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#2637793 Wings Need on D and Glaring Inconsistencies

Posted by Echolalia on 18 November 2015 - 10:19 AM

We are fifth in the league in shot attempts against. Our goalies aren't bailing us out. Our team defense is actually making their job VERY easy relative to other goalies.

Goalies don't stop shot attempts.  They stop shots.  Of which Wings allow 30.9/game, tied for 6th most in the NHL with the Penguins and the Jets.

#2636702 11/13 GDT | Sharks @ Red Wings | 7:30 PM ET | FSD

Posted by FlashyG on 12 November 2015 - 08:40 PM




It's a little bit early, but I wont be around at Midnight to post it. Hopefully that's ok.

#2635232 All purpose Mike Babcock thread

Posted by Buppy on 04 November 2015 - 11:16 PM


Lol.  Way to rewrite history.  Babcock had as good, or better, teams that Quenneville for the vast majority of his career.  Quenneville has NEVER coached a single player better than Datsyuk, Zettererg, or Lidstrom. Babcock had all three, in their primes, at the same time.  Babcock had 2 Hall of Fame goalies (yes, Osgood will get in), Quenneville has had none.  And you're trying to make it seem like he had nothing to work with.  Lol.  Even the last few years Babcock has had playoff caliber teams.  He wasn't coaching the Buffalo Sabres into the playoffs.  He was coaching a perennial winner with a number of stars, some of whom were occasionally hurt. Big deal.


The year we had the 2nd most man games lost to injury we limped into the playoffs and lost in the first round.  That same year the Pens had the MOST man games lost and won their division...and a playoff series.  Yet nobody says Bylsma is the greatest coach in the league (despite having as many Cups and a higher win percentage than Babcock I might add). 


You're selectively remembering the past to support an untenable argument.  And I don't understand why.  Canada DOES have the best coach in hockey.  A guy who consistently wins.  A guy who consistently brings out the best in his talent.  A guy who displays, and expects, excellence.  His name just isn't Mike Babcock.  Embrace it. 

Rewriting history?


You do know Quenneville started coaching before Chicago, right? Without getting into a debate on Hull-Turgeon-MacInnins-Pronger-Fuhr or Kane-Toews-Sharp-Hossa-Kieth vs what Babcock has had, Detroit was a top contender for only four years with Babcock. Another two or three as a second-tier team, and the last three being middle-of-the-pack. Not much different than Quenneville's tenure with Chicago and Colorado. True, he's had more playoff success in Chicago, but he also had a lot of failures in St.Louis. He went to Chicago with 11 years of NHL coaching experience, including several very good teams in St.Louis, plus a couple as an assistant with the Avs first Cup team. Babcock had two years. Maybe if Babcock had had more experience when he took over with the Wings, we would have had more success. Maybe not.


But really, picking a best coach is pretty much impossible. It's too hard to quantify the coach's impact. It's practically impossible to pick a best player, even with a boatload of individual stats to help. There are no individual stats for coaches. Only team results. No two coaches are ever in the same situation, so you can't even make direct comparisons. Best you can do is look at a guys general success level and say "he's one of the best". That's all most people actually say about Babcock, and also what most people say about Quenneville. That one or two people here may hold the opinion that Babs is the best is no different than you believing that Queneville is. It's an opinion and nothing more.


Both are great. Both have missed the playoffs only once (so far). Q had a bubble team the year he was fired in StL, but they did end up making it even though they didn't really improve any after he left. Both have made the finals 3 times. Similar winning% both regular season and playoffs. Both have had a PT winner lose in the first round. Both usually have only been beaten by better teams in the playoffs, with several losses to eventual Cup winners between them. Basically the only difference is Q has won a couple big games where Babs has lost a couple, and Babs succeeded in a couple big opportunities than Q was never given. Whether the results would have been any different if the roles were reversed is something we can only guess at. Your guess is no more valid than anyone else's. Personally, I think guessing at all is silly. A team would be lucky to have either of them.

