Maybe this finally gets the media to rethink their behaviour. It's no wonder that player don't want to play under that constant microscope or in a city where they can't order anything I'd they don't speak French. Winnipeg is a but surprising to me small town with a family feeling and an almost packed ring every time. Also some of the comments are disgusting and these fans are wondering why nobody wants to play there..lol
Maybe treating the players with class and having respect for their privacy would be a nice start? I mean if both teams were equally bad I'd still rather play for a team like the Ducks - coming from someone who lives as cold as possible winners! - with no media instead of the 24/7 going shows Toronto and Montreal..who wouldn't.
The media in TO is definitely brutal, they definitely make it harder on the team. I remember when Reimer was talking about how is wife was getting hateful tweets from fans. Just horrible.
Are you seriously criticizing people in Montreal for speaking french? Do you think that french Canadian players shouldn't play in Detroit because they have to speak English? Have you ever been to Montreal? You can get by speaking English.
Like I said both players (Z and Pasha) should be honored in some form but rafters alongside such alltime greats may be pushing it, which really isn't a knock against either one the bar is so incredible high - as it should be - I really believe it will be a long time till we see someone getting this honor again.
Datsyuk's accomplishments as a Wing: (to date)
- 13 Years as a Wing
- 4 All Star Games
- 2 Stanley Cups
- 4 Lady Byng's
- 3 Selke's
- 1 Plus/Minus award
- Highest Points total 97 (in 07/08 & 08/09) (Both years 4th in the league)
- 6th most points as a Wing all time with 846 Points
- The best forward on our team from 2004-Present (11 years!)
- Not to mention quite possibly the most gifted player of all time when it comes to the things he can do with the puck
Osgood won the Cup as a starter twice, ten years apart, under two different coaches, systems, and teams (with totally different core players). The "we could have won with anybody" argument doesn't hold water because it makes it seem like he just got that one right in the middle of a dynasty, and then never did s*** again. Fun fact, he outplayed Dominik Hasek to get his second Cup.
Osgood was a system goalie only if you mean that regardless of the system, time, players, and coach, he was perfect for the system he was in.
But I'm happy that GMRwings brought this up. Because it's a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The only arguments against Osgood are dumb ones.
Get off your pony. I didn't say he sucked. I just don't think his number belongs up there with the other players the Wings have in the rafters. Most posters here and most knowledgeable hockey people would agree with me that Osgood isn't a Sawchuk or a Lindsey or a Lidstrom.
I also don't seem him being in the HHOF. Osgood is a very good goalie that will never be considered an elite goalie. He was never one of the two or three best goalies in the league. He never won the Vezina. Hell, I think he was only top 3 in Vezina voting once in his career. He is above most of his peers, but below the top echelon of his peers like Hasek, Roy, Brodeur and Belfour. Some would rank him below Cujo as well, despite the latter's lack of team accomplishments.
His numbers are impressive and reflect a great career, but much in the same way that Dave Andreychuk's numbers or Dino Ciccarelli's numbers reflect a great career. Yet, those guys are unable to crack the HHOF or be considered among the greatest forwards in league history. It's not just about numbers.
But hey, those are all dumb arguments, because kipwinger doesn't like them. Let's retire Ozzie number and proclaim him a top 10 all time goalie.
I get it, it's sacrilege to say anything bad about the best announcer EVAR!!!! because he's been in the booth forever. That doesn't change the fact that by the third period he sounds like you're sitting next to him in a bar. He's not as good as he used to be, and a lot of times he seems to fall into complaining about the refs and weak penalties, chuckling when the Wings get away with something he'd yell at the refs for, dropping a catch phrase, complaining about broken sticks, and waxing nostalgic about the good old days when you showed respect for another guy by "feeding him some lumber" when he was going to hit you. He's better between periods, but during the game I think he's slipping. If you disagree, or want to just say "It's Mickey and he's awesome and if you don't like it go piss up a rope," fine.
BTW, Madden was bad his last couple years, and Pat Summerall was the boozer in that duo.
Those are your words, not mine. But I must say, you have a knack for exaggeration.
So complaining about the refs and broken sticks, chuckling when the wings don't get called, using a catch phrase, and talking about past hockey? I'm starting to think you don't know what a drunk is, or at least what one sounds like.
Posted by rick zombo
on 10 February 2015 - 01:16 PM
That Mrazek kid is getting so overrated wow. Kid has 0 playoff experience and still needs to work on things and yet some people would prefer him as a number 1..
What's the rush send him back to the minors, let Mrazek work on his rebound control, over committing and once the off-season roles around see where he is at and decide whether to keep or trade the monster then or package Mrazek to improve the defense Thomas was the best goalie in the league back then and Rask already on the verge of becoming elite..
So that comparison is too much. Nabakov Niemi - I'm sure there better examples - would be close.
