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#2317107 Doan staying in PHX 4 yrs $21.2 mill

Posted by LeftWinger on 08 July 2012 - 06:32 PM

Jarnkrok, Pulkkinen, Jurco, Frk, Sheahan, Sproul, Tvrdon, Athanasiou, Bodin, McKee...We Won't Miss Mursak, Tatar or Andersson...

#2317101 An outside the box idea.

Posted by LeftWinger on 08 July 2012 - 06:23 PM

There are lots of options out there. More than we even know. I am not sure Holland will ever move Franzen. He chose to sign him over Hossa and it just seems that if he got rid of him, it would be like admitting a mistake...I wish he'd move Franzen, but....sigh....

Del Zotto would be good and so would McIlrath...I wanted Holland to draft McIlrath but the Rangers swooped him up before he got to Holland...I don't think Holland would've drafted him, but ya, I would love Dylan in a Wings uniform...definitely a youth movement. Same went for Joe Morrow a few years ago, but Pitt took him a couple of picks ahead of Detroit too...

#2317067 Red Wings Sign Jordin Tootoo to 3-yr deal, $1.9M/yr

Posted by LeftWinger on 08 July 2012 - 04:12 PM

All the Tootoo naysayers are going to be pleasantly surprised this season! He just came of a career year and that was in and out of the lineup. I am sure he may be one of the guys rotating with Miller and Eaves, but if he finds chemistry with Helm and Abby (or wherever he ends up) he will surely find himself in the lineup more than out.

I cannot wait for that freight train to level Parise followed up by a Kronwall! Holland should sign Barch for GR and bring him up each game against Minnesota so when our guys target miss prissy too good for Detroit, Barch will be there to whoop the ass of anyone wanting to step up to defend her...

#2317047 Doan staying in PHX 4 yrs $21.2 mill

Posted by LeftWinger on 08 July 2012 - 03:05 PM

Well, his agent has contacted 12 teams including the Wings, so I believe he is trying to drive his value up for negotiations with Phx. His offensive production has been dropping over the last 5 years, and he projects to be a 3rd line winger based upon production, age, and skill set. Do the Wings need another 3rd line winger? The answer is no. And to leftwinger, 3 years at 5.5 million is a joke, that would make him paid in the same ball park of Zetterberg, and hes no Zetterberg.

No he is not a Zetterberg...he is though a whole different Dimension to this team...he would be the power forward we have missed since Shanny left. He would NOT be on the 3rd line. He would get at least 2ns line minutes, if not play on Pav's wing.

The joke is, standing pat and giving Tatar and Andersson playing time....that is the joke. Tatar and Andersson should be moved in a package deal for Ryan or Yandle or Nash... Detroit does not rebuild, they reload. It's been their winning model since the 90's. A steady influx of UFA vets and bringing kids up...Nyquist and Smith are the kids this year, Doan SHOULD be the UFA. He is here for 2-3 years, Holland goes hard after Perry or Getzlaf and Weber next off season, and then implements Plans b,c,d,e,f-Zz.

You will never see this team with all 30 and under players on it...there will always be 2 or 3 players over 35. Holland needs to trade for Ryan, sign Doan, sign Kubina, re-sign Abby and then Q if the awarded contract is feasible.

#2317037 Doan staying in PHX 4 yrs $21.2 mill

Posted by LeftWinger on 08 July 2012 - 02:38 PM

Doan for 3 years please....not just a one year chance at a Cup....he'll want to go where he can win a Cup, but he will need a year just to get into our system 100%. Three years $5.5M please! Still leaves plenty of cap room...we need to get these types of UFA's in here, because they attract others...If Doan comes here, has a great time and gets into playoffs, guarantee he is respected enough among the players that UFA's next July will be calling him asking about his experience and if Detroit is the place to be...I don't think Semin would have the same affect, lets say, on Corey Perry or Ryan Getzlaf or even Shea Weber as Shane Doan would...just my $.02 worth....

#2316879 Semin

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 July 2012 - 09:48 PM

Semin will come to Detroit, and the season will have a happy ending in June.

I can foresee it.

:lol: I see what you did there....Semin.....Happy Ending.... :hysterical:

#2316839 Red Wings Sign Jordin Tootoo to 3-yr deal, $1.9M/yr

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 July 2012 - 07:00 PM

^ I agree too...too ( :lol: ) I don't understand the hate for this guy...27, in his prime, coming off a career year (30 points) he can only help us, as long as Babcock plays him...

#2316830 Wings hire Lidstrom as overseas amateur scout

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 July 2012 - 06:41 PM

We'll have McKee and Bodin in a few years...no worries about big and strong hitters...

Of course LIdstrom is gonna work for the Wings over there, did anyone expect anything else? You know what I want? Someone in Russia finding the next Fedorov/Datsyuk...

side note: without bumping it, I am sure glad the Suter/Parise threads are dropping off the first page....looking forward to the Kronwalling!

#2316828 The Next Move

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 July 2012 - 06:33 PM

I think its pretty obvious now that the main FA left that Holland is targeting is Doan, especially considering all his "we need veteran leadership comments".

