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#2554817 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 11:52 AM


all that is true, but unless you are unloading a top 6 guy from our team (and I would gladly make that Franzen) he is essentially coming here to fill the role of Helm, in which he probably will not get the opportunity to score 50 points in the role Helm plays.  That is why I think is would be better just to stick with Helm.  But I get what you are saying, improve every spot bit by bit. If he has better hands than Helm then he is already a bit of an upgrade!


And you said it yourself, Helm plus what to get him.  I think if we are trading Helm +, it should be for a top minute defender, or at least someone better than Kindl and fils more of our needs.


Helm is playing top six winger minutes.  Boedker is a top six winger.  He plays the same style as Helm.  He's just better, younger, bigger, and more durable.  Why wouldn't he produce more? 


I could see your argument if I was suggesting we bring this kid on, reduce his ice time, and bury him on the third line.  But he'd be coming onto this team and playing with Datsyuk and Tatar (as things are currently).  That's an excellent recipe for offensive success. 


Think about this







The only thing Helm provides that Boedker doesn't is the ability to play center.  And given how old and injury prone Dats and Z are, that's valuable.  But I'm increasingly confident that Sheahan can play the second line center in case of injury, and obviously Weiss can do it as well if he keeps trending upward.


I'm not here to bash Helm.  He's really come along after a slow start.  But I like big, strong, fast, durable, defensively responsible players.  I like them even better when they're all that and 24 years old.  I'd always trade an extra center for a guy like that. 

#2554807 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by rick zombo on 08 December 2014 - 11:29 AM

Stupid question in my mind. I mean, he knew the guy was famous and that's more than enough. Same thing here I know Mandela was famous but not why had to search it myself so a total nonstory.


It's like asking a hockeyplayer about a famous athlete from another sport. The guys should focus on hockey and that's all that counts, some reporters these days jesus..


Wait. Did you just excuse Bernier of his ignorance because you also didn't know who Mandela was? :lol: 


And this "hockey players" should only focus on hockey thing is complete crap, by the way. I'd expect these people to have, at least, a general f****** clue about what's going on outside of the sport. I guarantee that Bernier knows who Miley Cyrus is, for example,  FFS.

#2554789 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Red Crazy on 08 December 2014 - 10:09 AM


17 points in 21 games is dead weight???


Franzen has his issues, and he is definitely streaky, but to call him "dead weight" is a tad extreme.

But maybe this is the time to move him for a player that contributes every game or a top 4 d man? The best way of getting value for a player is when they are playing well. 

#2554783 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 08 December 2014 - 08:36 AM

It's funny that this thread is still a thing.

It's used as a not-so-thinly veiled attempt to bash certain players on this team.


The reality is, there isn't much to complain about with this team right now - tons of positives. The forward depth is fantastic, the defense has gelled well and goaltending has been solid. Special teams are clicking better than I can recall in recent memory.


I think the one place the team could use a shot to the arm is on that 2nd PP. The PP has been clicking well, no doubt about it. I just think it would be nice to get a more stable presence on the blueline of that second unit. Flopping back and forth between DD and Kindl wears a bit thin. First choice is a righty with some experience, and without term on his deal - Green, Franson, Zidlicky. They're all rentals, so I wouldn't want to ship much out for them. That's not realistic for those first two names, though.

Honestly, I would "settle" for the team finding a new home for Kindl, just so they can bring XO up here. Even though I think he's shown moment of solid offensive instinct, it's just clear that Jakub doesn't fit on the team, and I think that 2nd PP could use a more consistent presence at the point.

#2553349 12/2 GDT : Panthers 4 at Red Wings 3

Posted by Euro_Twins on 02 December 2014 - 07:56 PM

I'm in my twenties.
I've never seen an unkempt one.

Don't kid yourself. Plenty of 20 year olds keep em unkempt. You just gotta date em for 6 months first lol.

#2553348 12/2 GDT : Panthers 4 at Red Wings 3

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 02 December 2014 - 07:54 PM

I do like this team. Just wait until 3-4 more years!
just an observation, I like Mitchell, but he needs to shave. You mouth looks like an un-groomed va-j-j...meh, maybe it's just me.

I'm in my twenties.
I've never seen an unkempt one.

#2550966 Nestrasil Waived / Claimed by Hurricanes

Posted by Dominator2005 on 22 November 2014 - 02:17 PM

Matthias was traded (not "lost")

#2550277 Nestrasil Waived / Claimed by Hurricanes

Posted by kipwinger on 20 November 2014 - 04:12 PM

I love how everyone hates plus/minus until they can use it to bash someone they already hate.  If it's a stupid stat, it's a stupid stat always.

