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#2536576 Training Camp Thread

Posted by Son of a Wing on 19 September 2014 - 09:43 AM

I used to walk in every year in training camp," Babcock reiterated Thursday on the eve of training camp, "and tell them the tie goes to the veteran."

Not anymore.

"Ties goes to the best player," Babcock said. "If you're ready to play, we got a young group, you're playing. We'll find a way to do that."


Actions speak louder than words Babs...

#2536363 2014 Prospects Tournament and Training Camp (Sept. 12-23)

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 September 2014 - 06:09 PM

I hope we can see some highlights of the 3rd game.


#2536361 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 September 2014 - 06:03 PM

Can't we all just be happy for once? Everyone's under contract! YAY!



#2536299 Nice article on Mantha

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 September 2014 - 01:03 PM

Soooo apparently if Mantha plays less than 10 NHL games, his entry-level deal doesn't even start until next year...






If a player aged 18 or 19 signs an entry-level contract with a club (with his age calculated on Sept. 15 of the year he signed the contract) but does not play in at least 10 NHL games, the contract will "slide" or be extended one year. The extension does not apply if the player turns 20 between Sept. 16 and Dec. 31 in the year he signed the contract.
Depending on the contract's structure, the player's cap hit can be affected either by an increase or a decrease. Players who sign at age 18 can have their contract extended (or "slide") two seasons.
CBA reference: Section 9.1 (d) (P. 23-24)


That's quite the loophole...

#2536213 Official $25 BUY-IN Fantasy Hockey League Sign-Up is CLOSED

Posted by Son of a Wing on 15 September 2014 - 12:44 AM

I highly recommend Matt's LGW Fantasy buy-in league.

I had an absolute blast in my first year last year and happened to claim my first championship.

I look forward to defending it to any LGWers looking to challenge. Hope to see some of you there!

#2536083 Nice article on Mantha

Posted by Son of a Wing on 12 September 2014 - 04:01 PM

They said Helm is going to play on Datsyuk's wing. They havent confirmed where Zetts is playing yet as far as I know. Whether that's center or wing probably depends on Weiss. Its all speculation at this point.

I personally wouldn't mind seeing Dats, Zetts, Weiss and Sheahan down the middle. You could roll 4 lines pretty comfortably and spread out the scoring.

#2535977 Rule Changes for 2014-2015 Season

Posted by Son of a Wing on 11 September 2014 - 02:45 PM

I don't really get the elimination of the 'Spin-O-Rama' move...


They're obviously keeping the shootout for entertainment purposes but getting rid of one of the more entertaining moves?


Is it gimmicky? Yes. But so is the whole concept of a shootout to decide a hockey game.

#2535939 Ericsson and Alfredsson not 100%

Posted by Son of a Wing on 11 September 2014 - 10:00 AM

WTF is wrong with some people? Do you actually try to find the negative in everything just so you have something to ***** about? Ericsson stated that he will be ready to go for the first game of the season and this Alfredsson situation has been well known for months now. He is 41 years old and it has been stated numerous times that management would be happy to have him back if he decides he is healthy, even if he can only play 60-65 games. But all of a sudden the sky is falling. I swear some of you lie awake at night, hoping and preying a Red Wing gets injured just so you can say "I told you so".... Pathetic...


Best just to stay out of these threads krsmith17.  It's not worth it...

#2535926 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by Son of a Wing on 11 September 2014 - 08:14 AM

I'm going to laugh and laugh and laugh if Tatar signs a more "team friendly" deal than Dekeyser.  Everybody is overly worried about Tatar, but the local guy isn't signed either.  What if he's the one with the "ego problem" or whatever else is being suggested  about Tatar?  People act like Tatar is some kind of bad seed because he's trying to get the best deal he can.  But clearly Dekeyser is doing the same thing and everyone is mum. 


Truth is, neither are currently signed because their value is really hard to determine.  They've both played better than your average rookie but don't have a track record.  As such, it's hard for both management, and their agents, to figure out what their proper value is.  So it takes time. 

Scrolling back through this thread makes me chuckle.  How funny would it be if Dekeyser was the one who played hardball and not Tatar.  Ya know, after a lot of folks made Tatar out to be some ego maniac who was just biding his time before holding the team over the coals. 

I think it's interesting that everyone is blaming KH for this deal not being done, but if it were Tatar instead of Dekeyser we'd be inundated with comments about how Tats is an egomaniac who puts himself before the team.  Double standard much?


Dekeyser has only played 72 professional hockey games.  Whatever he and his agent are asking based on his modest point production and ice time is almost certainly too much.  But god forbid anybody call them out, because he's from Michigan.


We get it Kip...

#2535750 Nice article on Mantha

Posted by Son of a Wing on 08 September 2014 - 01:14 PM

In terms of his birthday...yes, if he was born 1 month earlier, he would have just finished his 4th full year in junior.  He turned 18 before his 50 goal season even began (so it wasn't 50 goals as a 17/18 year old). 


I kinda feel like I'm putting the guy down now, which is not the intent...I'm simply suggesting that I wouldn't put much stock in his junior stats.


