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#2305038 Would you make this trade?

Posted by LeftWinger on 03 June 2012 - 07:01 PM

No way, Helm is the deal breaker... There has to be a young prospect that could be thrown in there instead. I don't mind trading Kindl or Franzen, but I say no to trading Helm...Would they take Abby in his place? I would hate to trade him either, but if it is down to one or the other, Abby has to be the one...

This would be something though: Trade for Green and Laich, sign Vokoun, Wideman & Semin... (that is if Suter and Parise fall through) that would weird acquiring 5 NEW players all from the same team! Although Suter and Parise seem to be the #1 priorities, I think if Holland landed those 5 listed, it wouldn't be so bad....Add Doan to the mix as well, I think we are sitting pretty good, even if we lost out on Suter & Parise, then next year, throw the basket at Weber! Slap! Ok, Ok, I am awake now...thanks!

#2304938 Nice Khan article previewing the off-season

Posted by LeftWinger on 03 June 2012 - 10:32 AM

Why is it, when we talk about "floaters" in the NHL, it always seems to be European players? Do these Euro's just don't care when it comes down to it? Is the NHL not as important to them? Do they get their money and just mail it in for the rest of their careers? Are there any North American floaters? I am not singling out the Euro's, but it just always seems when the word "floater" is brought up, it seems it is always referring to a European player...More times than not...What about the term "locker room cancer" I hear this thrown around alot and that seems to have been said more so of Euro's too, but at least I have heard it about a few NA's...strange if you ask me...wonder what is behind this...coincidence?

#2304936 Throw the bank at RFA Shea Weber?

Posted by LeftWinger on 03 June 2012 - 10:22 AM

No....not that he is not worth the money, but there is no way Holland gives up 4 first round picks for him...

Now, if he only signs a 1 year with Nashville and he becomes a UFA next July? Yes...throw the bank at him...especially if we already have Suter!

#2304933 Off -Season Game Plan:Detroit Red Wings

Posted by LeftWinger on 03 June 2012 - 09:36 AM

I think Hudler will price himself out of Detroit's range, and obviously there's no need for Conklin to come back. But I disagree with you about Quincey, especially with Lidstrom leaving. Without re-signing Quincey we've only got 3 quality d-men signed plus unknown quantities in Kindl and Smith. I REALLY don't want to have to replace 3 defensemen in one year. Plus, after a year's worth of training camp and a steady partner Quincey is only likely to improve. Plus plus, letting him walk basically means flushing a first round pick down the toilet.

Admittedly, he didn't play well down the stretch or in the playoffs. But the guy is obviously not hopeless, and provided he returns to his previous form, could be very useful for a team short on defense moving forward.

No, not even...Holland HAS to qualify him with a contract since he is a RFA, or he will become a UFA. He made $3.125M last season, and that is all Holland has to offer him to "qualify" him. He will probably not accept that contract and will look elsewhere for more. If he signs a contract offer ANYWHERE ELSE in the salary range of $3,013,435 to $4,520,150, Holland gets compensated with a 1st AND a 3rd round pick if Holland does not match...nothing personal, just business. Especially if Holland lands Suter and maybe picks up another NHL ready #5/#6 defenseman... If they sign Quincey for $4M, then I think that is flushing the first rounder down the toilet. On this team, Quincey is just not worth $4M...IMO. Especially if he is going to be #4/#5/#6 ranked...he is more valuable on another team, especially if Holland lands Suter...You could never TRADE Quincey for a first and a third, but since he is an RFA due to make upwards of $4M, you may as well take the compensation...

#2304931 Nice Khan article previewing the off-season

Posted by LeftWinger on 03 June 2012 - 09:23 AM

The world isn't over on July 1st if Holland doesn't get Parise or Suter (not until December 21st) there are plenty of Plan 1a options out there that will cost a ton less... These players have all been mentioned or listed by us, news media, etc... plenty of times so I won't get into the names. Do I want Suter and Parise? Sure! But if we don't get both or even one, Holland will have his tricks up his sleeve. The only thing I hope is that if they sign elsewhere, its because someone overpaid them, not because of personal feelings towards Detroit or that Holland only offered them $5M or something. The only way I am mad at Holland is if these guys wanted to come here, bu Holland didn't offer them enough. If they signed aomewhere else for $7.5M or less and expressed interest in coming to Detroit for the same salary, then I will be upset with Holland for not wanting to pay them...but like I said, I hope Holland tries to get both and offer's them a huge salary to come here, but if he tries (without lowballing them) and they don't sign here, that is fine too, just make this better and I will be happy!

#2304844 Off -Season Game Plan:Detroit Red Wings

Posted by LeftWinger on 02 June 2012 - 04:06 PM

Players I DON'T WANT to see sign in Detroit: \

Jiri Hudler, Kyle Quincey, Ty Conklin...

#2304505 Nice Khan article previewing the off-season

Posted by LeftWinger on 01 June 2012 - 04:39 AM

Ummm yes. Quincey alone made 3.3 million this past year. he will go up. Helm and Abby will be pushing 1.5 to 2 million each. So ya, around 8 million for those 3.

