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#2541679 Weiss

Posted by 13dangledangle on 17 October 2014 - 10:20 AM

Not a chance. Weissy will be Weissy until he doesn't play like one

If you're going to sign every post can you just make it part of your signature so people have a choice to view it? Thanks.

You can do that? I use tap talk, it used to say "posted using tap talk". I like the dangle better, but nonetheless I'll see what I can do, and until next time...


#2540596 Babcock " I dont think it will be my final year here"

Posted by kliq on 14 October 2014 - 02:29 AM


Drafting is one thing, but look at the guy's record with free agents lately. You really want to defend him there? And for the record, outside players we bring in through free-agency or trade is what was being referenced, not the drafting and development system. Drafting I think is the one area that most everyone agrees that Holland/the organization has a good handle on. I don't think Babcock has any sort of a problem with the guys we develop either, clearly. If anything, I'd say it's quite the opposite. He seems more pissed he can't bring up the people he wants from GR because Holland has made so many terrible moves in free agency the last few years, which again, was the point of the post you replied to.


And so again, I ask, do you really want to defend Holland's work in the free agency market lately?


Personally, I don't think it matters who the coach is when you look at many of those deals; they were just bad deals. Too many guys have been signed for too much money that just should not have been signed at all, especially when you're a GM that constantly whines about not wanting to overpay for premium talent.


You talk of having the same philosophy for 20 years, but when it comes to building a team, it's a different world in the cap era than it was 20 years ago. You can still draft and develop the same as you always have, because that's all the more important in the cap era, but how you acquire outside talent is a whole new game. You can't just throw money and tradition at the problem anymore. And really, any way you shake it, Holland has clearly struggled with acquiring outside talent in the cap era, especially as time has gone on and the realities of the cap started to weigh down on the team. Hell, what seemed like a big win in getting Weiss has been nothing but ugly thus far, and given the slew of signings that preceded that deal, you've got to stop and ask some serious questions about Holland's strategies with outside acquisition if you're going to be at all objective. It's a very, very, very reasonable thing to question and be concerned about at this point, if you're not just flat out fed up with it already. 


I think the "ineffectiveness" of Holland signing free agents is greatly exaggerated. People have very short memories, its as if Weiss and Alfie never came here. Weiss being injured last year some how dismisses the he came here in the eyes of some. In the case of Alfie, he left a team he played on for almost 2 decades and turned down a reported offer from the Bruins to come here. But since he is older, again, people dismiss it, regardless of the outcomes, they were top UFA's 15months ago, and we got them.


Losing out on Boyle (wanted to play with St. Louis), Erhoff (lost out on to an elite team), Nitkansen (Wsh offered more $$/stupid contract and he had ties), and Suter (wanted to be closer to his family) does not mean we are horrible at signing free agents. Its a different NHL in 2014, and when a top UFA becomes available, its not simply a handful of teams that are trying to sign him, you are competing against potentially 29 other teams. Once you take into consideration that the free agent pools now a days are generally weak and that lately where a player signs seems to be coming down the city that the player has personal ties in its extremely hard to sign big time free agents. I'm not saying the Wings couldn't do better, but to imply that Holland is weak in this area I believe is an overreaction.


Criticizing the Weiss signing is very unfair, Holland had no way of predicting the groin injury as he had no major prior history. His only major injury was a broken wrist which should not follow someone once its fully healed.


Also, one point people have a tendency of overlooking when it comes to Holland/Free agents, is the amount of free agents he retains. The guys rarely loses superstars not named Hossa. Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall, Lidstrom etc. all had a chance to walk, but instead resigned. You have to remember, every time a team gains in free agency, another team loses, and while Detroit has not necessarily been gaining a ton lately, they have not been losing either. I am also glad Holland is not making crippling moves in free agency like a lot of teams out there. Some of the contracts being given out are absolutely terrible.


Other then the Quincey signing, and Cleary promise last year (which isn't that bad given his 2012 playoffs), I think Holland has done a fine job overall in the past few years in regards to free agents.  

#2539720 10/9 GDT : Bruins 1 at Red Wings 2.

Posted by krsmith17 on 10 October 2014 - 12:15 PM

Dominator, why would you split up our top 4 from last night? Both pairings were great. Kronwall and Ericsson have proven chemistry together and DeKeyser and Smith looked awesome together.


The pairings within a few weeks "should" look like this in my opinion...


Kronwall - Ericsson

DeKeyser - Smith

Ouellet - Quincey


#2539151 10/9 GDT : Bruins 1 at Red Wings 2.

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 08 October 2014 - 09:47 PM

I'll have an updated version with Boston's stats from tonight's game tomorrow, but for now, GO WINGS!!!!

#2538932 Blast from the Past

Posted by 13dangledangle on 07 October 2014 - 05:33 PM

I love your user name even more, so awesome! And another Ontario native none the less ~13dangledangle~

#2538859 Krys Barch unloads his frustrations

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 07 October 2014 - 03:57 PM


Who wouldn't ? Miller brings nothing to the table, Orr is as tough as they come and Toottoo while not as tough will hit everything that moves.

If I'm Malkin, Stamkos, or any skilled player - my team is on the PP - I'd much prefer playing against a penalty killing TooToo or Orr than Miller.