Going back to his birthdate and other comments around size...I'd probably even those two out.  I agree that it takes a bit longer for a guy his size to develop, so being close to 1 year older than a lot in his draft year may not be as big of a deal.  However, one could look at his size and suggest it is easier for him to dominate against guys that are much smaller at 17 and 18 years old....but it likely won't help when he makes the jump to the next level.


No I don't think you're putting him down.  Just hesitant to classify him as a budding star.  And that's completely fair considering he's just coming out of junior.


A lot of factors will go into the development of this kid... can't wait to see the result.

#2535742 Detroit offers D Raphael Diaz tryout

Posted by Son of a Wing on 08 September 2014 - 12:33 PM

I'm just gonna assume given the Wings recent history none of them make the team. If they do over Kindl and Lashoff, I will give them credit.


I don't expect any of them to make the team out of camp either.  They will give both Kindl and Lashoff an opportunity to be in the top 6 throughout the first 10-20 games.


That's the Red Wing way and I fully expect that.  The only way that changes is if someone truly surpasses expectations and blows them out of the water or severely underperforms.


They've made large personal and financial commitments to their roster players and they're going to give them more than a fair shot. 


If they blow it, then fine.  But they'll get their fair shot.

#2535739 Detroit offers D Raphael Diaz tryout

Posted by Son of a Wing on 08 September 2014 - 12:20 PM

I'm speaking specifically about this season on defense. However, the only reason the forwards even got a shot was due to injuries. I don't care about losing out on Diaz if it means Marchenko or Ouellet gets the spot instead. If the Wings are just going to roll with Kindl and Lashoff again, then I don't really know what the plan is on defense. It's not really necessarily rushing anyone -- Ouellet or Marchenko could easily hold their own already on the third pairing.


Then how can they "be incorporated quicker" if this season hasn't even started yet.  


The defence will get worked in this year.  If they don't at all, then I'll probably upset as well. 


It just seems a lot of people are jumping the gun on things that haven't even happened yet...

#2535736 Detroit offers D Raphael Diaz tryout

Posted by Son of a Wing on 08 September 2014 - 11:49 AM

All on defense too, which is a huge weakness. Yeah, the Wings have quality d-men prospects lingering but they need to be incorporating them quicker or actually hit on signing free agent d-men. Or get creative and use the abundance of prospects to obtain defense help in a trade. Datsyuk and Zetterberg are aging superstars. As much as I like our prospect pool, it's a stretch (or at least unknown) if any turn out to be as good or even comparable to the twins. Either rebuild entirely or go all-in to compete while there is still a window with Pav and Z. Stuck in mediocrity with no sense of direction isn't the place to be.


Incorporate them quicker?  How many rookies could we afford to have in the line-up last season? 


You don't rush goalies and you don't rush defensemen.  Quincey's a stopgap.  He may not have not been the best guy on the market but at least he stays healthy, can log minutes and isn't signed for 7 years.


*Washes hands and mouth with soap after speaking well of Quincey.

#2535731 Nice article on Mantha

Posted by Son of a Wing on 08 September 2014 - 11:26 AM

I'm cautiously excited about Mantha...however, I don't put much stock at all in his 120 points in the QMJHL.  I am a bit excited though as the production didn't completely come out of nowhere...he was seen to have enough ability to be drafted at 20th overall.


In terms of Junior stats though, I almost always ignore them unless they are put up by someone in their first couple years in junior and are clearly leading the pack (e.g. Crosby, Lindros, etc.).  If you have a look at Daigle as an example....I think most think he put up huge stats, blew everyone out of the water, was drafted 1st overall and was a bust.  In reality, he never lead the league in scoring in Junior (was never top 2).  He probably went 1st overall though and came with a lot of hype because he put up very high scoring stats as a 2nd year player (even though not leading the league).


If you go back and look at scoring stats in junior, most leading scorers are guys in their 3rd and 4th years and most of those guys don't go on to have spectacular NHL careers.......so I really look for the ones that are putting up huge stats early in junior or I most ignore the stats (which is tough to do).


You make some great points and hit the nail on the head in terms of how elite players usually excel in the CHL right from years 1-2.


What I think you're forgetting (or just not mentioning) is how rare it is for a player of his size to do it.


A lot of the players who put up a lot of points in their later years are quite often undersized players who eventually learn how to be more effective.


Their success just doesn't translate as well once they hit pro and play against men.

He was only in his second season when he put up 50 goals, and in his third season he led the league in goals and points.


Doesn't he have a really late birthday though?  I remember in his draft year he was almost a full year older than most other high draft picks.


It can make a big difference at that age.

#2535719 Detroit offers D Raphael Diaz tryout

Posted by Son of a Wing on 08 September 2014 - 10:21 AM

I think that has more to do with the fact he will have way more opportunities and a lot better chance of making an NHL roster.  


Absolutely.  It's about getting a job.  Plain and simple.


I would think that would be clear as day...but judging by the comments above, I'm obviously mistaken.