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#2621380 Pulkkinen re-signs.... 1 year deal

Posted by FlashyG on 23 July 2015 - 10:44 PM

There is nothing wrong with that, but some people are acting like he's some kind of goal scoring God who will score 40+ a year and anyone who disagrees is a hater.

 

Negativity and Pulkamania, 2 things that don't go together brother.

 

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NHL...Whatcha gonna do when the Pulkster runs wild on you?




#2621376 Pulkkinen re-signs.... 1 year deal

Posted by krsmith17 on 23 July 2015 - 07:04 PM

Well that someone isn't me... I do however believe he could potentially become a 25-30 goal scorer once he reaches his prime... that while not being a liability on the ice, like some people believe he is / will be... He's not nearly as bad defensively as some are claiming, and we don't need all defensive dynamos up front. We could however use a pure goal scorer with an unbelievable shot up front...


#2621323 Lovable Dan Cleary update thread

Posted by rick zombo on 23 July 2015 - 12:32 PM

I agree with Gretzky, Nyquist should have started that season in Detroit, also I agree last season, Jurco should've spent the year in GR, considering he had the exemption, he would've developed a little more to the NA game. Not that he would've been a big hit here, but we would have never lost Nestrasil for nothing.  Sure, the log jam this year would've been a body larger, but who knows...I know he wasn't a huge loss, but you guys know my disgust with losing someone or nothing.

 

ALTHOUGH, after Nyquist was called up he was the hottest scorer in the league practically, could you imagine the contract he'd have now (as opposed to $4.75M) if he had played that entire season and scored at that pace for 65-82 games?

 

Adam Gretz. Hockey writer.




#2621283 Pulkkinen re-signs.... 1 year deal

Posted by krsmith17 on 23 July 2015 - 10:15 AM

kickazz, as I stated above, Pulkkinen isn't nearly as one-dimensional as some people claim. He works his ass off in all three zones, and he absolutely does back-check. Chances are he's not going to be a Selke candidate or anything, but it's not like he watches the play go the other way and just coasts back... All of this "one-dimensional" bullsh*t is exactly that... bullsh*t. People think just because he was an offensive machine in the American League, he doesn't get involved on the defensive side of things. That simply isn't true...

 

Not a single person is saying that Pulkkinen should get 19 minutes a night against the other teams top lines. As far as I know, everyone including myself think he should and are expecting him to get 3rd line minutes and along with the power-play. My bet is, Pulkkinen is no worse than Nyquist or Tatar defensively or on the back-check when they first entered the league. Both are probably better at this point, and like them, Pulkkinen will improve in that area as well...




#2621266 Preliminary Red Wings Training Camp Roster

Posted by Helmethead on 23 July 2015 - 09:38 AM

To change things a bit...do you guys think that Larkin has a legit chance of making the opening night roster? Dats is out until December by the sounds of it. If Larkin has a great camp and tears it up in the exhibition games, I think he should make the team. Other years I recall Tatar and Nyquist having good camps but not making the team. This year Kenny sounds different. I think Larkin has a real chance of making the team if he is indeed ready and deserves it.

I was thinking of some potential lines...

Zetterberg-Richards-Abdelkader
Nyquist-Sheahan-Tatar
Jurco-Larkin-Pulkkinen
Miller-Glendenning-Helm


#2621252 Pulkkinen re-signs.... 1 year deal

Posted by Dabura on 22 July 2015 - 11:50 PM

We're not going to get a Buffy-level player for him, despite what some people think.

 

I'm assuming "Buffy" = Byfuglien...?

 

If the Jets do move Byfuglien, it probably won't be for all that much, as he's on an expiring contract and he's going to Get Paid next summer (so, you can trade for him, but don't expect to have a shot at keeping him past 2016 if you're not willing to give him big money and long term. And even if you do offer him big money and long term, there'll be other teams offering just as much as you're offering, if not more.)

 

This piece, written by a knowledgeable Jets fan for a knowledgeable Jets community [Note: I'm not implying that you folks aren't knowledgeable], suggests a realistic return might be Pulkkinen and a defenseman...

 

Detroit seems to be an ideal destination for all parties. Detroit is insanely deep with left handed defensemen and could use another righty. This trade makes a ton of sense for both the Jets and Red Wings. For a trade of Dustin Byfuglien to Detroit to go through, the Red Wings would probably offer Teemu Pulkkinen and maybe a defensive prospect like Xavier Ouellet.

 

Believe it or not, I wouldn't necessarily pull that trigger. While I really, really, really, really, really want to see us swing a trade for Byfuglien, and while it's fashionable to say Pulkkinen isn't going to be an impact player at the NHL level because "zomg he's one-dimensional," moving two of our better young assets for only one guaranteed year (or less) of Byfuglien would not be a total no-brainer.

 

And, about Pulkkinen: he shoots, he scores. He puts up points. I like points. I like scoring. Every team needs producers, us more than most (especially at even strength, where we're absolutely toothless). Five goals in 30 games projects to about 12 goals over a full season. If we assume he plays good minutes with quality linemates for a full season and that he takes even just the slightest step forward in his development, he's probably good for 15-20 next season (2015-16). 15-20 goals for $735,000 is the kind of bang-for-your-buck you need if you're going to build a serious contender with staying power. If he becomes the power play hammer of death we all know he can be, 25 goals isn't out of the question.