#2538863 Krys Barch unloads his frustrations

Posted by kipwinger on 07 October 2014 - 04:00 PM

I'm sure Drew Miller would prefer to play against Krys Barch 82 games a year too.  Who wouldn't want to line up across from a guy who can barely skate and only has a rudimentary understanding of how to actually play the game of hockey? 

So...How about the other 2 guys that make up the 4th line...They kill penalty's too?


Glendening and Andersson?  Yes, yes they do. 

#2538806 23 man roster set... say hi to your 2014/15 Wings

Posted by rick zombo on 07 October 2014 - 02:00 PM

Oulette needs to be with the Wings.  Simple as that.


No s***. It's like Holland's driving a car with two bald rear tires but refuses to change them becasue then they'll go to waste.

#2538623 Callahan, Ferraro and Porter placed on Waivers

Posted by number9 on 06 October 2014 - 06:52 PM

I still want revenge for the abuse Pasha took, period. It shouldn't have been up to a guy like Sam to do that stuff, if McKee would be in the AHL call him up but he isn't so using a guy for 5 minutes if needed, is not the worst thing in the world.
Hockey isn't soccer but with the way the game is changing, rats taking over and divers all over the place it's getting closer..which isn't a good thing for guys who like real hockey.
Callahan may be an agitator but he isn't a pure rat like Marchand, Burrows

Me too. Revenge is a must. Dishing out a clean hit must be paid for in blood.

#2538539 Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

Posted by rick zombo on 06 October 2014 - 11:12 AM


You mean fourth line winger.  Babs actually had him playing on Glendening's wing lol. 


Babcock would probably move Crosby to Glendennings wing. #realgud

#2538729 Blast from the Past

Posted by rrasco on 07 October 2014 - 11:03 AM

Oh, now I get it, London Lions. :thumbup:

#2538706 Blast from the Past

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 07 October 2014 - 09:37 AM

Your dads mustache game is amazing.
Thanks for sharing BTW.
That's really damn cool.

I looked him up and was reading a bit on him, "a slick playmaking center"


#2538702 Blast from the Past

Posted by rrasco on 07 October 2014 - 09:22 AM

So you really are a son of a Wing.  That's effin cool, man...


Are these all him?







#2538573 Holland interview with Mickey comment about a trade

Posted by Nev on 06 October 2014 - 02:55 PM

I think the issue is that some people act like the Legwand deal represents Holland's career personified. Like the guy can't be trusted to make another trade or run his team. That's the issue for me anyway. There weren't nearly as many theads and posts praising Holland in 08 as there have been ones bashing him this summer and so far this fall. I know it's the nature of sports and sports fans, but I grow weary.
Case in point.

Well I wasn't on the forum in 08, but I suspect that there weren't too many people complaining about anything that season.  So I'd be really shocked if there were a bunch of Holland bashing threads back then.  In general my guess is that when the team is bad, people complain.  And when the team is good, they praise...Mike Babcock. 

You would be wrong. 2007-8 was one long bitchfest, mainly about how the team was too soft to compete in the playoffs. When people weren't bitching about the lack of fighters, there were endless threads about our sucktacular goaltending as Hasek and Osgood fanboys took turns in deriding the other goaltender as an over the hill fruitcake, or as never good enough in the first place.

The month of February saw us decimated by injuries, with a 1st pairing of Lilja-Lebda. Nevertheless, the associated slump in results was proof positive for all the Chicken Lickens that the team was not good enough to win the cup.

Trade deadline day was an orgy of Holland hate. The announcement of the Stuart trade, coming after the deadline had passed, meant that the outright fury was only quelled down to a sullen, grudging "OK , I guess that'll do", but prior to that not even the Cleary re-signing generated so much HOLLAND YOU SUCK!!!!

Being 3-0 up against the Stars and them coming back to 3-2 was further proof positive that this team wasn't good enough to win the cup.

Not to mention, we had Eva Unit Zero and his always entertaining mental gymnastics bemoaning the under utilisation of Jiri Hudler, and how Hudler was a better player than Messier etc etc, if only we used Hudler more.....

Finally, we had Mindfly. If you weren't here for it, it would be hard for you to understand just how overwhelmingly negative he was. Every loss, every goal against, every shot against, every icing, every lost faceoff was evidence of what a truly terrible team we had, how Holland should be fired, and the whole team traded for prospects and picks. After every loss he would pop up, preaching his gospel of doom and gloom. Thankfully we won a lot that year. I think us winning game 6 in Pittsburgh was probably the worst night of his life.

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#2538565 Callahan, Ferraro and Porter placed on Waivers

Posted by Bolgar on 06 October 2014 - 02:21 PM

McGrattan and score goals?? Seriously? The guy has 300+ games in the NHL and freaking 10 (ten) goals. That's what - 1 goal in 30 games. Goons like him don't belong to NHL anymore. Hell, Tie Domi has 100+ goals in 1000+ games - 3 more per game, and he never was accounted as goal scoring toughguy

Edit. 3 times more of course

Edit 2. And having a tough guy in the opposition team never stopped Cooke from headhunting on Savard, or Pronger from trying to knee Stevie, or Stevens crushing Lindros et cetera.