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#2336844 Hudler takes a skate to the neck, goes to hospital -- not serious

Posted by LeftWinger on 27 December 2012 - 06:08 PM

Poor little Huddie... glad he's OK. Hope we get to see him....and the rest of the Wings... some day soon. He's still a Wing to me, even if he ends up in Calgary.

You mean "even though he ended up in Calgary..." He IS a Calgary Flame.

I may not like the tool, but I am damn glad he is OK. I watched BOTH Malarchuk and Zednik happen live on TV and neither of them was a pretty sight and were both super scary and made my heart skip...I thought I was watching someone die on the ice...Get Well soon Hudler, so when the NHL returns we can whoop your can!

#2336395 Every player a UFA?

Posted by LeftWinger on 19 December 2012 - 09:04 PM

When more than a third of your playoff roster accounting for some 45 playoff points comes from free agency you sure as hell didn't draft/develop the team internally. What would you call it?

Not that it would matter to you, anybody on the team is apparently expendable provided you've got the money no? Just part of good old fashioned hockey.

The point is, only three UFA's were acquired in 2001 for that season, Hull was the only one with more than 10 playoff points and he didn't sign until August 2001 and had plaenty of offers worth MORE money. Robitaille was signed to replace Lapointe and again, he chose Detroit when LA didn't want him, Illitch did not have to outbid anyone for him and nobody even remembered Olausson when Detroit signed him in May of 01....the rest of the team was either already there for years or acquired by trades, which in no way equals buying a Cup by signing all the top UFA's in one year to win a Cup...

if you are basing your opinion that way for the 2002 Cup, then Illitch must have bought all his Cups because he added pieces each of those years as well via UFA...if that is the case then every team buys the Cup every year...in 2001-2002 Illitch didn't even come near what Minnesota did last July and what Illitch tried to do himself...The core of 2002 was built via the draft and trades and were all there in 97 and 98...but I guess since Holland happened to draft tons of future HOF's and gave up valuable assests for missing pieces and happened to be the destination of players who wanted to win, I guess they never really earned it then....

also, those three UFA's accounted for 33 playoff points, 18 from Hull. That is only 17% of the playoff scoring...77% of the playoff scoring (minus the other UFA's) were from drafted and acquired players....Unfortunate for your argument, the Wings more than likely still win the Cup without the 33 points from those three UFA's....

#2336393 Every player a UFA?

Posted by LeftWinger on 19 December 2012 - 08:30 PM

And clearly if you have the choice you'll show no appreciation or loyalty to a good leader, teammate, and hockey player and instead err on the side of money and young legs. Classy dude.

He bought the cup in 2002.

Here we go.....

Steve Yzerman - draft pick

Brendan Shanahan - acquired for Paul Coffey and Keith Primeau Oct. 1996

Sergei Fedorov - draft pick

Brett Hull - signed as UFA August 22, 2001 WELL after 29 other teams could have offered him a contract.

Nick Lidstrom - draft pick

Chris Chelios - acquired for Ander Eriksson and TWO 1st round draft picks March 1999

Tomas Holmstrom - draft pick

Igor Larionov - acquired for Ray Sheppard Oct. 1995 - re-acquired for Yan Golubovsky Dec. 2000

Luc Robitalle - signed as UFA July 5th 2001 for his beloved LA Kings didn't even want him back that year...

Darren McCarty - draft pick

Pavel Datsyuk - draft pick

Kirk Maltby - acquired for Dan McGillis March 1996

Boyd Devereaux - signed as UFA August 23rd 2000, well after 29 other could have offered him a contract...

Frederick Olausson - signed as UFA May 2001 out of Swiss League (who else wanted him? Noone.)

Steve Duschesne - signed as UFA Sept. 1999 well after 29 other teams had a chance to offer a contract...

