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#2585267 Do Maple Leaf fans deserve better?

Posted by chaps80 on Yesterday, 05:12 PM


It's actually based on a book "The Hockey Sweater" by Roch Carrier.


Famous book.  I received it as a gift when I was about 5.  Had it all my life.


Pretty sure the last Canadian $5 bill(before the switch to the current plastic ones) had a quote from that book on the back.

#2584590 3/24 GDT : Coyotes 5 at Red Wings 4 (OT)

Posted by WingsallTheway on 24 March 2015 - 08:14 PM

Absolutely clean hit on Glendenning, dont be homers


One of the nicest hits ive seen this season TBH


Skate with your head down at that height your going to get hit there first, every time. If that was dirty Kronwall shouldve been suspended for each hit hes done

#2583225 Connor McDavid

Posted by krsmith17 on 20 March 2015 - 09:28 AM

I'm sure someone is going to come along and say, "you know not every prospect works out right?"... That's the thing though, pretty much every player mentioned above is as close to a sure thing as it gets (aside from maybe Callahan). It's not like we're talking about Turgeon, Holmstrom, Tvrdon, etc. (although I don't think it's out of the question that any of these guys make it either). Sure, it's going to suck when Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Kronwall retire but we're going to be in great shape thanks to Mr. Holland.


Our defense doesn't look too bad for the future either, with DeKeyser, Smith, Ericsson, Marchenko, Ouellet, Sproul, Jensen, (Wheaton, McNulty, Nedomlel). Like I've said before though, I do believe we do need to concentrate on drafting defense in this years draft (especially the first round). 

#2583187 Connor McDavid

Posted by number9 on 19 March 2015 - 11:48 PM

All my Sabres friends talk about nothing but McDavid. They are honestly irate that Lindback has rediscovered his form since coming to Buffalo. They would rather see their once highly touted goalie fail miserably than become a valuable asset to the team. And that goes with all their young ones stepping up and playing well right now. Yet they still will only have a 20% chance a McDavid if they finish last. And therein lies the conundrum with tanking. Wishing your players to suck in order to get the greener players on the other side of the hill.


Then when they get said player they wonder why they still aren't winning and their other 22 players suck. It's madness.


For everyone who points to PIT, CHI, and tanking as the answer, I point to Detroit, Montreal, Tampa, NYR, Boston, Columbus, Edmonton, STL, Nashville, Minny, LA, SJ. For some of those smart rebuilding has worked, and the others tanking has failed. CHI and PIT are the exception, not the rule.

#2583195 Lines Thread

Posted by number9 on 20 March 2015 - 12:28 AM

Andersson gets a bad rap because he's the worst forward on the team (not counting cleary). That doesn't mean he's a bad player. He's got solid defensive smarts despite being ineffective offensively and physically. He'd be semi-decent on a lesser team


Yes, he's expendable, like Lashoff, Huskins, Gustavsson, etc. But that doesn't mean he isn't useful.

#2580671 Franzen on IR

Posted by number9 on 11 March 2015 - 12:07 PM


I get what you're saying all over this thread, and I think much of the fan-speculation is silly too. But in this day and age, given how sensitive the entire sports world is becoming to concussions for very good reason, I'd say it's a good deal less outlandish to be concerned about Franzen's 10th concussion than any given person's disc issues in their back. Back issues are serious, no doubt, but they are not at the center of numerous lawsuits and major studies in the sports world like concussions currently are, again, for very good reason.


People may very well have an anti-Franzen bias around here that colors their thoughts, and earlier in the thread you might see that I asked if their was anything said officially on the matter of Franzen potentially being done, and when there was none, I completely dismissed it and left the thread. I popped in now and again just to see if there were any real updates and eventually did learn that this is his 10th concussion, which I was unaware of beforehand.


I personally have found Franzen to be a frustrating player as time's gone on, I'll fully admit that. I don't really miss him, but I don't really wish that he was gone either. I more or less stopped caring much one way or the other, because Franzen is who he is, an occasionally brilliant and occasionally lackluster forward. At least his cap hit is pretty cheap relative to today's market, so it's tough to complain too much. That's what I think.


That said, I read that this is his 10th concussion and I have to say I immediately started worrying about the guy. The reality of the matter is concussions are quite serious, and while he likely will be able to come back from this, there's going to be a part of me that's concerned for the guy's long term health. As frustrating as he can be as a player to some, and as underrated as he is considered to others, he's still a person who's had a lot of concussions, and that's just not a good thing to put it simply.


