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#2580745 Franzen on IR

Posted by rick zombo on 12 March 2015 - 10:24 AM

The same people who actually believe(d) that Datsyuk and Babs are/were leaving were the same who advocated tanking the team. They had a desire to dismantle the team. Just like some want to believe Franzen will leave so badly that they will look past the zero evidence (other than amatuer medical opinion) and state that they never expect to see him again.

I recognize theres risk, but the greater probability sits with him returning right now. So thinking it's best that he hangs em up right now, is pretty much 100% jumping to conclusions before all the facts are out.

 

What are you talking about? I will totally be "positve surprised" if Franzen plays again this year. :lol:




#2593078 No Scoring and No Fighting

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 13 April 2015 - 11:24 PM

No this thread is not about the Wings.  

 

So the league leader in points this year was Jamie Benn, with a whopping 87 points. Ovechkin led the league in goals with 53.  Only two other players even hit 40 goals!  Only 15 players hit 30 goals.    

 

I know this is the era of butterfly, oversized pad goaltending, but this can't be what Bettman and company want to see.  You'd think all the top players in the league spent the season overseas when you look at these stats atop the leaderboards.  

 

Oh and only 16 players hit 100+ PIM, with only 4 of those players hitting 150+ PIM.  I can't imagine that happening any other time in a full season in the modern era.  

 

To sum up, this "new NHL" has no scoring and no fighting.  I guess if you're a fan of big goalies swallowing up pucks, you'll love today's game.   :sleepy:

 

Oh I almost forgot.  There's parity, so that makes everything more fun to watch, despite the fact that nobody scores, hits or fights.  Parity is what really counts here folks.  

There's a flaw in your reasoning. Just because there's less 30 and 40 goal scorers doesn't necessarily mean there's less scoring. To me, it means the defensive side of the has improved so that teams have learned to neutralize stars so that they can't rack up the goals.

 

You'd have to look total league-wide goals scored to see if scoring is up or down. I found this chart for average goals per game:

 

http://www.hockey-re...gues/stats.html

 

It actually shows that scoring has been pretty steady. Especially for the past 5 years. This current period is actually up from 97-03. 05-09 was a bit higher. After 1996 is the point where scoring dropped off significantly. Since then, it's been down, up then settled between the two levels. It doesn't fit so well into your "league is becoming less and less exciting" argument.




#2592559 43-25-14......3rd seed in Division. Success or Failure?

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 11 April 2015 - 10:18 PM

Success, with a really obnoxious hiccup in March.


#2592192 Do Maple Leaf fans deserve better?

Posted by kliq on 11 April 2015 - 10:47 AM

 A fanboy will go out of his ways both verbally to defend every move his chosen does make or doesn't make while a real fan will look at things more rationally and also criticize some moves if he feels it's justified.

 

 

Well it's THN this site isn't worth the webspace anymore. Not surprised that their "writers" don't understand the importance of a guy like Orr or basically anything hockey-related, I mean this is the same site that has this political-maniac writing articles that have nothing to do with hockey.

 

Orr freaking deserves this and I for sure will watch it, the guy has played his heart out for this team and is one of the last true warriors reminding other players but better clean up their act, or else someone sneaky is coming around the corners.

 

tldr: f*** THN and hats off to #28 Colton Orr

 

 

Not surprised that some people aren't giving him the respect a man like him deserves. Too bad some can't even keep their anti respect for enforcers bulls*** of for a day of celebration. May not have been the best player ever but guy has heart and tremendous work ethic and made around 10 million playing the sport he loves! Much better option than turning hockey I into soccer .. I'd trade our joke of 4 line for 1 Colton Orr every day and twice on Sunday!

 

Enough Said lol




#2591771 4/9/15 GDT Red Wings 3 @ Canadiens 4 *Warning post #888 & 906*

Posted by Aethernum on 09 April 2015 - 09:38 PM

There are more positive things being said about the Wings in opposing teams' subreddits. I love this forum, I think there are a lot of intelligent people and the moderation is on point but lately, it's been so negative. Do you guys realize that we at currently complaining that we don't like the WAY that our team clinched for the 24th year in a row? That's ridiculous and entitled and spoiled. This team is not "average at best" they are better than average as proven by their record this year. I have not been alive long enough to see them miss the playoffs. Think about that and then put yourselves in the shoes of literally ever other team and try to imagine behaving the same way as you are now.
It is 100% understandable to be critical of aspects of the team play, but to claim the sky is falling after every loss or bad goal is completely absurd. I'm sorry, I love you guys but it's disheartening to see so many "fans" express more hatred toward their own players than they do to the Hawks. We're better than this.
/endrant

 

You are my hero.

