenko can come up and just play like he has been here and actually play better than Vets that have been here a few. Can't say enough about Mrazek, once he finds that consistency he looks like he is going to be lights out. Nyquist and Tatar along with Sheahan? My goodness, I can think of no less than 29 other teams that would sell their wives to have that trio on their team.
All in all, IMO, this team has the brightest future of at least 95% of the rest of the NHL, and the other 5% their future is starting right now or next year. Once Pav and Z hang em up, these "kids" if we can even call them that anymore, are going to have so much more knowledge and experience, the Red Wings future, which may not start for another 3-4 years, is going to launch this organization into a new orbit. I can only hope that these players (and the projected ones in GR) continue the direction they are headed!
Oh and I think the biggest reason the team can play so well without their leaders, most of these kids played and won a Championship together in GR. They know each other and know each other well!
Good on you Kenny Holland, for as many of us that question your draft picks, you just keep proving us wrong! Keep it up Kenny!
There is no reason that this (future) team cannot keep this winning tradition up for years and years!
I cannot photoshop from work, but isn't this a Photoshop WAR thread, not pay homage to Steve Yzerman one? Way too many positive things towards the enemy's leader right now. I know Steve is a special case, but in the end, he is trying to beat us! All of you awesome photoshoppers out there just may have to swallow some pride and get busy destroying the Lightning! That is All...
We are all fans of the patch on the front of the jersey. Yet, there are players that don that jersey that some just don't like. I have been a fan since 1979 (9 years old) and remember well the "dead wings" the "cant win the big game" and the "lose every year in round 1" Wings teams as well. Just because you are an old timer who likes the game the way it was, or if you are someone who doesn't know anything about Red Wings Hockey prior to 1997 or for some 2002. We are ALL fans, and fans, whether watching through rose colored glasses or fans that criticize their least favorite players or coaches or GM's or as simple as a line combo or starting goalie, we are all still fans of this team.
I can look over the last 30 years of players on this team and can come up with at least 5 or 6 players I could not/cannot stand. Most of you know them well, but even when a player shows up that you may not like nor enjoy watching, and you talk (very) harshly of that said player, it doesn't mean you aren't a fan of the team, nor don't want the team to do well even though said player is still playing on the team. I firmly believe that even though being able to ***** about the bad and cheer for the good doesn't make either side a "better" fan, but I do feel that having conversations with the "critical" fan makes for a more enjoyable fan experience. I maintain it would pretty boring if all "fans" just licked the ice the team skated on and had nothing to say but that "nothing the Wings do is wrong, no mistakes are huge, no one does anything wrong because they are Red Wings..." But even that "fan" is a "fan." Informed fans are awesome to talk hockey with, but still doesn't mean they are "real" or not. Just because someone didn't think Lidstrom was the be all end all in the world, doesn't mean they aren't a fan. As well, just because someone thinks Hudler is Omnipotent, doesn't mean they aren't a fan either...of course he is pretty popular in Calgary right now. I still don't miss him, but that doesn't mean that I didn't wish the Wings would win when he was here...
...as much as I cannot stand Franzen and Howard (amongst others) I still want the Wings to make the playoffs every year and get a chance to win the Cup every year whether they play or someone else plays. Yes, even folks that say "tank it" are fans.
...if Wings miss the playoffs, the team needs to dump all the dead weight. It's been the worst stretch since 89-90 and it's not like the team was battling to make the playoffs and came up short, they were tied for 1st overall just two months ago at one point, they've been playing like s*** since. I think I'd be a bit happier if they were out of the picture all year long, then just barely missed them, rather than whats happening right now...
The D needs a shot of roids, there is no way Kindl, Quincey, Ericsson can be on this team next season (sadly they will.) It's really time for Holland to think about trading a 1st round pick and (even though I don't like it) one of his top prospects in order to get a legit #1 defender. I think he should trade for that guy, re-sign Zidz and even look for a UFA to make this D #1 in the NHL. If it means trading one of the prized defenders in GR, so be it.
I also agree Pav and Z need to be on the same line. Sheahan is well talented enough to be a 2nd line center. Helm has been doing fine in the top 6, but he is excellent in the bottom 6. Do you want him to do fine or excellent? I know it worked for Abby, but this could be a fluke year for him. If not, then great, he can stay in the top 6. I think Jurco (if not traded) should also be a top 6 forward along with Pulk. Sure that is too many top 6 guys, but like I said, Helm and even Abby can really take control of the bottom 6. But honestly, for the first time in a while, there are just too many forwards that can playt in the top 6. Z, Pav, Tatar, Nyquist, Pulk, Jurco, Sheahan, Cole (if re-signed,) Abby, hell even Weiss (but I assume he will be traded to a team of his choice.) That is why I do believe the focus MUST, MUST be on the D. Q, K, E are ALL no better than a #4 guy (barely.) We need a #1 and a #3/#4. Big changes I know, but no longer does this team need "tweaks." It needs changes...