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#2300124 What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

Posted by LeftWinger on 08 May 2012 - 03:22 PM

Well, now since I have had time to calm a bit down from my disappointment for the Wings this season, and since the Cap may go up to $70M, I have re-tooled my 2012-13 roster a bit. I have left Franzen alone and re-signed Lids too. But it is imparative that Suter and Parise get signed!

Zach Parise ($7.500m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m)
Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($1.250m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.000m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)
Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) /
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ryan Suter ($7.500m)
Ian White ($2.875m) / Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) /
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Tomas Vokoun ($1.250m)

SALARY CAP: $70,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,142,045; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,357,955

If Eaves isn't gonna be healthy, then get Moen for $1.5M. The only thing I didn't do was re-sign Quincey. I didn't want to make Smith #7 and there is NO WAY Ericsson or Quincey will be #7, not for the cash they will be making. Offer Quincey $3M, if he wants more, I will be glad to acquire the #1 and #3 draft pick for him.

edit: negged? Guess you don't want Suter, Parise AND Lidstrom? Ok then....sure would like to hear your ideas...

#2300034 Suter most likely out of Nashville

Posted by LeftWinger on 08 May 2012 - 09:35 AM

Just looked on capgeek, didn't know Rinne is signed already....$7M?!?! Yikes! Through 2019? They sure threw a lot of eggs in that basket! They may lose BOTH Suter and Weber....

#2299994 The new guys thoughts.....

Posted by LeftWinger on 08 May 2012 - 06:55 AM

Nash would be great, but I am not sure they want to invest all that cash in Parise/Nash and Suter. If somehow Holland acquires Nash, then you can forget one of Suter or Parise. Then again, nobody really knows what is going on in Holland's head. He could be looking at completely different UFA's...

#2299837 What Lidstrom NEEDS to Do...

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 May 2012 - 02:52 PM

Of course, if the cap does rise to $70Mish, then we are talking a whole different monster. Holland could throw $15M ($7.5M each) at Parise and Suter, $1.25 at Vokoun, $1.25M at Helm, $1M at Abby, let Quincey go (collect draft picks) let Hudler walk and ALSO give Lidstrom his $6.2M and that would be a great team. I'd even let Franzen stick around...:lol:

Zach Parise ($7.500m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m)
Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($1.250m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.000m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)
Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) /
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ryan Suter ($7.500m)
Ian White ($2.875m) / Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) /
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Tomas Vokoun ($1.250m)

SALARY CAP: $70,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,142,045; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,357,955

Leaving $2.35 available for injury call-ups and extra cash for depth at deadline...as much I as dislike Cleary and Franzen and believe they need to be traded. I can really get behind a roster like this...of course that is IF the Cap goes up to $70M.

#2299831 What Lidstrom NEEDS to Do...

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 May 2012 - 02:33 PM

I agree with all of you, and I just used Parise and Suter for the sake of the thread subject as that is who most folks would like to see here. I know they aren't the only options, but they are two of the best options.

Also, I am not saying Nick MUST take $3M, I already said, Holland won't "offer" him anything, Nick will say I want this and he will get it. The point of my topic was I hope that Nick would tell Holland, "get the guys here that are going to take this team over when I leave and help to keep them at the level that is expected of the Detroit Red Wings...pay what it takes to get those players here and then we'll talk about my pay." Nick knows what they need, he knows just reusing the players from last season isn't going to get them even a sniff of the Cup, let alone win it. He knows they need a high scoring sniper and a legit #1 defenseman. He knows they have to re-sign their future in Helm and Abby. He knows Nyquist and Smith are going to be staples on this team from here on out. If we all know it, then he is well aware of it.

I mentioned a REAL goalie to push Jimmy. I mean that he needs to know that if he falters that someone is there who could possibly take his job. Not that his job is in jeopardy, but it will keep him on his game 100% of the time. Also, like mentioned above, it gives the team and the fans no worries about the duo itself if something would happen to Jimmy or when he needs nights off. I mention Vokoun. He wanted to be in Detroit last off season, but opted for Washington for a starting spot. Well, he kinda lost that there. He wouldn't have a starting spot here, but maybe his stance would have changed about being adamant about a starting spot. If not, then fine, but I would think he'd like to go somewhere to hav a great shot at winning a Cup. Especially if Holland spends his cash correctly and the UFA's take notice that Detroit is serious about getting back to the final's and winning...Getting the likes of Suter and Parise here would be a huge signal to the rest of the NHL and available UFA's...besides he only made $1.5M last season, he wouldn't get more than that, if not a bit less..

