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#2396819 Abdelkader suspended 2 games for hit on Lydman

Posted by LeftWinger on 05 May 2013 - 01:52 PM

IMHO, the only hit to the head that should EVER be deemed targeting is an elbow to the head. 99% of the time if you lead with your elbow and nail the guy in the side of the head, it was on purpose.  Anytime a shoulder is thrown into and towards the body and it just so happens that the head was hit, that should not be a penalty, just an unfortunate accident as a result of a hard, fast Hockey play...99% of the time when the shoulder leads the hit and the head is hit, it is not on purpose and the head was not targeted.  If you are leading with your shoulder you intend to hit the player with a body check, if you lead with your elbow, you are looking to injure the player...

 

That is just my opinion when trying to read the intent of a play...




#2396797 Abdelkader suspended 2 games for hit on Lydman

Posted by LeftWinger on 05 May 2013 - 01:12 PM

We can debate this all day and that is what makes this forum so awesome. I just hope that Shanahan sees it the way most of us do as no jumping into the player and no principle contact to the head.  It all happens so fast that anyone could form either opinion and could point out tons of reasons to justify it.  But I still have to go with the ref closest to the play. Abby stopped skating before the hit, left his feet WITH the hit, principle point of contact was shoulder then momentum into the head. The ref watched the entire play from start to finish. He deemed no penalty at all, but the ref 200 feet away said a 5:00 charge and a game misconduct. I could see if the guy right there said 2:00 for charging, but he said 0:00.  I just hope he expresses his opinion to Shanahan when asked about it. I believe there should be no suspension, but would not be surprised at all, if the NHL does suspend him and then of course Lydman will be in game 4.




#2396785 Abdelkader suspended 2 games for hit on Lydman

Posted by LeftWinger on 05 May 2013 - 01:02 PM

I took a screenshot at 57 seconds at what is the point of contact of the hit:

 

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Two things are clear, #1 he is leaving his feet at the time of contact, not because of the contact, and #2 that initial contact is not shoulder to shoulder, or elbow to shoulder, but shoulder to head.

 

We just see two different things...point of contact was shoulder. Left his feet with the hit, not before, which means he didn't leap into him. You have your opinion, and I respect it, but I disagree with it. Plus your circled a foot off the ice, where the other foot? On the ice...no jump.




#2396770 Abdelkader suspended 2 games for hit on Lydman

Posted by LeftWinger on 05 May 2013 - 12:49 PM

 

Actually its not, if its decided that the person left their feet on their own, not as part of the momentum of the hit itself, its a charge. From all the angles I have seen it appears that Abdelkader left his feet on his own in order to make the hit harder, which has been called by the NHL a charge in the past. Also,  the angles I have seen show that the head was hit, if not first in isolation, it was still hit first along with Lydman's shoulder. The point is, had Abdelkader STAYED on his feet and not left them, this would have been a 100% legal hit, shoulder to shoulder, and there would have been no 5 mins penalty,and  no discussion of suspension, but, this is par for the course for Abdelkader, he takes stupid penalties in the playoffs.

 

As for Kronwall, I thought he was ejected in 2009 for a high hit. 

 

I do not know what angles you are watching....Abby left his feet with the hit, elbow hit the shoulder first, then head. Not a penalty. Not a charge.

 

BTW, Kronwall's hit in Chicago was deemed a penalty because it was said Havlat didn't play the puck and the ensuing hit resulted in injury.  Yet every replay shows Havlat play the puck with his foot and even the hit wasn't illegal.  Another blown call from the refs as proven by the fact that Kronwall suffered no further discipline for the hit.




