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#2614124 The return of The Mule?

Posted by number9 on 12 June 2015 - 12:31 PM

Thank you. No team physician can rule out the long term risks here. Not sure what a "shroud of caring is" since I think most fans are genuinely concerned for his long term health, even if we arent all personal friends of Mule or anyone else. It's called being a halfway decent human being, even online. 


It's probably the whole "he's worthless, buy him out, trade em for a bag of pucks, just get him off the roster" rhetoric that has gone on for years. Now that he's hurt some people act like they want him to get healthy and come back, but bc they 'care' about him soooo much, they think he should hang him up. As if they don't want him to hang them up for other reasons as well.

I have no doubt ppl feel for him as one human to another, but you can see how it comes off as a "shroud of caring". Some of these caring souls having been bashing him and begging to be rid of him for years. They may finally get their wish.


#2613280 Time for an offer sheet?

Posted by Richdg on 05 June 2015 - 04:04 PM

 

Is Hamilton really worth $7M?  Blows my mind an RFA is commanding this type of money.  I knew he was good, but not *that* good.

Petry just got 5.5 million per to resign. Hamilton is a much better player and younger than Petry. One is a 25 point per year RHed D and the other is a 40+ point per year RHed D. 6 years difference in age as well. No one is worth it, but that is the market.


With the expected cap increase and LTIR for Savard, they'll have about $10-11M in space. Tight but I still bet they'd match. Most of the spots they have to fill can be filled cheaply. Plus they could opt to move Lucic and/or Eriksson.

 

Moot point though, as we do not have our 3rd rounder in 2016. We'd have to trade for that pick back (not just any third, our own) before we could even submit an offer.

That is correct. Holland has 25 days to work out a deal with NJ to get our 2016 pick back. That is all it would take. A Tvrdon for the pick type of deal should make it happen.

 

But lets dream for a minute.....

dekeyser-hamilton

Kronwall-Ericsson

Oullett-marchenko

Lashoff

 

That is a very good BL corp and we would still have more BL prospects coming and all of our best F prospects. Not to mention about 10 million more in cap space after trading KFQ.




#2610426 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by marcaractac on 26 May 2015 - 07:02 PM

Hey everyone, I would like to see a few things up that should of have happened the season before this one. 1) Get rid of Holland or demote him to a position in the organization where he has no input on signing, advising, or can even make a freaking suggestion about a player!. 2) Do whatever to send Weiss on his way and get rid of that ridiculous contract he has if we can't get rid of him and shed the full contract do something to at least shed off at the worst case half of it. 3) Sign a right handed defense-men who can make a impact, gritty up in your face and can hang with opposing teams top guys. 4) Trade Jimmy asap! dude sucks and is not anywhere near " Starting Goalie " status. Let the young gun Mrazek take over and make him the official #1 net minder.  I am at the point after this most recent first round exit to say screw making the playoffs every year just so we can say we have the longest active streak of playoff appearances in north american sports. Last time i check the point of playing the game was to win the cup, not keep making the playoffs every year just to get knocked out in the first round! It's time for a big shake up in Hockeytown like it or not. The time is now!! I wanna see my Wings hoisting cups again! 

 

You lost me at #1. 




#2610376 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 26 May 2015 - 09:56 AM

I honestly wouldn't be at all surprised if the Griffins win 4 straight, taking the series in 5. I think we're much deeper up front (GRG - 3.5 GF/G vs UTI - 2.2 GF/G) and better on the back end as well, but we lose in the goaltending battle (GRG - 2.9 GA/G, UTI - 2.2 GA/G). We have much better special teams (GRG - 25%PP, UTI - 14.8%PP / GRG - 84.1%PK, UTI - 77.2%PK). Markstrom is the better goalie, but since those first two goals against McCollum, he has looked very solid. They finished 3 points ahead in the regular season but with the additions of Larkin and Bertuzzi, I think that puts us over the top.


#2608234 2015 Draft

Posted by number9 on 17 May 2015 - 09:39 PM

I do think helm and abdelkader will be resigned and be life long wings ... I think miller will/should be gone when his contract ends ... I'd personally replace him now with a bigger body on the 4th to go with glendening and Ferraro next season (I know it won't happen though)

 

I think everyone underestimates what Miller does for this team. If he was expendable we would have traded him over Eaves (eaves being RH). I love me some Miller time.




#2607958 What's our draft position this year? And best defensemen available

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 15 May 2015 - 11:26 AM

My god what's so hard to understand about fans wanting local heroes ?


What's hard to understand is that you're stating that "fans" want this with no proof of that even being the case. You, frankgrimes, may want this, but that doesn't mean that everyone or even a minute cross section of the fans of any given team want this. I would agree with others above that for anyone who is not xenophobic, icing the *best possible team* regardless of country of origin is the most important thing. Also, as previously pointed out, the Wings *have* multiple players from the area on the team. Now, I was born and raised in MI and this means nothing more to me than a Pierre McGuire interesting trivia tidbit. Nothing. Are they good players who complement the team? Great. If it does mean something to someone else, great. You got it.

