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#2179036 Brian Rafalski announces retirement after 11 NHL seasons

Posted by LeftWinger on 24 May 2011 - 11:47 AM

if he wanted to play for the red wings,than he would have kept his mouth closed and would not have guarantied that he would return to nashville

Sorry to inform you PredsFanTheBayou, but he is not gonna come out and say he DOESN'T want to be in Nashville, how would that sound? He isn't even gonna say he wants to see what happens come July 1st. He is be PC and so he doesn't lose faith from fans or his teammates, but in a business, anything can and will AND HAS happened. We've experiencede both sides of that puck:

1. Chris Chelios hates Detroit so much that he would accept a trade there...oops, March 1999, Chelios waives his No-Trade Clause and is traded to Detroit.

2. Marion Hossa tells everyone in the free world that Detroit is where he is gonna end his career, he is gonna a Red Wing and he is going to take less money to stay here. He says it's not even a question, we are just working on the details...oops, July 2009, Marion Hossa signs a "lifetime" contract with the Chicago Blackhawks, chooses to leave Detroit...

I am not saying it will happen, I am not saying it won't happen, it may not even be Detroit where he goes, but prepare yourself because it COULD happen, and if it does, you guys will turn on him just as fast as a Louisiana.....well you understand....

Oh, let me give you another example that needs no explanation, just one word.....Fedorov....

#2178758 Brian Rafalski announces retirement after 11 NHL seasons

Posted by LeftWinger on 23 May 2011 - 09:00 PM

Lids signs for $6M then offer $9M and 3 yrs to Weber (I hope that would be enough (what is the most a player can make?)) If Nashville matches then they would surely lose Suter next off season, if they do not match, then we lose how many first rounders? Anyhow, trade Hudler away and even with the $15M tied up in Weber and Lidstrom, Holland still has roughly $11.5M to finish up the D, (which I would still love to see Wisniewski) and maybe get a solid scoring winger to play with Datsyuk (Tanguay? Jokinen? Dunno) For example purposes, I chose Tanguay and MacDonald as a back up ( I realize I could be off a bit on their salaries.)


Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Alex Tanguay ($2.500m)
Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Drew Miller ($0.800m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Patrick Eaves ($0.900m)
/ Jan Mursak ($0.550m)

Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)
Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Shea Weber ($9.000m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / James Wisniewski ($4.000m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m)

Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,108,711; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,391,289

...again, just guestimating on some salaries, also still not sure how many first rounders we'd lose to sign Weber at $9M...

I realize this lineup doesn't do much to address our lack of grit problems up front, and you would especially NOT want your $9M Weber fighting, but I'd say our D gets mean and tougher for sure....

EDIT: Whoever negged me, please explain why...because Hudler gets traded? Also I said I just used Tanguay as an example...Mods, you should make it so when someone negs someone they have to explain why...

#2178701 Brian Rafalski announces retirement after 11 NHL seasons

Posted by LeftWinger on 23 May 2011 - 07:28 PM

Forget Hossa that will never happen.

Forget Hasek that will never happen.

etc. There is always a chance, always.


#2178581 Brian Rafalski announces retirement after 11 NHL seasons

Posted by LeftWinger on 23 May 2011 - 05:00 PM

Now this is exciting, at least now we know something is gonna happen, either a trade or a signing of someone significant. I cannot stop looking up salaries and stats and hits and teams!!!!

The thing is, now Holland just doesn't have to shore up the defensive end of the line, but now he is going to have to find away to replace Rafalski's points and powerplay minutes... Ehrhoff makes sense, what about Kaberle? Wisniewski scored 51 points, now offering him $4M doesn't seem out of the realm. Holland is gonna have to scoop someone up in the first week, if not the first day of UFA, just to make sure he fills Rafi's spot as best as he can...

#2178559 Brian Rafalski announces retirement after 11 NHL seasons

Posted by LeftWinger on 23 May 2011 - 04:45 PM

Please OH please DO NOT give in to Ericsson's demands! Just go and try to land Bieska or Wisniewski or Brewer....

But now is the time to convince me Ken, that you ARE the All Powerfull Wizard of GM's... If you really have magic, it is now time to weave it!

As of now, here is our confirmed D:

Stuart - Kronwall
Kindl - ???????
??????? - ???????


#2178533 Brian Rafalski announces retirement after 11 NHL seasons

Posted by LeftWinger on 23 May 2011 - 04:26 PM

Holy s***! Now what?