 

Again, the kid scores. He lives to score. He loves to score. He's gifted. It's not like "Yeah, well, he's not gonna have time to get his shot off, and NHL goalies are the best, so he's not gonna score. He's just so one-dimensional." I love one-dimensional. I want one-dimensional. We have more than enough 200-foot players who can play all four positions at the same time and backcheck in their sleep. Give me a specialist who specializes in something as amusingly trivial as putting the puck in the other team's net. ("When would would we ever have a need for that?") I'm not saying all this as an argument against pursuing Byfuglien. (Byfuglien puts up points. I like points. I especially like defensemen who put up points. I super-especially like defensemen who play against the opposition's best players every night and still manage to put up points.) I'm saying we shouldn't knock Pulkkinen when he's obliterated the AHL and played in fewer than 40 NHL games.




#2621238 Pulkkinen re-signs.... 1 year deal

Posted by GoWings1905 on 22 July 2015 - 08:05 PM

Yes... Join the haters. We have cake.


Yup, I hate a player that wears the uniform of my favorite team. That was clearly what I was getting at in my post. God forbid anyone has a dissenting opinion about a player on a discussion board.


#2621217 Remaing RFAs to be signed - Jurco, Pulkkinen, Aubry

Posted by Buppy on 22 July 2015 - 03:02 PM

Stats don't tell the whole story. Tatar and Nyquist can drive the play. Pulkkinen doesn't.

Typical vague nonsense that people like to resort to when the stats are against them. How am I supposed to debate that? Yes he does? As riveting as a good "can to/can not" exchange would be, I think I'll pass. I suspect "drive the play" just means whatever you think you can describe that Pulkkinen doesn't do well, but Nyquist and Tatar do.

 

The thing with un-quantifiable metrics is that they don't mean anything until they're translated to something you can quantify. Tatar and Nyquist can drive the s*** out of a play like no one ever has, does, or ever will again, and if it doesn't result in anything measurable than it's worthless. But even that didn't happen. We weren't all sitting around watching Nyquist score 3g and 6p in 22 games, saying, "Damn, did you see him drive that play? That was some play driving right there! That play got it's ass drove off!".

 

They didn't step into the NHL and play like 30g scorers from day one, but get really unlucky with the puck just not going in. They played, looked good at times, poor at times, but mostly unnoticeable except in that people who were excited to see them payed them special attention. Not at all unlike Pulkkinen. Then with more time and experience they improved. Made better decisions, quicker decisions, adjusted to the competition...the way most young players do. 

 

Will Pulkkinen be able to adjust and improve? That's always the question. Could ask the same of any our prospects. But is it possible he could? Absolutely.




#2621150 Remaing RFAs to be signed - Jurco, Pulkkinen, Aubry

Posted by Buppy on 22 July 2015 - 01:52 AM

It's not turning on him, it's looking at a player without rose colored glasses. He doesn't have good speed, couldn't get open, and looked completely one dimensional.

And neither Nyquist nor Tatar looked very good, nor produced more, in their initial call-up seasons. Neither were as good in the AHL. Yet neither had the same kind of doubt that people seem to have for Pulk.

 

I think speed is a part of it. Speed is a very noticeable trait, and tends to make players look better than they really are. But there are a lot of good players in the NHL who don't have great speed.

 

I also think his slapshot works against him, oddly enough. Like it's so good and so effective in the AHL, people don't see anything else. But there is a lot more to his game. He plays well with and without the puck, he's persistent, drives the net, excellent wrister, half-slap, anticipates well, skates hard (even though not blazingly fast), decent stickhandling. He even backchecks and forechecks hard.

 

Will it all translate to success in the NHL? You hardly ever know with any prospect. But I can't remember any prospect who's been this good at this stage with this much negativity.




#2621149 Pulkkinen re-signs.... 1 year deal

Posted by Buppy on 22 July 2015 - 12:48 AM

 

Because you implied that Nyquist benefited from playing with Zberg, while Pulks toiled on the 4th line. And no, not 12:08 maybe, 11:68 is his average TOI/PG for his first 40 games.

I believe what he was saying is that 11:68 is 12:08, as there are only 60 seconds in a minute.




#2621047 Holtby Asking for $8M

Posted by toby91_ca on 21 July 2015 - 10:11 AM

I know you go in with a high number to start with, but a bit much if you ask me.

 

I'm not sure why I can't cut and paste links or even quote others posts....but there is an article at tsn.ca




#2621073 Remaing RFAs to be signed - Jurco, Pulkkinen, Aubry

Posted by kickazz on 21 July 2015 - 12:26 PM

it appears that its going just a bit hard re-signing these two. Guess Holland just assumed that they would take the leftover tablescraps. Too many overpaid contracts on this team. Too many useless players that can easily be replaced with cheaper contracts.

Well you asked where you were wrong and here is just a prime example.

 

Pulk just re-signed. A mere two days after you claimed it would be hard. Lol




#2620778 Lovable Dan Cleary update thread

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 17 July 2015 - 12:56 PM

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#2620744 Lovable Dan Cleary update thread

Posted by FlashyG on 16 July 2015 - 10:58 PM

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#2620620 Free agents this off season

Posted by Datsyukian-Deke on 15 July 2015 - 12:05 PM

That's why Mike Green was smart. He didn't get the term he wanted so instead he chose a team which would be a good fit for his style of game. Plus he gets to make the same yearly salary he was making in Washington. Now Franson is going to have to accept a much lesser deal because he over estimated his value and misread the market.


Now the Wings can sign Franson for 4 mill,and trade Ericsson for a 4th rounder and kindl for a 7th.