TL;DR this isn't a thing. Stop trying to convince us that it is a thing, and that we all want it.


#2607041 2015 Draft

Posted by krsmith17 on 10 May 2015 - 07:04 PM

Werenski would be awesome but I don't see him dropping that much. Either way, we need to take a defenseman in the first round, if possible.


#2606830 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by number9 on 08 May 2015 - 09:50 PM

 

I agree 100%. My post was directed at us using Blashill 100%, and if Holland goes and signs anyone else my god...


 

Not yet. Holland hasn't stopped pumping the tires. The Locker Room interview, he said we were leaking oil.

 

Is our team af****** car?

 

It is the motor city... and we do have a tire for a logo lol




#2606760 DRW Free Agents / Salary Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 08 May 2015 - 02:07 PM

Ribeiro never really dipped and you can't claim a resurgence under Laviolette. he had 49pts in 48 games in the lockout shortened 12-13. He had one down season in 13-14, but that could be explained by the fact that he was playing for the coyotes. That season is also complicated by the fact that he apparently had some issues with alcohal/partying which lead to him being bought out.

 

Forsberg just played his first full year so I would think it more plausible that he was getting used to the league in previous years. 

 

Fair points. If you're ready to attribute Nashville's increase in offense to predominantly those two guys, that's fine.  It doesn't negate the underlying point I was making, which is that coaching style/system can have a significant impact on the productivity of a team. 

 

Perhaps a better example is how Pittsburgh was significantly better (and won a Cup) after they fired Therrien and hired Bylsma mid season.  St. Louis improved dramatically after hiring Hitchcock mid-season.  Anaheim did the same when they hired Boudreau mid-season and got rid of Carlyle.  Los Angeles improved, AND won the Cup after firing Murray and replacing him with Sutter mid-season.  In each instance the roster was essentially the same.  In each instance the team was significantly better afterward. 

 

Having the right coach for the right roster is critical.  Babs is a really good coach.  With a different roster he'd have more success.  Hell, he had quite a lot of success with our previous roster.  But with our current group of guys, he hasn't shown that he can take them to the next level.  If we don't consider the possibility that maybe there's a better fit, then the only other option is to tear the team down and rebuild one that Babs can win with.  Which is totally unrealistic, and also totally unnecessary.  Particularly given the fact that we've already got a coach in the system who knows how to win with our current guys. 




#2606754 DRW Free Agents / Salary Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 08 May 2015 - 01:39 PM

 

Which is exactly my point.  One of those guys is a rookie, and the other is a 35 year old goofball who's career was in the toilet prior to coming to Nashville.  Yet both produced significantly better than expected this year.  Why?  Either because Forsberg is some otherworldly rookie who's a superstar in the making (he's not) and Ribiero experienced some sort of personal renaissance (he didn't).  Or because Peter Laviolette's style of hockey maximizes the scoring potential of the guys who play in it.

 

Conversely, the Red Wings had a healthy Dats and Z all season AND got career years out of Nyquist, Tatar, Helm, and Abby and we were a worse scoring team (even strength) than they were a year ago.    


 

Nashville got less production out of Neal than they got out of Hornqvist the year before under Trotz, but the teams overall production rose under Laviolette.  They got signficantly less when you factor in Spaling's production as well. 

 

But I agree, he is a giant ******. 

Ribeiro never really dipped and you can't really claim a resurgence under Laviolette. he had 49pts in 48 games in the lockout shortened 12-13. He had one down season in 13-14 with 47pts in 80gp, but that could be explained by the fact that he was playing for the coyotes, who were a worse team than the Predators or The Caps. That season is also complicated by the fact that he apparently had some issues with alcohal/partying which lead to him being bought out.

 

Forsberg just played his first full year so I would think it more plausible that he was getting used to the league in his 18 games of the 2 preceding years. 




#2606743 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 08 May 2015 - 12:54 PM

Of course he could just be saying that. He could also *not* just be saying that. My point is that speculation based on bones that are getting thrown to the media is futile. Maybe he'll leave. Maybe he'll stay. We won't know until we know. I'm not hanging my hat on anything that's said until that statement is "Mike Babcock has/has not re-signed with Detroit."


#2606001 Call Out the NHL on BS

Posted by kliq on 04 May 2015 - 08:37 PM

For me it is really simple I know what I like and I also happen to know what I dislike/hate and one of these things is change for the sake of changes. For decades ! hockey has been seen as a niche sport for a niche audience and there is nothing wrong with that, so why not play to the strength of an already established audience of fans ?! I don't care if some people are turned off by physicality, fights or tight defensive systems because if they are guess what ? Watch something else that's the beauty of choice.

 

When players are reaching the point where they don't even know what is and what isn't a penalty and what leads to a suspension and what doesn't then the league does much bigger problems than putting out some pro-made videos trying to find reasons for suspensions. I don't care if it's understandable for me but the point is it should be understandable for the players, coaches and GMs because they are the product so to speak. I've said it before and I'll sayit again there are so many advantages of being and niche sport and having that audience basically locked up (I mean 3 lockouts and some fans went right back to paying for NHL stuff again), so why not do the things the existing things want and expect ?

