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#2301012 Babcock and Holland want to keep Homer.

Posted by LeftWinger on 13 May 2012 - 02:21 PM

Package? What is this, Hossa/Kopecky? Just say no to Holmstrom, its time to go. Sign Homer at the expense of who? Typicalf****** Holland. Guess we can forget Parise and look forward to Samuelsson.....that better not be the plan!

#2300943 Would you?

Posted by LeftWinger on 13 May 2012 - 04:49 AM

throw an offer sheet at the Sens Karlsson?
this kid is the real deal and could be Nic's heir apparent,how many 1st rounders would it cost us?
all this talk of Suter and Parise, Kennys or the Wings policy is not to do this
but we may have to do something like this to get a top D into the org.
Maybe the 2 Minny boys wanna play for there home state now and not entertain the
other offers they'll get. Which will leave us waiting another year and try for Weber or act outta the ball park.

question, would you have Sam Gagner over Hudler?
Gagner is a R/H shot and has posted 40+ pts the past 5 years.
his ppg is higher than Huds and he is 5 years younger. The
current contracts are similar, both may seek a rise?

getting help for Pav if Parise doesn't come. Get him some help from home,Nikolai Kulemin a good 2 way guy with some size and how about a cheeky offer for Alexander Radulov? The guy is a great player, but could he curb his antics off the ice? Maybe Pav could curtail this in him. failing that one of the unhearlded players at the WC is Swiss league top scorer Damien Brunner who is leading the Swiss in scoring at the WC and is also a R/H shot. the sp on him is; A slick offensive forward who can shoot as well as pass the puck. Has great wheels and hands. Plays a gritty game.

anyway Babs is over there watching GROUP HELSINKI so im sure he's scouting as well as watching the canadiens.

I am not sure where the misunderstanding came from, but Ryan Suter is from Madison, Wisconsin. He played two years in Ann Arbor, MI. for the US National Development Under 18 team and one yr for the Badgers before reporting to Nashville. He has never played youth hockey in Minnesota. And considering his time in Ann Arbor, and the lack of NHL in Wisconsin, signing in Detroit would be more of a homecoming than Minnesota.

Edit: Wow, negged? So, ok, Minnesota will be a homecoming then, even though he has never played there or lived there...I plan on having a homecoming in Hawaii next week. Jack ass...

#2300877 Franzen has a broken nose ?

Posted by LeftWinger on 12 May 2012 - 03:27 PM

Franzen's work ethic was never questioned while playing for Sweden. That is always the knock on European players, they play harder when it comes to International Play than in the NHL. It's always been said that the Europeans value International Championships higher than the Stanley Cup. When young Europeans are playing hockey, they dream of winning an Olympic gold, when young North American's are playing they dream of hoisting the Stanley Cup...that just the way it has always been. So of course Franzen is going to play harder and with more heart for Sweden...it's just how it goes...

#2300617 Report: Jagr to test free agent market

Posted by LeftWinger on 11 May 2012 - 04:51 AM

For the right price I'd ta.........nah, no thanks! We have plenty of roster players, need Parise and Suter. I'd rather have Nyquist up permanently than Jagr....

#2300578 Suter most likely out of Nashville

Posted by LeftWinger on 10 May 2012 - 06:50 PM

That worked out good for Wiznoooooooooooski !!

Yes, my point exactly. But just like Wiz, players do go to bottom feeders for a bigger payday than if they wanted to actually win. Marian Hossa passed up a lifetime deal worth nearly $10M per season from Edmonton to sign in Detroit for that one season to try to win. He was willing to stay for even less, but Holland chose Franzen and Hudler over him...just goes to show, there are some players that actually take less money to win...

#2300260 Happy Birthday Steve Yzerman!

Posted by LeftWinger on 09 May 2012 - 06:04 AM

Happy Birthday Steve! Thanks for all the great moments and memories!

Happy Birthday baby! Thanks for all the great moments and memories! :lol: 18 years together! Love ya!

