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#2306662 Off -Season Game Plan:Detroit Red Wings

Posted by LeftWinger on 11 June 2012 - 04:34 PM

more parise buzz..


Well, problem with that is, Detroit has MORE money to sign him and even sign others to make his chances even better at winning, consistently! Of the 16 players the Wild have under conntract, 6 are on EL's. Rookies... Half of their D are rookies this season. You have Koivu singed for the next 7 years at $6.75, Backstrom is already at $6M and he is a UFA after this season, they will have to re-sign him and with the stupid Preds giving Rinne $7M, his salary will go up. You got Heatly at $7.5M for the next two years PM Bouchard is due up for a nice raise next year too or he will leave as UFA. Not to mention Lattendresse & Ortmeyer are FA's come July and are a big part of the chemistry up there. Now they are going to throw the MOST at Parise (which I figure is at least = to Crosby's $9M) and he is not going to sign a 1 year, he wants to end his career on his next contract, so he will be looking for 8-10 years. You also have CLutterbuck a RFA next season looking to get a raise as well. And then trying to make your D better than 3 rookies?! Does she think they are going to get SUter too? There goes $8M more. They have $21M to spend, but if they spend $17M-$18M (or more) on Parise and Suter who is gonna play for their team? Rookies?

My point is, Detroit already has their core signed, for a while. In essence all they have to do is spend the same $17M-$18M (if it takes that much) on Parise and Suter for the next 10 years and that is all they will need to do to stay "favorites" for the next 7-10 years. They still have $8M to spend this year to sew up Helm and Abby or at least 5 years and if they wanted to extend Filppula and Howard for the next 5-10, it isn't going to cost them $7M each I can tell you.

Minny may want to offer him more than any other team, but after in two years, they will be in a world of hurt, espcially if the Cap drops...Detroit can offer just as much, but in the same two years, they still have most of their best players STILL under contract...He either takes the Minny offer and is on a team full of rookies in a couple of years, or he signs with Detroit and has our lineup ALREADY signed for most if not all of his contract...Sure he may just want to money nad not care about winning...but given the fact that I still believe there is a cap to what the highest paid player gets on your team, Detroit can even match that if Minny wants to be pricks...I doubt Holland would, but he sure would love to screw Minny by driving the price up!

Most experts have said and agree, Detroit seems to be the best fit for BOTH Suter and Parise...this local lady is just talking crap...

#2306628 Trade

Posted by LeftWinger on 11 June 2012 - 01:07 PM

No....you need the average team behind a few stars...just like someone mentioned the 4 or 5 Kings that are Stars...They will (Should) have next year Datsyuk, Parise, Zetterberg, Filppula and Franzen as 60+ point getters a few should get near 100...if they didn't have the average bottom 6 they have now and if they add another big body, they should be favorites again...

#2306538 Red Wings Prepared to Offer Hudler Contract

Posted by LeftWinger on 11 June 2012 - 08:52 AM

He may be worth $4M+ on 29 other teams, but he is not worth $3M+ here. Holland needs to address the #1 scorer and #1 defenseman issue all while keeping in mind that the Cap could very well decrease with the new CBA, so why on Earth would he offer Hudler any contract that would/could hinder him from keeping the guys he signs if indeed the Cap does go down? I would certainly hope that Holland would NOT offer Hudler ANYTHING over $3M, if anything at all...I mean come on, re-sign Holmstrom, re-sign Hudler...want to sign Parise and a 4th line big man, where the hell are all these players going to fit? You are going to push out Emmerton/Mursak and one of Miller/Eaves/Nyquist...let Homer retire, let Hudler walk. Sign Parise (if you can) and sign Moen (if you can) or someone like him. Say goodbye to one of Emmerton/Mursak and lets rock!

#2306534 2012 General Offseason Signing Thread

Posted by LeftWinger on 11 June 2012 - 08:43 AM

I don't know if it has been discussed, but apparently Pit is offering Crosby a 10 year $90M extension...Makes you wonder which one of Malkin or Staal will become available and when... I would take either of them if they became UFA's...

#2306509 Red Wings Prepared to Offer Hudler Contract

Posted by LeftWinger on 11 June 2012 - 06:53 AM

23 even strength goals. 13 goals when trailing and 3 when tied.

Huds gets a very bad rap.

because he screwed us over years ago! Holland offered him $3.5M that year and he said I am going to arbitration...well once in arbitration he bolted for KHL...AFTER handcuffing Holland for most the summer, when that $2.9M (his rewarded contract) could have been used on someone who could have helped this team...f#ck Hudler, let him go, don't offer him a THING!