#2635214 All purpose Mike Babcock thread

Posted by kliq on 04 November 2015 - 07:18 PM


why are your even arguing with the anti Babcock crowd? It's not worth it let them think whatever they want

The people who are in the know or tasked with building and leading team Canada's all-star roster know it and most normal fans do too, it's Babcock without question.

But hey now that the ABC has their own thread it's going to be fun seeing how emotionally attached they are because others don't share their viewpoint rotfl.


Your hypocrisy amazes me Frank.


When someone says anything good about Ken Holland, you call them “fanboys”, yet you are the one who spouts off that Babcock is the best coach in the world every single chance you get. I could probably look at your posting history and find 10 posts from the last month alone.


If someone makes a valid point against Babcock, rather than acknowledge or even debate the point, you simply call the people making the point “the anti-Babcock” crowd. You take the argument to the extreme and dismiss/distort what is actually being said.


There have been alot of great points made in this thread. I do believe that if Babcock was the greatest, he should be getting more out of TO then he is. What TO’s performance is telling me, is that while he is good, he is not to the level some people think.

#2634244 Breaking News! Wings defeated by local high school JV team!

Posted by Aethernum on 30 October 2015 - 09:23 PM

Don't engage the troll.

#2630333 Roster Moves by the Wings

Posted by kipwinger on 13 October 2015 - 06:34 PM


A few months ago, we couldn't score s*** when it mattered the most in the playoffs.  That wasn't 2012.  I was just talking about our comparison to last year's Tampa or Chicago.  We didn't have their firepower.  I think we can score regular season goals, but will our top guys disappear again in the playoffs?  Long way to go until then, but it's a fair question based on the last several playoff exits.


Lol.  You really think that's why we couldn't score?  Because we didn't have the firepower?  We had four 20 goal scorers.  Our young guys have gotten a year better.  We've added a rookie sensation, an elite offensive defenseman, and a skilled second line center.  Oh, and we're healthier. 


This isn't the same team that played Tampa a few months ago, and you know that as much as anybody. 

#2626734 Kane case headed to grand jury

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 23 September 2015 - 03:22 PM

They're denying it was. But how does a bag containing the items the victim wore that night, her identity, and the initials of the attending nurses find its way to the mom's doorstep? Somebody's lying, and either way it's disgusting.

#2614124 The return of The Mule?

Posted by number9 on 12 June 2015 - 12:31 PM

Thank you. No team physician can rule out the long term risks here. Not sure what a "shroud of caring is" since I think most fans are genuinely concerned for his long term health, even if we arent all personal friends of Mule or anyone else. It's called being a halfway decent human being, even online. 

It's probably the whole "he's worthless, buy him out, trade em for a bag of pucks, just get him off the roster" rhetoric that has gone on for years. Now that he's hurt some people act like they want him to get healthy and come back, but bc they 'care' about him soooo much, they think he should hang him up. As if they don't want him to hang them up for other reasons as well.

I have no doubt ppl feel for him as one human to another, but you can see how it comes off as a "shroud of caring". Some of these caring souls having been bashing him and begging to be rid of him for years. They may finally get their wish.

#2613280 Time for an offer sheet?

Posted by Richdg on 05 June 2015 - 04:04 PM


Is Hamilton really worth $7M?  Blows my mind an RFA is commanding this type of money.  I knew he was good, but not *that* good.

Petry just got 5.5 million per to resign. Hamilton is a much better player and younger than Petry. One is a 25 point per year RHed D and the other is a 40+ point per year RHed D. 6 years difference in age as well. No one is worth it, but that is the market.

With the expected cap increase and LTIR for Savard, they'll have about $10-11M in space. Tight but I still bet they'd match. Most of the spots they have to fill can be filled cheaply. Plus they could opt to move Lucic and/or Eriksson.


Moot point though, as we do not have our 3rd rounder in 2016. We'd have to trade for that pick back (not just any third, our own) before we could even submit an offer.

