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#2532798 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by Son of a Wing on 22 July 2014 - 12:57 PM

As for Tatar:

The guy has shown tremendous loyality after playing through the most difficult time of his life, so I really hope he gets some sort of reward for that.

 

Going to work when you're grieving is no doubt difficult.  But that's not something you get "rewarded" for, nor does it show loyalty.  That's life.




#2532789 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by Son of a Wing on 22 July 2014 - 12:21 PM

Regarding Tatar...
 

 

Tomas, what's the current situation in terms of your future overseas?

 
"For some time, together with my agent, we've been negotiating a new contract with Detroit. But it's not easy; it's a business, and both sides want to have the best conditions."
 
Do you already have a specific proposal on the table?
 
"Yes, I have three options. The team's offered me two, three and five-year contracts. Of course the offers have other financial circumstances."
 
Which one of the alternatives do you prefer?
 
"It looks like I'll sign a two or three-year contract. We're close to an agreement, but a few things need to be resolved."
 
Do you have a red line deadline, or do you have some time to think?
 
"No, we're not in a rush. It doesn't matter whether I'll sign today or in two weeks."
 
Why?
 
"Detroit has my rights until I'm 27, so I can't negotiate with any other NHL team, so I have time" (Tatar says, and laughs).
 
But could it possibly happen that Detroit would sign you to a new contract and then let you go?
 
"It might. Especially because hockey and the NHL are a big business. But I don't think that will happen."
 
Now what are you doing?
 
"I'm recovering from a short weekend trip to Croatia, but I'm training fully and preparing for the new season."
 

 




#2532658 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by Son of a Wing on 20 July 2014 - 06:14 PM

Yea they won't let a former first round pick just go away for nothing. Especially not after the Quincey debacle. I could see them trading him away for maybe like a 5th or 6th rounder, but they wouldn't just let him go like that. 

 

Why would any GM give up anything for Kindl and his contract when a guy like Del Zotto is available for free and on a lesser contract.




#2532386 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by Son of a Wing on 17 July 2014 - 05:24 PM

Me too... I think Tatar is a guy who we and management severely under rate. And since many of our younger players are held down in the minors I don't have a problem with them wanting to get paid once they finally get promoted. For many of them their NHL careers are 1-2 seasons shorter than they would be with any other organization.

 

I very much disagree with that.  I think because they develop longer they end up better players because of it and thus make more money.

 

I still remember when Tatar was venting to the media a while back about how tough it was to watch Cory Conacher playing in the NHL when he knew he was just as good.

 

Well....look at how that worked out for each of them....




#2532372 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by Son of a Wing on 17 July 2014 - 04:11 PM

The concern shouldn't be: do we re-sign them? The concern should be: will we destroy our relationship with them trying to lowball them. Quite frankly I bet Tatar looks at the Cleary deal and says "I'm worth double that.". And frankly, its silly for Holland to get stingy with the good players and throw wallets at the bad ones. Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2

 

You don't compare UFAs with RFAs.  Cleary to Tatar and earlier mentioned was Dekeyser to Quincey.  It doesn't work like that...


On a side note....I can see the Tatar negotiations taking a while.  Tatar expects to be PAID....




#2532367 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by Son of a Wing on 17 July 2014 - 03:58 PM

Im pretty worried given Holland's track record as of late.

 

Would we really be surprised if two of our best young players walked?

 

What's with you doomsday people??  Walk where? Out of the NHL?  




#2532365 Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

Posted by Son of a Wing on 17 July 2014 - 03:55 PM

This makes my heart soar, and then I hear the theme from Reading Rainbow, then I feel like I have to go potty. What does this mean, mommy?

 

Thanks to LeVar Burton and Kickstarter the show is being brought back...




#2532350 Callahan and Nestrasil re-signed

Posted by Son of a Wing on 17 July 2014 - 02:23 PM

Callahan signed for 1 year at $555,000.

 

Nestrasil signed for 1 year at S550,000.

 

Facebook Capgeek.

 

Hard to go wrong with these guys at league minimum.




#2532286 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 July 2014 - 04:21 PM

 

Well for starters, identifying the actual truth about a subject informs the public.  And since the Red Wings, like all other businesses, are dependent on the public for revenue they are generally are very amenable to public opinion. 

