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#2555864 Jimmy sucks in a shootout Howard

Posted by Echolalia on 11 December 2014 - 05:28 PM

I've still been waiting for someone to explain to me how it's totally acceptable to call out Ericsson for a giveaway that led to a goal, but if anybody brings up Howard doing the same thing they're just a "hater/basher".


I'm pretty sure it was the same game too. Ericsson in the 1st period, Howie later in the same game.


Then of course there is this article about the quality of Jimmy Howard's starts: http://www.wingingit...-quality-starts


One of the stats....Really Bad Starts!


I'm sure you guys will head over there and tell them how it's all bulls*** cuz it's just a made up stat and all...


Anyway, anybody wanna answer my question? I'd seriously love to have an answer.


Of course its totally acceptable to call out anyone who gives the puck away and it leads to a goal.  Everyone does it reguarly in the GDT, including when Howard does it.  Hell, this whole thread was made to bash Howard in the shootout and here we all are.  As far as I'm aware, nobody ever bashed on you or your posts for doing that.  What people disagree with is relying on a "statistic" that is entirely subjective as an objective way to rate a goalie, especially when its clear that you're not interested in comparing him to the rest of the league, but rather trying to paint him in a bad light.  "Bad pass" was never defined, neither were a handful of other statistics that you came up with.  Who decides what pass is considered "bad" or not?  You?  And even if you came to some objective way to quantify a bad pass goal, there exists absolutely zero data on any other goaltender in the history of the NHL in these statistical categoreis, so any values that are obtained, whether objective or otherwise, still have no value because there's no way to define what's considered an acceptable range/poor range for bad pass goals or whatever else you were looking at.  Maybe Howard actually has the best bad pass goals against in the league.  But all you were interested in was counting how many times he let those goals in, and not determining how that value compared to other goalies.  As for the next part of your post, wherein you bring up "really bad starts" from that website:  Its a s***ty name for a statistic (and it also made me lol), but in the website they clearly quantify "really bad start" as "A performance where the goaltender failed to attain even an .850 save percentage."  That's objective.  Under their definition, nobody can argue whether Howard has a "really bad start" or not.  The author of that post is also using his statistics to compare different starts of Howard throughout a season/career and then coming up with a conclusion after the values have been analyzed. What he didn't do is come to his conclusion first, then make up stats to try to support his predetermined conclusion.


ANYWAY I think Howard's problem is just as psychological as the rest of the Wings at this point.  They all expect to lose, and teams that verse us in the SO expect to win.  And it shows in their body language.  We aren't seeing those creative dekes (or any dekes), and everyone is more comfortable just shooting the puck. I'm not a goalie so I don't know how to read a goalie's body language as well, but I imagine that Howard isn't playing the shootout with a lot of confidence right now.  Maybe that means he's playing too tight to the net, or he's trying to react instead of predict too much, or vice versa.  All I know is that he hasn't always been this poor.

#2555983 Babcock "I don't think it will be my final year here"

Posted by krsmith17 on 12 December 2014 - 01:36 PM

Oooh so that's how it works... That's why there are so many negative posters on here... I get it now...


Always look at the glass half empty so that there are no let downs, just pleasant surprises... Gotcha.

#2554940 Mantha getting closer.

Posted by Echolalia on 08 December 2014 - 05:09 PM

The Sharks gave up a 3 on none from the blue line last night to the oilers and they never made a pass and missed the net


Everything about this sentence is blowing my mind

#2554900 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by rick zombo on 08 December 2014 - 02:53 PM

This just proves they teach kids nothing in Canada besides hockey and pro wrestling.   :lol:


Which would mean that our kids learn two more things than the average American :lol:

#2554880 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by marcaractac on 08 December 2014 - 02:02 PM

This just proves they teach kids nothing in Canada besides hockey and pro wrestling.   :lol:


Slap shots and elbow drops. weeooooooooooooooooooooo

Toronto has a basketball team?


If you look at the standings, they are basically the opposite of where the Pistons are  :ninja:

#2554856 Senators fire head coach MacLean

Posted by rick zombo on 08 December 2014 - 01:05 PM



Are the Sens delusional about what kind of team they have? They have a sub-500 record (counting SO loses). IMO, that's exactly where they should be, give or take.


I don't know if there's any coach that's available that could do more with that team.


Regardless, unless they hire Lanny MacDonald, fan dude there behind the bench/glass is going to have to shave now.

