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#2535739 Detroit offers D Raphael Diaz tryout

Posted by Son of a Wing on 08 September 2014 - 12:20 PM

I'm speaking specifically about this season on defense. However, the only reason the forwards even got a shot was due to injuries. I don't care about losing out on Diaz if it means Marchenko or Ouellet gets the spot instead. If the Wings are just going to roll with Kindl and Lashoff again, then I don't really know what the plan is on defense. It's not really necessarily rushing anyone -- Ouellet or Marchenko could easily hold their own already on the third pairing.

 

Then how can they "be incorporated quicker" if this season hasn't even started yet.  

 

The defence will get worked in this year.  If they don't at all, then I'll probably upset as well. 

 

It just seems a lot of people are jumping the gun on things that haven't even happened yet...




#2535736 Detroit offers D Raphael Diaz tryout

Posted by Son of a Wing on 08 September 2014 - 11:49 AM

All on defense too, which is a huge weakness. Yeah, the Wings have quality d-men prospects lingering but they need to be incorporating them quicker or actually hit on signing free agent d-men. Or get creative and use the abundance of prospects to obtain defense help in a trade. Datsyuk and Zetterberg are aging superstars. As much as I like our prospect pool, it's a stretch (or at least unknown) if any turn out to be as good or even comparable to the twins. Either rebuild entirely or go all-in to compete while there is still a window with Pav and Z. Stuck in mediocrity with no sense of direction isn't the place to be.

 

Incorporate them quicker?  How many rookies could we afford to have in the line-up last season? 

 

You don't rush goalies and you don't rush defensemen.  Quincey's a stopgap.  He may not have not been the best guy on the market but at least he stays healthy, can log minutes and isn't signed for 7 years.

 

*Washes hands and mouth with soap after speaking well of Quincey.




#2535731 Nice article on Mantha

Posted by Son of a Wing on 08 September 2014 - 11:26 AM

I'm cautiously excited about Mantha...however, I don't put much stock at all in his 120 points in the QMJHL.  I am a bit excited though as the production didn't completely come out of nowhere...he was seen to have enough ability to be drafted at 20th overall.

 

In terms of Junior stats though, I almost always ignore them unless they are put up by someone in their first couple years in junior and are clearly leading the pack (e.g. Crosby, Lindros, etc.).  If you have a look at Daigle as an example....I think most think he put up huge stats, blew everyone out of the water, was drafted 1st overall and was a bust.  In reality, he never lead the league in scoring in Junior (was never top 2).  He probably went 1st overall though and came with a lot of hype because he put up very high scoring stats as a 2nd year player (even though not leading the league).

 

If you go back and look at scoring stats in junior, most leading scorers are guys in their 3rd and 4th years and most of those guys don't go on to have spectacular NHL careers.......so I really look for the ones that are putting up huge stats early in junior or I most ignore the stats (which is tough to do).

 

You make some great points and hit the nail on the head in terms of how elite players usually excel in the CHL right from years 1-2.

 

What I think you're forgetting (or just not mentioning) is how rare it is for a player of his size to do it.

 

A lot of the players who put up a lot of points in their later years are quite often undersized players who eventually learn how to be more effective.

 

Their success just doesn't translate as well once they hit pro and play against men.


He was only in his second season when he put up 50 goals, and in his third season he led the league in goals and points.

 

Doesn't he have a really late birthday though?  I remember in his draft year he was almost a full year older than most other high draft picks.

 

It can make a big difference at that age.




#2535719 Detroit offers D Raphael Diaz tryout

Posted by Son of a Wing on 08 September 2014 - 10:21 AM

I think that has more to do with the fact he will have way more opportunities and a lot better chance of making an NHL roster.  

 

Absolutely.  It's about getting a job.  Plain and simple.

 

I would think that would be clear as day...but judging by the comments above, I'm obviously mistaken.




#2535067 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by Son of a Wing on 28 August 2014 - 01:21 AM

Frank I don't even know what to say in response to you sometimes but I can't resist...

The Bruins are not being "punished" for success or having a great goal scorer. They legally evaded the cap and deferred their bonuses to this year by choice. I suggest you do some research there...

So in your opinion... To attract free agents...we need to not do well...draft high...get some good young players...even though you just claimed no one knows how young players will ever turn out...or was that just relevant for our current prospects...whatever benefits your argument at the time I guess... OK.

Where...in Zeus' butthole...did you come up with this idea...and in what universe did that make sense...

