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#2685109 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kliq on 26 August 2016 - 04:58 PM

If you are saying that Q is a good player than don't use Franson as another exemple. It doesn't mean that he'should a top 4 defensemen being paid +$4M defensemen as he was massively overpaid.

This has nothing to do with what I said. My point was that a player not signing right away is often a result of said player wanting more then he is worth. I did not say Franson was better, the same, or worse then Qunicey as it is irrelevant. I would use Franson in my example again if I had to as IMO it is a similar situation. (I admit, this is speculation)


I believe Quincey had a price tag that was higher then what teams were willing to pay. I'm sure if Quincey was willing to take a short term deal at a reasonable cap hit, he would have been signed extremely quick. Quincey would be a great 3rd pairing guy on a good team. I never said he was a top 4 guy.

Anaheim needs a leftwinger, there's no reason why a trade centering around Nyquist in exchange for Fowler cannot be done. Except that Holland thinks Nyquist is the future of his franchise or something...thanks kenny...make the deal already.


This is not how trades work. You cannot tell Anaheim, we are giving you Nyquist for Fowler end of story. They may not want Nyquist, they may want AA, Mantha or Larkin......In that 5 questions thing, Kenny basically said that he feels goose has hit his ceiling, if that's the case I cant see why he would think that Nyquist "is the future of the franchise". You're just creating a narrative because you are frustrated with the realities of today's market.

#2684981 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Buppy on 22 August 2016 - 07:09 PM

I assume you just don't know that much about Winnipeg. Like the Wings, they are kind of loaded with mid-level forwards: Wheeler, Scheifele, Little, Perreault, Ehlers, Stafford. Obviously Laine will be in the mix. Most seem to expect Kyle Connor to make the team and some think he may be better than Larkin. Just signed Matthias. Dano looked ok for them last year. Burmistrov will probably never amount to much, but he's still only 24 so I doubt they've completely given up on him. 


I'd say it's hardly a lock that Sheahan or Pulk would even make their top-9, much less top-6. Plus they (like pretty much everyone) are already going to be struggling with the question of whom to protect. Then you include Smith, and either they resign him and have to protect him, or they risk losing him as an UFA.


The Jets offense wasn't very good, but neither was their defense. Even losing Ladd, the potential impact of Laine and Connor plus continued development of Ehlers (and maybe a little more from Scheifele even) gives reason for some optimism there. On defense, Morrissey is the only good prospect they have. Getting rid of Trouba for anything other than a direct replacement doesn't make much sense. Maybe for a real upgrade at forward or a top pick + prospect that wouldn't need protection.


Really nothing about that trade makes any sense for the Jets. The only way it would is if they get completely desperate with being unable to resign Trouba, and just go for the highest bid. But you already admit that wouldn't likely be us. 


The Anaheim deal is a bit better, if you presume they are still looking for help at forward. I'm not sure they still are, but they do have a lot of good young D. Not so sure Nyquist + Holmstrom would get Fowler (E and Bieksa is more or less a wash), with Nyquist coming off a down year and with a longish-term contract. Also not sure Fowler is even good enough to be worth Nyquist.

#2684944 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 19 August 2016 - 02:32 PM


Last eleven years. No one has made fewer trades, and it's not even close.

A.K.A. since the salary cap. It's clear that has been our policy since the cap - go with homegrown draft picks and prospects for the majority of our players. In this time, I think every other team, at some point, has either traded a lot of their future in a big push to win (Pens, FLA, KIngs, etc) or traded away aging stars in order to tank and get picks (Flames, Buffalo, etc.) We haven't been in either of these extreme situations so it makes sense that we have tallied much less trades - that was what I was saying.


Now, you can argue that we should go through the cycle of boom and bust, but that's another conversation, i think. 

#2684710 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by LeftWinger on 11 August 2016 - 11:32 PM

I'm a huge Holland critic. But remember before we won in 97? We had a core of young players growing together, learning together. Remember when Yzerman was traded in 94 until Mrs. I put the cabash on it? Remember when we signed aging vets like Bob rouse, Mike Ramsey, acquired a past his prime Mike Vernon, remember trading for a 35 year old igor larionov and a 36 year old fetisov? Remember claiming a 30 year Doug brown off the waiver wire? 35 year old Larry Murphy who seemed to be done after failing miserably in Toronto. How about 32 year old Joe kocur out of the beer league?

You have to grow a core, you have to influx that with vets. Not a big fan of Helm, but he's obviously part of our core...

I wish Holland would make a deal for a D man, but I think he is doing it very similar to the early 90's.

#2684676 Patrick Roy steps down as Head Coach and VP of Hockey Operations

Posted by krsmith17 on 11 August 2016 - 04:03 PM

Sakic, overrated? Seriously? Why do fans that hate opposing teams have to hate every player on those teams? The Wings Avalanche rivalry is long over. Not a single player involved remains on either team. Why do people still hate them so much? I guess for the same reason they still hate the Penguins and Crosby... or should I say "Criesby".....

