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#2532861 Alfie wants to play

Posted by krsmith17 on Today, 08:47 AM

The Detroit Red Wings have long had the philosophy that prospects need to be "ripe" before they make the jump to the National Hockey League. That means after getting drafted, our prospects spend around 3-5 years between junior or overseas and the AHL before finally getting their shot in the NHL. This has proven to be successful for many years now and I don't see them drastically changing that system any time soon.


I don't see there being much of a chance that Mantha makes the big club this season, despite how highly fans, media and management regard him, nor do I think Jurco will start the season in the NHL. I'm actually a fan of the Red Wing way, of over ripening players, and I like the idea of having a farm oozing with talent. Depth is probably the biggest key to a teams success in the league today, and because of our drafting, development and ripening methods, we are definitely stacked with depth in the minors.


There is a reason players like Nyquist and Tatar were able to jump into the NHL with little to no growing pains, while highly regarded players drafted by other teams get thrown in the fire too early and flame out due to not being ready, and having their confidence destroyed. I'm just as excited for all these kids as anyone but I think it would be a huge mistake to throw them in the best league in the world before they're fully ready, both physically and mentally. In my opinion, on the back end, Marchenko could be ready for full time duty in the NHL, other than that I think Backman, Ouellet, Sproul and Jensen can all use more seasoning in the AHL. Up front, Jurco is the closest to being ready, but could still use another season down in the minors, along with Pulkkinen, Mantha, Athanasiou, etc.


Anyway, point being, I don't think there is any harm in resigning a future hall-of-famer, veteran like Alfredsson, allowing all of our forward prospects another season in Grand Rapids to round out there game. Having these guys getting top line minutes and loads of PP time down in Grand Rapids, to me is a lot more beneficial than getting 3rd line minutes and no PP time up in Detroit.



As for our RFA's that are not waiver exempt, I don't think there is any chance whatsoever that any team picks up Nestrasil, with a slim chance a team takes a chance on Ferraro, although that may be even less likely now with uncle Tony now as the assistant coach. My only fear is that we lose Callahan. The kid is coming off a career year with the Griffins, is an absolute warrior and would be a great addition to any teams 4th line. I hope Holland doesn't give any team the chance to claim him. No he's not going to put up a lot of points but I think he would be a huge loss...

#2532266 Kane & Toews Sign Identical 8-year, $10.5M AAV Extensions

Posted by toby91_ca on 16 July 2014 - 02:42 PM

From what I have seen from some people talking about how the owners are stupid and just driving salaries up again and again and tying the cap to revenues creates a problem, etc......It might be you guys that don't fully understand how it works.  In terms of the cap and floor, I'd leave that to the owner's to figure out amongst themselves (I.e. some teams doing really well and some teams losing money....they need to figure out how to share revenues effectively).


At the player cost level, it really doesn't matter what contracts are signed, the players will always get 50% (or whatever the number is) of league revenues.  As an example, if everyone in the league signed a contract for $500,000 a year and league revenues came in at $3B...every player in the league would actually earn about $4.3M ($3B / 30 teams / 23 players per team).  The same is true if every player in the league signed for $10 million....they'd all be giving money back to the league (that is what the escrow system is meant to take care of).  A particular player's contracted salary is simply used as a measure against all other player contracts to determine how much of the pie (revenues allocated to players) that he gets.  I think this notation of salaries being driven up is a bit on the false side.


The bigger problem I have with these contracts though is that I would find it extremely difficult trying to argue why these 2 guys should be the highest paid players in the league.

#2532188 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Wingzman91 on 15 July 2014 - 06:15 PM

I make about one post a year and I have to waste it on this garbage....


BOOO, these reporters are reporting on the news and not on whatever their opinion might be, BOOO.

This is being played like politics and a perceived lack of interest in bashing management is being equated to condoning said moves.

These are not the same things, everyone is taking mental shortcuts to the conclusion and bypassing the idea that media SHOULD report ONLY the facts.


People are so quick to forget that because it is sports, it is journalism too, adding opinion taints that.


