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#2674557 Fixing this mess....

Posted by kliq on 29 April 2016 - 09:42 PM

Yes the average size is most likely overstated. But even if it is the average size is still bigger than the listed/overstated size of Helm. 6-1/205 (overstated) is still bigger than Helm 6-0/195 (overstated). Which again means Helm is under the league average in size. .

 

Now size in and of itself means nothing. Where it does mean something is in applying pain on the other teams D. If I am a defensemen playing vs the RW's who would I rather be checked by? Helm at 6-0/195 or Martin at 6-3/205? Martin is a much more physical player and larger player. Guys like him cause the other teams players to tire and get gun shy. That is what increases mistakes.

 

Why are you changing the numbers? You did the same thing when talk about Patrick Sharps stats. You just make-up/change things to suit your argument.

It's 6'1, 201, not 6'1 205. I will say again, with margin of error, Helm is the mean.

 

I do agree that size does not mean everything (I wouldn't say it means nothing, it definitely helps). I would still rather have Helm then Martin if the $ is the same. But I think Helm will want about 3mil per, for about 4-5 years which I dont want the Wings dishing out.




#2674527 This hits the nail on the head......

Posted by Aethernum on 29 April 2016 - 06:47 PM

An impatient fan base that expects a Cup every year is what causes teams like Anaheim to fire respected coaches after four straight division titles. He's absolutely dead on about this: If you expect Detroit to compete for the Cup every single year, then in today's league of parity, you are out of your mind. 

 

Making the playoffs every year is as about as reasonable an expectation as you can get. After that, everything is up for grabs. Look at this year: Maybe you'll be the Tampa Bay Lightning and get an easy first round matchup, or maybe you'll be the Chicago Blackhawks and have to face the St. Louis Blues. Would anyone here be disappointed at a first round exit with the quality of play that we saw in the Chicago/St. Louis series? I seriously hope not. Sometimes it just doesn't fall your way.

 

I don't disagree with Holland on this. 




#2674530 This hits the nail on the head......

Posted by kliq on 29 April 2016 - 07:07 PM

An impatient fan base that expects a Cup every year is what causes teams like Anaheim to fire respected coaches after four straight division titles. He's absolutely dead on about this: If you expect Detroit to compete for the Cup every single year, then in today's league of parity, you are out of your mind. 

 

Making the playoffs every year is as about as reasonable an expectation as you can get. After that, everything is up for grabs. Look at this year: Maybe you'll be the Tampa Bay Lightning and get an easy first round matchup, or maybe you'll be the Chicago Blackhawks and have to face the St. Louis Blues. Would anyone here be disappointed at a first round exit with the quality of play that we saw in the Chicago/St. Louis series? I seriously hope not. Sometimes it just doesn't fall your way.

 

I don't disagree with Holland on this. 

 

Excellent post. Parity is as strong as I can ever remember. Just look at the first round, everyone was pretty ready crown either LA, Chicago, Anaheim, or Washington the champs before the playoffs started and after 1 round 3 of those 4 teams are gone. It's just a different NHL now a days.

 

Also, why is this thread even here? A link to a random/ridicoulas article about how Holland is sabotaging this team can go into one of the other million Holland sucks threads on this board.
 




#2674500 This hits the nail on the head......

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 29 April 2016 - 03:31 PM

Nope. But true. Please I am not attacking anyone personally, so don't take it that way.

No worries. I didn't feel attacked.

 

But the "excuses" comment is a general sentiment I see around here all the time. To me it says, I don't care about the real constraints with the way that the league is now, I just want cups, I want to be the dominant team that we were before the cap. To just right off these realities as 'excuses" is to not look at things realistically.




#2674479 New arena construction updates

Posted by marcaractac on 29 April 2016 - 02:25 PM

Though I've loved going to the Joe, the concourse had all the soul and atmosphere of a parking garage. I think the Joe was objectively a pretty crappy arena: inconvenient parking, trough bathrooms, UGLY from the outside, the inconvenient staircase entrance on one side, those shady portal walkways to get to the rink (went there with my Grandpa and he had trouble with the all the walking it took to get there), in a desolate part of town (maybe too harsh, but little is around it and it isn't a warm feeling part of town).

 

People learn to love those dingy aspects and call them character, but it was time for a change. History comes with time passing. I'm sure The Joe was criticized for it's modern design at some point. 

 

It seems as if the only thing about an arena Wings fans care about is the name of it. I'm glad all I give a crap about is the experience I have while I'm there. 

 

I also think the LCA is a pretty decent nickname for the place. Not the end of the world, as some make it seem. 

 

The whole thing reminds me of when a website like Facebook changes. Everyone flips out, complains for a week, then forgets about it. Come puck drop in October nobody will care any more. 