Dont know what you are smoking man....Quincey only made $3.125M and there is NO WAY neither Helm or Abby have earned a $2M contract yet....Helm MAYBE could get $2M if he wanted to hold Holland hostage and look for offers elsewhere, but then that would just show what kind of player he is...Abby doesn't get above $1.25M. $3M TOTAL is the MOST these two will cost to re-sign...Quincey will be gone. On this team he is not even worth $3.125M, but unfortunately if Holland wants the picks in return, he has to tender him a qualifying offer of just that, $3.125M. If Kyle signs ANYWHERE else for $3M-$4.5M, Holland gets a 1st and a 3rd for him in return. Holland couldn't trade him for a 1st & a 3rd, so he would be stupid to offer him anything that would be considered over-payment for a #5/#6 defenseman (on our roster) and let him get an offer for $4M from someone. Sure he is a top 4 league wide, but not here, especially not if they sign Suter and Schultz...

#2304370 Which Players Would You Choose

Posted by LeftWinger on 31 May 2012 - 02:54 PM

Had to go with Parise-Doan-Suter since Holland will NOT be giving up all those draft picks to sign Weber this summer... Glad to see Doan is on their radar, I don't get the hate on him because he whined about the refs, don't we all do that every game and wish that someone on the team would call the refs out once in a while?

I will take Parise to replace Hudler, Doan to replace Holmstrom, Moen to replace Mursak/Emmerton and Wideman to replace Stuart, oh and Vokoun to replace MacDonald. That is with a $70M Cap...

As long as we are hoping against hope:

Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Shane Doan ($4.500m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Travis Moen ($1.250m) / Darren Helm ($1.350m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.200m)
Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Drew Miller ($0.838m) /

Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ryan Suter ($7.000m)
Ian White ($2.875m) / Dennis Wideman ($4.000m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) /

Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Tomas Vokoun ($1.100m)

SALARY CAP: $70,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,808,712; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $191,288

#2304030 Nick Lidstrom retires after 20 seasons

Posted by LeftWinger on 30 May 2012 - 07:33 PM

speaking of retiring, I sure wish Sergei would sign a one day contract with the Wings so he can retire in the uniform he rightly belongs in! Of course with today's news, it may seem like he may be jumping on the coattails of Nick a bit and I am sure he'd hate to steal any thunder, but maybe he could do it sometime during the season...Nick/Homer/Sergei all "retiring" at once...certain HOF's? Well, not Holmstrom but definitely a helluva retirement class!

#2304017 Nick Lidstrom retires after 20 seasons

Posted by LeftWinger on 30 May 2012 - 07:11 PM

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#2303981 Red Wings Next Captain

Posted by LeftWinger on 30 May 2012 - 05:30 PM

Zetterberg...and when he retires...Helm.

Could be that way. The 4th A could go to Filppula as well. Both Cleary and Fil are due for new contracts. Fil seems like the better long-term investment.

Ya, I would think Cleary will be done after next season...

#2303951 Nick Lidstrom retires after 20 seasons

Posted by LeftWinger on 30 May 2012 - 05:05 PM

Well, I guess I'll be getting drunk while bemoaning the Red Wings new terrible lot in life. This...is just THE WORST! And I'm being way more articulate now than I was earlier when all I could get out was "we are f***ed," over and over and over again while my body slipped into a shock-like state. I honestly did not see this coming. I really expected it to be next year. I was emotionally prepared for next year. This year? This is just...THE WORST!!!

Nah, whats worse is that we had to watch Lidstrom retire bowing out in the first round...we'll have to watch Brodeur retire possibly hoisting a Cup...now that'll suck! Lets hope LA humiliates the Devils!

#2303908 Nick Lidstrom retires after 20 seasons

Posted by LeftWinger on 30 May 2012 - 04:14 PM


Well, its official...now that ESPN, the AUTHORITY on the NHL has it, so it must be true! :lol: Of course it comes after the NBA playoffs report, NASCAR and Hold Em news!

:lol: Seriously, time to change this teams makeup...with Lids and most likely Holmstrom going, that officially ends the "Dynasty Era" of the 90's Red Wings... I know Dats was there in 02, but other than that....Wow, what a group of players I got to watch I went from 1979 and the Dead Wings to Yzerman and Gallant and Probert to Feds first game to pre-lockout season....HO.LEE.s***! Best Players EVER...

#2303898 Nick Lidstrom retires after 20 seasons

Posted by LeftWinger on 30 May 2012 - 03:55 PM

If true, how lucky have I been? Yzerman...Fedorov...Lidstrom...now Datsyuk...no other fan of ANY team can even come close to that in this era!

...Crosby who?

#2303877 Nick Lidstrom retires after 20 seasons

Posted by LeftWinger on 30 May 2012 - 03:31 PM

Well if this is the case, retirement. You better believe Ryan Suter will be the highest paid defenseman in the NHL...Could Suter this year and Weber next year be in the plans!?!?!? :lol: !

Anyhow, if it is just a conference call, I don't expect it'll be a retirement, but if it is indeed a presser, then adios Lids!

I remember a game vs. Chicago in your rookie year when you got hit in the visor with a mixed drink and the entire visor was covered in strawberry mix! Sorry, and all the Cups and goals and Norris', etc... Thanks Nick for 20 years! And maybe for just ONE more!