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#2530864 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by kipwinger on 09 July 2014 - 03:17 PM

I definitely don't think that Garrison is as good as Green, and Garrison is under contract, but the two scenarios would be similar in that they're both cap dumps of offensive defensemen in the 30-40 pts. range.  So starting with something similar is not a bad idea.  If Garrison was worth a second then Detroit should probably start with a 2nd plus a little more and go from there.  All this talk about starting with Tatar or Jurco is nuts. 




#2530856 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by Datsyukian-Deke on 09 July 2014 - 02:52 PM

As far as picks go, I could see Holland offering a conditional 4th round pick that would turn into a 2nd round pick if Green re-signs with us.


#2530858 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by kipwinger on 09 July 2014 - 02:57 PM

What did Garrison go for?  I'd start with a package that was just a little better than that and work my way up. 




#2530752 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by DickieDunn on 09 July 2014 - 09:54 AM

That would be a huge overpayment


#2530803 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by krsmith17 on 09 July 2014 - 12:23 PM

Dabura, how many times does it need to be said that Green could very well be a rental?... Why would you give up any promising assets for a guy that could bolt after this season? No way, any of our top prospects should be involved in a trade to get Green.




#2530793 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by krsmith17 on 09 July 2014 - 12:13 PM

Toews and Kane signed identical 8 year, $10.5M contracts...

 

Anyone else feel that the Hawks could be screwed cap wise in the near future?...




#2530783 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by Shinzaki on 09 July 2014 - 11:30 AM

Ferraro has no future here...Glendening and Callahan have passed him in the system so far as 4th "grit" players go...so he'd probably welcome a trade.  If the Caps will take him and a pick (I agree that a 4th or maybe a 3rd) should do it.  If the Caps insist on a guy like Tatar or Jurco, then I'll say no thanks and take my chances that Marchenko is ready to be a puck moving RH defenseman.




#2530701 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by brett on 08 July 2014 - 07:15 PM

if we have to give up a guy like tatar or nyquist let it be for a guy like yandle or bogo




#2530471 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by joshy207 on 07 July 2014 - 05:42 PM

 

I didn't say don't trade our youth. I said don't trade those specific players. In fact I made a point of saying I'm not anti-trade.

 

I'd be more than open to trading a combination of a high draft pick and one or two of Tatar, Pulkinnen, Backman, Ouellet for the right piece.

 

But it better be a damn good piece...

 

 

I see it as a slow build and "stocking of the shelves" and not a status of neutral. We're building WHILE staying competitive and that's tougher than it sounds.

 

We currently have the 3rd highest ranked group of prospects in the entire league AND we've got a playoff team. Only Anaheim, Chicago and Tampa Bay also have that Potential/Current talent mix.

 

No we're not a "legitimate contender" but with the right move or two and our young core furthering their development, we could see a serious run soon.  Yes I believe that.

 

I don't disagree.  I think it might be 2 or 3 moves, but that includes subtraction.  My issue is that Holland doesn't seem to have the minerals to make those moves anymore.




#2530457 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 07 July 2014 - 04:21 PM

...although it seems now he isn't too concerned about making moves for an immediate run. But he also is NOT endangering our future. I like our kids and our top 25 prospects.

 

I definitely don't think it is the worst thing in the world to see what this roster can do with the kids having spots right out of camp. Getting that top 4 puck moving dman is the only glaring need, where as the rest can definitely can be gauged a few months into the season. If the team is competing and winning, the time would definitely then be right to put some of those assets to use to fill any holes in the lineup. As long as the moves make sense. But the kids have to take that next step in their development for things to get there. They got to show that they can produce consistently, and still make an impact against the best teams in the league. 




#2530449 What's best for Mantha?

Posted by Son of a Wing on 07 July 2014 - 03:20 PM

Just because I take hard line stances, doesn't mean I am combative with people...anyhow, I love when people disagree with me, but not when they just go "you're stupid" or "you don't know anything about hockey"

 

anyhow, I've been here for a VERY long time and contribute a TON of stuff, so I am not worried about someone disagreeing with me. If everyone agreed with each other this would be a pretty boring forum.

 

Here is your link on Stralman saying no to Detroit:

 

http://www.letsgowin...dpost&p=2528074

 

I'm not questioning your status/role on this site.  Many of us have been here just as long... That doesn't make our opinion any more or less valid. We're still just one voice.

 

My point was that you can't really be THAT surprised that people take issue/offense to some of the things you say.  Especially when you are so confident in your stance despite the fact that it can be quite outlandish to many.

 

 

Anyways....I think Mantha would benefit most with some minor-league seasoning. Same with AA. Between those two and Pulkkinen we've got a nice diverse trio of forwards to choose from.




#2530395 What's best for Mantha?

Posted by Dabura on 07 July 2014 - 12:09 PM

If Dan Daniel Danny Cleary returns and Anthony Mantha starts the season in GR, the whole world can go get bent.




