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#2267016 Cleary, Bertuzzi, Hudler and Franzen

Posted by LeftWinger on 05 March 2012 - 11:11 PM

You can whine when he stops playing up to his contract.

As of right now, it is a good value contract, and with the cap continuing to steadily rise, it will continue to be less and less of a percentage of the cap hit.

When Ville Leino is getting paid $4.5 million to score 6 goals and Rick Nash is being paid almost 8 million for the same goals as Franzen at this point, I would think we should be perfectly okay with how the Franzen contract has played out so far.

And I don't really care about regular salary. Detroit is the second most valuable team in the U.S. (behind the Rangers), so whether they take a small bath on overpaying in salary for their leading goal scorer, I can live with that.

on the other side of the ball sack, Hudler, Helm, Miller and Filppula are make LESS than Franzen and are out performing him on a regular basis. Filppula is way more valuable to this team than Franzen...so is Helm and Abdelkader, so you can argue his salary both ways. He is overpaid considering for his lack of consistency IMO. He takes a raincheck on most nights. If he would play 100% for 82 games? He'd be making $8M somewhere...

#2266977 henrik zetterberg

Posted by LeftWinger on 05 March 2012 - 09:26 PM

I was just reading about all of our injuries today and mlive reported that henrik zetterberg has been playing with an upper body injury. One has to think ,given his history, that it is his back bothering him. With that said, i am very happy with hank because, despite his injury he has still managed to pick up his game to a new level and work his butt off every shift to help carry the wings. But, when pavel comes back i think it is really important to have him rest a few games once pasha is back because we need our eurotwins rested and healthy for playoffs.

I tend to agree about his back. Listen, I love Zetterberg, he was a beast in 08' but the Wings should have never given him that life long contract with his history of back issues. I know that the length needed to be that long in order to bring the cap hit down, but he will never play as long as his contract is...the exact same goes for Franzen...well except I hate him.

To get it fixed it will require time they don't currently have. On the short scale, it's one of those things were you want to keep playing on it in fears of what it would feel like once given the chance to set in. Maybe it would lock up on him if he were to take a few days off, so he continues to just wear on it.

Not sure why you got negged for that, it would be nice for the yellowbelly coward to debate why they negged someone...

#2266791 3/4 GDT : Blackhawks 2 at Red Wings 1

Posted by LeftWinger on 05 March 2012 - 08:53 AM

Keeping Franzen over Hossa was the right move because Ken Holland is the greatest GM in the history of the world and should never be questioned! :ninja:

(even though Hossa is 1,000,000,000 times better than Franzen ever imagined to be.)

Franzen showed his work ethic again against the Hawks. Problem is, this guy will never be traded because every other GM knows his work ethic and wants no part of him. I would just buy him out.

#2266132 Brendan Smith watch thread

Posted by LeftWinger on 03 March 2012 - 02:59 PM

Lids, Suter, White, Kronner, Quincey, Smith, Ericsson, Kindl???

If Smith is NHL ready, Lids returns AND they sign Suter, they will no choice BUT to trade Ericsson because they cannot have a $3M player being the 7th defenseman.


You'd have to have Kindl be the #7 because he makes less than $1M. I have a strange feeling though that the re-signing of Quincey is gonna be Holland's July 1st D pickup, because if Lids comes back that will give them 7 NHL defensemen. I think Holland will give Lids his $6.2M and say his defense is set.


The only thing this does is give us hope that if Weber does another 1yr deal in Nashville, he will be a UFA in 2013 and we can hope against all hopes that Weber is a Red Wing in 13/14.

This will be okay too, then Holland can maybe throw $7M+ for a long term deal to Parise and address that issue. Then attempt to sign Lids replacement in 2013...

#2266130 Who are the biggest threats in playoffs?

Posted by LeftWinger on 03 March 2012 - 02:17 PM

All are huge threats in their own way, especially on the road...

...definitely the PP/PK...

...Helm will have a great playoff. Franzen....BETTER show up!

#2266126 Brendan Smith watch thread

Posted by LeftWinger on 03 March 2012 - 02:09 PM

I was very impressed with both Smith and Quincey last night. IMO they both deserves playing time over and above Ericsson and Kindl. I think this defense is in great shape even with Stuart probably leaving and even if Lidstrom retires. I still think Holland should go hard after Suter. I know it probably won't happen, but Lids needs to come back for around $4.5M in order to secure Suter and Parise long term. If he doesn't feel he can take the pay cut, then there is going to be issues siging Suter and Parise. That is only my opinion though and :censored:

Anyhow, Smith looked real good yesterday, let's see if he can stay out of the abysmal black hole on the road that the rest of this team falls into. Good for him!

BTW: I absolutely LOVE Franzen's demotion. He is even lacking effort on the third line....damn that stupid ass contract.


He said the defense was better without Ericsson. Lidstrom has been out both of those games as well.

But I guess this isn't just more baseless Ericsson bashing and you can somehow determine that the defense actually looks better overall specifically because of Ericsson's absence and not Lidstrom's?

