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Son of a Wing

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#2496194 Injury Updates

Posted by Son of a Wing on 17 March 2014 - 01:17 PM


#2495094 2 points tonight is a must!

Posted by Son of a Wing on 14 March 2014 - 11:15 AM

*Rich's Daily Thread

#2494961 Cap increase may be lower than projected

Posted by Son of a Wing on 13 March 2014 - 10:40 AM

Not to mention not sourcing any material so we can actually have a discussion about it...

#2494864 3/11 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Blue Jackets 4

Posted by Son of a Wing on 12 March 2014 - 05:57 PM


Zetterberg and Howard willed us into the playoffs last season. We're missing our top two players (one of whom is Zetterberg), top 20 centers, one third of our most exciting line (Jurco), our backup goalie (who's been better than our #1), and Howard's mojo. Also, the shootout issues and our goal differential mean we won't win a tiebreaker.


Soooo you're saying there's a chance.....

#2494825 UFA/RFA Re-Signing, What Does Everyone Get?

Posted by Son of a Wing on 12 March 2014 - 02:36 PM

I don't understand why so many are so willing to bring back 40 year olds instead of playing the youth. makes no sense. we don't need Alfie back, nor cleary, nor bert etc..... we have a top line of Z-Dat-franzen for next year. we have several good young F's: nyquist, tatar, jurco, Sheahan and pulk that need to play. add in grinders like helm, abby, legwand if he comes back, Weiss if healthy, miller and glendening and we already have 14 forwards. We also have a lot of cap space. If spending the money and trying to add talent is the plan-I hope it is, then go after vanek-40 goal guy, moulson-30 goal guy, and Callahan-25 goal guy.


Considering you lumped in Alfie with Cleary and Bert it's really not surprising that you don't understand...

#2494819 If Kronwall isn't a #1

Posted by Son of a Wing on 12 March 2014 - 02:21 PM

Yes +/-is  flawed stat, I understand that and said so. but lets also look at it correctly. prir to becoming a "top pair" guy a typical Kronwall year was 30ish pointsand +7. Now he is a 50ish point guy with a - rating. He is getting more minutes, more PP time, and far more shifts with our top forward line. yet his D is worse overall. yes losing Stuart-who everyone agreed was a #4 Dman hurt. Kronwall is simply not a #1 guy. Even in this very thread others are talking about he needs to be paired with...... #1 Dmen don't need to be paired with others to be great. They are great and make others around them better. Kronwall doesn't.


BTW, anyone who says, and I quote: "Quincey gets to much heat from fans on this forum..... wouldn't mind him back at a lower salary" has no room to talk about the quality of any Dman in hockey.



#2494816 3/11 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Blue Jackets 4

Posted by Son of a Wing on 12 March 2014 - 02:10 PM

Comeau suspended 2 games.  That's surprising...


#2494802 What would it take a get Shea Weber?

Posted by Son of a Wing on 12 March 2014 - 01:41 PM

True, but from what I've seen of him, he doesn't play nearly as physical as he used to. He was once compared to Dion Phaneuf in reference to his hard-hitting play early in his career. I think those comparisons have stopped.


Phaneuf's so badass EVERYONE on the ice is in danger...


#2494103 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by Son of a Wing on 10 March 2014 - 04:38 PM

Haven't said much in this thread but I will say this...


We are fickle fans.  We demand Holland make more trades for impact players but then crucify him if we have to give up anything of value.


The trade was never going to be Eaves a 3rd and Ferraro/marginal prospect.  Nobody wants that. There's next to no value in that trade.


We can all debate future and potential but none of that is certain so it's all conjecture for now.


Legwand would be a core piece and top 6 guy on any team in this league.  He is that good whether people want to admit that or not.  


No he's not a flashy/sexy player like Vanek, but he also isn't a known, pure rental and probably(hopefully) has a future here


I also have faith they wouldn't have made this deal if they weren't confident he will re-sign here. 


No that does not equate to him being a shoe-in to come here in the off-season regardless of the trade or not.


It means a lot to a player when a team pursues and "wants" you and is willing to give up assets to get you.  It sends a message.  Anyone can throw money come UFA time.


Combine that with our culture, great group of very well-liked and respected leadership group, young future players and the fact that his he's from Michigan and you've got a great appeal and likeliness to re-sign.


Starting next season (possibly this post-season if we can get healthy) we are going to have a very talented and deep group of forwards and I personally cannot wait to see what they are capable of.

#2491795 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by Son of a Wing on 06 March 2014 - 05:13 PM

I'll just point out this isn't a debate. 


Debate: : a discussion between people in which they express different opinions about something


Merriam Webster

#2491783 21 games to make it 23 years

Posted by Son of a Wing on 06 March 2014 - 04:47 PM


And everyone knows yours, naive and myopic though it is.


Feel free to share and please quote...

#2491765 21 games to make it 23 years

Posted by Son of a Wing on 06 March 2014 - 04:20 PM


#2491707 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by Son of a Wing on 06 March 2014 - 02:12 PM

I think the only way to rationalize a trade is to look at it from 2 different approaches:


1. The current value of the player as an asset to his team. (defined by: NHL production, Tangible stats, Chemistry with other players.. ETC)

2. The potential value of the player as a long term asset to his team. (defined by: AHL/CHL/KHL production, Potential, Age, Skillset)


In the case of Calle Jarnkrok, you identify a player who had virtually no value to the Detroit Red Wings as a current asset. As Ken Holland stated, he was never going to make this team while Datysuk, Zetterberg, Weiss, Helm, Andersson and Glendenning were playing ahead of him. And based on his physical tools, we was never going to make this team as 3rd/4th line Center either - meaning he would have had to play in a top 6 Center role (although I am unsure of his ability to play either wing) which wasn't going to happen anytime soon.


As a long term asset, he would have continued to be affected by playing in an organization with a deep pool of players in front of him (at the same position) - that fact on its own brings substance to the idea of him playing in Europe. The problem for the Red Wings was continuing to limit his value as a long term asset by keeping him in the minors at the age of 22,23,24.. etc. Collaterally, you are limiting his "trade bait" potential by doing so. So while you are banking on him being a very good top 6 player one day, it also makes sense to maximize his long term value through trade.


Although I admit the returns for Vanek, Gaborik, Luongo and Moulson seemed to actually be less than what we traded for Legwand - the trade becomes a very good deal if David Legwand decides to re-sign in Detroit. Eaves is a healthy scratch right now and was gone in July, this years (mid-late) second round pick comes in a weak draft, and Jarnkrok has yet to play a shift in the NHL. David Legwand has had what I consider to be "deflated stats" playing in Nashville's system and can provide right now what Jarnkrok scouts think he might be able to provide one day.


Time will tell, but don't write off a guy who's been to the playoffs 22 years in a row, he may know more than we do.


Great Post. Nice to actually see a well thought out argument hitting on many key points while also addressing each side.

#2491697 Dear Mr Legwand

Posted by Son of a Wing on 06 March 2014 - 01:41 PM

I like your positivity but there's a 42 page thread on this.  The soapbox isn't necessary.

#2491661 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by Son of a Wing on 06 March 2014 - 12:50 PM

Holland seemed kinda defensive lol


Well if LGW is a microcosm of our fanbase...then that's no surprise.