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#2308045 Darren Helm signs 4 year extension

Posted by LeftWinger on 19 June 2012 - 12:09 PM

i would imagine you will get a bunch of minuses, but i actually do agree with your premise. i had hoped to see him stay at least under 2 mil. but when i do think about it, i think its a fair price for what he brings. i think he was a steal for what he made last year and this contract just brings him up to snuff. the reason i find it unfortunate though is that to win a cup you really need to have several value contracts. right now i just see helm as a neutral contract. though i am hoping in the last 2 years he becomes a steal again.

I hope I don't get a lot of negs. I was not calling it a bad signing, or that Helm is a bum and not worth it or that Holland should be fired. I was just hoping for less of a cap hit in order to make sure we have the cash to bid high of the players we need to change this team. I am glad Helm is going to be part of that and hope that he signs again in 4 years to a lifetime contract...I just hope that this trend doesn't continue with the overpayment (around the league) because like I said, it's going to ruin the NHL when the Colton Orr's are making $4M soon...

That being said, we still have $24M left to spend of Abby, Parise, Suter, Harding & Schultz & Dekeyser & Welsh...so far I haven't lost out on anyone from my wish list! (yet!)

#2308033 Darren Helm signs 4 year extension

Posted by LeftWinger on 19 June 2012 - 11:27 AM

Honestly, I was hoping for a more of a $1.5M Cap hit, I know he is a solid player and is good at what he does, but I just don't think he earned a raise over twice what he was payed last season...I guess we will see in 4 years if he is outplaying this $2.1M. It's not that he isn't worth it, it's just needed cap space to make this team better... If Holland overpays Quincey, I will have an ulcer... I hope he keeps Abby at a modest pay...I am hoping for $1.1, but after this, I am seeing $1.8M... sorry guys, not being negative, it's just needed cap space, or maybe sign the big UFA's first and then pay your guys a bit of a inflated contract, thats all I am saying...of course after re-signing Bertuzzi at too much money, I should have seen this coming...

NO QUINCEY!!! NO HUDLER!!! Please God! Please Holland! PLEASE!!!!

EDIT: Also, do you now realize what it's going to take to re-sign Filppula? He will get at least $5M...that is the problem here, (and not just Holland) keep overpaying and the NHL will go belly up... I honestly see a point where the guys making $500,000 today will be at $2M within a couple of years...Hey Minny, go ahead a give Parise the world, ruin the NHL (again.)

#2307907 Power Play

Posted by LeftWinger on 18 June 2012 - 08:21 PM

This applies to a guy standing in front of the net as well. It seems like it takes one guy out of the play for us.
Their pk players match up one-on-one, the rest of our guys rip shots from the perimeter, and the shots get blocked before they get anywhere.
We need more movement, more guys cycling down low, to break the opposing teams coverage.

Agreed! With the inevitable retirement of Holmstrom, I think the Wings need to establish more 2 on 1's in front of the net instead of the one guy standing there. Seems most folks have figure that out, especially last season...get it down low, cycle, get that 2 on 1 in front of the net...

#2307906 Parise and Suter - how much are they really worth?

Posted by LeftWinger on 18 June 2012 - 08:18 PM

Parise scored a goal every 56 mins of ice-time this year
Franzen scored a goal every 47 mins of ice-time this year

Yes, but then Franzen only score 1 goal from March to June after that... :ninja:

#2307902 Brad Stuart's rights traded to San Jose

Posted by LeftWinger on 18 June 2012 - 07:51 PM

I like this guy:

Stuart quit on the Wings in December. San Jose will not improve with him on the back end. He is simply not that good and they have lots of problems that he will not fix. Good for him. He got to use the power of the collective bargaining system to get something he wanted. After all, the players did lose a year in a lockout so he just took advantage of the negotiated settlement. The mistake in this whole deal was that Holland was too sympathetic in Stuart's favor. The Wings are a business. They charge people money to watch them play. Holland knew he had a deserter on his team and should have peddled him to an Eastern Conference team well before the trading deadline and gotten something in return. Instead he stood pat and lost him, but came out of it a nice guy. And oh yes, with a 1-4 playoff record for his team.

Hey schwartzme, The Red Wings are a class act and in this act of valor toward Brad it proves to the rest of the players in the NHL that if you become a Red Wing, you are family and Devil Anse Holland takes care of his family! Shipping Brad off to a crap team at the deadline would only show other potential UFA's around the league that if for some reason you need a special favor, Holland just screws you over! But doing what Holland did in accommodating Stuart, he just proved to the NHL players, if a special circumstance arises, whatever you need I will make it happen! Work hard for me and I will work hard for you! That move is one rarely seen by any other team in the league. Brad gave Holland 3 yrs and a couple of months, including a Stanley Cup...Brad will always be a Red Wing and Holland will always be this classy! I expect nothing less from the Detroit Red Wings...