#2550261 Nestrasil Waived / Claimed by Hurricanes

Posted by wings1940 on 20 November 2014 - 03:53 PM

Why are people comparing Nestrasil to Cleary? Cleary isn't the reason Nestrasil got exposed and claimed on waivers. Cleary wasn't going to be waived, nor should he have been. Cleary brings so much more than what he shows on the ice to this team, the experience and leadership he provides, on and off the ice, can't just be replaced, and certainly not by a 23 year old kid. If not Nestrasil, Jurco would have been sent down, and maybe in hindsight that would have been the better choice. But where is all of this upside that everyone sees in Nestrasil? I just don't get it. He was a body on the ice for 13 games, a big body sure, but that's about it. He could barely crack the Grand Rapids line up last season and to be honest should have never cracked our lineup this season. It would have been nice to see him clear and provide some support down in Grand Rapids this year but in reality he probably never would have cracked the Wings lineup on a full time basis, not this year, not next year, not ever. We have a ton of more skilled guys knocking on the door, he will not be missed. We even have a player that we signed in the offseason who is similar in stature but much more skilled, in Tomas Nosek. Good luck in Carolina Nestrasil, unfortunately you will probably end up down in Charlotte after 30 days.

they are being compared because cleary should have been waived. i love how people talk about what cleary does off the ice. how would any of you know. are you in the locker room? i dont hear any players talking about how great cleary is. atleast nest wasnt a liability on the ice. he played d and skated hard. cleary cant even move out there. if he is so good as a leader and locker room guy then find a position in management for him. make one up. locker room cheerleader. but the guy only costs us when on the ice and that is stupid to do, i dont care what he does in the locker room

#2549656 Forsberg in HOF, Fedorov equal?

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 18 November 2014 - 09:19 AM

Fedorov will make it in.  Should be a first ballot choice, too.  

#2548641 Las Vegas rumored to get an expansion team

Posted by dirtydangles on 12 November 2014 - 11:50 AM

Maybe we can use the expansion draft to offload Weiss, Kindl, Quincey for free by leaving them unprotected. That would be realgud. 

#2545661 Las Vegas rumored to get an expansion team

Posted by Vladiator on 31 October 2014 - 01:08 AM

Panthers to Vegas? Hell the attendance couldn't get any worse in Miami; (snowbirds will just flock to TB)  plus that will even out the teams in each conference allowing for 3 divisions in each conference. 

#2548623 Stars trade Sergei Gonchar for Travis Moen from MTL

Posted by martinezsvsu on 11 November 2014 - 10:25 PM


That is one of the biggest mistakes a GM can make, doing a deal just for the sake of doing a deal. I'm not against trading or free agent signings, but I would take what Holland has done over bad trades and bad signings any day.


Moves can be great for a team, but the key to being a good GM is making the right moves at the right time for the right players.


You want to see a team that makes moves for the sake of making moves, look at the Leafs over the last 10 years for a perfect example of that.


Unfortunately some fans need immediate gratification (not saying you, this is a general statement) and if things aren't changed immediately, or if there isn’t a major move made, they freak out.

the difference is nill traded away the old washed up guy and freed up 4.6 mil in cap space.

#2547699 Red Wings Central Closing Down (completely) Nov. 7th

Posted by drumnj on 06 November 2014 - 07:05 PM

Back in September Matt (different Matt) said he was no longer doing articles and write-ups on prospects on Red Wings Central.  At the time he said that the forums would stay up, but a week ago he posted that they were being closed as well.  I didn't see anything posted here about it, HFboards had a farewell thread at the time.  I do have to say it was one of the better assesment sites for Wings prospects, especially the rankings.


Some of you may be familiar with the forums there, as it was pretty laid back...well since there was little to no moderation (so quite the opposite as here).  I would assume he's going to dedicate all his time to CapGeek (if you didn't know a Wings fan runs it) and everything will be pretty much frozen in time.  Just thought a post here wouldn't hurt as we are losing an exclusively Red Wings blog/news/forum site.

#2546767 GDT:11/4 Detroit Red Wings vs. Ottawa Senators 7:30p.m

Posted by TheXym on 04 November 2014 - 09:07 PM

nice to see Alex Chiasson following in dads footsteps. He was 10, I believe when Steve died.

That was a sad day. I always liked Steve when he was with the Wings.