 

Seriously, people, can we have a little perspective? We lost a game, in overtime, to one of the best teams in the NHL, despite outplaying that team for the majority of the game. And that point continues a playoff streak that goes back to when, like, half our team wasn't even born yet. There are teams in today's NHL that didn't exist when we were making the playoffs every year.

 

The goal of the regular season is to make the playoffs. Period. There is no extra credit for finishing higher in the standings or with bogus "momentum." You don't get an extra game or two head start in your first series. Once you're in, everyone is on even ground and anything can happen. We accomplished our ONLY goal for this regular season. Cherish that. And buckle up because I think the Wings can surprise some people, goaltending notwithstanding.




#2591754 4/9/15 GDT Red Wings 3 @ Canadiens 4 *Warning post #888 & 906*

Posted by Ally on 09 April 2015 - 09:34 PM

There are more positive things being said about the Wings in opposing teams' subreddits. I love this forum, I think there are a lot of intelligent people and the moderation is on point but lately, it's been so negative. Do you guys realize that we at currently complaining that we don't like the WAY that our team clinched for the 24th year in a row? That's ridiculous and entitled and spoiled. This team is not "average at best" they are better than average as proven by their record this year. I have not been alive long enough to see them miss the playoffs. Think about that and then put yourselves in the shoes of literally ever other team and try to imagine behaving the same way as you are now.
It is 100% understandable to be critical of aspects of the team play, but to claim the sky is falling after every loss or bad goal is completely absurd. I'm sorry, I love you guys but it's disheartening to see so many "fans" express more hatred toward their own players than they do to the Hawks. We're better than this.
/endrant


#2591695 4/9/15 GDT Red Wings 3 @ Canadiens 4 *Warning post #888 & 906*

Posted by The Greek on 09 April 2015 - 09:21 PM

This isn't going to be a very fun forum for the next few days.

It hasn't been fun for a while.


#2590839 % chance of making the playoffs

Posted by kipwinger on 08 April 2015 - 10:08 PM

Everybody snickers about Florida, but they're just like Columbus.  They're going to come out of the blue suddenly and start kicking the crap out of all the regulars.  Tallon has done a good job drafting down there, and that team is moving in the right direction. 




#2588659 Do Red Wings fans deserve better?

Posted by kliq on 03 April 2015 - 02:46 AM

I know you are frustrated, but this is the type of thread that causes other fans to call Wings fans spoiled.

 

The NHL is a league of parity, and we are going through a bad month. One bad month means nothing, just as one good month means nothing. At the end of the day what matters is where we finish, not how did we do in March. One thing that I think is hurting us is that our backs are not against the wall. We are in a position where we cant really get a higher seed as we are not catching Tampa, and we have had a decent lead on 7th which is fading, but still there and likely to stick.

 

I have said this a million times, the Wings are going through a re-build. Tatar, Nquist, Sheahan, Jurco, Pulkkinen, Smith, DD, Mrazek, Marchenko, XO, Sproul, AA, Larkin, Mantha etc. the list of young talent is endless, to compare us to the Leafs, a team that hasn't won a cup since 1967, has made the playoffs once in 10 years, has not had stable leadership, has a horrible relationship with the media (though that seems more the media's fault), and lacks prospects is just ridiculous.

 

Too many people seem to take things to extremes, when we are winning we are primed for the cup, and when we are losing we are absolute crap and need to get rid of everyone. We aren't either right now, we are exactly what I thought we were coming into the season, a team that falls between 3-6, and in today's NHL with parity the way it is, has a change, but is by no means the favourite. Not a bad place to be when you are on an up swing with a ton of up and coming talent.

 

If you are expecting a cup this year, you are probably going to be disappointed. Of course we all hope this up swing of young talent peaks before D & Z really start to decline, but that's probably not going to happen....though one can hope :)

 

Bottom line, you cant be elite every single year. We definitely don't "deserve" anything. We have had it better then every other fan-base in hockey since the early 90's.




#2585267 Do Maple Leaf fans deserve better?

Posted by chaps80 on 26 March 2015 - 05:12 PM

 

It's actually based on a book "The Hockey Sweater" by Roch Carrier.

 

Famous book.  I received it as a gift when I was about 5.  Had it all my life.

 

Pretty sure the last Canadian $5 bill(before the switch to the current plastic ones) had a quote from that book on the back.




