This isn't really up to Holland. Lidstrom is in the drivers seat and if he demands 6+, then he isn't really all that interested in another Cup. That's all I'm saying. And there has been a decline in play. And there is no reason to believe the decline won't continue.
We can dicker all day long about what he deserves and in the end, we would probably be close. But based on what I've heard, he would come back for another chance at a Cup. If that's what he truly wants, signing for 6+ won't really go very far in helping his cause. Demanding 6+ will show, to me anyway, that he comes back more for money than for a chance to win another Cup. And, yes, that will tarnish him a bit in my eyes.
funny how most of us agree, but I am still getting negatives on my original post. Oh well, must have been the Hurdler comments. Listen, just cause he wears the winged wheel doesn't mean I have to like him, you will all need a scapegoat next year and Happy is gonna be the guy, just watch. he'll make his awesome defensive plays every game next season and you will all wonder no longer why he couldn't even make the National Team...
Nice to see all the same sentiments here. Lidstrom know this team needs major improvement in order to compete for the Cup. He needs to step up, tell Holland he'll take the $3M paycut in order to get the right players here to compete for one more Cup before he retires. If He asks for $7M, I personally think that eats up WAY too much salary cap and would rather see him go and throw $4M a piece at Mitchell and Derek Morris. Listen, life will go on with Lidstrom. He is old and showing his human side. Sure he is still may be a top 10 defensman in the league, but I would rather better this teams chances winning again, than just being able to watch Nick play again and lose in the first round or maybe not make the playoffs...
if it's more than $4.5 million this team is fudged. If I know how Holland works (and we've already established that ) He will give Lidstrom $7M, both Bertuzzi and Holmstrom $3M erasing our entire cap space...
Bertuzzi & Holmstrom $1.5 each...
Nothing more, this team needs to get better via Free Agency, NOT waste all the cap space on the same team that sucked last season. Oh wait, we got Hudler back What a waste of $2.8M that is! Little focker couldn't even make his National team for his homeland in the Olympics, WTF is he gonna do here? NOTHING! TRADE HIM!
I like the idea of Owen Nolan on the 3rd line.Bertuzzi isn't a 3d line player imo and with Cleary or Hudler probably alternating 2nd/3rd line spots,it looks like Bert would be on the 3rd line.Imo he's nowhere near gritty enough and Nolan would be awesome.I think Sheldon Brookbank would be a good cheap option for Ericssons partner.He hits,fights,blocks shots,plays well defensively,and I can't imagine he would cost more than 1 million.He's my first choice.
Ya, Mitchell would a *** bit expensive considering he made $3.5 last season. Derek Morris is another option, but he made $3.3. I agree that they will prolly (if not re-sign Lilja) go for a $1M to $1.5M defender to play on the third pairing, not unless they are going to give the jobs to Kindl and Smith...
I wish the best of luck to the prick, I mean Yzerman (yes in person he is a snooty prick.) but no way Bettman influenced his decision unless there was some money under the table for Steve. Hell he has $21M (even before the cap goes up) and some of the best players in the league Stamkos/St. Louis/Hedman. Give Yzerman $23M and he could build a nice team. He is prolly gonna offer Maltby a contract, like him or not, he has playoff veteran experience and 4 Stanley Cup rings. But with still over $22M available he could draw in some nice players. He needs a backup goalie (Legace) and he has lots of $1m-$3M talent available to choose from. Would it be possible to ****** Lidstrom? :yikes:
simple, just tell Lids, here's 5 years at $4.5M per. That way he can still be our #1 defenseman and then maybe wind up #4 by time the contract is up. By then Dylan McIlrath will be up here and Rafaski will be gone.
(notice I left out Kindl, I have a feeling he is gonna be middle of the road and not be around to long.)
Marleau? Jesus H Christ. Marleau is a perenial playoff choker. He had 1 decent playoff and it was only 2 rounds. His team got swept in the 3rd round. 1 decent playoff does not make up for 5 or 6 terrible ones. Remeber that Hossa guy? 2 goals in 16 games this year...
Marleau makes 6.3 Million now... keep dreaming...
I say steal Andrew Ladd out of Chicago and/or Hjalmarsson. Sign Willie Mitchell,maybe throw some cash at Owen Nolan to try to bring in that "win it for the veteren" attitude. Lombardi, Torres, maybe Craig Conroy he's another one of the veteran players who are yearning for the Cup. One of my favs from last off season Malhotra could be a cheap veteran signing. I believe any of these guys could change the makeup a little of this team and maybe give them a little bit of an edge in the playoffs... Of course you'd have to be careful how much cash you throw at the RFA's. Let's say they sign one forward and one defenseman, definately go for Mitchell and then any of the UFA's I listed would be super on a third or fourth line. Cheap too!
You specifically aimed your comments at the "small skilled euros" that Holland has been drafting. This thread is discussing the 1st round pick. Holland has targeted North Americans with the Wings first selection in the past 4 years. A pretty decent sample group.