#2300124 What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

Posted by LeftWinger on 08 May 2012 - 03:22 PM

Well, now since I have had time to calm a bit down from my disappointment for the Wings this season, and since the Cap may go up to $70M, I have re-tooled my 2012-13 roster a bit. I have left Franzen alone and re-signed Lids too. But it is imparative that Suter and Parise get signed!

Zach Parise ($7.500m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m)
Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($1.250m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.000m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)
Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) /
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ryan Suter ($7.500m)
Ian White ($2.875m) / Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) /
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Tomas Vokoun ($1.250m)

SALARY CAP: $70,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,142,045; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,357,955

If Eaves isn't gonna be healthy, then get Moen for $1.5M. The only thing I didn't do was re-sign Quincey. I didn't want to make Smith #7 and there is NO WAY Ericsson or Quincey will be #7, not for the cash they will be making. Offer Quincey $3M, if he wants more, I will be glad to acquire the #1 and #3 draft pick for him.

edit: negged? Guess you don't want Suter, Parise AND Lidstrom? Ok then....sure would like to hear your ideas...

#2300034 Suter most likely out of Nashville

Posted by LeftWinger on 08 May 2012 - 09:35 AM

Just looked on capgeek, didn't know Rinne is signed already....$7M?!?! Yikes! Through 2019? They sure threw a lot of eggs in that basket! They may lose BOTH Suter and Weber....

#2299994 The new guys thoughts.....

Posted by LeftWinger on 08 May 2012 - 06:55 AM

Nash would be great, but I am not sure they want to invest all that cash in Parise/Nash and Suter. If somehow Holland acquires Nash, then you can forget one of Suter or Parise. Then again, nobody really knows what is going on in Holland's head. He could be looking at completely different UFA's...

#2299837 What Lidstrom NEEDS to Do...

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 May 2012 - 02:52 PM

Of course, if the cap does rise to $70Mish, then we are talking a whole different monster. Holland could throw $15M ($7.5M each) at Parise and Suter, $1.25 at Vokoun, $1.25M at Helm, $1M at Abby, let Quincey go (collect draft picks) let Hudler walk and ALSO give Lidstrom his $6.2M and that would be a great team. I'd even let Franzen stick around...:lol:

Zach Parise ($7.500m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m)
Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($1.250m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.000m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)
Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) /
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ryan Suter ($7.500m)
Ian White ($2.875m) / Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) /
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Tomas Vokoun ($1.250m)

SALARY CAP: $70,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,142,045; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,357,955

Leaving $2.35 available for injury call-ups and extra cash for depth at deadline...as much I as dislike Cleary and Franzen and believe they need to be traded. I can really get behind a roster like this...of course that is IF the Cap goes up to $70M.

#2299831 What Lidstrom NEEDS to Do...

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 May 2012 - 02:33 PM

I agree with all of you, and I just used Parise and Suter for the sake of the thread subject as that is who most folks would like to see here. I know they aren't the only options, but they are two of the best options.

Also, I am not saying Nick MUST take $3M, I already said, Holland won't "offer" him anything, Nick will say I want this and he will get it. The point of my topic was I hope that Nick would tell Holland, "get the guys here that are going to take this team over when I leave and help to keep them at the level that is expected of the Detroit Red Wings...pay what it takes to get those players here and then we'll talk about my pay." Nick knows what they need, he knows just reusing the players from last season isn't going to get them even a sniff of the Cup, let alone win it. He knows they need a high scoring sniper and a legit #1 defenseman. He knows they have to re-sign their future in Helm and Abby. He knows Nyquist and Smith are going to be staples on this team from here on out. If we all know it, then he is well aware of it.

I mentioned a REAL goalie to push Jimmy. I mean that he needs to know that if he falters that someone is there who could possibly take his job. Not that his job is in jeopardy, but it will keep him on his game 100% of the time. Also, like mentioned above, it gives the team and the fans no worries about the duo itself if something would happen to Jimmy or when he needs nights off. I mention Vokoun. He wanted to be in Detroit last off season, but opted for Washington for a starting spot. Well, he kinda lost that there. He wouldn't have a starting spot here, but maybe his stance would have changed about being adamant about a starting spot. If not, then fine, but I would think he'd like to go somewhere to hav a great shot at winning a Cup. Especially if Holland spends his cash correctly and the UFA's take notice that Detroit is serious about getting back to the final's and winning...Getting the likes of Suter and Parise here would be a huge signal to the rest of the NHL and available UFA's...besides he only made $1.5M last season, he wouldn't get more than that, if not a bit less..