#2584590 3/24 GDT : Coyotes 5 at Red Wings 4 (OT)

Posted by WingsallTheway on 24 March 2015 - 08:14 PM

Absolutely clean hit on Glendenning, dont be homers

 

One of the nicest hits ive seen this season TBH

 

Skate with your head down at that height your going to get hit there first, every time. If that was dirty Kronwall shouldve been suspended for each hit hes done




#2583225 Connor McDavid

Posted by krsmith17 on 20 March 2015 - 09:28 AM

I'm sure someone is going to come along and say, "you know not every prospect works out right?"... That's the thing though, pretty much every player mentioned above is as close to a sure thing as it gets (aside from maybe Callahan). It's not like we're talking about Turgeon, Holmstrom, Tvrdon, etc. (although I don't think it's out of the question that any of these guys make it either). Sure, it's going to suck when Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Kronwall retire but we're going to be in great shape thanks to Mr. Holland.

 

Our defense doesn't look too bad for the future either, with DeKeyser, Smith, Ericsson, Marchenko, Ouellet, Sproul, Jensen, (Wheaton, McNulty, Nedomlel). Like I've said before though, I do believe we do need to concentrate on drafting defense in this years draft (especially the first round). 




#2583187 Connor McDavid

Posted by number9 on 19 March 2015 - 11:48 PM

All my Sabres friends talk about nothing but McDavid. They are honestly irate that Lindback has rediscovered his form since coming to Buffalo. They would rather see their once highly touted goalie fail miserably than become a valuable asset to the team. And that goes with all their young ones stepping up and playing well right now. Yet they still will only have a 20% chance a McDavid if they finish last. And therein lies the conundrum with tanking. Wishing your players to suck in order to get the greener players on the other side of the hill.

 

Then when they get said player they wonder why they still aren't winning and their other 22 players suck. It's madness.

 

For everyone who points to PIT, CHI, and tanking as the answer, I point to Detroit, Montreal, Tampa, NYR, Boston, Columbus, Edmonton, STL, Nashville, Minny, LA, SJ. For some of those smart rebuilding has worked, and the others tanking has failed. CHI and PIT are the exception, not the rule.




#2583195 Lines Thread

Posted by number9 on 20 March 2015 - 12:28 AM

Andersson gets a bad rap because he's the worst forward on the team (not counting cleary). That doesn't mean he's a bad player. He's got solid defensive smarts despite being ineffective offensively and physically. He'd be semi-decent on a lesser team

 

Yes, he's expendable, like Lashoff, Huskins, Gustavsson, etc. But that doesn't mean he isn't useful.




#2580671 Franzen on IR

Posted by number9 on 11 March 2015 - 12:07 PM

 

I get what you're saying all over this thread, and I think much of the fan-speculation is silly too. But in this day and age, given how sensitive the entire sports world is becoming to concussions for very good reason, I'd say it's a good deal less outlandish to be concerned about Franzen's 10th concussion than any given person's disc issues in their back. Back issues are serious, no doubt, but they are not at the center of numerous lawsuits and major studies in the sports world like concussions currently are, again, for very good reason.

 

People may very well have an anti-Franzen bias around here that colors their thoughts, and earlier in the thread you might see that I asked if their was anything said officially on the matter of Franzen potentially being done, and when there was none, I completely dismissed it and left the thread. I popped in now and again just to see if there were any real updates and eventually did learn that this is his 10th concussion, which I was unaware of beforehand.

 

I personally have found Franzen to be a frustrating player as time's gone on, I'll fully admit that. I don't really miss him, but I don't really wish that he was gone either. I more or less stopped caring much one way or the other, because Franzen is who he is, an occasionally brilliant and occasionally lackluster forward. At least his cap hit is pretty cheap relative to today's market, so it's tough to complain too much. That's what I think.

 

That said, I read that this is his 10th concussion and I have to say I immediately started worrying about the guy. The reality of the matter is concussions are quite serious, and while he likely will be able to come back from this, there's going to be a part of me that's concerned for the guy's long term health. As frustrating as he can be as a player to some, and as underrated as he is considered to others, he's still a person who's had a lot of concussions, and that's just not a good thing to put it simply.

 

It's silly to be arguing about whether he should or shouldn't come back, let alone whether he will or won't. It's a waste of energy. If people want to waste energy, a better way to do it would be to simply express hope that whatever Franzen decides to do, he won't have any long-term issues from all of these concussions. At the end of the day, that's what really matters, and the rest is out of our hands anyways.

 

Just because concussions have been sensationalized by lawsuits and former enforcer suicides, doesn't take away from the severity of chronic spinal and shoulder injury. Nathan Horton is latest to have his career end early because of this issue.

 

My issue is the double standard.

 

The reaction to Zetterberg being out is "I hear it's his back again, I hope it's not bad"

The reaction to Franzen being out is "I don't expect to see him play ever again, he should seriously consider retirement"

 

There is a lot more going on there than just the injury.