#2306280 My Trade Proposal

Posted by LeftWinger on 09 June 2012 - 10:33 PM

You can disagree all you want, but that doesn't change the fact it is true. Franzen gets hot for 15-25 games every year and score 50% or more of his goals in that time frame. the rest of the year he just floats around the ice like he doesn't even care. yes when hot he is one of the best around. But on the other hand, this a guy who after 8 + seasons has never had a single 60 point season. What was he lat=st year? 96th overall in scoring IIRC. I understand that scoring comes and goes. Most scorers are streaky. But that does not excuse the lake of hustle, skating hard, checking, and playing D the rest of the time. When hot Franzen does all of thsoe things. When he isn't he does none of them.

Listen, it's no secret I do not like Franzen...you point out he has never topped 60 points. Considering his cap hit of $3.9M, 60 points is on point for that salary. BUT, Franzen, for some reason, is always consider our BEST scorer, our sniper, our go to guy. He is not. He is a 2nd or 3rd line center benefiting by playing with IMO the best player in the NHL in Datsyuk. If I can accept Franzen for what he is, then you can too.

The problem is, he is expected to be all I described because we don't have any of those...We don't have a BEST scorer on the team, or a sniper or the go to guy. Datsyuk is the go to guy, but mostly for making plays, he needs the #1 Sniper/Scorer/Go To Guy to score the goals... If playing with Datsyuk, Franzen still cannot top 60 points, there is no way he should be even considered as a #1 scorer here and at $3.9M, he shouldn't be by any of us...

Is he lazy? Yes...is the contract too long? Yes...Would I still shop him around? Absolutely! But if Holland gets his #1 man to play with Datsyuk and pop in 40-50 goals, Franzen can go back to being secondary scoring and when he nets his 50-60 points, nobody will complain anymore...ok, well, some will, probably me, but at least he won't be expected to be our "Sniper" anymore and by only putting in 55 points on the 2nd or 3rd line, maybe he won't seem so lazy anymore...who knows, with the pressure off a bit, maybe he'll top 30 goals and start having fun again...

Franzen at 60 points @ $3.9M is good

Franzen at 60 points @ $7.5M :puke:

Take him for what he is...he is not a sniper, he is not getting paid like a sniper, this team NEEDS a real sniper, and it seems like they willing to throw out $8M or more to get one! Fingers crossed...get er done Kenny! Get er Done!

#2306276 Please Mr. I...

Posted by LeftWinger on 09 June 2012 - 10:01 PM

I don't think it would be Little Caesar anything...the whole idea of selling the name is to make money, not spend your own money on the name. Iltich would make no money by buying the naming rights from himself...

I like these:

Delta Centre

Meijer Gardens

Cadillac Centre

PNC Place

#2306274 2012 SCF : Los Angeles Kings vs. New Jersey Devils

Posted by LeftWinger on 09 June 2012 - 09:57 PM

Are we witnessing a Kings Choke? 0-2 in clinching games so far...Sure they still have another advantage to New Jersey, but if they don't take it in LA....Oh Boy...

#2306129 who will win the cup?

Posted by LeftWinger on 08 June 2012 - 10:54 PM

I picked Calgary, but I feel Carolina has the tools to do some damage, they've consistently been able to beat Ottawa, and that's not something many teams can say.

Bingo! You should have thrown some money down in Vegas!

The only one to mention Carolina!

+1,000,000 for you!

(ok sorry guys, last bump of the night....)

#2306127 Please Mr. I...

Posted by LeftWinger on 08 June 2012 - 10:37 PM

I would say....not much. I can list a few I DO NOT want to follow...

Karen Newman
Budd Lynch
Sh!tty Seats (not enough room)

I do like the horn too! But they also need to stop all the personal goal scoring music AND the music that "means something" like the Billy Joel 1..2..3..4, I cannot stand it personally. Just blast the f'ing horn and play a song like maybe go back to EMF's Unbelievable or Gary Glitter's Rock N' Roll Part 2. I have always wished for Welcome to the Jungle when the starting lineups skate out on the ice too. Or someting by Ministry, like NWO or Just On Fix or Jesus Built My HotRod...That would get the NEW place rockin!