Kris Draper - acquired for $1 (CAN) and future considerations June 1993

Mathieu Dandenault - draft pick

Dom Hasek - acquired for Slava Kozlov and a 1st round pick July 2001

Uwe Krupp - signed as UFA July 1998

Manny Legace - signed as UFA August 1999, claimed off waivers from VAN Oct. 1999

Jiri Slegr - acqured for Yuri Butsayev and a 3rd round draft pick

Jason Williams - signed as an undrafted UFA in Sept 2000....

that is the playoff roster, so show me exactly where Illtich BOUGHT the Cup...I see a team built through drafting, trading assests for assests and acquiring UFA's that everyone passed on, with the exception of MAYBE Robitaille and he didn't have to outbid ANY of the other teams for ANY of the UFA's he signed...and remember they had justlost LaPointe to UFA so they needed to replace his production and they did so 4 days after 29 other teams could have thrown big bucks as Luc....

anyone who says Illitch bought that 02 Cup hasn't paid any attention to how the Yankees or Heat operate....If somehow the Wild pull off a Cup win this year (or when they come back) you can accuse them of buying a Cup...

#2336364 Every player a UFA?

Posted by LeftWinger on 19 December 2012 - 01:37 PM

I wouldn't mind this, but I am not so sure that everyone will be fighting to come to Detroit and play....we lost out on the big free agents over the summer once already and we HAD the cash for them...I don't think that would change if all players became UFA. You'd have to land the biggest and best first to attract the rest, because you'd have players teaming up who want to play with each other, like the Olsen twins did. Landing the best would mean Illitch would have to whip out the wallet and get Ovie, Malkin, or......Crosby :bad: Excuse me while I wash my mouth out with soap....if Holland couldn't land any top 10 talent, then this team goes Waaay downhill for a UFA destination....

IF all 700+ players became UFA's I would hope that the new CBA would have a stipulation that the team they belong(ed) to has first crack at re-siging the players. I guess that would be a true UFA, but at least it would save some of the smaller franchises from folding....and it would keep Detroit on the map...

#2335912 Why no youth injecton

Posted by LeftWinger on 12 December 2012 - 10:26 AM

Again, everyone loves hindsight. You're forgetting that every single team passed on Neal, Vlasic, and Stastny at least once.

Yes, I know, its like that in any draft year...

Eaves has no ETA on his return yet, which means it's probably awhile away. Emmerton is 100% expendable.

Brunner will start in the NHL. This has been clear since he signed.

The way I see it, BOTH Emmy and Mursak are the expendable ones...If Eaves return is doubtful, one of those two have a bit more time here than they should. I believe in the end Miller and Eaves will be here over those two...

#2335416 Has your opinion of kenny changed?

Posted by LeftWinger on 06 December 2012 - 03:05 PM

My opinion of Kenny has indeed change...usually he comes up with excuse after excuse and his over usage of the term "kicked the tires" and "we need to get bigger" followed up by not getting anyone and drafting small euro's was enough for me to punch the monitor more than once every trade deadline/draft day/UFA season....


This season, starting on draft day:

Martin Frk - 6'0 193lbs

Andreas Anthanasiou - 6'0 179lbs

Mike McKee - 6'4 232lbs

James DeHaas - 6'2 193lbs

Rasmus Bodin - 6'6 207lbs

...and these are all kids! They will grow AND gain weight!


Was deep in the hunt for and offered the same if not very similar contracts to Justin Shultz, Ryan Suter, Zach Parise and while waiting he addressed needs up front like grit, Tootoo, better scoring and defensive play in Sammy, signed the real deal back up in Gustavsson, locked up Helm and Abby for years. He solidified the #6 defense spot with Colaiacovo along with taking a gamble on Quincey and a European phenom in Brunner....he was on the final lists for a lot of players including Suter, Semin & Doan...he offered contracts to all of them. He had a verbal agreement with Suter only to be nixed by Suter's family, a decision Suter will soon regret, if not already. He FINALLY got off the Hudler merry go round and cut ties with him...PLUS he was in deep in trade talks for Bobby Ryan, Keith Yandle and Rick Nash.

I'd say ya, my opionion change, for once in a long time I wanted to punch the UFA's for choosing somewhere else instead of punching Holland for not doing anything...now all he needs to do is admit he made a mistake signing Franzen and letting Hossa walk and all will be right in the world! (of course with the exception of this lockout debacle...)

Holland made me proud to be a Wings fan this summer (as if I wasnt already) and with the prospects coming up, along with that draft class, things look great! I hope he gets Dan DeKeyser under contract to spring and I still wish he had gotten Jeremy Welsh (oh well.) But my opinion is MUCH MUCH better than it has been the last few seasons!