Mathieu Schneider.... :ninja:

#2178499 Nabokov to report to Isles camp

Posted by LeftWinger on 23 May 2011 - 03:46 PM

Nabokov will never be a Wing, give it up.

...and Hudler sucks, he's done being a Wing...deal with it...

#2178496 Changes in the offseason

Posted by LeftWinger on 23 May 2011 - 03:40 PM

I don't know if anyone saw this but I think it's funny that he has some of the same ideas that a lot of people on here have.


yeah, I wonder how many "negs" he received for saying trade Hudler... :ninja:

#2178333 Changes in the offseason

Posted by LeftWinger on 22 May 2011 - 09:26 PM

Manny Malhotra shoots right?

To be fair about Williams, he was coming off an almost 50 point season (and shoots right). If I remember correctly, Holland wanted to find a point shot for the PP. I don't think Malhotra fits the bill.

Nicklas Lidström is, in fact, human. So I guess this means Kenny Holland is human too? What is this world coming too????!!?

Finally we hear it, Holland is human and makes mistakes and isn't the Stonewall, Ironclad GM he is rumored to be. Malhotra 1,000,000 X better than Williams... Oh well, lets hope Robo-Holland shows up this off season and doesn't make any human mistakes...

#2178320 Changes in the offseason

Posted by LeftWinger on 22 May 2011 - 08:42 PM

Tiny tweaks is all this team needs. I say re-sign Ericsson and find a replacement for Salei. Maybe let Miller go, re-sign Draper to a cheap two-way contract for leadership depth, and find a solid, universal 3rd liner with some speed, who is good in the face-off circle, and can also handle the 2nd line role if needed to fill in for an injury. Who? I have no fookin clue.


Did I just describe Manny Melhotra?

Yes, but even though Malhotra WANTED to be here, Holland said no thanks to him at $1.5M and gave it to Jason Williams instead... Yay greatest GM!

#2178048 Per Bill Daly - Salary Cap

Posted by LeftWinger on 21 May 2011 - 10:09 PM

Lol @ trading Hudler or Filpulla for Nobokov. This place has gone mad since elimination. :blink:

lol @ not.... Nabokov will report to camp, but he aint gonna play, so trading the likes of Hudler to the Isle is easy. Unless you are saying that Nabokov is not worth Hudler, then I say :hysterical: It's amazing that folks still think Hudler is gonna help Detroit. I understand, let's give him another year, that's fine, but when he is hot garbage again what will it be, let's re-sign him and give him another chance? If last season and the playoffs is not enough proof that Hudler blows chunks, then you slappies are hopeless... I guess if he is on the Wings at least I have someone to blame things on...

Hey, you like your players soft and fluffy, I prefer them to be hard and mean....just a difference of opinion. Sure Cole and Jokinen don't exactly define hard and mean, but I am just geting tired of the same soft players getting injured every season, especially when it counts. I just want a little change, thats all, just a little...

#2177998 Changes in the offseason

Posted by LeftWinger on 21 May 2011 - 05:23 PM

Would you rather him over pay for free agents every year? I know I dont... Find your leaders within the system for hometown rates and loyalty. Only go fishing in FA when needed hence Rafalski. Just look at some of the recent top player FA contracts and they get quite pricey and don't work on in the long run.

I'm not trying to call you out but we were one win short of the final four with injuries. We faced a3-0 series defiect not because of what players but instead of how they were playing the first couple of games. Holland always ices a contender and we are damn lucky to have that good of a GM contracts like datsyuk and Zerterberg look better every year as the caps go up.

I understand, and I have no doubt that he whatever happens, the Wings will be contenders again, but I do not want to be one win away from being eliminated so early in the playoffs. To sweep Phoenix and then to be on the verge of being swept is not where I want to see this team next season. I know, a bounce here and a bounce there and if Franzen was healthy...

Those contracts do look good, but having extra cap space allows him to give a big UFA some big cash to come here. And really Wisniewski is not that big of a UFA, it's not like what it would cost to lure Weber here, but Wisniewski is better than Salei and Ericsson combined. Unfortunately, if Holland sits on his hands until August, Salei and Ericcson (maybe not even Ericsson) will be the only OKAY choices he has... I just want to see Holland make some changes instead of saying, if this guy was healthy or that guy was healthy. Fact is, Franzen gets injured EVERY season, even in 2008 he missed almost the entire Dallas series if I remember correctly...injuries happen, BUT it happens to Franzen TOO MUCH.