That is correct. Holland has 25 days to work out a deal with NJ to get our 2016 pick back. That is all it would take. A Tvrdon for the pick type of deal should make it happen.


But lets dream for a minute.....






That is a very good BL corp and we would still have more BL prospects coming and all of our best F prospects. Not to mention about 10 million more in cap space after trading KFQ.

#2610426 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by marcaractac on 26 May 2015 - 07:02 PM

Hey everyone, I would like to see a few things up that should of have happened the season before this one. 1) Get rid of Holland or demote him to a position in the organization where he has no input on signing, advising, or can even make a freaking suggestion about a player!. 2) Do whatever to send Weiss on his way and get rid of that ridiculous contract he has if we can't get rid of him and shed the full contract do something to at least shed off at the worst case half of it. 3) Sign a right handed defense-men who can make a impact, gritty up in your face and can hang with opposing teams top guys. 4) Trade Jimmy asap! dude sucks and is not anywhere near " Starting Goalie " status. Let the young gun Mrazek take over and make him the official #1 net minder.  I am at the point after this most recent first round exit to say screw making the playoffs every year just so we can say we have the longest active streak of playoff appearances in north american sports. Last time i check the point of playing the game was to win the cup, not keep making the playoffs every year just to get knocked out in the first round! It's time for a big shake up in Hockeytown like it or not. The time is now!! I wanna see my Wings hoisting cups again! 


You lost me at #1. 

#2610376 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 26 May 2015 - 09:56 AM

I honestly wouldn't be at all surprised if the Griffins win 4 straight, taking the series in 5. I think we're much deeper up front (GRG - 3.5 GF/G vs UTI - 2.2 GF/G) and better on the back end as well, but we lose in the goaltending battle (GRG - 2.9 GA/G, UTI - 2.2 GA/G). We have much better special teams (GRG - 25%PP, UTI - 14.8%PP / GRG - 84.1%PK, UTI - 77.2%PK). Markstrom is the better goalie, but since those first two goals against McCollum, he has looked very solid. They finished 3 points ahead in the regular season but with the additions of Larkin and Bertuzzi, I think that puts us over the top.

#2608234 2015 Draft

Posted by number9 on 17 May 2015 - 09:39 PM

I do think helm and abdelkader will be resigned and be life long wings ... I think miller will/should be gone when his contract ends ... I'd personally replace him now with a bigger body on the 4th to go with glendening and Ferraro next season (I know it won't happen though)


I think everyone underestimates what Miller does for this team. If he was expendable we would have traded him over Eaves (eaves being RH). I love me some Miller time.

#2607958 What's our draft position this year? And best defensemen available

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 15 May 2015 - 11:26 AM

My god what's so hard to understand about fans wanting local heroes ?

What's hard to understand is that you're stating that "fans" want this with no proof of that even being the case. You, frankgrimes, may want this, but that doesn't mean that everyone or even a minute cross section of the fans of any given team want this. I would agree with others above that for anyone who is not xenophobic, icing the *best possible team* regardless of country of origin is the most important thing. Also, as previously pointed out, the Wings *have* multiple players from the area on the team. Now, I was born and raised in MI and this means nothing more to me than a Pierre McGuire interesting trivia tidbit. Nothing. Are they good players who complement the team? Great. If it does mean something to someone else, great. You got it.

TL;DR this isn't a thing. Stop trying to convince us that it is a thing, and that we all want it.

#2607041 2015 Draft

Posted by krsmith17 on 10 May 2015 - 07:04 PM

Werenski would be awesome but I don't see him dropping that much. Either way, we need to take a defenseman in the first round, if possible.

#2606830 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by number9 on 08 May 2015 - 09:50 PM


I agree 100%. My post was directed at us using Blashill 100%, and if Holland goes and signs anyone else my god...


Not yet. Holland hasn't stopped pumping the tires. The Locker Room interview, he said we were leaking oil.


Is our team af****** car?


It is the motor city... and we do have a tire for a logo lol