Jump to content


Son of a Wing's Photo

Son of a Wing

Member Since 09 Aug 2003
Offline Last Active Today, 06:50 PM
-----

#2684192 DeKeyser re-signed to a 6 year deal

Posted by krsmith17 on Today, 10:04 AM

I agree that teams need offensive defensemen that can drive possession, but teams also need steady, reliable, two-way defensemen such as DeKeyser. This is not a home-run deal by any stretch, but I think it's a solid contract, one that absolutely needed to get hammered down. We certainly could not afford to lose DeKeyser, and although I thought he might take a bit of a hometown discount, I doubt we could have gotten a whole lot lower than what he signed.

 

Look around the league at some of the number 2 / 3 defensemen (which is what I believe DeKeyser is) and see what kind of contracts they're on...

 

Tobias Enstrom - $5.75M over 5 years.

Marc Staal - $5.7M over 6 years.

Jeff Petry - $5.5M over 6 years.

Dan Girardi - $5.5M over 6 years.

Brooks Orpik - $5.5M over 6 years.

Matt Carle - $5.5M over 6 years.

James Wisniewski - $5.5M over 6 years.

Jay Bouwmeester - $5.4M over 5 years.

Dennis Wideman - $5.25M over 5 years.

Zach Bogosian - $5.14M over 7 years.

Andy Green - $5M over 5 years

Andrew MacDonald - $5M over 6 years.

Alexander Edler - $5M over 6 years.

Paul Martin - $5M over 5 years.

 

Is there a single one of them you can say is definitively better than DeKeyser? Nope.

 

DeKeyser needs to be paired with a number one puck moving defenseman, and then we would finally see what he is really capable of.

No one is saying he's elite, and he's not being paid like he's elite. He's a solid number 2 / 3, and that's exactly how he's getting paid. Good contract, that has the potential to turn out to be a great contract...




#2684156 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on Yesterday, 07:31 PM

Agreed. I wasn't disputing your point, just clarifying a couple that have already signed.


#2683941 DeKeyser re-signed to a 6 year deal

Posted by marcaractac on 26 July 2016 - 10:05 AM

No one here yet... a lot of backlash on Twitter though...

 

Unfortunately a large portion of the Red Wings fanbase have become insufferable. There is literally nothing to complain about with this deal at all. 5 million per season for a dman of his calibre coming into his prime is as ideal as it gets. Some ***** at the term, but he'll be only 32 when the deal is up. I see no issue.  




#2683762 Fans rank front offices....Wings 21st

Posted by kliq on 24 July 2016 - 04:31 PM

This list is a joke, just a few "rankings" that baffle:

 

Arizona - 7th

Buffalo - 9th

Winnipeg - 10th

Chicago - 12th

Toronto - 13th

Carolina - 14th

Anaheim - 19th

LA - 20th

 

So according to this, the management teams of Anaheim and LA are not at the level of teams such as Arizona, Buffalo, and Winnipeg as those teams just ooz of success. This list seem to have a bias towards teams that tank. In what world is Chicago (as much as I hate them) ranked lower the Arizona???




#2683677 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by marcaractac on 22 July 2016 - 09:59 PM

So you're sure the evidence is there, you just don't have it.

First, TBTLC would actually have to center the third line, which he hasn't done since shortly after Babs dubbed him that. He was an unproductive second line winger until Blash moved him to Glendening's wing last year.

 

If you need evidence so bad why not Google it yourself? Not everyone on the internet cares about trying to convince random people of what they already know. 

 

This team has had identity and depth issues for a few years now. It is of zero surprise that Helm had to log a lot of top 6 minutes. Despite the fact this team is nowhere near contention, at least now there is enough depth to have actual top six players play in the top six. I'd fully expect to see Helm back on the third line this season. If not, the management of this team will just continue to show incompetence. 




#2683673 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 22 July 2016 - 07:44 PM

I wouldn't say Helm is definitively the best 3rd line center in the league, but I do think he's one of the best (if not the best). The stats are there to prove it. What evidence do you want? I'm not going to compare every 3rd line center in the league, but if you wanted to take the time to do so, I guarantee Helm would stack up quite well with the competition.

Hahaha give it a f***ing rest Lefty. You of all people shouldn't be gloating about being "right". You've got to be one of the worst for trying to pass your personally bias on a player as fact. Once you start to hate on a player (for whatever reason), there's no amount of reasoning or facts that will change your mind. You weren't right on Franzen, or anyone else. In fact, every one of those players are better than you'll ever give them credit for and Helm is no different...