 

If things I happen to like are changing for the worse damn right I'll call the responsible people out for that especially if they don't have any skill nor respect for that great game of icehockey.

 

The NHL isnt toning down on this because fans are "turned off". They are toning down on it because of research on head trauma, and lawsuits from former players.

 

You can also make the same argument the other way:

 

"I don't care if some people are turned off by the lack of physicality or fights because if they are guess what ? Watch something else that's the beauty of choice".
 




#2605874 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 04 May 2015 - 07:23 AM

I've watched a lot of Griffins this season (40-50 games) and I watched all 5 games of the first round against the Marlies, and one thing is for sure, this team is legit. Even with them being down 2-0 in the series, I had a strong feeling that they would come back to Grand Rapids and win the series. After they lost game 1, I made a bet with my two jackass Leafs friends that they would win the series. I ended up winning two cases of beer last night. :cool:

 

All of this talk about our center depth and no one has mentioned Tomas Nosek? He was without question, one of our best players in the first round. He's a big body, that protects the puck as well as anyone, and has very deceptive foot speed and hands. He flat out makes things happen in the offensive zone. Last night he split two defenders, dangled around a third man back, waited out the goaltender and feathered a beautiful pass over to Hoggan for the wide open net. Unfortunately Hoggan ended up hitting the post on the play, but nevertheless it was highlight reel material. I'm not saying he will do that at the NHL level but the skill is definitely there and the kid is still only 22 years old, in his first season of North American pro hockey. I think the potential of him making it as a 2nd/3rd line center is definitely there.

 

Pulkkinen has also been very good, but it kind of worries me a little that he still does his one go-to move; walks in over the blue line, puts on the breaks and winds up for the holy slapper. Sure, it works in the AHL but it clearly doesn't at the NHL level. I know he won't ever be the type of player that dangles past defenders but I think he needs a little more than that shot to make it in the NHL as anything more than a 3rd line winger / power-play specialist. In saying that, I don't think 15 goals on the power-play alone is out of reach next season if the Wings would actually use him correctly (ala Stamkos / Ovechkin, hovering around the left faceoff dot).

 

Despite Pulkkinen's huge numbers, I think the best player in Grand Rapids is Athanasiou. The kid is electrifying and is dangerous any time he's on the ice with that blazing speed. The comparison to Fedorov, although it may sound a little far fetched right now, I don't think it's out of the question either. Some of the similarities in their games are definitely there. The way they can take over a game with their speed, their hands, their size, etc. No, I don't think Andreas is going to put up 120 points in a season the way Sergei did, but I do think a few 80-90 point seasons at the NHL level could be within reach. People seem to forget that he is only 20 years old and in his first pro season. He has had a smoother transition from junior to pro than any prospect we've seen in our system in a looong time.

 

Bertuzzi is looking great as well, and although I thought he may max out as a 3rd or a very good 4th liner at the NHL level, I don't think the top 6 is out of the question. He's looking like he could potentially mature into a bigger Marchand type of player. I do still think 3rd/4th line duty is most likely, especially with our depth on the wings, but he continues to impress and exceed expectations at every level.

 

It is still mind boggling to me that Frk is once again out of the lineup. I thought he played great down the stretch in the regular season and in the first two games of the series (despite being losses). I guess it wasn't the worst decision to take him out, since the team rallied back and won the series but I do think he is an upgrade over a couple players in the lineup. One being Hirschfeld (the guy that got the game winner last night...) and the other one being Porter. It seems like he is getting the Weiss treatment, in that he can produce all he wants but he'll still be yanked from the lineup the first chance the coach gets...

 

Ouellet and Marchenko have looked very solid on the defensive side of the puck and are putting up some points as well, which is great to see. I found it to be extremely odd timing when Sproul was hauled from the lineup, as game 3 was by far his best performance of the 3 playoff games. I thought he had a very rough game 1, a solid game 2 and a great game 3. I would have much rather seen Lashoff or Evans out when Marchenko returned rather than Sproul, but again, they won, so you can't really complain with the result...

 

All in all, very impressive squad, and I think another Calder Cup could be going back to GR next month... :champs:




#2605836 DRW Free Agents / Salary Thread

Posted by wings87 on 03 May 2015 - 11:18 PM

No sarcasm. Even with those contracts we're in great shape.


You're right. Maybe it's the mood of the board of late, but it seems sarcasm is running rampant. Getting tough to tell the differance sometimes.


#2605829 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 03 May 2015 - 10:47 PM

Couldn't this go in the "Things you'd like to see thread..."? Trying to follow two threads on the same topic is so confusing.

My thoughts exactly, merged them together. 

 

Let's keep like topics consolidated in the same thread, regardless if the offseason is generally a slower time of year for the forums here.