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#2673508 Fixing this mess....

Posted by Jacksoni on 25 April 2016 - 11:50 AM


I apologize again for generalizing that Swedes, more specific our Swedes care more about National Play than the Cup. Looks like I put a foot in my mouth with that post elimination post I wrote. My bad...


I can confirm this, just listened to the coach of the Swedish national team while he was interviewed. At least Z, E and Kronwall have some sense in them. Hopefully that results in improvement next season.

#2673498 Who gets the "A" when datsyuk leaves?

Posted by kickazz on 25 April 2016 - 11:07 AM

I'd give it to DK before Abby.


Much as I like Abby he's considered a dirty player by a few around the league (not saying I consider him one) and he's not that good of a player. Imo A's and C's in this era should go to your best players and role models. DK is their top D man and Larkin is the future main center. Those two are likely leading candidates for it. 

#2673455 Fixing this mess....

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 24 April 2016 - 11:20 PM

I swear this is ground hog day every year....

Except this year no one here will be complaining about Franzen's contract or us bringing back Cleary.


(I'm going to pre-empt someone's joke of "don't speak too soon.")

#2672918 ECQF Game 5 Post-GDT: at Tampa Bay 1, Red Wings 0 (TB Wins, 4-1)

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 22 April 2016 - 08:17 AM

Would love it if we could somehow bring in stammer and backes up front while using Tatar + to bring in vatanen.

Larkin- stamkos- Nyquist
AA- backes- mantha
Zetts- sheahan- pulk
Jurco- glendening- Abby

Also get rid of E and Howard somehow some way.

DK- vatanen
Smith- green
Kronwall- marchy

XO/Jensen/ sproul


LOL.  Now let's talk about what will actually happen.


Nyquist - Zetterberg - Abdelkader

Tatar - Richards - Larkin

AA - Sheahan - Mantha

Miller - Helm - Glendenning


Kronwall - Ericsson

DeKeyser - Green

Smith - Marchenko





Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the 2016-17 Detroit Red Wings.   :clap:

#2670052 Fixing this mess....

Posted by kipwinger on 17 April 2016 - 04:46 PM

In other words you want nothing to happen. Which by the way is what I expect to happen. Nothing.

Sure. If that's how you call it. Another is that we are transitioning to youth. Something you've repeatedly advocated. I'd let the old free agents walk. Make market rate offers to Stamkos and Okposo (no harm if they go elsewhere), trade Pulkkinen to move up as far as possible in the draft (selecting the best offensive defenseman possible), and pencil ALL of Mantha, AA, Larkin, and Callahan into next years lineup.

#2671377 ECQF Game 4 GDT : Tampa Bay Lightning at Red Wings, 7:00 EST

Posted by Jacksoni on 19 April 2016 - 07:51 PM


I agree with this. Nuf said.


I retract my previous statement. For now. ;)

#2671326 ECQF Game 4 GDT : Tampa Bay Lightning at Red Wings, 7:00 EST

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 19 April 2016 - 07:44 PM

KEEP SHOOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!

#2671103 ECQF Game 4 GDT : Tampa Bay Lightning at Red Wings, 7:00 EST

Posted by anthonyn66 on 19 April 2016 - 06:30 PM

The fact that AA is only on the ice like 3 times a period is a digrace

#2669950 ECQF Game 3 GDT : Tampa Bay Lightning at Red Wings, 7:00 EST

Posted by RedWingfaninCO on 17 April 2016 - 09:10 AM

My sister (who is going through chemo) and my nephew flew to Detroit yesterday for the game. I'm hoping the Wings play their hearts out so that everyone wearing the winged-wheel can leave The Joe smiling, high-fiving, and feeling great!

Go Wings!!!

#2668483 ECQF Game 1 Post-GDT: at Tampa Bay 3, Red Wings 2

Posted by NerveDamage on 14 April 2016 - 12:35 PM



#2668482 ECQF Game 1 Post-GDT: at Tampa Bay 3, Red Wings 2

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 14 April 2016 - 12:32 PM

Herman is the real deal best player on the ice easily



#2668466 ECQF Game 1 Post-GDT: at Tampa Bay 3, Red Wings 2

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 14 April 2016 - 11:38 AM

All you saying Z is done. Not that I don't disagree, but I remember a couple months or so ago when I said "Z should retire" and "we have 5 more years of him" I caught holy hell, even got a 7 day suspension arguing about it. I even called him Old Man Logan lots of times. Nice of you all to join me on the wagon!


I remember a thread earlier this year where I suggested trading him for Thornton (Joe, not Shawn), and people said they wouldn't.  I wonder how many still feel the same way after Thornton scored 82 points in 82 games?  


Zetterberg, talent wise, is where Yzerman was in his last few years.  Difference is, Yzerman wasn't on the top line and we had Datsyuk and Zetterberg as young stars carrying the load.  This team has no young stars so we keep Zetterberg on the top line role when he clearly shouldn't be there.  It's sad to watch the decline of a player and the decline of an organization that doesn't have a future lined up.