I agree that the Wings don't need BOTH those guys or we're screwed, but they do need those type of changes, or yes, they will be screwed. Cannot give Lidstrom $6.2M and THEN try to sign those type of players. Holland could sign Lids and acquire Ignila to try to "Go For It" one more time, but then Suter is signed somewhere else, Parise is gone...It's just my opinion that Holland needs to stop this "put a band aid on it" by signing old vets to go for it one more time, because he needs to secure the future of this team. If he opts for only Parise and then gives Lids his money, he damn well better be planning to ****** Weber up next off season when he is a UFA, because I believe that one of Suter or Weber should be a Red Wing in order for this team to remain the Elite club that it is expected to be. You guys may disagree with that, but that is fine. Detroit cannot afford to let the likes of any of those three to go to St. Louis or Pit or Chicago or all to Nashville...

I just hope Lidstrom takes the road I talked about, secure the future then give an old vet one more shot!

#2299052 What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

Posted by LeftWinger on 03 May 2012 - 09:21 PM

Only a completely spoiled fan could call last season complete garbage. It's interesting how the very consistent success of the guy (Holland) whom you so revile is what makes you expect so much out of him. Try showing some appreciation.

didn't say "complete" garbage...but for the most part, outside of the streak, it was hot garbage. Power play was horrendous, penalty kill horrifying, they played very bad on the road all season, defense was very suspect all season, the players who were supposed to help carry this team, disappeared (one to be expected) and for being the "best" team at home, they couldn't win at home when it counted....Hot Garbage. I do appreciate things, but I cannot accept this crap for a team I am so passionate about.

#2299046 What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

Posted by LeftWinger on 03 May 2012 - 09:08 PM

Real talk. Agreed. It's hard to be realistic without seeming pessimistic in this situation because all anybody is saying is Parise and Suter sign then get a couple more guys, Nyquist comes up and tears it up and bam.. Wings are a dynasty again... Yeah... Ok.

No, not a Dynasty, but FAR better than last season's hot garbage...

#2298418 Johan Franzen wants to 'have more fun'

Posted by LeftWinger on 01 May 2012 - 06:04 AM

T-31st, T-34th, Injured but pace would have put him around 25th-35th, T-16th, T-42nd.

That's where Franzen has been in goal scoring the past five years. That is top line goal scoring. Perhaps you are equating the term to "elite-in-the-league-sniper". It's not the same thing. He is definitely the former, and definitely not the latter.

Call it whatever you want, but when you make a list of "snipers" in the league, Franzen will not be on it. Is he the closest thing the Wings have? Maybe, but he in no way is a "sniper" elite or not. A "sniper" can score from anywhere from anyone...Take him off Datsyuk's line and he barely nets 10 and that is not a "sniper." Of course that is my opinion just by watching him without Datsyuk at the end of the season...He has no heart, it's no wonder he gets bored. He sure has financial security though...

#2298391 What's REALLY going to happen this off-season?

Posted by LeftWinger on 30 April 2012 - 10:04 PM

Lidstrom needs to let Holland pursue Suter and Parise with his wallet wide open, then re-sign Helm, Abby. Then and only then, should Holland sit down with Lidstrom. For the first time in a long time, Holland's #1 priority is not to re-sign Lidstrom, but to secure the next 10 years of this franchise. If Lids wants to be part of the transition, he needs to step back, let Holland spend his Cap, then come in for one more season and a HUGE reduced rate. Honestly, with Suter being signed, Kronwall playing a larger roll and Ericsson looking to get even more ice and White still here, Lidstrom may actually be a #4 or #5 defender is he re-signs...
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#2298388 Johan Franzen wants to 'have more fun'

Posted by LeftWinger on 30 April 2012 - 09:54 PM

29 goals IS a pretty big deal, considering that only 35 players in the entire league managed to score that many. Only 10 players scored more than 35. Parise, whom everyone seems to consider the messiah, scored 31. Virtually identical goals/game. Franzen is a top-line sniper.