#2396768 Abdelkader suspended 2 games for hit on Lydman

Posted by LeftWinger on 05 May 2013 - 12:43 PM

You guys need to watch the entire replay and not just a clip.  There was no "charging" Abby was gliding into the hit, the principle point of contact was elbow to shoulder and the momentum of the hit followed thru to the head... again, head was not principle point of contact. Abby left his feet with the hit, much like Kronwall did 100% of the time (when he used to hit) and 95% of his hits are deemed clean.  For those of you who think there wasn't a call on the ice, watch the video, when the camera follows the play down the ice, the ref in the Ducks zone, WAY in the ducks zone, has his arm up with the call. The guy 2 feet away watched the entire play transpire and watched Lydman fall to the ice and never had ANY intent of calling a penalty, because it was not a penalty, was not a charge, was not a principle hit to the head where the head is targeted...

 

I said it in the GDT, if this hit gets a suspension the there is something seriously wrong with the NHL.  He already served enough unwarranted penalty time. 5:00 and a game is suspension enough for a completely LEGAL hit and blown call by the ref 200 feet away. Also like I said, if you are looking for a play that has more intent on injuring someone you have to look at the Souray hit on Abby in game two and even Perry's careless use of his skate in game one. Those two plays there were way more severe when it comes to careless hits and intent to injury than Abby's hit last night...

 

 

 




#2396761 Impressed with our young core..

Posted by LeftWinger on 05 May 2013 - 12:29 PM

Not true. Hank and Pasha were good from the get go. Read all of Hull's quotes. They were on the 3rd line is all. People knew these guys were future all stars back then.

 

You are absolutely correct.  Pav was already undressing opposing players as a rookie, as evidence by this clip where he undresses Adam Foote...

 

 

 

...He was doing things like this and was a big reason why Boyd the Void had 9 goals and 25 points that year, which in todays NHL would net him a $5M contract!

 

Also most if not all NHL analysts and "experts" talk a lot about how Henrik Zetterberg was the only NON-NHL player to be on Team Sweden's roster for the Olympics and how he fit right in with the rest of the NHL players. Also, Zetterberg was runner up to the Calder trophy with 44 points his rookie season.  I know the comparison's are for those two and Stevie and Sergei, but folks are also calling Tatar and Nyquist the next Hank and Pav... Those two may be the next eventual leaders of this team, but in the same respect that Hank and Pav were nowhere near the next Steve and Sergei, neither Tatar or Nyquist are the talent Hank and Pav were when they came into the NHL...no disrespect to any of the players...3 sets of players, 3 different NHL era's....

 

You knew Steve was a star in his rookie season....you knew Sergei was a star in his rookie season...you knew Pav was a star, and you knew Hank was a star...next year should be the official rookie season for both Nyquist and Tatar, we will see.

 

Another thing to consider, none of Yzerman, Fedorov, Zetterberg or Datsyuk spent ANY time in the AHL before the started in the NHL. They were stars when they arrived here. I know the organization was different when Steve and Sergei were brought here, but Holland was in charge when Pav and Z were brought here and they didn't spend one minute in the AHL.  Nyquist and Tatar are talented and seem like they will be great players one day, but the super star quality that Hank and Pav had just isn't there with Nyquist and Tatar...




#2396749 WCQF Game 3 GDT - Ducks 4 @ Red Wings 0 (ANA leads series 2-1)

Posted by LeftWinger on 05 May 2013 - 12:12 PM

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#1 principal point of contact was the head, he got body too, but shoulder first went into the head. Rule 48

 

#2 He left his feet on the hit, that's also against the rules, and according to rule 42 that makes it a charge

 

So this is just another case of Abdelkader being a bonehead, and making a stupid play in the playoffs that costs the Wings a game.

 

Find the other angle of the hit, principle point of contact was shoulder then into the head with momentum...he glided into the body, left his feet when he hit him....it was not a charge, it was not a hit to the head on the principle point of contact. If it were the ref standing right there would have called the penalty. He seen the hit up close, he wasn't looking the other way he was looking right at it and watched the guy fall to the ice...