#2683670 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by joesuffP on 22 July 2016 - 07:11 PM

There wasn't any real reason to turn on Franzen anyways. He was a beast in his prime and even better in the playoffs. After he got older he was still a very good top six player and is pretty much the exact player we are missing right now

The point is people on this forum will turn on anyone regardless of facts just so it follows their own made up narrative


#2683701 Fixing this mess....

Posted by kliq on 23 July 2016 - 03:27 PM

Not true at all. Right now we are going to have about 24 million in cap space after we resign our RFA's. Yes that is in a perfect world. But the point remains we have a good amount of cap room. Sing Schenn for say 5 million per, trade for or sign a #1 Dman for 8 million per year, that only comes to 13 million. Still have room to add more pieces to the F group and a vet backup G. We have 7 roster spots that could be open and need to be filled after moving out guys like Tatar, Nyquist, Smith, Sproul, Jensen, Howard, Andersson, etc....

All numbers are based on what generalfanger.com has posted.

 

I couldn't help but think of this back and forth when Schenn signed today with Phoenix for 2 years at 2.25 total (1.25 caphit). Signing him for 5mil per year would have been a MASSIVE over-payment.




#2683348 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 17 July 2016 - 12:02 PM

I don't think this team is coasting because they are content in just making the playoffs every year. I believe they are trying to make the playoffs every year, while they're waiting for the next wave of kids to become impact players. The next wave will include some variation of Larkin, Athanasiou, Mantha, Bertuzzi, Ouellet, Sproul, etc. and I believe they're almost ready. When they are, that is when this team will become competitive again. Missing or making the playoffs will have no barring on the direction this team is headed in my opinion...


#2683228 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by marcaractac on 14 July 2016 - 07:29 PM

Salaries have been going up in the league for years. A 4th liner making 1.8 per year is not unheard of this day and age. The only folks who get less than a million these days are those on entry level deals or players who still have something to prove (like Jurco, or any other player fighting for an NHL roster spot). Guys like Matt Martin and Cal Clutterbuck out there are making far more per year. Role players are important, and those who show they can play are gonna get paid. The sooner folks realize this, the less stressful they'll get when this type of new breaks. The cap isnt 39 million any more. Proven players, even 4th liners, aren't gonna be restricted to league minimum anymore. Salaries have gone up across the board. Why should the guys who produce most of the offense be the only guys to get paid more than they used to?

 

If disney.com hit the market this year along with Matt Martin, you know damn well it would be him getting that 2.5 million per year contract in Toronto instead. This is not me saying disney.com's contract is a steal. This is me saying that a deal like this is par for the course this day and age, as dictated by the market. 




#2682689 Darren Helm re-signed: 5 years, $3.85m AAV

Posted by Wings_Toledo on 09 July 2016 - 10:20 AM

It doesn't hurt to have a guy as fast as Helm who can be slotted into either the top six or play on a checking line and be effective.  He just can't be relied upon to be a scoring winger.  So, I really don't think he's the problem with this team.  He was one of our best players in 2008 and 2009 because he had a great team around him so he could play his role.  Also, apparently he could have gotten more money elsewhere so it's not like the Wings actually "overpaid" to keep him. 




#2680032 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by VM1138 on 29 June 2016 - 06:25 AM

To those who want to save money: for what? There's nothing as good as Stamkos coming down the pipe. Not getting him just guarantees we continue to float aimlessly with nothing but depth players.


#2679704 Lesser FA players.

Posted by Datsyukian-Deke on 27 June 2016 - 03:30 PM

Lesser FA signings would be pointless for this team. I'd rather have the young guys fill those roles and develop. We have room for about 2 stud forwards and a stud defenseman. Signing anyone else would force us to expose our good prospects to waivers.


#2679383 The Holiday tradition: 2016 Draft thoughts.....

Posted by amato on 25 June 2016 - 09:46 AM

hmm Hronek does sound decent.. Offensive d man, playing in Czech pro league "running power plays" and "better with the puck on his stick." Those are good but man, 163 at 6 feet tall.. Kid needs to put on some serious muscle.


#2677892 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by joesuffP on 16 June 2016 - 06:36 PM

We're a slick puck moving dman away from being able to play a different style of game. Lose Quincey, buyout Ericsson, give Smith a larger role and possibly add a good offensive defensemen and this is a different style of team