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#2534389 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 August 2014 - 02:28 PM

 I've said CENTER prospects after Pulkinnen. Larkin can play either center or left wing and till he is ready nobody will know at which position he is going to flourish.


Good god Alfie wanted to play with a bunch of Swedes - at this point in his career he is a depth player plain and simple - and thought this team would have give him a better chance than his old one, there were also reports of him being pissed about the lowball offer from the Senators.  Weiss top UFA seriously ? The guy came back after a serious injury and nobody knew if he would be fully recovered or not turns out, he wasn't. So till he shows huge improvements this season I wouldn't even call him a good signing save for a Hossa type of signing but maybe that doesdn't fit the rose colored blind thoughts of some..


As for missing out Niskanen, Ehrhoff ?! They may not be Hossa type players but both were the by far best UFAs this year and we didn't get either one, period. So a GM can't have the luxury of stating "I don't know why they aren't coming here.." because that  means this teams future would solely depend on almost every prospect reaching their expected maximum potential and how often does that happen ? (hint the number is lower than 1...)


Holland has his work cutout for him and he better figures out how to get top UFAs to sign here otherwise this will be a looooong 4 years.


Wow OK Frank I can read your (now-edited) statement. The original read...

Yup ufas aren't coming and the prospect pool is dry after Pulkinen


Zombo quoted you a page back if you forgot... Besides the fact that Pulkkinen isn't a center so "center prospects after Pulkkinen" doesn't make any sense.


Ehrhoff and Niskanen are overpaid middle-tier players.  Valuable but costly.


You mention the swedish connection yet ignore Niskanen's connection to Washington....

#2534387 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 August 2014 - 01:37 PM

Ok when was the last time the Wings got a top ufa? My answer would be 2008 Marian Hossaand only because he badly wanted to be here. I'm just a fan but the writing has been on the wall for quite some time now and with it as saying no to Detroit Holland needs to get creative and might take the risk of losing a big trade. So what is so wrong about my statement? The game has evolved teams are now built in a much more balanced way and GMs need to react quickly and sorry but I haven't seen that drive since 2007.


Seriously Frank? Whether people like to admit it or not Alfie and Weiss were two of the biggest guys last year.


Oh you meant a player of Hossa's stature?  Yeah they don't hit UFA status anymore.  Parise and Suter were the last ones and 1 team out of 30 got them for hometown reasons.


Who exactly are these Hossa-calibre players we're missing out on??


Also, you couldn't be more wrong about our prospect pool.  Nothing past Pulkkinen??  My god man....  I can't tell if you're trolling or just that blinded by your pessimism. 


Mantha, Athanasiou, Janmark, Nosek, Nastasiuk, Larkin, Turgeon, Bertuzzi


If that's nothing then I want a whole lot more of nothing...

#2534271 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by Son of a Wing on 14 August 2014 - 04:33 PM

Stopped reading at the first quote. Put together what? Inherited is the proper word.


Yes because the team he inherited won all those games....It obviously never changed....we never acquired or drafted anyone good....oh right let me guess....someone else gets all the credit for that... :ok:

#2534156 What Might Have Been: Gretzky to Detroit?

Posted by Son of a Wing on 13 August 2014 - 01:20 PM


It's hard to predict what would and wouldn't have happened.  What kind of free agents, trades, etc the Wings would have made with Gretzky.


It is possible, that Detroit would have won some Cups in the early to mid 90's with Gretzky on the team.  You don't know.  


Well of course we don't know and that's possible...that's why people are speculating... but that's not even what Hoon was talking about...


He was addressing the effect that trade would have on the cup winning teams(97,98,02) and how it might not be as positive as some stated...which is a legitimate concern for those years.


I feel like I'm taking crazy pills...

#2534154 What Might Have Been: Gretzky to Detroit?

Posted by Son of a Wing on 13 August 2014 - 12:53 PM


Because Gretzky was putting up more points on significantly worse teams.  At every single stage of their respective careers Wayne Gretzky was a superior player.  I know that it's become fashionable over the years to downplay just how good this guy was, but the truth is, he's not universally considered the greatest hockey player in the history of the game because he was actually worse than Steve Yzerman. 


Again, this is just a case of hometown nostalgia.  As I've already said, it's like saying you wouldn't trade Ray Bourque for Bobby Orr (I know, same team) just because Bourque was really good too. 


Given their respective careers up to that point, you'd be a complete and total fool to not trade Yzerman for Gretzky in 1988. 


You're twisting his words. I think Hoon had a very valid point.


He refuted your statement..



"You take the same teams as we had in 97, 98, and 2002 and swap Yzerman for Gretzky and we're WAY better."


...by addressing the fact that Gretzky was nearing retirement for 97/98 and actually in retirement for 2002 and in comparison, Yzerman was in his 2-way prime.


A very valid point.

#2533378 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Son of a Wing on 30 July 2014 - 03:01 PM

I'm thinking it will be roughly the same amount that Gardiner had signed for...Nothing against Gardiner, but of the 2 players - DD, and Gardiner - who's played a greater role for their respective team?


Gardiner?  He plays in every situation, ranked 2nd among his entire team in minutes/game and is relied on heavily for his offense and puck moving ability.


Dekeyser is a good player who we need but Gardiner plays a much larger role on his team.

#2533209 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by Son of a Wing on 28 July 2014 - 05:55 PM

Slight over-payment for this year but great value overall.  Love the 3 year term with RFA status at the end.