PS. I may have had a drink...


#2534956 Fedorov and Yzerman vs. Datsyuk and Zetterberg

Posted by Son of a Wing on 26 August 2014 - 05:46 PM

Boyd Devereaux and Jason Williams




#2534939 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by Son of a Wing on 26 August 2014 - 11:41 AM

 

I disagree that it isn't a fair comparison. Both of these guys left the organization, so they gained most of their perspective from within Detroit's group. That they've been able to apply their experience to varied situations is exactly what I want to compare. They took what they learned (from Holland) in Detroit and have applied it elsewhere, in different situations.

 

Holland has had the luxury of ownership who allows him to spend to the cap ceiling and any cap space limitations (or bad contracts) are the result of Holland's planning and management. And, I'm not sure that there is an unwillingness of teams to trade with the Wings, I think that perception is one of the issues. The Wings don't have the guys that other teams want, no matter how rosy we make our prospects sound. We have a ton of depth- and role-guys, but not the excess of blue-chip prospects teams in rebuild mode want in return and it becomes easier and easier for teams to turn down a trade with Wings that revolves around Johan Franzen and Riley Sheahan for a top-tier guy... [Guys like Tatar, Jurco, Mantha, Nyquist, etc. come off the table because they are needed in addition to whatever the Wings are trying to trade for...]

 

That's really my biggest knock against Holland, he's been there long enough. Move on. He has nothing to prove. He's won Cups, he's got the longest playoff streak, he's drafted HOFers, etc. etc. etc. Let's get some fresh eyes on the organization and get ahead of the curve again in order to stay where we're at...

 

You keep saying he has to move on but you haven't listed a single possible solution/alternative that's available that would benefit us.

 

And since neither Nill or Yzerman is available to Detroit, what's a better option than Holland at this point?




#2534908 The Pavel Datsyuk Show

Posted by Son of a Wing on 25 August 2014 - 10:50 AM

From the same user who made the video number9 posted...

 




#2534713 Shea Weber's shot is Dangerous

Posted by Son of a Wing on 21 August 2014 - 04:52 PM

Saw this in the comments...

 

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#2534690 Lines Thread

Posted by Son of a Wing on 21 August 2014 - 02:07 PM

I miss having someone like this in the lineup...

 

 

 

Here's hoping Glendening and/or Callahan can develop into an impact hitter.




#2534648 Lines Thread

Posted by Son of a Wing on 20 August 2014 - 06:18 PM

You're right someone was good 10, 15 or 20 years ago so they must still be good now!

Howe can prolly still play let's sign him up.

 

So you really don't get the concept gaining someone's trust and how that works....

 

Forget hockey...just in general.  It's a fairly primitive concept.


Or how putting a young person through adversity, and having them overcome obstacles, helps build them to be a better person.




#2534633 Lines Thread

Posted by Son of a Wing on 20 August 2014 - 02:43 PM

where dd he start the year at?

 

On the third line....  You're welcome to check the boxscores and gameday lineups and stats and facts etc.




#2534558 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by Son of a Wing on 19 August 2014 - 01:16 PM

Till his injury Ryan has scored 30 or more goals every season and he did that while always playing on a budget team. To me this is very impressive love the speed of Nyquist but I wouldn't even think twice about trading him for Ryan that's an absolute streak.

 

Playing on a budget team?  

 

Yeah it was really tough playing with Getzlaf and Perry for all four 30 goal seasons...

 

Ryan is a very good player but lets not act like he was fighting that kind of adversity...




#2534514 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by Son of a Wing on 18 August 2014 - 07:05 PM

But that's kind of the point. We have the prospects to spare that would be needed to acquire an elite talent or two and still have prospects left.

 

I don't think anyone is arguing we don't have the pieces to make a big trade or two.

 

But what teams are willing to give up "elite talent" for just prospects and picks?  They're going to want young proven talent or an elite player back.

 

Almost every team believes they have a shot at the playoffs and the ones who don't, don't have elite talent.

 

Who are these "elite players" you see as potentially available who wouldn't cost an elite player in return?




#2534511 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by Son of a Wing on 18 August 2014 - 05:15 PM

I don't know where you u got that idea from? I don't see anywhere that might have been implied in his post. Unless I'm understanding it wrong.

 

Well... he was discussing the concept of us tanking and who the "competition" might be and stressed people to keep in mind that even settling for the 2nd pick would be a win.