Burnaby Joe was a beast in his day and to say otherwise is flat out wrong...

#2684545 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 08 August 2016 - 12:32 PM

Sometimes I wonder if a fourth line as a designated shut down line is an antiquated aspect of hockey that's only practiced because the coaches from the last generation did it, so it must be the way to go. I would like to see four possession-based lines and see where that takes us.

#2684525 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 07 August 2016 - 07:14 PM

If Blashill figures out lines, usage and deployment we could have a really good season. If he coaches like he did last season, well then I don't see much success.

#2684523 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 07 August 2016 - 03:15 PM

Is anyone expecting much? Not me.


I am.  I think our offense should rebound nicely, we should be better in goal, and our defense (although relatively weak) isn't as bad as people think. 

#2684446 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 05 August 2016 - 05:58 PM

I'd be thrilled if Mantha turned out exactly like Franzen. Though I hope he'd learn to keep his head out of the way of traffic a little better than Johan.

#2684434 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kickazz on 05 August 2016 - 11:36 AM

I see Mantha as hopefully a power forward type. Big body, sniper. Not a holmstrom type guy. I see Jurco in a similar way. Big and a bit of a sniper. He has definitely been used wrong the last couple of seasons. Think back to the jurco-Sheahan-Tatar line. That's how he should be used.

So like Franzen? 

#2684192 DeKeyser re-signed to a 6 year deal

Posted by krsmith17 on 29 July 2016 - 10:04 AM

I agree that teams need offensive defensemen that can drive possession, but teams also need steady, reliable, two-way defensemen such as DeKeyser. This is not a home-run deal by any stretch, but I think it's a solid contract, one that absolutely needed to get hammered down. We certainly could not afford to lose DeKeyser, and although I thought he might take a bit of a hometown discount, I doubt we could have gotten a whole lot lower than what he signed.


Look around the league at some of the number 2 / 3 defensemen (which is what I believe DeKeyser is) and see what kind of contracts they're on...


Tobias Enstrom - $5.75M over 5 years.

Marc Staal - $5.7M over 6 years.

Jeff Petry - $5.5M over 6 years.

Dan Girardi - $5.5M over 6 years.

Brooks Orpik - $5.5M over 6 years.

Matt Carle - $5.5M over 6 years.

James Wisniewski - $5.5M over 6 years.

Jay Bouwmeester - $5.4M over 5 years.

Dennis Wideman - $5.25M over 5 years.

Zach Bogosian - $5.14M over 7 years.

Andy Green - $5M over 5 years

Andrew MacDonald - $5M over 6 years.

Alexander Edler - $5M over 6 years.

Paul Martin - $5M over 5 years.


Is there a single one of them you can say is definitively better than DeKeyser? Nope.


DeKeyser needs to be paired with a number one puck moving defenseman, and then we would finally see what he is really capable of.

No one is saying he's elite, and he's not being paid like he's elite. He's a solid number 2 / 3, and that's exactly how he's getting paid. Good contract, that has the potential to turn out to be a great contract...

#2684156 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 28 July 2016 - 07:31 PM

Agreed. I wasn't disputing your point, just clarifying a couple that have already signed.

#2683941 DeKeyser re-signed to a 6 year deal

Posted by marcaractac on 26 July 2016 - 10:05 AM

No one here yet... a lot of backlash on Twitter though...


Unfortunately a large portion of the Red Wings fanbase have become insufferable. There is literally nothing to complain about with this deal at all. 5 million per season for a dman of his calibre coming into his prime is as ideal as it gets. Some ***** at the term, but he'll be only 32 when the deal is up. I see no issue.  

#2683762 Fans rank front offices....Wings 21st

Posted by kliq on 24 July 2016 - 04:31 PM

This list is a joke, just a few "rankings" that baffle:


Arizona - 7th

Buffalo - 9th

Winnipeg - 10th

Chicago - 12th

Toronto - 13th

Carolina - 14th

Anaheim - 19th

LA - 20th


So according to this, the management teams of Anaheim and LA are not at the level of teams such as Arizona, Buffalo, and Winnipeg as those teams just ooz of success. This list seem to have a bias towards teams that tank. In what world is Chicago (as much as I hate them) ranked lower the Arizona???

#2683677 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by marcaractac on 22 July 2016 - 09:59 PM

So you're sure the evidence is there, you just don't have it.

First, TBTLC would actually have to center the third line, which he hasn't done since shortly after Babs dubbed him that. He was an unproductive second line winger until Blash moved him to Glendening's wing last year.


If you need evidence so bad why not Google it yourself? Not everyone on the internet cares about trying to convince random people of what they already know. 


This team has had identity and depth issues for a few years now. It is of zero surprise that Helm had to log a lot of top 6 minutes. Despite the fact this team is nowhere near contention, at least now there is enough depth to have actual top six players play in the top six. I'd fully expect to see Helm back on the third line this season. If not, the management of this team will just continue to show incompetence.