Let bloggers speculate, speculation is what you people seem to desire, but is also the reason these speculators don't have credentials, because they only want those credentials to make their asinine opinions seem more valid when they are arguing in their own comments section.


Nobody knows what a good signing is until the season is over and we all have 20/20 hindsight, your intuition is not proof of any fact and your anger is not a catalyst for change. All I read when I see this garbage is a lot of spoiled fans who even after making the playoffs for 23 years in a row and winning more Stanley Cups than any team in a quarter century, think they could do better and sit around bitterly whining about a few depth moves being made.


Grow up Hockeytown!

29 other teams lose the cup or on said free agent, I can't wait for the article to come out saying player X didn't want to come to Detroit because of the entitled fans, well I guess I could buy a website, call myself a blogger, write the opinion myself, use anonymous sources and then ***** because no one takes me serious.

#2530801 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by krsmith17 on 09 July 2014 - 12:20 PM

It's been very clear for quite some time now that we are "retooling". We're definitely not going to rebuild and dump our three captains, nor are we going to trade away all of our promising prospects for a quick fix. I'm more than okay with the retooling that is in progress. Our team will be stronger because of it, knowing that this team does not accept losing (tanking).

#2530755 Hockey News: Red Wings D hunting

Posted by DickieDunn on 09 July 2014 - 09:59 AM

Tatar for Myers straight up is a NO. Let alone Andersson too. A lot of people on here are pegging Tatar a Hudler when the organization has been said to be grooming him as a Zetterberg.

Edit-I remember Mickey and Ken talking about it while discussing our future as our 2 main center pieces going forward are Tatar & Nyquist

I think you're overestimating how good Tatar is going to be by a long way. He's more of a 60 point winger than a cornerstone of a franchise. Jurco Nyquist and Mantha all have the potential to be much better.

#2530704 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by Euro_Twins on 08 July 2014 - 07:54 PM


Soooo you're agreeing with me? I can't tell.  I was arguing that Green would put up 55 points. aka be successful in our system.


yes, I was agreeing with you, and just adding to what you were saying. Apparantly if a dman doesn't put up 60+ points he isn't very good according to some people...


and to those that want to reiterate, yes he isn't great defensively, but why should he have to be, like i said if he isn't spending much time in his own end, there's no need to worry about being amazing in his own end, that's what dekeyser/ericssonis for

#2530683 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by krsmith17 on 08 July 2014 - 06:23 PM

I obviously don't know for sure who is going to be better between the two small, skilled wingers but I without a doubt believe Pulkkinen will be the better player and the bigger need in a few years. Like, I've made clear many times, I really like Tatar and I would love to keep him, but if we are making a trade, to me, he is the most expendable forward. Yes, he just had a great rookie year, which should increase his value even more in a trade.


Pulkkinen has a better shot than any prospect we've had in a long time, probably ever, and we probably haven't had a weapon of a shot on our team since Brett Hull. I hate comparing prospects to retired greats, but you cannot deny the similarities in the two. They're both identical in size, 5'10, 195-200lbs. they both shoot right and have a cannon, hell, Pulk even goes down on one knee, when one-timing from the hash marks, the same way Hull did.


So isn't it obvious now that Pulkkinen will put up nearly 1400 points in the NHL the same way Hull did... :P

Seriously though, I really like this kids potential. :)

#2530658 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by number9 on 08 July 2014 - 04:47 PM

I certainly hope you're right. Just consider me a realist or in the wait and see crowd. Cause the only thing we have to go off is their recent history.

A realist would realize just how bizarre last season was when it came to injuries

#2530634 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by Datsyukian-Deke on 08 July 2014 - 03:01 PM

People also seem to think Kindl has positive value in a trade. At his contract, I don't think that's the case.

Yea I see Kindl as more of a burden when trading. Like "please take this contract off our hands and we will give you more value".

If Ken Holland is really the top GM that he thinks he is, he will get Green without giving up Jurco/Nyquist/Mantha/Tatar.

#2530636 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by DeGraa55 on 08 July 2014 - 03:24 PM

People also seem to think Kindl has positive value in a trade. At his contract, I don't think that's the case.