You can't say his production is fine, but then criticize him for lacking effort. If more effort doesn't equate to more production then it's a little pointless to ***** about it. If you believe his production should be higher, what are you basing that on? A few anomolous hot streaks/games? Since breaking out, he's consistently produced at a 30-ish goal level. He has his hot and cold streaks like every other scorer. The only basis for thinking he should be anything more is if you only look at a few peaks and base your expectations off that. It doesn't make any sense.

Zetterberg going from 4 straight 30+ goal seasons (including seasons scoring 39 and 43) to now scoring in the low 20s the past few years (hmm... every year since he signed his long-term deal...), and Datsyuk dropping to a ~22 goal pace after 7 straight years in the 27-33 range has a lot more to do with the 'lack of top-6 goal scoring' we seem to all be so worried about, than does Franzen not being a top-10 sniper, regardless of effort level.

Is this sarcasm?

#2298249 What's REALLY going to happen this off-season?

Posted by LeftWinger on 30 April 2012 - 11:37 AM


Now Suter gets 7.0m, and Lidstrom gets 4.5m.

...Just had to replace Abdelkader, Eaves and Kindl with Mursak and Janik (22, not 23, man roster). Emmerton-Helm-Miller is a great 4th line; Mursak is a great 13th F; Janik is a great 7th D.

My Custom Lineup
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Zach Parise ($7.000m)
Alexander Semin ($5.000m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Calle Jarnkrok ($0.900m) / Tomas Tatar ($0.840m)
Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / Darren Helm ($1.400m) / Drew Miller ($0.838m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m) /
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ryan Suter ($7.000m)
Nicklas Lidstrom ($4.500m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Doug Janik ($0.513m) /
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,236,212; BONUSES: $247,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): 63,788

Emmerton, Mursak or Jarnkrok will NOT be replacing Abdelkader anytime soon...sorry, your 3rd line is a pipedream...Plus Abdelkader is far better than Emmerton or Mursak. Other than that, I like your team, but the more Semin gets demoted, the less I like him. Also, too much money for Lidstrom and not enough for Suter or Parise, unless they sign 10 year contracts.

Bottom line is, Lidstrom needs to tell Holland he will take what's left after going HARD after Suter and Parise and offering them the world to finish their career's here...THEN and ONLY THEN should Lidstrom consider re-signing. No way Holland gets EITHER of Parise or Suter if he waits on Lidstrom and then gives him $6.2M ($4.5M is also too much) again...Nick needs to do right by his fans and this team...retire or take the HUGE paycut to insure the teams future as perennial contenders... without Suter and Parise, they won't be.

#2298000 Johan Franzen wants to 'have more fun'

Posted by LeftWinger on 29 April 2012 - 04:09 PM

Fun? Confidence? Like winning an ALL TIME NHL RECORD 23 wins in a row at home isn't fun or motivating, or makes you more confident....Fact is, you, I and the Detroit Red Wings know that they had no business winning all those games, not the way they were playing. They were playing like crap for the most part, fortunate they were winning at home, but they were losing everything on the road, then when they ran out of steam, they lost everything. Not one win at home in the playoffs.

This team needs more than tweaks and line juggling...it needs a major influence up front (Parise) and on the D (Suter.) It needs a #2 goalie who is actually going to challenge Jimmy for the starting spot, not someone who is a career AHL'er. Some if not most of you do not like the "names" I picked, but in reality we all have players who we'd like to see leave and come to this team. A major shakeup would be letting go of Franzen, Cleary, Hudler, Holmstrom, Lidstrom, Emmerton, Mursak to trades and retirement and adding Parise, Semin, Morrow, Nyquist, Sheahan, Suter & Vokoun. You can insert your own names that you think will make this team compete again, but the fact remains, tweaks don't work with this team, it's been tweaked all year long. It's time for change, it's time for excitement to return to Joe Louis Arena and say what you will, but a top two scoring lines of:


is far more exciting and actually better than


Lids may or may not retire, and that is fine, but he needs to sit down with Holland and tell him he will take whatever is leftover after trying to SERIOUSLY make a run at Parise AND Suter if not others as well. Let Holland try to secure our future first, then offer our history his final contract. If Holland throws $6.2M at Lidstrom again, it will screw us for Parise and Suter and we will NEVER have this opportunity again to secure two of the best players in the league today (IN THEIR PRIME) for the rest of their career's...Please Nick, either retire or do the right thing by your fans and this team...

