Just to add to the "our lack of ability to sign (any) big name free agents" comment. None of them were really big names, just over priced due to the lack of any actual big names becoming available. All the big names are signed long term!
Wow, it's amazing to think just because we didn't sign an over priced UFA (the Niskanen deal is horrible), people think we have a bad team. We're good, and going to have a better season with guys healthy and our young players a year older. Boston, Montreal, Ottawa and Toronto, so far, are worse then last year, and Buffalo and Florida still suck!
The Wings will be better. Our young talent is 1 year older and Dats and Z are healthy.
Niskanen won't be the same player in Washington. Quincey would get 40 pts playing in Pittsburgh, which is exactly why Ehrhoff signed there, to rack up the pts so he can sign another big contract... I don't think people realize how good Smith and Dekeyser are going to be.
The CBA has created an over inflated UFA Market. We didn't miss out on anything yesterday.
Guys, it's only a 2 year deal. If we signed someone as a FA, we'd have to pay more and for a longer term. For a defenceman who plays 20 minutes a night, it's a good contract. Quincey would have got more if he hit the open market.
I don't get what people expect from Franzen. He's a 60 pt guy and has a $3.95 Million cap hit. He's one of the best bargains in the league! Watch him live, instead of on TV, and you'll appreciate what he brings to the team.
FYI, he's not going to throw his weight around, he's had a history of concussion problems.
I am still trying to figure out who we could get for Franzen's cap number that would be just as good if not better. You know when Vanek signs with a team he is going to ask for $6 million a season at least.
If we are going to buy out Franzen, and put plugs into our team, I am sure that wouldn't go over well with the fanbase.
Right, the Wings will have to pay someone else $6 Million or more for 60 pts
Jarnkrok still wasn't going to make the team for a few years anyway, and by that time he would already be 24. Jurco and Sheahan are younger then him, and are 2 years ahead of him in their development. Jarnkrok is a late bloomer, and the Wings can't wait 4+ years for their draft picks to make the team. I'd make the Legwand trade again, and again.
So much negativity. I tend to stay away from here because reading everyone's posts leaves me with negative feelings about the team, but I'll put in my thoughts so there will be something positive.
I don't know what the rest of you are watching, we're playing the best team in hockey, the 2011 Stanley Cup Champs, and the 2013 Eastern Conference Champs. The Bruins have been there, done that. We're the 8th seed, a team with a lot of young players who are experiencing the NHL playoffs for the 1st time. They're learning on the fly. I really don't understand what people were expecting. I've been saying the Bruins would win in 5, but the Wings would make it tough for them. So far I've been right.
Other then the first half of Game 3, I thought we've played well. We're getting a decent amount of shots against an excellent defensive team, and holding our own. If we were playing any other team then the Bruins, we wouldn't be down 3-1.
Maybe it's because I think long term, and a lot of people here think short term, but playing the best team in hockey can be a very good thing a year or two down the road. Our young players can see what needs to be done to win in the post season.
I still think we have one more good shot at a Cup with Datsyuk and Zetterberg on the team. With everyone healthy next year and the experience our young guys are getting this playoffs, 2014-15 could be the year.
We had no room for Jarnkrok. Who on this team would he replace? He would have still been in Grand Rapids next year too with Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Weiss back. When he'd finally get his shot, in 2015-16, he'd be 24. Plus there was rumors Jarnkrok was going to go home.
The Wings have fought and clawed their way back into a playoff spot the last 3 weeks, and Legwand has been a part of that. Holland turned someone stuck in Grand Rapids, or would go home, into someone who could help us now, and for the next 4 seasons.
If Jarnkrok's an NHL player, he has to prove it now, and that wasn't going to happen with the Wings. If he's playing well in Nashville, a team who could actually use him, then good for him for playing well so far.
Holland can't win, if he doesn't make a move people are upset, when he does, people are upset.
I like this trade. Legwand isn't a rental, he'll sign with his hometown team. David's got 4 good years left.
Jarnkrok was drafted in 2010, is 23 in September, and hasn't even played a game in the NHL yet! He's still only in his first season in the AHL. He'll probably need another season in Grand Rapids before he's ready, making him 24 before he plays in the NHL. Then he'll need 80 games to see if he can play in the NHL or not, making him 25. In that time, Legwand can score 150 pts for us.
It took Datsyuk and Zetterberg just 3 years to make the Red Wings after being drafted, Jarnkork is on year 4. Either Jarnkrok isn't good enough to make the Wings, or there's too many guy in front of him. Out of all the young guys in our organization, he's the one to go.
If he was can't miss, he'd already be on the team.
I agree with this completely but they have absolutely nobody to play with. If Z and Pavel don't score....we lose. Ken Holland bet on Mule over Hossa and lost big time. Mule is one of the laziest players in the NHL if not the most lazy. Holland is probably going to hand Fil a big sack of money that he in no way deserves.
Ok enough Hossa vs. Franzen talk...
How quickly people forget Hossa was one of the ones blamed for not winning the 2009 Stanley Cup. Hossa only had 15 points in 23 playoff games, and we were very disappointed in his lack of scoring in the finals. Franzen had 23 pts in 23 playoff games, and 18 pts in 16 playoff games in 2008. Personally 99.99999% of us would have been pissed if Holland signed Hossa over Franzen after 2009.
Since the 2008-09 season Hossa has 208 pts in 231 regular season games (90%), Franzen 150 pts in 208 games (72%). Hossa has a cap hit of $5,275,000, Franzen $3,954,545. Franzen get's paid 75% of what Hossa does.
I wouldn't even say hindsight is 20/20, because for dollar value, it's even.