It used to be that Kindl>Ericsson, which was wrong. Ericsson clearly outplayed Kindl, who couldn't hold his spot in the lineup over Commie. When that became obvious, you guys shifted to complaining about Ericsson's contract. Now that he's out of the lineup, somehow you can tell the defense is better specifically because of his absence.

You guys hate him. That's fine. Certain players are just going to get bashed. But it's not about what's actually happening on the ice, it's silly to pretend otherwise.

As for Smith, I'm glad he's finally getting some playing time. I know it's probably for the best, but Holland's "overly ripe"philosophy can be frustrating. I can't wait until this kids a regular in the lineup.

It just shows me that if the Wings ditched Ericsson and Lidstrom retired, the D would be okay without them!

Next Season:


#2265493 Current standings

Posted by LeftWinger on 01 March 2012 - 05:48 PM


#2265487 Wings W-L Record In Final 22?

Posted by LeftWinger on 01 March 2012 - 05:31 PM

So how do you guys think the Wings will go the rest of the way now with all these injuries? I saw the finish no better than 4th in the conference as the Blues and possibly Predators will overtake them to go along with the Canucks.

These "fans" are idiots...I said the same thing on deadline day, that they would lose the #1 seed and possible drop to 6th in the playoffs, hell they are already in 4th. They laughed at me. They call you an idiot. Seems nobody wants to admit that the Wings are not omnipotent.

Dudes, not saying the Wings suck, but Holland should have made a blockbuster. Now with injuries, they are going to lose their position even more. They played like crap against Columbus except for the last 10-12 minutes. That comeback doesn't happen against anyone but Columbus. They needed a shakeup. Now they know they can float around and not show up 100% and be confident there will be no repercussions.

#2265444 Current standings

Posted by LeftWinger on 01 March 2012 - 02:19 PM


#2265224 Johan Franzen Depreciation

Posted by LeftWinger on 29 February 2012 - 08:59 PM

I'm glad you missed the entire point of the whole "signing Hossa or Franzen" aspect of my post.

The entire point was because of his shoulder injury, he was GUARANTEED to miss half the season due to rehab. Franzen wasn't.

Hossa's "other attributes" did not do much to help Detroit in the post season. That is an issue despite the fact he was able to score 40 goals.

His best year happened to be alongside arguably the best center today. He hasn't replicated that performance, or even come close since.

Also, Franzen signed before the season ended, while Hossa took longer to negotiate a contract. Holland wasn't about to risk losing BOTH Franzen and Hossa by waiting on a deal for him.

Finally, the "one year rental" aspect, if you bothered to bring it into context, makes the point of Holland being loyal to players he drafted and included in the system. Hossa came by for one year, and Franzen worked his ass off to make it to the top line. Did anyone expect him to start floating? Absolutely not.

Point being, the entire point was that Hossa was not an easy choice, and if not for the Hudler debacle, Hossa AND Franzen could have been signed.

Funny how people forget that.

Not me! This is one of the reasons I f'ing hate Hudler...

#2265211 Lidstrom to win Norris trophy?

Posted by LeftWinger on 29 February 2012 - 08:23 PM

Lidstrom hasn't even been the best defenseman on our team, IMO, let alone the entire league. I don't know if he would win the Norris even if he was playing hockey ala lidstrom 2002, though. I feel like there are too many influential people who see Lids as inferior to Orr and have to justify that by not voting for his tying Norris trophy. It doesn't matter either way, though.

This to a "T"

They will never vote Lidstrom an 8th trophy just because that would mean that people would have to admit that Lidstrom is just as good as or even better than Orr ever was. So by that fact alone, Lids will retire with 7 Norris Trophies.

On that note, if I am making a team and picking players from their prime, Lidstrom gets picked before Orr...

#2264293 Post-TDT: Red Wings stand pat, no additions

Posted by LeftWinger on 27 February 2012 - 07:33 PM

This year the finals will be Canucks/Rangers with the Canucks finally winning the Stanley Cup. You can take that to the bank.

Better them than the Rangers, if New York won it, we'd never hear the end of "America's Team!" "Won it for the 9/11 victims!" "Best team to ever play in the United States!" etc.....

#2264283 Post-TDT: Red Wings stand pat, no additions

Posted by LeftWinger on 27 February 2012 - 07:16 PM

What the hell did St. Louis acquire today that suddenly makes them better than the Red Wings?

Nothing, but they are coming fast as is Nashville...Detroit slumping at home, Datsyuk out, defensemen hurt, horrible road team, unmotivated forwards in the top 6. There is no doubt, St. Louis will pass us up.

#2264276 Defenceman Hurt

Posted by LeftWinger on 27 February 2012 - 07:04 PM

Lids, Quincey out Commie traded, guess we'll see how deep our d is(n't)

Nice deadline day Holland!

#2264268 Columbus GM Reveals Nash Demanded Trade

Posted by LeftWinger on 27 February 2012 - 06:46 PM

Gee, I wonder how Wisniewski feels now about signing in Columbus...drama, drama, drama