 

I know folks are trying to not sound like homers, but you aren't if you are defending the hit...it was not a penalty when the ref looked right at it and deemed it wasn't, it should not be suspension worthy...if it is, then something is terribly wrong with the NHL.  The hit that Souray put on Abby in game 2, cross check from behind, head into the boards was far FAR worse than Abby's hit and he only got a two minute penalty...if you were looking to find a hit that deserved 5:00 of penalty time, that would the one over the Abby hit...as a matter of fact Perry's careless use f his skate against Howards head was a worse disregard for another player than a clean open ice hit...

 

I am not defending the hit and saying that is why they lost.  Hit or not, penalty or not, the Wings didn't show up to play and that is why they lost...and two goals that Howard NEEDED to make, but that crap happens too...



 

 

Even these announcers say "It looks like his elbow rolls off his shoulder and then into the head..." Exactly what the ref standing right there saw... Don't know how the REF 200 feet away sees it better than the ref right there to make a call. No Penalty. Period. Not now, not ever...




#2396683 WCQF Game 3 GDT - Ducks 4 @ Red Wings 0 (ANA leads series 2-1)

Posted by LeftWinger on 05 May 2013 - 09:11 AM

1. Abby hit WAS NOT a penalty, not now, not then, not in 1935. The Ref was standing two feet from the hit, watching the play with his own two eyes. The Duck had the puck, Ref's attention was not elsewhere.  He watched the guy fall to the ice. He saw it was shoulder on shoulder hit, he saw that Abby was gliding and not "charging" towards him....bulls*** call from a ref 200 feet away and it will be bulls*** if he should get suspended....

 

B. Yes, Howard got us to the playoffs, Yes, Howard is a top 10 goalie in this league, Yes, he deserves the contract (I don't like the length) he got...BUT he totally s*** the bed on the 3rd and 4th goals...that being said, even the Elite of all Elite goalies give up a bad goal or two in a game once in awhile...(Game 7 2002, Patty Boy Roy.)

 

3. With that being said, you still have to score goals to win. So what you got a bad call against you (they only scored once.)  So what a ROOKIE made a mistake and cost the shorthanded goal...So what.  You don't lay down and let them roll over you.  You had over 5 mins in PP time in the first, including a 5 on 3...Stop pussyfooting the passing and shoot the puck and you may score some goals.  You killed off their 5 on 3, most of the 5 min major and was matching their physical play.  This reminds me of 2007.  One PP goal in game 6, ONE, and the Wings win that series...

 

D. There is no D....just win.  This team is good enough to beat the Ducks, but not playing like they did yesterday. You have to score goals to win. Just ask Curtis Joseph...




#2395565 Impressed with our young core..

Posted by LeftWinger on 04 May 2013 - 12:17 PM

 

there was a time when no one had any idea that hank and pav were the next sergei and stevie. just gotta put the prospects in the best position to grow into players like that. unless you have a top 10 pick, the player often comes out of nowhere. and i think we do have players that can grow into legit 1st liners. to me, thats the most frustrating part about holland signing guys like bertuzzi and sammy. every roster spot they take up is one less that can be used for a young guy to get some playing time. 'luckily' we had so many injuries this year that many of the young guys did get to play. the more experience we can get our young players while our stars are still around, the more they will learn.

While I  understand the point you are making when it comes to players leading this team, but with all due respect, Hank and Pav are far from the next Sergei and Steve....If they were, we'd have more than 1 Stanley Cup in the last 10 years...but again, I undertand the point you are trying make....




#2393112 WCQF Game 1 GDT : Red Wings 1, at Ducks 3. (Anaheim leads, 1-0)

Posted by LeftWinger on 01 May 2013 - 12:10 AM

No energy tonight...reminded me of the February/March Red Wings...Can't win with only one line trying...

 

BTW, 2nd goal was a soft one for Jimmy's standards, Hiller outplayed him when it came to timely saves...

 

Got a feeling we are going to see Bert in game 2...Playoff Franzen did not show up tonight...Filpulla does NOT deserve $5M. Bottom 6 looked bad...Quncey and Kindl looked bad as well...

