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#2621029 Remaing RFAs to be signed - Jurco, Pulkkinen, Aubry

Posted by LeftWinger on 20 July 2015 - 11:30 PM

maybe I should, because there's just no way that a commoner could ever know anyone outside of Hazard County. Guess I'll go to farmers only dot com and stick with the poor folk. Not that farmers are poor, but boy they sure can tell a tale! I guess I was put in my place, I dont know anyone...jenny McCarthy?

#2621014 Remaing RFAs to be signed - Jurco, Pulkkinen, Aubry

Posted by LeftWinger on 20 July 2015 - 07:14 PM

Obviously you guys don't remember squat. It's my friend who skates in a pick up hockey league with one of the trainers, and it wasn't Helm, it was Kindl and Smith that had the character issues, Helm was described as a "Barbie doll" by said trainer.  BUT, its not like I hate the guy, I just said he became tradable with the emergence of Sheahan and Glendening. Because Helm was a coveted center at one time and he could bring us a nice return if he were packaged in a deal...sheesh guys, if you are going to blast me on things, at least get it right, what happened to all the looking up of old posts I did? They sure seem to pop up everytime I say that I grew sour on the Franzen deal right away...



But, ya, if you must know, some of the overpaid tradable players that would make room for more cap space and or the kids are indeed Howard, Franzen and Quincey.  We have better quality assets already in the system that make way less money. $5M for a backup goalie is outrageous and he will get traded if not at the deadline, then next off season...but of course no one will get traded, we will waive two of Ferraro, Callahan and Andersson and we will get our cap relief that way.  Of course since Datsyuk will miss October into November, we already get $7.5M in cap relief come end of training camp. So that works out for us right away.



..and as long as we are keeping score, in addition to my friend Dan who I mentioned above, my friend Jeff used to date Danny D's sister, that is how I learned of him and I work and have known Manny Legace's father-in-law for 20 years at THE major airline in Detroit before the merger as Northwest and now after the merger. His name is Chris (of course I am not saying the last names) and Chris' sister Joy also works with us and I have known her for nearly 25 years. BTW Manny's mother-in-law name? Sandy.


It's hilarious how folks just don't think that people can know people just because they are famous.  Another co-worker (former co-worker) has a child that has a rare muscle condition the requires help to even roll over in bed, his name is Rob, we used to call him tumbleweed, another friend by proxy helped him out in purchasing a bed that actually turns his son over every so often automatically, that name? Sergei Fedorov, you may have heard of him. Knowing him through Rob and family, is mostly why I defend him at every turn, especially when it comes to his reputation. BTW, even though I have never met him personally, but Manny's Father/Law is very close personal friends with Chelios, they still hang out from time to time.


In another unrelated yet related topic, where I live now, near Silver Lake Sand Dunes, we have two famous actors and one former NBA player who have summer homes, former Piston Cliff Robinson, everyone's favorite barfly Norm, George Wendt and Dewey Cox himself, John C. Riley. My parents bowl with Uncle Cliffy and have met the other a few times, but I have not had the pleasure to do so...


So, just so we know, this post is here forever so it can be traceable and if anyone needs to refer back to this in order to try to prove something, its all right here.

#2620765 Lovable Dan Cleary update thread

Posted by LeftWinger on 17 July 2015 - 10:15 AM

That's not WATER!!!!!! :P

#2620629 Free agents this off season

Posted by LeftWinger on 15 July 2015 - 12:30 PM

Yes, but if you are landing Franson for $3.5M - $4M for 2-3 years and then dumping E and K you are actually gaining a roster spot in the long run and saving over $2M in cap. E's contract is horrendous and is WAY too long. Call Nill up and see if he wants him for a low pick.

Kronwall - Franson

Dekeyser - Green

Smith - Quincey


#2620575 Babcock's already losing it?

Posted by LeftWinger on 15 July 2015 - 08:30 AM

...or when he was told that Cleary, BErt and Sammy will all injured and he had to play the kids.



...or when he was told that Detroit had signed Mike Commodore. (& Mike Modano & then Jordin Tootoo and then again traded for David Legwand, etc...etc...)

#2620486 Remaing RFAs to be signed - Jurco, Pulkkinen, Aubry

Posted by LeftWinger on 14 July 2015 - 11:48 AM

Pulks will get signed, he has no significant NHL time to negotiate with, so it shouldn't be an issue. Aubry, not worried about.  I don't think he will make here in Detroit anyhow, I think his time has passed, at least here in Detroit.  Maybe he also can be a small piece in a package elsewhere.