I agree that the Wings don't need BOTH those guys or we're screwed, but they do need those type of changes, or yes, they will be screwed. Cannot give Lidstrom $6.2M and THEN try to sign those type of players. Holland could sign Lids and acquire Ignila to try to "Go For It" one more time, but then Suter is signed somewhere else, Parise is gone...It's just my opinion that Holland needs to stop this "put a band aid on it" by signing old vets to go for it one more time, because he needs to secure the future of this team. If he opts for only Parise and then gives Lids his money, he damn well better be planning to ****** Weber up next off season when he is a UFA, because I believe that one of Suter or Weber should be a Red Wing in order for this team to remain the Elite club that it is expected to be. You guys may disagree with that, but that is fine. Detroit cannot afford to let the likes of any of those three to go to St. Louis or Pit or Chicago or all to Nashville...

I just hope Lidstrom takes the road I talked about, secure the future then give an old vet one more shot!

#2299052 What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

Posted by LeftWinger on 03 May 2012 - 09:21 PM

Only a completely spoiled fan could call last season complete garbage. It's interesting how the very consistent success of the guy (Holland) whom you so revile is what makes you expect so much out of him. Try showing some appreciation.

didn't say "complete" garbage...but for the most part, outside of the streak, it was hot garbage. Power play was horrendous, penalty kill horrifying, they played very bad on the road all season, defense was very suspect all season, the players who were supposed to help carry this team, disappeared (one to be expected) and for being the "best" team at home, they couldn't win at home when it counted....Hot Garbage. I do appreciate things, but I cannot accept this crap for a team I am so passionate about.

#2299046 What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

Posted by LeftWinger on 03 May 2012 - 09:08 PM

Real talk. Agreed. It's hard to be realistic without seeming pessimistic in this situation because all anybody is saying is Parise and Suter sign then get a couple more guys, Nyquist comes up and tears it up and bam.. Wings are a dynasty again... Yeah... Ok.

No, not a Dynasty, but FAR better than last season's hot garbage...

#2298418 Johan Franzen wants to 'have more fun'

Posted by LeftWinger on 01 May 2012 - 06:04 AM

T-31st, T-34th, Injured but pace would have put him around 25th-35th, T-16th, T-42nd.

That's where Franzen has been in goal scoring the past five years. That is top line goal scoring. Perhaps you are equating the term to "elite-in-the-league-sniper". It's not the same thing. He is definitely the former, and definitely not the latter.

Call it whatever you want, but when you make a list of "snipers" in the league, Franzen will not be on it. Is he the closest thing the Wings have? Maybe, but he in no way is a "sniper" elite or not. A "sniper" can score from anywhere from anyone...Take him off Datsyuk's line and he barely nets 10 and that is not a "sniper." Of course that is my opinion just by watching him without Datsyuk at the end of the season...He has no heart, it's no wonder he gets bored. He sure has financial security though...

#2298391 What's REALLY going to happen this off-season?

Posted by LeftWinger on 30 April 2012 - 10:04 PM

Lidstrom needs to let Holland pursue Suter and Parise with his wallet wide open, then re-sign Helm, Abby. Then and only then, should Holland sit down with Lidstrom. For the first time in a long time, Holland's #1 priority is not to re-sign Lidstrom, but to secure the next 10 years of this franchise. If Lids wants to be part of the transition, he needs to step back, let Holland spend his Cap, then come in for one more season and a HUGE reduced rate. Honestly, with Suter being signed, Kronwall playing a larger roll and Ericsson looking to get even more ice and White still here, Lidstrom may actually be a #4 or #5 defender is he re-signs...
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