Players just don't come here to play, the come here to join a family and more times than not, end their careers. Why do you think Chelios never left? He tried to have one more go at it in Atlanta, but only played 7 games and hung them up...he quickly returned "home" to the Red Wings...

Holland did two things for Brad, he offered him a contract letting him know that if he wanted to stay, the Wings wanted him, then he traded him back home so he could be with his family...Brad will always be welcomed back if he so chose to, that is a guarantee! Brad has earned his Red Wings and will always be a part of this great Dynasty we have been so privileged to watch for the last 20 years!

#2307884 Brad Stuart's rights traded to San Jose

Posted by LeftWinger on 18 June 2012 - 05:31 PM

Honestly I'd be a little surprised if there was booing other than from a few idiots.

This has been a known thing for a while now, and it's not like he's leaving the Wings because he thinks San Jose gives him a better shot at winning the Cup or would get him more money.

Who knows though. Maybe I'm giving Wings fans too much credit, but it's pretty crappy if they boo him. Stuart was a great late season pickup by the Wings and a big part of their Cup in '08.

I think it will be quite the opposite...I remember Adam Oates early returns to Detroit, he got cheered when he scored a goal or even got an assist.

Brad had said his first choice is to stay in Detroit, but it is because of the family issues (Wife not able to move here) that he must return to California. Fans will cheer him, trust me...

EDIT: Lest us forget that he was one of those guys who signed a contract for LESS money to stay in Detroit for three more years...he could have left in 08', but knows which is the best organization to play for. Even when he said he had to go, they asked him which team and made a trade to allow San Jose to open up a roster spot instead of just letting July 1st come and having him deal with it on his own...Red Wings class act, from top to bottom...Take note Parise/Suter....Take note Schultz/Dekeyser/Welsh....Take note...you will not be sorry...just look at Wisniewski, he is sorry now...

#2307873 If we fail to reload with top UFAs we should?

Posted by LeftWinger on 18 June 2012 - 04:25 PM

I used Capgeek's qualifying offer calculator so I guess they didn't follow the NHL rules correctly, but you're right on the value its 100% of last years salary not 105%.

You're using last years numbers on RFA compensation though and chances are Quincey will fall into the 2nd round pick category this year rather than the 1st and 3rd rd Picks.

Either way the odds of someone signing Quincey to an offersheet are very slim. There have only been 6 players signed to one since the salary cap came out and only 1 where the contract wasn't matched.
Quincey's options are likely to be accepting the Wings qualifying offer or take them to arbitration but its almost a certainty he'll be a Wing next year.

...and honestly, if Quincey were to accept the $3.125, then I guess it would be ok, but I honestly hope he is NOT a Red Wing this season...Maybe Holland would trade his rights and Kindl at the draft for something...I am hoping for Detroit three defensive signings being Suter/Schultz and then DeKeyser as #7...

#2307847 If we fail to reload with top UFAs we should?

Posted by LeftWinger on 18 June 2012 - 01:27 PM

Which is something the Wings haven't had since the early 90's. If we can get a Ryan Murray/Matt Dumba type dman at next years draft, that would be quite nice.

Ya, either way if Holland lets Quincey go RFA, he will probably sign somewhere for around $3.5M so that means in 2013 Holland will have TWO 1st's and TWO 3rd's...Whether or not Quincey signs with a bottom dweller or a contender, it will be nice to have those picks....could be nice trade material as well! It is because of the compensation Holland would receive is why Quincey was a good pick-up. It would not be worth the 1st round pick he gave up to re-sign him, but to get a 1st AND a 3rd back would be great!

#2307747 2012 General Offseason Signing Thread

Posted by LeftWinger on 17 June 2012 - 03:48 PM

Nice to see Adam Hall still making it in the NHL and at $650,000 it's a good deal.

#2307746 If we fail to reload with top UFAs we should?

Posted by LeftWinger on 17 June 2012 - 03:45 PM

No matter the back up plan, he cannot include Hudler or Quincey. Hudler will garner way too much money and Quincey is worth more letting someone else sign him and getting the draft picks than what he brings to the Wings. I'd rather give Nyquist, Hudler's ice-time and re-tool the D entirely before overpaying Quincey, who at $3.125 he made last year was over-payment on this team. On the market, Hudler may be worth $5M and Quincey $4M, but not here. Let them go...We already are over-paying Ericsson for hopes he grows into his contract...

I'd rather go for Schultz (also would like to see where it is said he will only play for a Canadian team) and another proven player like Wideman or Carle than overpay Quincey...

Kronwall - White
Ericsson - Wideman(Carle)
Smith - Schultz
Kindl(or another #7 if you trade Kindl)

Obviously I'd rather see Suter there, but I do not want to see Quincey there no matter what. You couldn't trade him to a team for a 1st/3rd so why not let him sign somewhere and get them by default? Could be a very high 1st next year!