#2668464 ECQF Game 1 Post-GDT: at Tampa Bay 3, Red Wings 2

Posted by marcaractac on 14 April 2016 - 11:14 AM

I'm just straight up sick of vets being allowed to be bad night in and night out, whereas if one of the kids make one single mistake they are either scratched or barely played.

There is zero accountability on the vets, and the kids aren't given any room to grow what so ever.

#2667174 Fixing this mess....

Posted by DickieDunn on 11 April 2016 - 09:03 PM

If Holland doesn't trade that contract PLUS gives DD $5.5M, he really needs to be fired!

If he gives Dekeyser that much, I'll camp on his lawn with a Fire Holland sign

#2667158 Fixing this mess....

Posted by Buppy on 11 April 2016 - 07:46 PM


All of this is to say, I think our head coach and/or general manager has/have to come to understand and appreciate what many fans already know: Joakim Andersson and Jonathan Ericsson are not The Answer. Limiting Athanasiou to five minutes of ice time in big games is profoundly foolish, especially with Datsyuk leaving in the summer and an enormous void opening up at the top of our depth chart. The priority this season and next season has to be transitioning to a younger core, not trying to squeeze one.more.playoff.berth. out of our veterans' butts.


By all means, try to land a Martin Hanzal, someone who can play against the opposition's best players, allowing Larkin and Athanasiou to develop their game against weaker matchups. But don't cage creativity. Don't stifle scoring ability. Don't preach defense for the sake of "learning how to defend real well." I don't even want our defensemen worrying about defending. I want a precise, relentless quick-strike transition game. I want the game to be played on the opposition's half of the ice, because we always have the puck and we're always forcing the other team to play without the puck and "defend real well."


Suggested Reading


1. Darryl Sutter:
2. Dave Tippett:

3. Ken Hitchcock and the Non-Stop Blues

4. Ken Hitchcock's Reliance on Rookies Is Paying Off

We have been transitioning. Half our team has played 3 or fewer full seasons. Playing Mantha or giving AA more minutes isn't going to make a difference in anything. Whatever the kids become will be determined by their physical abilities, their talent, the years of dedication, training, and hard work they've done and will continue to do going forward. Not by a few minutes with Datsyuk.


In regards to the second part, it's important to realize that the variances in possession are not really that much. It would probably surprise most people to learn that in 5v5 CF%, Detroit was tied for 8th in the league this year. 51.7%. Pittsburgh was 2nd at 52.7%. LA was first with one of the best seasons recorded at 56.4%. While Sutter and others may make hyperbolic statements about always defending or always having the puck, those are extremes that just don't exist in the real world. They're just exaggerations to make a point.


Also worth noting that Sutter's and Hitchcock's teams, despite being very good teams with loads of talent, don't really score very well. (Neither have Tippett's, but he hasn't had much talent either.) Not sure you can say "listen to these guys" and "don't stifle scoring ability" at the same time.



The piece of Tippet on D-Men perfectly applies to the Wings and Smith vs Ericsson, just to mention. But hey, let's keep sitting Smith because we signed him to the cheaper deal... *sigh*


Adding on to what I was saying above, that Tippett quote is a gross exaggeration. The variance between players isn't that extreme. This season, there is a pretty extreme (relatively speaking) difference between Smith and Ericsson (7.5% by Corsi or 8.3% by shots) that's 2-3 times the difference it's been in the past. Adjusted for zone starts and competition, the difference this year would probably drop to around 5.5-6%, and virtually nothing in past years. Also, by goals the difference is about 1.8% this year, and 1% historically. Again if adjusted it would be even closer.


Maybe Smith has progressed enough this year that he deserves to be ahead of E on the depth chart, but it's not nearly as cut and dry as people think.


That is before we resign any RFA's. Mrazek will get 3, Dekeyser will get 5-6, Sheahan around 2. Now if I raad this right Franzen hasn't been removed from their numbers. I did the mnath last week and figured we would ahve about 15 million under the cap after the RFA's are resigned, Franzen to LTIR, and some guys are moved out in trade. But its not enough to improve the team AND replace Datsyuk. Holland has to trade the contract-which he has said he will not do.

Technically, Mitch Albom said that Datsyuk's agent said that "the Wings" said they wouldn't do that. But regardless, let's be realistic. If Datsyuk leaves, the chances of actually improving drop to more or less zero, regardless of how much cap we have available. There just aren't enough good players available.


The only way we're better next year is if we sign Stamkos or if the kids take a huge leap forward. We can go after Stamkos whether we dump Datsyuk first or not, so that's irrelevant. We'd likely have to trade his hit if we did land Stamkos (or at least that might be the easiest), but not to make him an offer. To be honest, I'm not even sure that Stamkos would be worth going after for what he'd likely cost.


If we don't sign Stamkos, there isn't much sense in going after any second-tier players who have already proven to be incapable of leading a team to a Cup (or even in many cases, to the playoffs). Ride it out with the kids, see where we're at, then maybe make moves at the deadline if the they look good enough to build around.