No...thats a terrible arguement and completely erroneous. What one player did in one series for ANOTHER team is irrelevant to what a player on THIS team in this series. We assume he was benched..... but he could have had an injury or a hundred other things. Do you really believe if Helm or Eaves were healthy, Emmerton sees icetime? LOL

Arguing with someone like you is pointless because AGAIN ( pushing the echo button) We, the fans have no idea why tootoo wasnt on the ice and its like comparing appes and banana.

Tootoo is a BETTER player than Emmerton, every single day
Nuff said

Not only is Tootoo a better player than Emmy....he is the best thing we have had to an enforcer since Aaron Downey.

Sammy is bette than Hudler.....Brunner will be great....Tootoo is better than Emmy...unfortunately two guys have to go and those two will come from these four: Emmerton, Mursak, Miller, Eaves. I see Emmerton and Mursak bringing more in return in the form of draft picks than Miller/Eaves and with the plethora of young BETTER talent in the wings, Mursak and Emmerton are VERY expendable... Yes, for a season, the Wings get a tad older, but they get much better...Way to go Holland!

#2335386 Illitch announces plan to build new arena

Posted by LeftWinger on 06 December 2012 - 11:11 AM

I can't help but wonder is for some reason Mr I doesn't make it to see the Grand Opening that it would very appropriate to name it after him..... The Illitch Centre of Entertainment Arena sounds nice....

or affectionately the The I.C.E Arena...

#2335261 Illitch announces plan to build new arena

Posted by LeftWinger on 05 December 2012 - 08:57 AM

If Ilitch builds a new state of the art arena with the "old school" charm of what the Olympia had I bet many here won't feel so bad about leaving the Joe.

ya, just like the Old School charm of Tiger Stadium he built into Comerica....It will be nothing but a cookie cutter arena based on the new Pittsburgh and Columbus arena's...and it will be named something by the highest bidder regardless of where the HQ is for that bidder...ie Comerica Park HQ'd in Texas.

I would love to see an Olympia style arena and I am sticking by my name of Cadillac Centre. (Not only for GM ties but mostly for Antoine Laumet de La Mothe, sieur de Cadillac...founder of Detroit.)

One of you guys LONG ago made up a "Olympia" type rendition of a new arena, you shold repost it in this thread.

#2335112 Holmstrom appreciation thread

Posted by LeftWinger on 02 December 2012 - 10:42 PM

Over 1000 games in a Wings jersey...played his entire career here in Detroit...huge, HUGE piece to the puzzle in the playoffs each year. How many players have played their entire career in one city for over 1000 games? Not many.....Howe, Yzerman, Lidstrom, Delcvecchio....Draper has but he played for Winnipeg before....So Homer is one of 5 players to play their entire 1000+ game careers in Detroit...3 of those 5 have their number's retired, soon to have Lids join them...I am sure #96 will not go to the rafters, but something has to be said of Holmstrom's RARE stat...you cannot ignore the 1000+ games for one team his entire career.

#2334819 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by LeftWinger on 27 November 2012 - 05:15 PM

Ryan Miller with a detailed explanation of why he's in favour of decertification, from the Globe and Mail.
Maybe Roman Hamrlik should start his own union. But, he shouldn't count on Erik Cole and Troy Brouwer joining.

...and I just lost all respect for Ryan Miller...

Decertify the Union and return to the good old days of owners actually "owning" players....

Everyone out there who thinks the Union is the bad seed here please go watch the movie "Net Worth."

The owners are no different than the CEO's of this world...If Hostess hads't taught you anything then nothing will...liqiudate the company and STILL award CEO's and Top managment MILLIONS of dollars in bonuses...They sure were hurting for money, eh?

#2333051 Red Wings Off Season: I Give Them an A

Posted by LeftWinger on 30 October 2012 - 04:47 PM

are you joking?

Filppula will demand somewhere between 4 and 5 if he stays on track (1-2 mil more)
White is on a bargain contract right now and will probably get the same as Quincey (1 mil more)
Howard is worth well beyond 2 mil. Probably should expect at least 4 for him (2 mil more)
If Brunner turns out to be the real deal he'll probably expect something like Flips got on his first contract (2 mil more)

We'll have to spend around 5-7 mil if those guys perform as expected

and on your roster you have 2.5 to spend

And I have not even gotten to RFA's yet, which will include Smith, Nyquist, and Kindl. All will be lookign for 1-way deals that will effect the cap.