This is what you said:
Pretty harsh don't you think? I'm with you as far as McIlrath goes. I'd be surprised if Holland takes him. But if you want to criticize Holland's drafting skills (which you're more than entitled too) maybe you should have made a less pointed initial statement.
The Latendresse reference? The Wings passed up on a "skilled" semi-soft, poor skating, defensively incompetent player from the Q. Guess who they took instead? Abdlekader. A physical two-way forward from Michigan. Holland doesn't always draft for skill.
They also took Kindl before that. The "experts" were talking about Latendresse even before Kindl was drafted.
Yea you did get destroyed, what you said just turned back on you completely by facts, what are you 8? You just whipped up a bunch of crap making it seem like holland likes picking ''small skilled euros'' Holland goes after talent, hes not ging to go after someone because they are euro, if they are good he takes them. In the last 4 years none of the players were euros, and you said we are on drugs to think he will pick someone who isnt euro.
Also your post was full of negativity towards the euro players, you said we will all be wishing yzerman was our GM, and also said that we will get a euro that doesnt develop into an NHL caliber player.....
So its not that were singling out anything, but 4 years in a row holland picked non euros, and you made it sound like the world would have to end for holland to pick a north American
Well, if Holland gets a shot at McIlrath and actually drafts him, then order your Lions Super Bowl tickets, because that will be a miracle. I said noting negative towards European players, show me something that cuts them down in my statement. Look over the past, that is what happens with the players he chooses to draft (and mostly the first rounders or first pick he has.) They spend years in the minors, only to be given a shot when they have no eligibility left OR they go home because they are tired of waiting OR they never develop into NHL caliber players. I can give you examples of all three, Kindl, Liv & Butsayev. Thank you, good night. If this makes you feel better, tons of North AMerican players fall into those spots as well, I supposed its merely ironic that they are all 6' or less and weigh less than 200lbs. as well. Small, skilled players is what he drafts, in the mold of European players. Last season is showing you that drafting small skilled players is catching up to him and biting him in the ass.
Plus I said we'd all be wishing Holland had retired, I never said we'd be wishing Yzerman was our GM.
Just to prove to you, here are the players that you said destroyed me:
Landon Ferraro 6'0" 171lbs. McCollum doesn't count, he's a goaltender Brenden Smith 6'2" 174lbs. Corey Emmerton 6'0" 190lbs.
Small, skilled players.... Emmerton aint gonna make it. Smith will be there until he has no options left, so will McCollum and Ferraro. But hey, I bet Tartar makes it up here sooner than any of them...
Hold on a minute! Is that what Holland would say? You know if your were a fan prior to the European invasion or dont think Hudler is top 6 league wide and that he will bring us back to Stanley Cup Nirvana (becasue he is the reason we won the Cup in 2008, you know) you know nothing about the Wings and how they operate and should give evereyone tons of negatives!
You dont make much sense, hollands been great, what if he didnt go for the skilled euros that helped us win cups?
Leftwinger just got absolutely destroyed, especially because of how strong minded he was about hollands picking decisions.... LOL
Ya, I got destroyed, what are you 12? I can pick out exemtpions as well, let slook at his history of drafts: Butsayev, Fischer, Tosla, Kronwall, Grigorenko, hudler, Howard, Franzen, Kindl, Emmerton, Smith, McCollum, Ferraro.
Ya, thats picking someone like McIlrath if available. The last time we had a pick even near #20. he picked Kindl, who is ONLY gettign a shot becasue he has no AHL options left (how many of you again would have rather had Latendresse?)
Listen I said nothing about the skille European's being bad,I just said that qwhat Holland likes to draft, and even looking over the North AMerican players taken first recently, he likes small skilled North American's too, good on him, but that just is a even bigger indication that if McIlrath is there, he probably won't take him, I hope he does, but his history shows, that is not his type of player. If you can find where I said anything anti-Euorpean in my statement I will gladly edit it out.
Sorry to burst your Hudler-hate bubble, but the head coach of the team already has stated Hudler will play top six minutes next season. You are no different -- in fact, actually worse -- than the Hudler "slappies" with your extreme hatred of Hudler. Beyond the big three, Hudler is the most talented offensive threat on the team now.
Oh,I am sure he will be given his shot on the top 2 lines throughout the year, but he will not become a staple there. Hudler will be Hudler and that's it. He may put in 20 goals, but he will lose every battle in the corner and be our biggest defensive liability.
I have been following this team for over 20 years and you've just proven you know nowhere NEAR the same about them as me...
besides, I know nothing about you so yes I do know about them than I know about you (try using some English that makes sense...)
Over twenty years? Wow! I guess I will take my thirty plus years and run away with my tail between my legs, do you even remember the team before there was a Lidstrom? Because I certainly remember the pre-Yzerman/Joe Louis Arena days...
All I am saying is if Holland makes no changes but to add Hudler and re-sign our own RFA/UFA, this team will look like s*** and if he give Lids a penny above $4.5M, this team will have no room for trade deadline additions or even call up from GRR help...