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#2532274 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 July 2014 - 03:17 PM

 

I don't think anybody here "gets off" watching Holland squirm.  I do think some people want management held accountable for bad decisions and underperforming expectations.  Media can play a role in doing that (for good or ill). 

 

I don't think anybody here truly believes that media doesn't have a bigger part to play in all this.  Nobody would be satisfied if each day Holland just stood in front of a camera, said what he wanted, took no questions, and then went about his business. 

 

I think the whole point of this media discussion, is that some fans (myself included) believe that's essentially what's happening because the Detroit sports media does not fulfill the "check and balance" role that media (by its independent nature) can provide.

 

I couldn't disagree more with that first sentence...

 

By the sounds of it your advocating for a media atmosphere more like Toronto.  I live in that media sphere and let me tell you it is one huge distraction for that team.




#2532270 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 July 2014 - 03:05 PM

 

I'm confused about your position.  You think that there's nothing wrong with the media coverage of the Wings?

 

I don't care about the media "asking the tough questions".  I really don't.  I don't get off on the idea of seeing Holland squirm in his seat and hum and hah.

 

What does that accomplish?  People act like he's going to have an epiphany and all it takes is people confronting him about it and then he's going to see the light!

 

In today's era of social media they know the general consensus of their fan base's opinion. It doesn't take a beat reporter's "digging" to find that out.

 

(Much like what 55fan was saying) I rely on the media to give me facts.  I'd love more insider info but I also see how that can be counter-productive to the Wings doing business.

 

I read blogs and message boards (LGW) to hear other people opinions so I can better reflect on my own (which I've gained from watching as many games as I can).




#2532265 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 July 2014 - 02:25 PM

Ken Holland could start doing his job better and then there wouldn't be so much criticism aimed at the organization.

 

This article has absolutely nothing to do with "the job Ken Holland is doing".  

 

People are just using it as another soapbox to complain from.




#2532262 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 July 2014 - 02:08 PM

I feel like this piece was purposely released at a time when Red Wings fans are at their angriest to have maximum effect.

 

Time to call the...

 

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#2532176 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 15 July 2014 - 04:30 PM

I don't doubt the guy seems a bit jaded (calling the Wings the North Korea of hockey is a bit much), but when quoting sources from outside the org, he does name many.

 

He names Bruce McLeod and and Ansar Khan who's quotes actually did not support his position or back his opinion of John Hahn in any way.




#2532170 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 15 July 2014 - 04:09 PM

 

One thing that's clear is that bloggers still aren't given access -- though that's not the aim of this article. We'll touch on that more in a few minutes. 

 

I think it's ironic that he criticizes how the Wings treat bloggers differently yet in this very piece he shows why they should be.

 

It's full out slander on John Hahn with absolutely zero actual evidence but "anonymous" quotes backing his own opinion of him.

 

A lot of this piece just rubs me the wrong way....




#2531239 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Son of a Wing on 10 July 2014 - 05:25 PM

and back by popular demand....

 

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I don't want to give the impression I made this...I didn't. Just sharing.




#2530824 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by Son of a Wing on 09 July 2014 - 01:19 PM

 

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Agreed. Real Wings fans would gladly give up "the streak" to be actual contenders in a couple years.

 

I love when people start differentiating between us real and us fake fans...  I'd never be able to tell us apart....




#2530788 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Son of a Wing on 09 July 2014 - 12:02 PM

Sorry but Volchenkov is NOT better than Quincey.  Some peoples hatred is blinding...

 

He's approaching his mid-30s with significant injury history from making his living blocking shots and playing an abrasive style with ZERO offensive upside.

 

It's like he fills all our needs!  :confused:




#2530698 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by Son of a Wing on 08 July 2014 - 07:00 PM

Ya, and babs wants an offensive rh defenseman, he's been quoted saying so several times. We played more defensively because we have no choice. Our dmen can't move the puck out. Like I said we had rafalski lidstrom Stuart and kronwall before. If we got a guy like green dekeyser could stay back and make up for his mistakes and green could make our transition game so much better and put up a lot of points in the process. We would have 2 great pp qb's and two very good offensive dmen, and I guarantee we instantly become a much much better team

 

Soooo you're agreeing with me? I can't tell.  I was arguing that Green would put up 55 points. aka be successful in our system.




#2530689 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by Son of a Wing on 08 July 2014 - 06:31 PM

I'd say if mike green comes to Detroit he will never put up over 55 pts. Detroit is a two way team and won't want it's defensemen taking to much risk to get points. Look at Smith they moved him to forward to use his offensive skills and kronwall has had to be conservative since Stuart left

 

Kronwall hit 49 this past season.  I dont think 55 for Mike Green is out of the question considering his skillset.




#2530686 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by Son of a Wing on 08 July 2014 - 06:27 PM

Agree completely, well said.

Except, I would easily trade a Jarnkrok-level prospect for Green. Say.. Frk? Athanasiou? Nestrasil?

 

Athanasiou has developed into one of our top prospects.  At least I think so....




#2530646 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by Son of a Wing on 08 July 2014 - 04:01 PM

I've seen a lot of Tatar or jurco as a trade item. Why not Anderson? Washington needs centers and you could add franzen and or a pick to get the deal done. Anderson is already an extra piece in our lineup

 

Anderson has no value and Franzen isn't going anywhere.  He's a wing for life whether people like it or not.




#2530628 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by Son of a Wing on 08 July 2014 - 02:30 PM

Def wouldn't want to give up Jurco. But if it had to be either Jurco or Tatar, I'd have to go with Jurco. Jurco is much more unproven than Tatar at this point.


How is Jurco a more valuable player?? Because he's bigger? He has a much smaller sample size of NHL games. Tatar has showed that he for sure belongs in this league. Jurco has looked solid but def hasn't been as impressive as Tatar.

 

Size, Skill, Aggressiveness, Defensive Awareness, Younger, Higher ceiling,  Doesn't vent to the press every time he has an issue with playing time/role/contract.




#2530624 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by Son of a Wing on 08 July 2014 - 02:19 PM

:shocking: For an injury prone defenseman on the last year of his contract?? Umm...yeah, Tatar is very much untouchable in this scenario IMO. Now if we were looking to trade for Shea Weber that would be a different story. But for Mike Green, Kenny would be a fool to give up a player like Tatar who has been so good and still hasn't hit his full potential in this league.

 

And yet you're more than willing to give up Jurco (a more valuable player)....... :shocking:


Tatar is two years older...I sure hope he's outplayed him...