 

Those types of questions also help inform management too.  One of the biggest mistakes any decision maker can make is thinking that their way is the best way, or their thought process cannot be criticized.  The press acts as a sounding board for decision makers all the time.  Ken Holland is not different. 

 

Finally, asking relevant questions and ensuring that the answers provided are accurate and reliable is also the whole point of having journalism in the first place.  If you'd rather they didn't ask questions, then why do you bother reading news?  Just have the Red Wings twitter and facebook posts sent to your smart phone and move on if you don't care if the news is accurate or not.  However I suspect, since you do go out of your way to consume news (by your own admission), that you'd likely prefer that the news you get is being collected and distributed in accordance with best possible industry standards and not just phoned in. 

 

But you're acting as if, if the right questions were asked, Holland would be all forth-coming with "the truth". 

 

He has his famous sayings.. "I like our team" etc. for a reason. They don't have to answer to us whether we like that or not.

 

Success has granted them some leniency in that department.   If that continues downward I don't expect them to turn to their fan-base for direction.

 

Again, I read the Wings media reports to get updates on players (reports, stats, facts) and read opinion pieces to better reflect on my own. Not to read Holland Q&As. 




#2532279 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 July 2014 - 03:42 PM

 

I didn't say a word about Toronto and you're misrepresenting my point to the extreme in order to validate your own.  Surely you'd agree that there's a happy middle ground between "not questioning the organization at all" and "being endlessly combative for the sake of validating oneself". 

 

I don't think anybody should second guess each and every single little roster decision the coach or GM make.  But I also don't it would be asking too much if the next time Ken Holland said "We don't want to overpay for free agents", a member of the media would respond "didn't you just overpay for Cleary and Quincey?  Why is it ok in those instances?"

 

I said "more like" which is true and *not extreme at all.   Besides I think that's a slippery slope and hard to find a middle-ground.

 

Bottom-line I rely on the beat writers for daily factual updates and the columnists for opinion pieces.  

 

I could care less if Holland is posed with those questions.  What does that accomplish?

 

*Ok maybe it was a little extreme after re-reading my comment.




#2532274 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 July 2014 - 03:17 PM

 

I don't think anybody here "gets off" watching Holland squirm.  I do think some people want management held accountable for bad decisions and underperforming expectations.  Media can play a role in doing that (for good or ill). 

 

I don't think anybody here truly believes that media doesn't have a bigger part to play in all this.  Nobody would be satisfied if each day Holland just stood in front of a camera, said what he wanted, took no questions, and then went about his business. 

 

I think the whole point of this media discussion, is that some fans (myself included) believe that's essentially what's happening because the Detroit sports media does not fulfill the "check and balance" role that media (by its independent nature) can provide.

 

I couldn't disagree more with that first sentence...

 

By the sounds of it your advocating for a media atmosphere more like Toronto.  I live in that media sphere and let me tell you it is one huge distraction for that team.




#2532270 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 July 2014 - 03:05 PM

 

I'm confused about your position.  You think that there's nothing wrong with the media coverage of the Wings?

 

I don't care about the media "asking the tough questions".  I really don't.  I don't get off on the idea of seeing Holland squirm in his seat and hum and hah.

 

What does that accomplish?  People act like he's going to have an epiphany and all it takes is people confronting him about it and then he's going to see the light!

 

In today's era of social media they know the general consensus of their fan base's opinion. It doesn't take a beat reporter's "digging" to find that out.

 

(Much like what 55fan was saying) I rely on the media to give me facts.  I'd love more insider info but I also see how that can be counter-productive to the Wings doing business.

 

I read blogs and message boards (LGW) to hear other people opinions so I can better reflect on my own (which I've gained from watching as many games as I can).




#2532265 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 July 2014 - 02:25 PM

Ken Holland could start doing his job better and then there wouldn't be so much criticism aimed at the organization.

 

This article has absolutely nothing to do with "the job Ken Holland is doing".  

 

People are just using it as another soapbox to complain from.




#2532262 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 July 2014 - 02:08 PM

I feel like this piece was purposely released at a time when Red Wings fans are at their angriest to have maximum effect.

 

Time to call the...

 

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#2532176 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 15 July 2014 - 04:30 PM

I don't doubt the guy seems a bit jaded (calling the Wings the North Korea of hockey is a bit much), but when quoting sources from outside the org, he does name many.

 

He names Bruce McLeod and and Ansar Khan who's quotes actually did not support his position or back his opinion of John Hahn in any way.