It's silly to be arguing about whether he should or shouldn't come back, let alone whether he will or won't. It's a waste of energy. If people want to waste energy, a better way to do it would be to simply express hope that whatever Franzen decides to do, he won't have any long-term issues from all of these concussions. At the end of the day, that's what really matters, and the rest is out of our hands anyways.


Just because concussions have been sensationalized by lawsuits and former enforcer suicides, doesn't take away from the severity of chronic spinal and shoulder injury. Nathan Horton is latest to have his career end early because of this issue.


My issue is the double standard.


The reaction to Zetterberg being out is "I hear it's his back again, I hope it's not bad"

The reaction to Franzen being out is "I don't expect to see him play ever again, he should seriously consider retirement"


There is a lot more going on there than just the injury.

#2572562 Do we need to add grit?

Posted by rick zombo on 19 February 2015 - 11:28 PM

Also known as sissy hockey which doesn't get teams far in the playoffs (if they make it).

Still clinging to that dream of them missing the playoffs eh?

#2572580 TSN: Winnipeg, Toronto and Edmonton top NTC lists

Posted by kliq on 20 February 2015 - 02:45 AM



Maybe this finally gets the media to rethink their behaviour. It's no wonder that player don't want to play under that constant microscope or in a city where they can't order anything I'd they don't speak French. Winnipeg is a but surprising to me small town with a family feeling and an almost packed ring every time. Also some of the comments are disgusting and these fans are wondering why nobody wants to play there..lol

Maybe treating the players with class and having respect for their privacy would be a nice start? I mean if both teams were equally bad I'd still rather play for a team like the Ducks - coming from someone who lives as cold as possible winners! - with no media instead of the 24/7 going shows Toronto and Montreal..who wouldn't.



The media in TO is definitely brutal, they definitely make it harder on the team. I remember when Reimer was talking about how is wife was getting hateful tweets from fans. Just horrible.


Are you seriously criticizing people in Montreal for speaking french? Do you think that french Canadian players shouldn't play in Detroit because they have to speak English? Have you ever been to Montreal? You can get by speaking English.

#2571847 Team next season?

Posted by DickieDunn on 18 February 2015 - 07:52 PM

Kindl out for a rookie.
Cleary out.
Pulkinnen in.
Gustavsson out for Mrazek.
Andersson maybe out.

Anyone wanting a lot of changes is going to be disappointed.

#2571412 Next Number to be retired

Posted by kliq on 17 February 2015 - 02:46 AM


Like I said both players (Z and Pasha) should be honored in some form but rafters alongside such alltime greats may be pushing it, which really isn't a knock against either one the bar is so incredible high - as it should be - I really believe it will be a long time till we see someone getting this honor again.


Datsyuk's accomplishments as a Wing: (to date)


- 13 Years as a Wing

- 4 All Star Games

- 2 Stanley Cups

- 4 Lady Byng's

- 3 Selke's

- 1 Plus/Minus award

- Highest Points total 97 (in 07/08 & 08/09) (Both years 4th in the league)

- 6th most points as a Wing all time with 846 Points

- The best forward on our team from 2004-Present (11 years!)

- Not to mention quite possibly the most gifted player of all time when it comes to the things he can do with the puck



#2571256 Next Number to be retired

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 16 February 2015 - 09:17 PM

Osgood won the Cup as a starter twice, ten years apart, under two different coaches, systems, and teams (with totally different core players).  The "we could have won with anybody" argument doesn't hold water because it makes it seem like he just got that one right in the middle of a dynasty, and then never did s*** again.  Fun fact, he outplayed Dominik Hasek to get his second Cup. 


Osgood was a system goalie only if you mean that regardless of the system, time, players, and coach, he was perfect for the system he was in. 


But I'm happy that GMRwings brought this up.  Because it's a perfect example of what I'm talking about.  The only arguments against Osgood are dumb ones. 


Get off your pony.  I didn't say he sucked.  I just don't think his number belongs up there with the other players the Wings have in the rafters.  Most posters here and most knowledgeable hockey people would agree with me that Osgood isn't a Sawchuk or a Lindsey or a Lidstrom.    


I also don't seem him being in the HHOF.  Osgood is a very good goalie that will never be considered an elite goalie.  He was never one of the two or three best goalies in the league.  He never won the Vezina.  Hell, I think he was only top 3 in Vezina voting once in his career.  He is above most of his peers, but below the top echelon of his peers like Hasek, Roy, Brodeur and Belfour.  Some would rank him below Cujo as well, despite the latter's lack of team accomplishments.    