Again, Suter and Parises Minny contracts would have crippled us financially. Thankfully Holland didn't sign them to those ridiculous contracts.

EDIT: Not to mention you'll have Cleary and Miller as UFA and Mursak as RFA as well

Not to mention if Brunner scores 25-30 goals they will need to re-sign him too!

They can sign Dekeyser and either trade Kindl or let him go RFA...

agreed on the other points, they really cannot let White go after losing Rafalski, Lidstrom and Stuart...not unless the somehow acquire a stud via the fire sale....

Trade Emmy and Mursak....they have Miller and a soon to be returning Eaves...I'd also let Cleary go or trade him at the deadline (his NTC expired last deadline.) There are too many folks waiting to come up and they are running out of options to play in Rapids...

(sure wish Holland would have offer a contract to Welsh...Carolina is damn lucky to have him!)

#2332998 Red Wings Off Season: I Give Them an A

Posted by LeftWinger on 29 October 2012 - 06:33 PM

Lost too much depth to be an A off season, its a D+/C- off season.


Lost too much depth? We lost Lidstrom (who is unreplacable) and Stuart... Replaced with Quincey, Smith and Colaiacovo... those three more than replace Staurt...again, you cannot replace Lidstrom, nort even with Suter...

up front we lost Hudler, Holmstrom and will probably lose two of Miller/Eaves/Mursak/Emmerton...replaced with Tootoo, Sammy, Brunner a full time Nyquist and long term Helm and Abby...GRR has nice depth to fill injuries...

We lost the revolving door of a back up to Howard and gained a legit #2 in the Monster.

I give Holland an A for trying to land all the top talent in the UFA market, all in all, I give the off season a B+ considering that with the exception of Lidstrom, everyone that was signed was an upgrade to the folks we lost....

The only thing I would change is I would have shopped around Franzine, but who knows, maybe he did that too!

Lidstrom = Unreplacable

Quincey/Smith better than Stuart

Colaiacovo better than Commie and Kindl still #7

Sammy better than Hudler

Nyquist better than Holmstrom

Tootoo better than any "tough" guy since Downey

Helm and Abby here long term....and happy to be!

Gustavsson better than Conklin/MacDonald combined.

not to even mention the awesome draft Holland had! He went big and skilled and tough, everything we have been bitching at him to do for years!

Get this CBA taken care of, sign Dekeyser after his senior year is up, trade Emmy/Mursak/Kindl for some picks and lets get this thing rolling! If the season goes kaput, then so be it, but this team is still deeper than it was last season...and better with the exception of Lids...

#2332968 Red Wings Off Season: I Give Them an A

Posted by LeftWinger on 29 October 2012 - 11:57 AM

Alot of us agree that they did very well this offseason despite missing out on the TOP free agents...

I really wanted Suter and was neither here nor there with Parise....but oh well...

Holland tired and made it pubically known that he tried for all the "top" targeted guys...Suter, Parise, Shultz...which in years past he either didn't try or didn't make it known that he tried...he would just say "we kicked the tires and liked what we had..." Well I said it before and I will say it again, he kicked the s*** out of those tires this year, I give him an A for trying... The guys he did get address thier needs, the guys they already had will play a huge role this season and for pete's sake we finally have no Hudler on this team!!!!

Besides there is always the post lockout fire sale that may go on too...you never know who Franzen is gonna get us when that starts!

#2332963 Missing Wings This Fall (anyone heard anything on Franzen yet?)

Posted by LeftWinger on 29 October 2012 - 11:48 AM

Franzen is somewhere sitting in his lazy chair...trying to figure out why he cannot stay interested in playing his PS3 for a whole game...

#2332962 Ryan Suter pissed off

Posted by LeftWinger on 29 October 2012 - 11:43 AM

of course he regrets it...lockout or not, he wasn't signing with the Wild until his family convinced him to. He regrets it now and when he is about to retire 13 years from now with ZERO Stanley Cups he will really regret not signing with a real contender (not just Detroit, but a handfull of others that wanted him too...)