#2532887 Hockey News: Detroit has the easiest schedule

Posted by Son of a Wing on 23 July 2014 - 12:46 PM

It's great to have that opinion but FACT is we are as of right now. Look at the last few years....


You're always disregarding other people's "opinions" and talking about your "FACTS" but it's clear you don't understand either concept....

#2532842 Hockey News: Detroit has the easiest schedule

Posted by Son of a Wing on 22 July 2014 - 08:26 PM

The difference now is the Caps hired a world class coach, someone who will teach and expect defensive responsibilities from everyone. Add to that that Niskanen signing and although overpaid Orpik is a hitting machine so their defense is extremely improved. Caps are going to make the playoffs. The Wings barely made the playoffs last season so with the caps in I think the chances of the same roster making it this year are...very slim. Yeah Boston lost their best scorer but they are still a top team. Isles did nothing to improve their defense they will be a better team but I don't think they are playoff bound. Toronto, Carolina, New York, Ottawa and Detroit have to hope that some of the 8 better teams will have a subpar season.


I'm sorry but I think it's completely ridiculous that you're grouping us in with those teams.

#2532819 Dekeyser/Tatar status update

Posted by Son of a Wing on 22 July 2014 - 03:01 PM


I agree.  But in addition to the whole dad dying thing, he also was a real good sport about starting the season on the bench after he had clearly played his way onto the team, as well as being a good sport about spending probably a year longer in the AHL than he needed to. 


Tatar, despite what some folks think, has had a really good attitude the entire time he's been in Detroit.  I think fans just get worried because he'd the kind of guy who says he's disappointed when he is, or pissed off, or whatever.  So they always think he's got an attitude.  He doesn't.  He's just up front about how he's feeling, which is unique for a Red Wing.


I totally understand why he's gotten frustrated in relation to starting on the bench and spending a while in the AHL.  


In fact I think that's a positive thing. It shows he has drive and wants to prove himself and keep getting better.


That's not what rubs me the wrong way....  It's the fact that he vents his frustrations to the press.  


If you don't like the way you're being handled as an hockey player/employee/human being then express that to your agent/boss/GM, not The Detroit news and various Czech newspapers.


How many other Red Wings do you see doing that?

So to clarify... I think he has the right attitude.  He's just immature in how he deals with it.

#2532818 Hockey News: Detroit has the easiest schedule

Posted by Son of a Wing on 22 July 2014 - 02:49 PM

With the exception of Detroit, Tampa Bay and possibly Columbus, every other Eastern team who made the playoffs has taken a serious step back or are in cap hell.


Washington looks good on paper but they have always looked pretty good on paper. (aside from their goaltending)


Carolina did nothing to improve.  Islander's defence is a joke and who knows with the Leafs.


Personally, I like our chances....

#2532798 Dekeyser/Tatar status update

Posted by Son of a Wing on 22 July 2014 - 12:57 PM

As for Tatar:

The guy has shown tremendous loyality after playing through the most difficult time of his life, so I really hope he gets some sort of reward for that.


Going to work when you're grieving is no doubt difficult.  But that's not something you get "rewarded" for, nor does it show loyalty.  That's life.

#2532789 Dekeyser/Tatar status update

Posted by Son of a Wing on 22 July 2014 - 12:21 PM

Regarding Tatar...


Tomas, what's the current situation in terms of your future overseas?

"For some time, together with my agent, we've been negotiating a new contract with Detroit. But it's not easy; it's a business, and both sides want to have the best conditions."
Do you already have a specific proposal on the table?
"Yes, I have three options. The team's offered me two, three and five-year contracts. Of course the offers have other financial circumstances."
Which one of the alternatives do you prefer?
"It looks like I'll sign a two or three-year contract. We're close to an agreement, but a few things need to be resolved."
Do you have a red line deadline, or do you have some time to think?
"No, we're not in a rush. It doesn't matter whether I'll sign today or in two weeks."
"Detroit has my rights until I'm 27, so I can't negotiate with any other NHL team, so I have time" (Tatar says, and laughs).
But could it possibly happen that Detroit would sign you to a new contract and then let you go?
"It might. Especially because hockey and the NHL are a big business. But I don't think that will happen."
Now what are you doing?
"I'm recovering from a short weekend trip to Croatia, but I'm training fully and preparing for the new season."


#2532658 Dekeyser/Tatar status update

Posted by Son of a Wing on 20 July 2014 - 06:14 PM

Yea they won't let a former first round pick just go away for nothing. Especially not after the Quincey debacle. I could see them trading him away for maybe like a 5th or 6th rounder, but they wouldn't just let him go like that. 


Why would any GM give up anything for Kindl and his contract when a guy like Del Zotto is available for free and on a lesser contract.

#2532386 Dekeyser/Tatar status update

Posted by Son of a Wing on 17 July 2014 - 05:24 PM

Me too... I think Tatar is a guy who we and management severely under rate. And since many of our younger players are held down in the minors I don't have a problem with them wanting to get paid once they finally get promoted. For many of them their NHL careers are 1-2 seasons shorter than they would be with any other organization.


I very much disagree with that.  I think because they develop longer they end up better players because of it and thus make more money.


I still remember when Tatar was venting to the media a while back about how tough it was to watch Cory Conacher playing in the NHL when he knew he was just as good.


Well....look at how that worked out for each of them....