#2530351 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by Richdg on 07 July 2014 - 09:08 AM

 

The way I see it, Holland is reluctant to give the younger players a chance at all.  He leaves that as the last possible resort in most cases.  If the Wings hadn't gone through all the injuries in 2012/13, we would not have seen Tatar, Nyquist, or Andersson at all.  It would have been Helm, Bertuzzi, and Samuelsson.  Lashoff wasn't in the plans, but they had to call him up and use him a lot.  The Wings didn't seem to have any plans on using DeKeyser when they signed him, he was set to be GR-bound after a few days, but an opening presented itself and he had practiced well.  In 13/14, we would not have seen Sheahan, Jurco, or Glendening at all, Nyquist may have been buried in the minors all season, and Tatar, Andersson, DeKeyser, and Lashoff wouldn't have had their previous experience.  This summer, Almquist is leaving for the KHL without having a chance to show whether he is or isn't capable of playing in the NHL.  Callahan and Ferraro are out of waiver exemptions and have 1 and 4 NHL games, respectively, on their resumes.

Lately, I think Holland's moves are the comfortable ones for him, not the "right" moves.  I'll skip the misery of the 2012 off-season, but that wasn't his only shortcoming.  He gave up a 2nd-round pick, a valued prospect, and a depth forward in exchange for Legwand, who turned out to be a rental... yes, they needed a center for a few games, but he ended up being a 4th-line winger as soon as those centers started to come back.  was it worth both the pick and the prospect?  That trade helped keep the playoff streak alive, so maybe it was worth it financially and for pride, but it gives them two less pieces with which to build.  Re-signing Bertuzzi back when he did, in February 2012, was poorly timed IMO, but again, it's someone Holland was comfortable with.  Keeping Cleary around last year, when he'd been awful for 2 seasons and the club had no roster or payroll space to do so, was a bad move... and now they're talking about ANOTHER contract?  Keeping Quincey was a knee-jerk reaction to failing on every free agent they talked to.  Yes, it "buys time" for either Holland to make another move (he won't) or for the prospect D to develop a little more, but unless there's a corresponding move where Kindl is shipped out of town, it's not a good deal.

I don't think there will be an upswing this year.  A healthy Datsyuk and Zetterberg should help, but if you look at it, last year, with both in the lineup earlier in the year, the Wings weren't in a playoff position.  It's after Datsyuk went out that they started to make their push, and solidified that position with Zetterberg out also.  They did that on the shoulders of a motivated Franzen (after someone pissed him off with a cheapshot) and the young guys that Holland didn't want in Detroit.

Unless a move, or moves, are made later in the summer, we're looking at almost exactly the same roster that lost to Boston in 5 games, struggled to score, and couldn't handle the better opponent.  There are no additions, only subtractions--Legwand, Bertuzzi, and possibly Alfredsson and Cleary.  How is that inspiring at all?


 

Sometimes different is all it takes.  New voice, fresh blood, different look.

 

Doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results?  That's the definition of insanity.

Josh, you are spot on. All those young players that Holland is so reluctant to trade, he didn't want in detroit. He was FORCED to call them up and play them because all of his UFA signing and guys he gave long tern deals to got hurt.

So many want to blame the training staff for our injuries, why not to guy that brought in a bunch of injury prone players? How long has Betr had a bad back? hank? Will Helm ever play more than 70 games again? Sammy the walking MASH ward, etc...... Add in the age of these guys, no wonder why we have 3 seasons in a row filled with injuries. Who put together this roster?

I have said it for 2 years, either build a team for one or 2 more serious runs at the Cup for D and Z, or get rid of the old crap and rebuild. We are doing neither. Which would be more exciting right now? making the PO's and losing in the 1st round, or drafting McDavid? Which would be better for the 2020 season? It isn't possible to do both.....




#2530004 Hockey News: Red Wings D hunting

Posted by MileHighWingsGuy on 04 July 2014 - 05:15 PM

Holland trading for Defense this year will be just like last years Holland trading to get rid of the glut of forwards...it just never happens. Holland washed his hands of free

agency when he re-signed Quincey. It was his way of saying there we're set. Every year whether at the trade deadline or free agency we wait for a big move and it just never comes.

I hope no one is waiting this year, it won't happen until we get a new GM.




#2529806 Hollands new contract a no brainer?

Posted by frankgrimes on 03 July 2014 - 03:04 PM

Original 6 franchise, formerly known as the destination for UFAs and now the reality...so yeah this is really a no brainer. He has an eye for talent so let him move up become the VP and guide the new GM. We really blew it with Stevie and Jim.

 

As for Babcock easiest decision ever, the guy will have half the league looking for him and he has the chance to coach Crosby and Malkin during their prime years, sadly for us this is also a no-brainer. Guy will be gone as soon as his contract is up and I don't blame him one bit, Holland hasn't given him the tools to succeed.