#2306102 We Need to Get Tougher to Play Against

Posted by LeftWinger on 08 June 2012 - 08:23 PM


If teams employ enforcers simply to get the fans in the seats, how come teams like Chicago, Ottawa, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, NYR, and Montreal dressed enforcers this past year? None of these teams have problems with attendance, and would have drew just as well without enforcers. Therefore your theory dies.

Also, I love how you completely ignored every other play I mentioned on LA besides Clifford. What about King, Nolan, Fraser, Greene, and Mitchell? They're not worth mentioning, right?

I would love Mitchell on our D, I was asking for him last time he was UFA...although, if the Kings wrap it up, I have a feeling they will be keeping (if they can) as many players as they can to try to get back again in 2013...

Spend Mr.I's cash on 2 top and 2 role players that "fit" our system is more realistic than go hard core,leave the system we've been playing for 20 years and change the half of a roster just to be like the recent cup winning teams in one off-season.

Yes...I would even say 1 scorer and role player and 2 D...solid backup. No need for a purchased Stanley Cup, then lose everyone in the off season (ahem...cough cough Chicago, cough cough) but 3-4 additions/changes that make it tougher to play against us and that scorer to play with Datsyuk...whether is be Parise or not, but someone who can put in upwards of 45 goals...

#2306100 My Trade Proposal

Posted by LeftWinger on 08 June 2012 - 08:16 PM

Some combination of Franzen/Filppula/Nyquist/Smith/1st rounder for Perry.

:blink: Wow! Overpayment for sure.... +1 for outbidding 28 other GM's!

I would definitely like Perry here as well. I would trade Franzen, Stuart (rights) and DET 2013 1st rounder for Perry and Schultz (rights.) (of course as long as Quincey signs elsewhere and we get those 2013 picks for him.)

#2306099 Alexander Radulov.

Posted by LeftWinger on 08 June 2012 - 08:11 PM

:lol: Lets see him smack Torts with the stick like he did in Russia, eh? Radulov will be sans head before the night was over!

#2306094 Looking at Holland comments.

Posted by LeftWinger on 08 June 2012 - 07:42 PM

My Custom Lineup
Zach Parise ($8.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($2.000m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Travis Moen ($2.000m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.500m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m) /
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ryan Suter ($8.000m)
Ian White ($2.875m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.250m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) /
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Josh Harding ($1.500m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,208,712; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,091,288

+1 for all the changes, I do like them!


Whew! Helm at $2M? Abby at $1.5M? I am guessing that you are setting them high so that when they do re-sign for less it will be like a bonus?

Abby made less than $800,000 last season do you really think he has earned almost DOUBLE his money? And Helm? He made less than $915,000 has he really earned MORE THAN double his money? It took Holmstrom almost 10 years to top $2M in salary, neither or these guys have brought what Holmstrom has brought to this team. I am not knocking them, and yes Helm is very valuable to this team, but I am not seeing over 2x his salary...

More like: Helm $1.5M Abby $1.1M

Quincey at anything over $3M is too expensive for the Wings. We already have a #5/#6 making over $3M, we do not need another. Holland needs to qualify him at $3.125M and then allow him to seek a raise elsewhere and collect the picks for him. The 1st and 3rd round picks are more valuable to Holland than Quincey is... Let Quincey go, maybe he signs on with a bottom 3rd team and then Holland can trade away our own 1st and 3rd next year for something that is going to push this team back over the top and then have a very high 1st and 3rd to replace the ones he traded...business is business and this makes the most sense, especially when he overpaid a 1st round pick for him to begin with, he not only gets another 1st back next year, but another 3rd to boot! Quincey for picks all day...


Even going with your $8M for Parise and Suter, I think it will look more like this. Plus this roster also works if the Cap doesn't quite stay at $70.3M...


Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Zach Parise ($8.000m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($1.500m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Travis Moen ($1.900m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.100m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)


Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ryan Suter ($8.000m)
Ian White ($2.875m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Justin Schultz ($1.000m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)


Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Josh Harding ($1.000m)

SALARY CAP: $70,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,442,045; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $4,857,955*

*enough for a nice deadline acquisition as well...(if the cap stays at $70.3M)

also, I'd personally like to add Shane Doan, but with the $8M each for the Big Two, it would be kind of pushing the Cap with Doan considering he may cost $5M...

#2306054 My Trade Proposal

Posted by LeftWinger on 08 June 2012 - 03:47 PM

Ryan is already signed through 2015.


Uh...Ya. We are "trading" for him in this thread...