#2177995 Per Bill Daly - Salary Cap

Posted by LeftWinger on 21 May 2011 - 05:09 PM

Here's our 2011-12 lineup, I'm afraid. The next offseason should get real interesting. That's when we should start to see some improvements in the team.

Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Jiri Hudler ($2.875m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Drew Miller ($0.700m)
Patrick Eaves ($0.800m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Tomas Tatar ($0.840m)

Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Brian Rafalski ($6.000m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($1.200m) / Ruslan Salei ($1.100m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Logan Pyett ($0.900m)

Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Thomas McCollum ($0.816m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,365,377; BONUSES: $260,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $34,623

I am afraid you are right except exchange Tatar for Mursak (he cannot be sent down without clearing waivers,) but I would like to see something more like this....

Johan Franzen ($3.954m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m)
Erik Cole ($3.500m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Jussi Jokinen ($2.000m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($0.950m)
Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
/ Jan Mursak ($0.550m)

Brian Rafalski ($6.000m) / Nicklas Lidstrom ($5.500m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / James Wisniewski ($3.750m)
Anton Babchuk ($1.900m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
/ Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Evgeni Nabokov ($0.570m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $63,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,653,711; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $846,289

(I know it isn't probable Lidstrom will sign for less than $6M, but it just gives me a little cap space for mid season help...)

...I'd trade Hudler for Nabokov and have to say goodbye to Miller, unless I sign him and then expose him to waivers and send him to GRR. You may not like the players I chose to sign, but either way, this team needs change....change...change....but unfortunately you are probably right and if this team stays the same, I don't feel too good about our Cup chances next season...

#2177991 Changes in the offseason

Posted by LeftWinger on 21 May 2011 - 04:37 PM

disturbing that I read in a Detroit News articles today that Holland isn't exicted by the available UFA's this year and will likely not pursue anyone until he sees what is left in August and September...

"I've found there are two different (free-agency periods)," Red Wings general manager Ken Holland said. "From July 1 to July 7, you have the premium guys who are getting premium dollars.

"After that, you have guys who are waiting for deals."

The waiting strategy has actually worked for the Red Wings — Patrick Eaves, Ruslan Salei and Mike Modano were signed as the summer faded into early fall.

Really? This strategy has actually worked with Salei, Eaves and Modano? REALLY? Who the f*** are you trying to kid? Hey, Kenny, are you still competing for the Cup? NO! SO IT DIDN'Tf****** WORK! God Damn I am so sick and tired of Holland and his "holier than thou" GM skills! You got bounced two years straight in the second round BY THE SAME TEAM!!!! MAKE SOMEf****** CHANGES! But Nooooooooooo! Holland is gonna let ALL the good UFA's walk elsewhere ON THE CHEAP none-the-less, then he will re-sign Fetisov for a comeback tour! Holland knows how to negotiate a contract, BUT HE IS FAR FROM THE BEST GM IN THE LEAGUE! For every example of Holland finding a late round gem, I can give you an example of another team finding someone just as good if not better! And if someone even mentions Ericsson...... :ranting:

From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/a...s#ixzz1N1c0mUSg

#2177814 Subliminal Sidney Crosby Messages in NHL commercials?

Posted by LeftWinger on 20 May 2011 - 08:34 PM

Perhaps the same reason Crosby name is the only one on the Cup is the same reason the NHL refuses to let Phoenix move.... What the NHL wants, the NHL gets. Playing or not, Crosby is still their poster child. Yes, he is up there in PPG, but he is FAR FAR FAR from the most complete player in the league. I for one am sorry he got hurt to the point that he may not play anymore, BUT I am glad that his name won;t be jammed down our throats anymore if he doesn't return. (although sometimes I think Carmen would like Crosby down his throat.) Anyhow, I would like to see this commercial myself, but I don't care if they show his name, because Lidstrom's, name is on there 3 more times than his! We know it, the NHL knows it, and unfortunately as hard as the NHL tries to deny the fact that the Red Wings ARE the best thing in hockey, everyone knows the truth. Show Sid all you want, he will never have more Cups than Nick Lidstrom.....take that to the bank! Oooooooh Yeaaaaaahhh! (RIP Macho Man!)