Just got back from the game. Tough to be a road fan for that one. We didn't have much life in the beginning and when Mrazek gave up that goal two minutes in, I thought "Crap, he's going to have one of THOSE kind of games isn't he?". He was having issues with the puck, the defense wasn't really helping much at all. We didn't show any signs of life till the third. Despite getting creamed by the Pens, I still had a pretty decent night at the game. The Pens fans gave me a lot of ribbing, but not mean spirited by any means. The guy behind my 7 year old was very vocal for the whole game and he bought my son an ice cream when the Pens made 4-0. I met a ton of Wings fans there and they were all cool. I guess that's how it is when you're a fan of the road team, anyone wearing the same color as you, is now your friend. lol The highlight of my night was the pregame warm up. We got right up to the glass and Luke Glendening slammed himself right into the glass and bumped into my son startling him and the look on his face was priceless. I think Luke did it on purpose too. So while it wasn't the outcome I was hoping for, it was still pretty fun. I rarely get to see the Wings up close (this is only my 6th game in 29 years of being a fan) so that's always a treat. Next game I go to though, I want to be at the Joe. Surround myself with some Wings fans for a change. lol
Posted by kipwinger
on 06 February 2015 - 01:13 PM
The only word I've seen associated with Stafford in the past few years is Lazy.
Now I don't watch a lot of Buffalo games, so I'm no expert on the guy.
But that doesn't sound like Abby. Who knows though....
Maybe he just needs a fresh start? Buy low? Could pay off.
Over the years I've watched him pretty regularly. Previously, I had a roommate from Buffalo for several years and watched most games with him. I was always impressed by Stafford's willingness to play in the dirty areas and his ability to physically stand up to bigger, tougher, players. Because I was familiar with him, once I heard he was on the block I began to pay attention to him again and my opinion hasn't changed. He's got Helm/Abby levels of production this year, and is the primary offensive threat on his line. As a third option (behind Pav and Tats) on a line, I think he'd excel. He's still in his prime and is definitely more offensively capable than Helm.
Nobody needs to agree or anything. I just think he'd help. Like I said, Pav's line is really good and all, but I worry that they're too one dimensional. I'd really like a guy on that line that can score in the crease. Stafford can, and wouldn't be too expensive.
I've finalized my list of preferred trade deadline acquisitions, and I don't think either would be expensive or unrealistic. I want Cody Franson and Drew Stafford. With those two pieces, we win the Stanley Cup.
What does Stafford add to the lineup? Doesn't seem like a big upgrade. Also not sure if there is enough playing time to go around once Franzen is back.
Posted by krsmith17
on 06 February 2015 - 08:46 AM
Richdg, are you serious? You actually think just because Holland and his staff picked Ouellet before Spoul in the draft 4 years ago, that they are higher on him now? Or that because he was drafted higher that he will be the better player? Everyone that follows Red Wings prospects knows that Ouellet and Marchenko are ahead of Sproul in their development, but they also know that Sproul has a much higher ceiling. The former two are two-way defenders, whereas Sproul is a pure offensive, puck moving, power-play quarterback defenseman, which as everyone knows, is a lot harder style to transition from junior to pro. Sproul is our best defense prospect by a landslide. Why are you debating that?
dirtydangles, although I do believe Pulkkinen will be a big time player in this league, it's going to take his skillset longer to adjust than a player like Athanasiou. Pulkkinen is undersized, and he needs time and space to use his number one asset; his shot. He will adjust to the speed of the NHL and he will figure things out, but there's no doubt that it's going to take a bit of time and patience... Athanasiou is big, lightning fast, has unbelievable hands, and has already adapted to the pro game. He was a top player in junior and will be a top player in the American League by this time next year, before eventually cracking the Red Wings lineup. There is absolutely nothing stopping this kid from being a top 2 center in the NHL in 4-5 years from now.
Why is it that our defense will develop as planned, but our centers may falter? It doesn't make any sense...
I'm going to ask both of you to rank our young talent? If you think any of our defense, other than DeKeyser, Smith and Sproul rank higher than Sheahan, Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco, Larkin, Mantha, Athanasiou or Pulkkinen, you're crazy. I would trade Ouellet, Jensen or Marchenko in any trade before any of those forwards (except they don't hold near as much value)... We are extremely deep up front and down the middle in the future. Our weakness is without a doubt, on the backend... Anyway, I'm done with this. I'm clearly not going to change your minds on this and that's quite okay. We'll just have to see how Holland and our scouts approach next years draft...
Posted by rick zombo
on 05 February 2015 - 03:08 PM
Two words Frank: SALARY CAP
Nah bro. You're wrong. Holland's lost his drive. Plain and simple. He doesn't give a crap about winning anymore. Not like he used to. That's why he won't trade Larkin or Mantha or Tatar or Jurco or Nyquist. He doesn't have the drive to trade those guys he personally drafted for a rental. He's getting soft.
Posted by rick zombo
on 05 February 2015 - 02:21 PM
Don't get me wrong, I don't want Holland to make a move just for the sake of making a move. But, at the same time, I'm really, really, really, really, really tired of "We kicked some tires, but the price wasn't right. I talked to every single GM about every single one of his top-four defensemen and in each and every case the asking price was Nyquist + Tatar + Mantha + Larkin + Datsyuk + Zetterberg + Jurco + Kronwall + a first-round pick + my first-born child. So, my hands are tied. But, y'know, we like our team. We think we've got real good depth, some real good young players. A guy like Marchenko, he's been real good for the Griffins, scored a goal the other night."