#2554826 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by The Greek on 08 December 2014 - 12:23 PM

Besides Mandela was a communist and a criminal to the state.  He was arrested numorous times for sedious activities and tried for treason.

What's your opinion on guys like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, or John Adams?

#2553876 Babcock "I don't think it will be my final year here"

Posted by marcaractac on 04 December 2014 - 08:53 PM


Whatever krsmith17.  We now know all you folks from Paradise for what you really are....


Cocaine fueled, money laundering, handgun wielding criminals! 







There is definitely no shortage of cocaine fueled idiots in this part of the world, sadly lol

#2553754 Alfredsson Set to Sign 1-day Contract with Senators

Posted by Internet.Unknown on 04 December 2014 - 04:27 PM

I have so much respect for Alfie, the guy doesn't hang on like Marty or Jaromir he actually listens to his body.


Jagr scored 24-43-67 last year. I'm pretty sure his body is telling him to put the puck in the net and the check in the bank. Good call, Jaromir.


I have so much respect for players who play as long as they want not how long "fans" think they should play.

#2553647 Babcock "I don't think it will be my final year here"

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 03 December 2014 - 08:31 PM


The team is having a strong start but it's not like we've won the cup the past 5 years in a row. The past few years this team HAS been broke. Just saying.

You took my comment without the context, but anyway, has been broken is different than Is broken. It's not the same team as the past 5 years. Besides, I don't think coaching is to blame for the downturn of the past 5 years - It the fact that we've been rebuilding the roster. 

#2553645 Babcock "I don't think it will be my final year here"

Posted by marcaractac on 03 December 2014 - 08:14 PM


The team is having a strong start but it's not like we've won the cup the past 5 years in a row. The past few years this team HAS been broke. Just saying.


Which is what happens when you lose one of the greatest dmen of all time and had a large influx of youth injected into the lineup all at once. There *might* be one or 2 other coaches who could have done with this team these last few years what Babs has. The team will only continue to improve, especially if Babs sticks around. He'll turn this squad into a winner. That's what he does.

#2553248 12/2 GDT : Panthers 4 at Red Wings 3

Posted by Desert Rat on 02 December 2014 - 02:26 PM

Hahaha would have been easier for Tatar to get two goals on his actual birthday than the day after was the point of that silliness.

#2553040 11/30 GDT - Canucks 3 at Red Wings 5

Posted by T.Low on 30 November 2014 - 10:18 PM

Karen needs to move on. Well past her prime

Just my thoughts:
I hear what you're saying, but frankly, I like that she's not perfect, and that I don't like everything about her. Living outside of Michigan for the last 15 years, seeing Karen Nueman makes me smile, just like Mickey, the Bud Lynch announcement, and the Belle Tire commercials.

She sings well, she's more Birmingham than Hollywood, she's part of the family. Just like Larry Murphy was a real guy as opposed to a polished tv personality.

#2553077 11/30 GDT - Canucks 3 at Red Wings 5

Posted by RyanBarnes! on 01 December 2014 - 11:50 AM

I think that quietly Jurco had a really good game, probably his best of the season

Yes, Jurco has done well on the fourth line. Love that he is not the type of player that will disappear on a checking line, like for example Hudler. That versatility will be an asset to both him and the team.

#2553066 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by krsmith17 on 01 December 2014 - 08:17 AM

People really need to relax with this whole mentality that the grass is always greener on the other side. I much prefer Babcock's theory that the devil you know, is better than the devil you don't. As much as I want to get rid of Kindl, it's because I think there are better options within the organization, not because he has played god awful. He really isn't near as bad as many people make him out to be. I think a trade would be good for the team, as well as for Kindl. I think he could really flourish in another system, where he can play more of an offensive minded game.


Also, regarding all the "upgrades" available over Quincey. I don't think any of them are really an upgrade, other than Yandle and Burns. The rest, I would take Quincey every time. Quincey is a very durable, reliable defenseman, and is well deserving of his current contract. He is a great middle pairing defenseman for us while we're waiting for some of our younger guys (DeKeyser / Smith) to take on bigger roles and our prospects (Ouellet, Sproul, Jensen, Marchenko) to mature and take the next step.


kliq, Sproul hasn't played great this season but he is playing better than his point totals would suggest. I think he will start to produce a little more, hopefully after Christmas. He still has a ton of work to do, and definitely isn't ready for the big show yet, but I'm still confident he will be a big time player for us in a few years.