 

All in all, bad game played by most the team...aint gonna win one playing like that crap and taking dumbass penalties...




#2391972 Pasha's Legacy

Posted by LeftWinger on 30 April 2013 - 06:10 AM

I've thought about this for some time, and it may be controversial.  IF this may be the last year we have Pavel, we should not hold it against  him.  His jersey should be in the rafters.  He would be one of the greats in any era.  22 straight years wouldn't be possible without him.  

 

 

Kentucky born, parents from Detroit.  Go Wings.

 

If Datsyuk gets his jersey retired, then Fedorov is a no brainer.  Because we wouldn't be talking about 22 straight years, or even anywhere close to that if not for Fedorov...we also wouldn't be talking 3 Cups in 6 years without Fedorov...

 

I know this isn't a debate over Feds/Dats, but I love how folks (and no offense to the OP) bend over backwards to say how much Dats deserves his jersey in the rafters and its ok for him to want to go play somewhere he wants to enjoy his life outside of hockey, yet when it comes to Fedorov and how he is at or near the top of every statistical category for the Red Wings, has won a Hart Trophy and also wanted to go play somewhere he would enjoy his life outside of hockey better, he gets boo'd and shunned and doesn't deserve the same recognition....

 

I agree with your assessment of Datsyuk, don't get me wrong. I say put them both in the rafters, they have both earned it...but you cannot put Dats up without Feds...




#2391706 What does Babs do?

Posted by LeftWinger on 29 April 2013 - 11:25 AM

If I were babs, heres what I would do;

 

1. chew 4 packs of gum at once

2. glare at the ice until it melts and reforms

3. save a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to geico

 

4. Stay at a Holiday Inn Express the night before....




#2391704 WCQF: (7) Red Wings vs. (2) Ducks

Posted by LeftWinger on 29 April 2013 - 11:23 AM

 

tr!pod does :D I hope it is selanne or getzlaf first, then the whole team goes into sissy rage fits and gets thrown out and we demolish them :)

 

 

I can see pitts making the finals, the east seems a bit easier though, and if hwsnbn comes back they could be dangerous. I am feeling a cup final rematch, Det. Vs. Pitts for the cup

 

OoOoOoOoO The rubber match! I like it! I don't think I could take all the Pittsburgh knob-gobbling though....ugh....

 

I don't want to sound too much like a homer, but I am damn sure on their side until its over! So ya, Detroit in the Cup final is my prediction. Root for them until its over!




#2391683 WCQF: (7) Red Wings vs. (2) Ducks

Posted by LeftWinger on 29 April 2013 - 10:49 AM

 

I generally like these guys, but their reasoning about everything is so wack and slanted.

 

Do the Wings have the depth to do any serious damage? Can Franzen, Brunner, Filppula, et al. deliver?

 

Meanwhile, everyone on Chicago's third line is a bona fide threat.

 

*sigh*

 

Ya well, its not like they get paid for what they actually know.  They all picked either Chicago or Pittsburgh to win the Cup...uh, really? Let's just take the top two teams from the regular season and choose one....jack wagons.

 

I got an idea, lets take the top two teams and let them play for the Cup, since no other team has a chance or deserves any chance at Chicago or Pittsburgh.  At least EJ chose Detroit to beat Anaheim...but come on guys, lets get original. It's easy to pick Chicago or Pittsburgh.  I am saying it here and now and guarantee it....NEITHER Chicago NOR Pittsburgh will be in the Finals...




#2391677 ECQF - (6) NY Rangers vs. (3) Capitals

Posted by LeftWinger on 29 April 2013 - 10:38 AM

Caps.....nothing stinks more than the NHL Rangers.  To this day, I am so sick of the 1994 Cup being re-lived...hey NHL, how many teams since then ended 40+ year droughts? We get it, the Rangers won but they haven't had a sniff since...get over America's Team already...sheesh!