If they plan to trade K or Q to relieve cap, then Aubry and or Jurco especially can sweetin the deal a smidge to upgrade the draft pick or other prospect coming our way.

#2620154 Red Wings sign D Mike Green (3-years, $18-million)

Posted by LeftWinger on 11 July 2015 - 08:36 PM

#34 will be in the rafters for Mrazek, he will rewrite Roy's and Brodeur's stats....there I said it.

25 is fine, everyone was fine with Chelios in #24.

#2619838 Pittsburgh: America's hockey capital? Lol

Posted by LeftWinger on 09 July 2015 - 01:00 PM

Every team's state/city tries this, it's like they all want to jump on the Hockeytown wagon.  Get over it, there is only ONE Hockeytown. Its just too bad you didn't coin a phrase first...now it just makes you look like you are trying to copy us, and failing miserably...thanks for playing...

#2619830 Wings sign Brad Richards 1 yr, $3 million

Posted by LeftWinger on 09 July 2015 - 12:42 PM

#17, I like it. #25 for Green, like it even more!  I am so glad they didn't choose outrageous odd ball numbers like 58 or 92 or 74. I know sometimes the numbers have to be that high, but it looks so much better with "normal" numbers, if I can call them that. Also, those #'s way up there just seem so temporary, like they're training camp numbers for tryouts.  I still wish Danny D would've chosen a lower number, but its too late now!


I even wished that Franzen would've gone back to #39 once Dom left us for good, it all seemed to look better, and even though Homer made the #96, I sure liked when he first came up and had #15 for a bit.

#2619673 Wings sign Brad Richards 1 yr, $3 million

Posted by LeftWinger on 08 July 2015 - 04:45 PM

I think a ton of people will be pleasantly surprised by Richards.  Whether he centers Z or Pav or on his own line, we all know the combos will be tweaked all year long, he will be used more than Weiss was and will be a positive on this team and help them move forward.

#2619502 Free agents this off season

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 July 2015 - 06:05 PM

I remember when we had a one trick pony named Hull. Slow, no PK skills, hardly played D, but hey he had something, a absolute ROCKET of a shot! Not saying he is the next Hull, but as long as he plays with defensively responsible line mates, what's wrong with having this one trick on our team?

#2619382 Free agents this off season

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 July 2015 - 11:09 AM

Pulk needs to be utilized correctly. Put him with Jurco and Sheahan and use him in the slot in the PP. Rocket shot, needs to stay out of the checking role. Calder candidate if he is used correctly. I believe Blash will do so.

#2619250 Retire Sergei Fedorovís Jersey Immediately

Posted by LeftWinger on 06 July 2015 - 02:44 PM

It should be there and will.


Fedorov was offered virtually identical contract in DECEMBER of 2002.  He asked Holland if he could wait to decide because he was in the middle of a divorce and looking for a new agent. Wben all that settled and Fedorov WANTED to sign the contract that was offered to him in DECEMBER, he was told it was no longer on the table and was offered a contract with less term and worth less money. The organization slapped Feds in the face because he didn't want to make the decision in the middle of very personal issues going on in his life.  Feds left and signed nearly exact contract (from December) with Anaheim.  In NO way can you compare Fedorov with Yashin...apples and oranges when it comes to production and honoring contracts.  When Fedorov was making league minimum ($285,000) at the time, he never ONCE asked to be paid more or held out to renegotiate anything.  The Wings gave him a raise before his contract was up, along with an extension. Then when 1997-98 come around, the Wings told him to field offers from other teams if he felt like it, they were going to match whatever was offered anyhow.  The ONLY reason Karmanos offered Feds so much up front is because (as it is known) he and Ilitch are bitter rivals and near enemies and Karmonos would have loved to have poached this prized possession from his rival. You cannot blame Feds or accepting such an offer because he knew that Wings would match and he would pretty much be guaranteed all that money up front...he wouldn't have gotten it from Carolina, they would have never made the conference finals.  BUT for the rest of the contract, from 1998-2003, Feds only may slightly over $2M, which is what he was making basically from his raise he got from Detroit in the mid 90's. So for nearly 10 years (outside of his bonuses) Feds was making $2M or less per season for all he did for this franchise and all the accolades he was getting in the NHL.  So be pissed at him because he actually wanted to sign the original 5 year $55M offer and he left when it was lessoned to 4 years $40M? Be pissed at Holland or whoever pulled the offer, because if the offer still stood at 5 years $55M, he would've never left the organization and this would not even be up or debate.