His numbers are impressive and reflect a great career, but much in the same way that Dave Andreychuk's numbers or Dino Ciccarelli's numbers reflect a great career. Yet, those guys are unable to crack the HHOF or be considered among the greatest forwards in league history. It's not just about numbers.


But hey, those are all dumb arguments, because kipwinger doesn't like them.   :rolleyes:   Let's retire Ozzie number and proclaim him a top 10 all time goalie.  

#2571650 Does Kenny Hate Mickey?

Posted by number9 on 18 February 2015 - 08:23 AM

I get it, it's sacrilege to say anything bad about the best announcer EVAR!!!! because he's been in the booth forever.  That doesn't change the fact that by the third period he sounds like you're sitting next to him in a bar.  He's not as good as he used to be, and a lot of times he seems to fall into complaining about the refs and weak penalties, chuckling when the Wings get away with something he'd yell at the refs for, dropping a catch phrase, complaining about broken sticks, and waxing nostalgic about the good old days when you showed respect for another guy by "feeding him some lumber" when he was going to hit you.  He's better between periods, but during the game I think he's slipping.  If you disagree, or want to just say "It's Mickey and he's awesome and if you don't like it go piss up a rope," fine.


BTW, Madden was bad his last couple years, and Pat Summerall was the boozer in that duo.


Those are your words, not mine. But I must say, you have a knack for exaggeration.


So complaining about the refs and broken sticks, chuckling when the wings don't get called, using a catch phrase, and talking about past hockey? I'm starting to think you don't know what a drunk is, or at least what one sounds like.

#2569615 What should we do with the Monster?

Posted by rick zombo on 10 February 2015 - 01:16 PM

That Mrazek kid is getting so overrated wow. Kid has 0 playoff experience and still needs to work on things and yet some people would prefer him as a number 1..


What's the rush send him back to the minors, let Mrazek work on his rebound control, over committing and once the off-season roles around see where he is at and decide whether to keep or trade the monster then or package Mrazek to improve the defense Thomas was the best goalie in the league back then and Rask already on the verge of becoming elite..


So that comparison is too much. Nabakov Niemi - I'm sure there better examples - would be close.


Unlike Mike McKee. He's so underrated.

#2570227 2/11 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Penguins 4

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 11 February 2015 - 11:51 PM

Just got back from the game.  Tough to be a road fan for that one.  We didn't have much life in the beginning and when Mrazek gave up that goal two minutes in, I thought "Crap, he's going to have one of THOSE kind of games isn't he?".  He was having issues with the puck, the defense wasn't really helping much at all.  We didn't show any signs of life till the third.  Despite getting creamed by the Pens, I still had a pretty decent night at the game.  The Pens fans gave me a lot of ribbing, but not mean spirited by any means.  The guy behind my 7 year old was very vocal for the whole game and he bought my son an ice cream when the Pens made 4-0.  I met a ton of Wings fans there and they were all cool.  I guess that's how it is when you're a fan of the road team, anyone wearing the same color as you, is now your friend. lol  The highlight of my night was the pregame warm up.  We got right up to the glass and Luke Glendening slammed himself right into the glass and bumped into my son startling him and the look on his face was priceless.  I think Luke did it on purpose too.  So while it wasn't the outcome I was hoping for, it was still pretty fun.  I rarely get to see the Wings up close (this is only my 6th game in 29 years of being a fan) so that's always a treat.  Next game I go to though, I want to be at the Joe.  Surround myself with some Wings fans for a change. lol



#2568914 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 06 February 2015 - 01:13 PM

The only word I've seen associated with Stafford in the past few years is Lazy.


Now I don't watch a lot of Buffalo games, so I'm no expert on the guy.  


But that doesn't sound like Abby.  Who knows though....


Maybe he just needs a fresh start?  Buy low?  Could pay off.


Over the years I've watched him pretty regularly.  Previously, I had a roommate from Buffalo for several years and watched most games with him.  I was always impressed by Stafford's willingness to play in the dirty areas and his ability to physically stand up to bigger, tougher, players.  Because I was familiar with him, once I heard he was on the block I began to pay attention to him again and my opinion hasn't changed.  He's got Helm/Abby levels of production this year, and is the primary offensive threat on his line.  As a third option (behind Pav and Tats) on a line, I think he'd excel.  He's still in his prime and is definitely more offensively capable than Helm. 


Nobody needs to agree or anything.  I just think he'd help.  Like I said, Pav's line is really good and all, but I worry that they're too one dimensional.  I'd really like a guy on that line that can score in the crease.  Stafford can, and wouldn't be too expensive.