Not only that but if Washington gets rid of green it's cause they have 8 defenseman...why would they want another one with more time left in contract??

#2530616 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by krsmith17 on 08 July 2014 - 02:03 PM

Keep Tatar over Jurco? Really?? Please tell me you're the only Wings fan that would do that... Jurco has top line winger written all over him. Tatar on the other hand is a middling 2nd, 3rd line winger. I guarantee when GM's are talking to Ken Holland, they are asking for Jurco long before Tatar is mentioned. But no need to worry because Green shouldn't cost anything close to any of those guys...

#2530556 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by krsmith17 on 08 July 2014 - 09:15 AM

16th ranked offense last year due to probably the most bizarre rash of injuries to key players we've ever witnessed.

16th ranked defense last year due again to significant injuries, but mostly because of our young blue line getting accustomed to the NHL.


*** Please do not say that we are going to be more injured than last season because all of our players are a year older... It just won't happen.

I will bet most if not all of Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Franzen, Weiss, Ericsson and DeKeyser will play more games than last season.


Our roster is not "over full", although I would like to rid ourselves of a couple spare parts (Andersson, Kindl). I'm one of the few that would like to see all of Jurco, Pulkkinen and Mantha start the season in Grand Rapids.


We are not "out of cap space already". We should still have over 6 million after Tatar and DeKeyser are signed.


As of today, I would bet we could challenge for the Division but more realistically we would finish around 4th or 5th in the Conference.

#2530451 What's best for Mantha?

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 July 2014 - 03:25 PM

Ok, I get ya Son!  Like I said, it we all agreed it would be pretty boring here!


I do think Mantha will win a spot in the top 6, due to our lack of having a REAL top 6 cast of players. But I wouldn't be surprised if he starts in GR because that is what Holland does...although he did a starting job in Detroit to Brunner, so we may get to see him in Detroit...

#2530448 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 07 July 2014 - 03:18 PM

SOW this isn't a shot at you, but there does seem to be a feeling that trading a young prospect only means we are going to get a 34 year old guy with 1 or 2 years left to play. Look at the 3 big F that got moved so far this off season: Kesler, Neal, and Spezza. None of those deals broke the banks of the teams that picked them up. Trueth be told, we could have made all 3 of those deals, been a much better team, and still had some young guys left over. Not to mention we had the cap space for it. While prospects are nice and all, most never pan out. That is true and will always be true. Same was true with the Nash deal, not getting O'reilly, and Ryan. That is 6 big time F that have been moved or available lately that we could have had, failed to get, all but 1 are under 30. Meanwhile we have been 15th or so in scoring the last 2 years, with most of our prospects burried in the minors.


Spezza wasn't a need, Kessler wanted either Anaheim or Chicago, and the Pens shipped Neal out west. 



You said he "never" did anything to build for an immediate run and sacrifice the future.  He did.  Yes, it was a while ago, before the Cap.  But that's not "never".


*edit-- 4 of 9 first rounders traded since 2006.


So Holland trading down first rounders because the player he wants is still available is hurting the teams future? I'd hardly call trading a late 1st for 2 second rounders sacrificing the future. Also, precap era trading firsts wasn't a big deal. They brought in players they wanted and had the money to keep them. Not to mention they were able to outspend almost any other team in free agency. Late first round picks were fairly meaningless for this franchise back then. You also can't consider trading a late first rounder for 2 picks hurting the franchise either. 


The ONLY first round pick traded you can make any possible case for is the Quincey trade. That is one pick. One pick will not hurt this team in the long run. 


Has he made moves for an immediate run? Yes. Has he ever hurt the future of the franchise by doing so? No. 

#2530296 Hockey News: Red Wings D hunting

Posted by GoWings1905 on 06 July 2014 - 07:39 PM

I would give up Tatar as part of a package for Myers, but no way on the other three. At this point, I would just prefer Kenny to do nothing and not overpay for a d-man that probably won't have the impact necessary to make the Wings immediate contenders anyways.

Let the best kid out of training camp grab the sixth spot on defense, move Kindl for whatever possible and say many prayers for Jimmy Howard playing behind that train wreck of a defense.