#2674448 This hits the nail on the head......

Posted by derblaueClaus on 29 April 2016 - 11:58 AM

Fixation on this "less is more" quote is too redundant.

 

It's taken completely out of context and quoted wrong. He said "less can be more exciting" and as I understood it Holland said that in regard to the league as a whole , not specifically for the Red Wings. He also made clear several times that he wants to improve the Wings, but that it is going to be difficult and a long term process. Overall the presser this year was probably the one in which he was the most critical towards the state of the team. 

 

This article is not even close hitting the nail. It's far more close to the thumb......




#2674431 This hits the nail on the head......

Posted by DatsyukianDekes on 29 April 2016 - 09:56 AM

One of the dumbest things I ever read tbh. Conspiracy theory overload.




#2674443 This hits the nail on the head......

Posted by Internet.Unknown on 29 April 2016 - 11:13 AM

Nonsense. This is why the article is a "fanpost" and not by one of the actual writers of WIIM:

 

"Lifetime fans of the organization – especially those of younger generations – no longer have confidence in the team. It’s clear that this is exactly what Holland intended"

 

Yes, Holland has intentionally sought to undermine fans' confidence in the team. Dumb fan post is dumb.




#2674441 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 29 April 2016 - 10:54 AM

Is anyone actually surprised about this? Seriously? I hate the corporate way sports has become, but it is what it is. And sadly, money rules the world. So what can we expect? Enjoy the last season at the Joe while you can. I'm looking forward to visiting the new arena just to see how it is in comparison with JLA, but while I'm sad that the new rink has a corporate name all over it, I'm not surprised in the slightest.




#2674319 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by roboturner on 28 April 2016 - 07:13 PM

Instead of The Joe the nickname will be The Dough




#2674257 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 28 April 2016 - 04:37 PM

Omg ypu people. This man bought this team and helped make them the great team they are and ypu have to ***** because it's named after his business???


#2674348 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by krsmith17 on 28 April 2016 - 08:18 PM

Yeah, sure it would be pretty cool if it were given a better name, or if it were named after one of the greats, but it's not the worst thing that could happen.

Regarding the top of the dome, if I'm not mistaken, wasn't it said that they would be able to change it for different events? Like for a concert, they could have the band logo or artists name on top, maybe they'll have the Winged Wheel up there for every game as well.

Regardless, no matter what it's called or what logo is on the top, it's not going to stop me from ever going down for a game and rooting on the Wings...


#2674121 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by marcaractac on 27 April 2016 - 10:58 PM

If anything we could use a couple more Abdelkader in the lineup. Having a guy like him on each of the top 3 lines opens up space for guys like Goose and Tats.

Why do you think they've both had down years? They've been stuck playing together too much, giving the team an easy line to play against. That's why the line centered by Sheahan was much better with Jurco on it in the past.


#2673729 Holland (selfishly) declined promotion

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 25 April 2016 - 10:32 PM

I guess I don't get the big deal about this. Why should someone have to stop doing a job they love for someone else's career?


#2673316 Potentially new GMs

Posted by kliq on 24 April 2016 - 02:25 AM

 

No argument concerning Holland's past contributions and successes, but since 2009 it's been a steady decline, and it's getting even worse now that Z, Dats, and Kronner are all in the twilight of their careers, Mike Babcock skipped town, other staff have left, he hasn't been able to sign any significant free agents, hasn't gotten lucky in the draft, has traded assets for broken down vets at the deadline who end up doing nothing to help, etc. It's time for him to move on. 

 

We are setup with a core of Larkin, AA, Mantha, DD, and Mrazek, and secondary scoring in Nyquist, Abby and Tatar, and potential prospects in Jurco and Pulkkinen. We have holes on D, but I am sure that will be addressed.

 

Its almost as if people would be happier if he were awful. I think the problem here, is people get their hopes up when we play well or appear to be a very good team, then when that reality comes crashing down after a bad loss, an early elimination etc. people get emotional and that is when you hear the "fire Holland" "fire Blashill" talk etc.

 

You have to look at this current situation as a re-build, and accept the fact they we likely wont be contenders again for a few years when Larkin and co. mature enough to lead this team.

 

I dont want anyone else right now as the GM of Detroit because who else out there has 3 cups as GM from essentially two generations of players, and has set said team up with a core of players that can hopefully lead us to another. Is it a sure thing, of course not. But, to truly assess this new crop, people need to give it time. We were contenders from 1993-2011, its just not reasonable to expect that to go forever.

 

There are no GM candidates out there that are better or more experienced then Ken Holland. But if I had to choose someone if Holland chose to step down, my choice would be Yzerman.