#2297821 Johan Franzen wants to 'have more fun'

Posted by LeftWinger on 28 April 2012 - 10:45 AM

...Honestly, if his scoring didn't improve a single point, but he checked, and skated, and WORKED consistently, the team won, folks would get off his back, but he doesn't they didn't, so now people need a scapegoat. ...


I know you are trying to defend Franzen, but do you honestly believe what you turned his post into?

Because if you do, then let me remind you of something. Wings were pretty much ONE goalpost away from a back to back Stanley Cup win in 2009. I'd say they did pretty damn good that playoff....yet, to this day, hardly NOBODY forgives Hossa for not scoring 50 goals in the playoffs...despite having 6 goals amongst 15 points (only 8 behind Franzen that playoff BTW)

Man I wish Holland had chosen Hossa over Franzen that off season.....oh well. Now noone will take his God awful contract and in 3-4 years when he his only scoring 15-20 points per season, the only way out will be to buy him out...

#2297633 Johan Franzen wants to 'have more fun'

Posted by LeftWinger on 27 April 2012 - 03:48 PM

looks like we have a new whipping boy. As happened with Hudler, I'm expecting a bounce-back season from Mule. Sure he looked un-motivated this year and did nothing in the playoffs but everybody can have a bad year. And before anybody says it, Franzen was playing hurt in last years playoffs. Go back and look at his numbers in playoffs prior to last year.

I'll give the man a pass.

By the way, you guys do realize that he lead the team in scoring goals this year don't you.

But don't let that fact get in the way of the whipping....


...let us not forget about all those GWG's too...

I have had it! He was hurt, he is bored, he needs fun, excitement to change the team, his ass was chapped! I am tired of excuses with this guy...be gone!

Here is next years excuse:

"Well I was really lonely without my teammates and countrymen Lidstrom and Holmstrom out there. I think if we get more Swede's on this team, I will have more fun and be more excited..."

He got an 11-year contract with the greatest franchise in modern hockey after a single great playoff effort and hopefully unlocked potential, and the latter will define his career. Endless string of excuses as to why said potential is not being reached year-after-year, without mentioning the one obvious reason: zero effort and complete financial security. "Franchise" someone based 75% on potential and he'll start to think his potential is enough to win :P

Bingo Bango! Juckf****** Pott, right there!

Leading the team with 29 goals, averaging around 27 or so, playing on a line with an elite among elite centers, providing zero outside of scoring, while his scoring plateaus, and having an awful attitude that surfaces every time he talks to the media. First it was "wait until playoffs", now its "the regular season was good enough, I guess".

But don't let the trend dampen the next 8 years of his contract... :P

EDIT: Had to bolden the most important parts that some people aren't quite getting. Think there is a problem with effort and attitude in the locker room these days? Hmmm... can't think of why.

No, this one's the Juckf****** Pott!

Here's a good way to look at Franzen's production (his only defensible position left) in comparison to a Wings' fan favorite:

Robert Lang had 62 point in 72 games for the Wings. (a better season than any of Franzen's past... ever)
Robert Lang was LAZY and he SUCKED™.

Robert Lang wasn't on the top line, getting all his minutes with a player the caliber of Datsyuk (ahem...)
Robert Lang was LAZY and he SUCKED™.

Robert Lang wasn't granted an 11-year contract. (that's good...)
Robert Lang didn't complain to the media every time he spoke to them about things being boring. (what self-respecting player would?)

...Johan Franzen is LAZY and he SUCKS™

Dude, seriously, I am running out of my allotted Juckf****** Pott's...

#2297300 Where does Bertuzzi fit?

Posted by LeftWinger on 26 April 2012 - 03:13 PM

If we get Parise then Franzen should be playing on the third line. I bet he gets 30 goals getting less ice time but matching up against teams 3rd lines, gives us awesome secondary scoring

Oh yeah, forgot about Franzen, he must have been invisible.

But is Bertuzzi still good enough to play with Dats and Parise? Could he keep up?