While he's a great player, can someone please explain to me why we need him of all people? I just don't get it. Veteran leadership? Most of our core team are seasoned veterans!

Datsyuk - 33
Zetterberg - 31
Franzen - 32
Kronwall - 31
Bertuzzi - 37
Sammy - 36
Clearly - 33

Given this, it seems we have plenty of veteran leadership and I just fail to see what Doan could possibly provide except some toughness and some more goals. We should be trying to get younger, trying to get a sniper to play wing with Pav. Another 35+ player on a team of aging veterans? I just don't get it.....

Hence acquiring Bobby Ryan...adding Shane Doan only helps this team...This guy can and will score 30+ goals playing with Pav or Z...Ryan scoring 40 is not unrealistic. Bobby Ryan is 24...trade for him then in three years tie him up for the rest of his career...Parise who?

to ANA : Val Filppula, Jan Mursak, Tomas Tatar, 2nd round pick

to DET : Bobby Ryan

it's almost explains itself....sign Doan, Kubina, Q if the price is right... Roll On! (Getzlaf, Perry, Weber available next July)

Holland needs to go. Hes not doing his job.

What do you mean? He offered Suter less money so he could play for your team....he did it for you!

#2316602 Semin

Posted by LeftWinger on 06 July 2012 - 09:30 PM

what if we sign malkin next year?

Uh....ya, ok. Pit would never let him go! Unless he wants out... Datsyuk, Semin, Malkin top line? I could deal with that!

#2316596 Semin

Posted by LeftWinger on 06 July 2012 - 09:16 PM

I think Semin is out....Trade for Ryan, sign Doan, sign Kubina, wait on Q's hearing...shake rattle and roll...

I hate to lose Flip, but for Ryan, yes!

edit: Yes I am talking like its a done deal, because I have confidence that Holland will let loose his canon "balls" and do what needs to be done to usher this team into the next 20 years of dominance! Bobby Ryan this year, Getzlaf or Perry (or both) and Weber next year...

#2316591 What happens if the new CBA lowers the Cap?

Posted by LeftWinger on 06 July 2012 - 09:05 PM

Yes, I believe the salaries are adjusted accordingly...if the cap goes down 10% so does all salaries...I do believe...

#2316588 Buck Wild?

Posted by LeftWinger on 06 July 2012 - 08:50 PM

I also do not understand that. He would be a solid second line center on half (if not more) NHL teams.

Ok, you said it "HE WOULD BE A SOLID SECOND CENTER..." that is what Anaheim wants in return...nobody is s***ting on Filppula. But you are not going to get Bobby Ryan for our 13-16th forwards in trade...geez!

Anaheim wold not take Franzine from us...they want Filppula. Filppula almost guarantees Selanne returns for another year, he has said for awhile now he wants to play with Flip. Filppula is both our trump card and the key to this trade...I too would rather trade Franzine before Flip....or niether at all and just give them five 13th forwards for Ryan, but it doesn't work that way...

Filppulla/Mursak/Tatar/Draft Pick should get it done. Great 2nd line center and two NHL ready prospects...we will not miss those two guys...first of all we'd have Bobby frickin Ryan and our stable is still full of younsters:

Jarnkrok, Pulkkinen, Jurco, Frk, Sheahan, Sproul, Tvrdon, Athanasiou, Bodin, McKee...the future will be fine!

#2316582 Dear Mr. Holland: Forget about FA, trade for Yandle and Ryan

Posted by LeftWinger on 06 July 2012 - 08:30 PM


All just speculation...but if Holland pulled off acquiring Ryan...the Future looks brighter than even with Parise...first Ryan, then Getzlar or Perry....or both!

#2316570 Buck Wild?

Posted by LeftWinger on 06 July 2012 - 08:03 PM

all the naysayers on here are ending our season already? Holland isn't done... Doan is still there, there was just a report that Holland is in the hunt of Bobby Ryan, so it's not like we have sunk to the deepest depths of the Central division. I would say if Holland got Ryan, Doan and Kubina, other than Suter being better than most of our D, and honestly, I would put Kronwall right up there with him...Kronner had 37 points being on the 2nd pairing, Suter had 46 points on the 1st pairing...when it comes to hitting, Kronwall eats him up all day. I would give Suter the nod defensively, but other than that, pretty equal...except when it comes to pay...

Parise actually had better centers in NJ. Koivu is really good, but there is only room for one leftwing on his line and Heatley will start bitching if he gets bumped off of it...he is the f***in allstar you know...

It's not like I am saying they aren't any better, of course these two makes them tons better, but I think Parise scores less in Minny than he did in NJ...I could be wrong, but we will see. I am more afraid of the Blues (:puke: oh....excuse me that just snuck up on me) than I am of the Wild... They are not in the central so we won't see them as much as I'd like, but no, I am not afraid. As long as Holland isn't done. Ryan, Doan, Kubina and I think Holland is ready to roll...

Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
Shane Doan ($5.750m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Damien Brunner ($1.350m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($3.000m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.500m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) /
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Pavel Kubina ($3.000m)
Kyle Quincey ($3.550m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) /
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,383,712; BONUSES: $462,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $4,816,288

It's not as pretty as having Parise and Suter on there, but it's still a very VERY good roster...