They pissed each other off, sure, no argument there, but the number deserves to be recognized and put up in the rafters with the rest of the Wings Elite. It's time, it's deserving and needs to be done.


Sergei Federov - Hart, Selke, All-Star, All Rookie, Hall of Fame, Stanley Cup Champion.  Its a no brainer, if the number doesn't go up, its because this organization is nothing but a crybaby grudge holding hunk of garbage when it come to this subject. Honor your ELITE, Fedorov helped build this team to its greatness, he bled for it, he suffered for it, he left his family for it.  You pulled the offer from him, its time to atone for that mistake.  Put #91 up there next to #5 and #19, perhaps the THREE reasons that this team achieved such greatness throughout the 90's into the 2000's, alone they could not have done it, but together they made this franchise Elite.

#2619240 Babcock's already losing it?

Posted by LeftWinger on 06 July 2015 - 02:04 PM

Remember, this is the former coach who routinely played Cleary, Samuelsson and Bertuzzi over Nyquist, Sheahan and Tatar because he was the best coach in the NHL.  Toronto is going to see just how "great" this coach is, we are going to see it.  Either he is the great coach everyone thinks, or he is just a coach who rodes the coattails of the Scotty Bowman administration to the Cup and showed us just how great he was ever since.


Maybe it was a threat directed at Kadri....."Kadri WILL be an elite payer for us! YOU WILL BE!  OR ELSE!"  or maybe it meant "you better be elite for us, because we have nothing and someone needs to be elite..."

#2619215 Nyquist Files For Arbitration

Posted by LeftWinger on 06 July 2015 - 12:49 PM

You have to ask yourself, what would Dats, Z or Kronner get on the open market? Exactly! Either Nyquist wants to stay in Detroit and be a part of this or he wants top market value money around the NHL.  None of these 25-30 goals scorers are "worth" $5M+, yet because of the cap floor and desperate teams to "win" signing sweepstakes, these non superstar players are garnering contracts that are unearned.


Nyquist is not worth $5M-$6M especially not on this team.  I am sick of players having a couple good years and then getting "paid" and then falling into obscurity. This is the problem with not having to "prove" that you are constant enough to earn that kind of money. IMO, Nyquist should get a two year deal between $3M-$3.5M to prove he is a consistent 30 goal scorer and even prove he can be in that elite status like Dats and Z, then after 2 years, give him Z and D money (or more.)


I'd hate to lose him, but with the contracts due up next season, and even "better" prospects set to come up within the next few seasons, $6M right now would seriously handcuff this team...seriously. Lets say Nyquist gets awarded $5.5M and goes on to score 30 goals for the next 2 seasons, fine, but also Tatar scores 30 the next two seasons again, then what? Obviously Tatar will garner $6M+ right? He outscored Nyquist already last season, there is no reason to believe that he won't also continue to play just as well.  What if when Pulk re-signs a small contract this year for 2 years and he scores 25-30 also? $6M?


I understand Nyquist is good, and he should be one of the next leaders of this team after Pav and Z, BUT, lets come together on a nice bridge deal that gives you a HUGE raise from $1.05M last season to $3.5M for the next two years.  Prove to the team that you are consistent enough to get superstar money. Plus help the team out by taking less to be part of it, don't be "that" player who milks the market and then never performs up to the contract expectation, like a ton of players do in this league.  Besides, with the likes of Quincey being gone soon, Franzen going the way of Pronger, most likely Howard being traded before his contract expires, there will more money available within 2 years and the team won't be handcuffed or forced to trade or waive players that they really want to keep.


re: Jensen and Callahan, they both have to get signed, sure the cap hit will be minimal, probably less that $1.75M combined, but Callahan is out of waiver exemptions and WILL count against the cap until he clears waivers. It's very little, but it all adds up.


I know the market calls for it, and if you compare other players to Nyquist, $5M-$6M is market value, I just hope that Nyquist would prefer to take a little less for a couple of seasons to allow this team to be the best it can be.  Nyquist is good, but good enough on his own to lose the likes of Tatar, Pulkkinen or the next 50 point scorer just so we can pay him $6M right now. But, when it comes to this type of situation, logic never wins. He may very well get $6M in SA, or even $4.5M from Holland, but guarantee if he does, you can kiss a couple of our prized prospects goodbye when they are RFA's because of cap issues.  Then we will be stuck with another "choice" to make...and Tatar is better than Nyquist, so you'd know my choice.