#2307649 Red Wings Prepared to Offer Hudler Contract

Posted by LeftWinger on 16 June 2012 - 04:31 PM

Honestly, I'd take Parise/Semin/Moen/Suter/Schultz/Harding as our new players...That's alot of signing and changes, especially for one off season, but Holland needs to make this big splash and prove to the NHL that Detroit is here to stay and will NOT rebuild, just reload! Get these guys signed up for years and then let the likes of Sheahan, Jarnkrok, Pulkkinen etc... slowly make their way into the lineup.

( I still cannot explain how imperative it is to get these kids under contract: Dekeyser, Schultz, Welsh, in a few years when Sheahan in up along with Smith leading the way, this Red Wings team will be young, fast and HARD to play against...Howard will be in his prime and our D will be young and tough along with the O.)

#2307647 Red Wings make contract offer to D Justin Schultz

Posted by LeftWinger on 16 June 2012 - 04:23 PM


Which is why Holland should sign him and let Quincey walk for the draft picks... I am telling you (not you personally) that a tandem of Smith and Schultz is going to be the Red Wings version of Suter/Weber...and guess what, they are gonna get Suter too! (then in a perfect world, Weber comes along next year!)

Seriously though, Smith/Schultz will be a great tandem...Holland needs to get this kid signed...along with DeKeyser... Very VERY important to get these kids signed...

#2307573 Red Wings Prepared to Offer Hudler Contract

Posted by LeftWinger on 15 June 2012 - 05:08 PM

Semin isn't known for his work ethics. He's known to take weeks off. That won't fly well with Babcock. I don't think Semin and Babcock would get along too well... especially if Semin becomes a disgruntled locker room cancer.

Yes, I do remember well when Fedorov went to Anaheim and Babcock called Bowman asking WTF is up with Fedorov, and how does he get him motivated....I could see that happening with Semin too...

#2307562 Why isn't the Wild in hot water for their owner's comments?

Posted by LeftWinger on 15 June 2012 - 04:13 PM

Does anyone ever read?

I clearly stated that it was second hand. It shouldn't matter, if the person is saying he told me this... then as long as that person is a credible source it is no different than issuing a press release. If I tell a newspaper reporter I intend to sign someone, he writes his story saying the source told him he was going to sign this person. That is the basis of journalism. IF a journalist lies about a source, they lose credibility so it is a bad idea to lie. Based on tampering, saying that to a journalist would be illegal. I am saying how is this any different?

If the owner tells a former general manager and a friend and he goes and blabs, he is getting the story out the same as if through a journalist. The only difference is he could lie and therefore the Owner has more deniability... The problem is either way the concept is out there, hence my hypothetical. If the line is one extra lie??? That doesn't make it something besides cheating, it just makes it cheating AND lying.

He is a former general manager, I take him at face value and I think the owner should have to prove he didn't say this and prove him a liar. Otherwise it is tampering. IF they aren't going after him, not only should we all be upset. But why don't we start just lying about this stuff with credible sources. Hasek should say that he had dinner with Holland and he said we were really interested in Suter, Parise, Wideman, and Doan and that if he could get those guys he knows we would win a championship. He could also say that if he could get all of them to take a bit less than we could also swing Moen. Just a hypothetical mind you, but that would send a signal to all of those players that maybe I should not resign yet, or use it as leverage to get more money. Hell, I would start saying we were going after RFA players and will pay them 8 million or something, and get them to go overboard. Why not have Hasek say that we will offer Oshie 7 million a season so he ups the bill on the Blues?

I just feel like he needs to explain this, especially when the Lions lost a pick for a nobody based upon comments that I have never heard the source of...

That would only happen if Holland's buddy said something like that...don't you know by now, the rules are only enforced strictly when it comes to Detroit...when it involves other teams, they just rescind penalties, allow the 6th man to get back off the ice after a minute or so...you know, when it doesn't make Detroit the better team, the Bettman Rules are invoked. If Detroit will benefit, then its strictly by the book...

#2307550 Red Wings Prepared to Offer Hudler Contract

Posted by LeftWinger on 15 June 2012 - 03:06 PM

I think Semin is looking to get 6+ million and maybe more. And why couldn't he? Leino got $6million during FA. Semin should get close to $7million by those standards. Leino signed a long contract to circumvent the cap. I really, really hope Holland doesn't do that unless it's for a proven star like Suter.

So the question is do you take Hudler for $4 or Semin for $7?

I'd rather have Semin at $7M than Franzen at $4M and Hudler at $4M...I am just tired of the same old garbage every year...Franzen is oft injured or playing at 60% and Hudler is not worth $4M-$5M on this team. I'd do not want Hudler in a house or with a mouse, I do not want him with a goat or on a boat, I do not want him Sam I Am...