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#2220769 Kronwall signed to seven-year deal

Posted by eva unit zero on 01 November 2011 - 10:44 AM

Why do so many people think this deal is a "steal"? I didn't think that at all when I saw and I did a little more digging to see how it compares to the others. A lot of people have been saying they thought he'd get $5-6M, but I look at it as a guy that is signed through to the age of 39, he has had some injuries and he plays a style that tends to lead to injuries. I agree that he probably would have gotten more on the open market, but he wasn't signed in the open market. Here is a list of all of the dmen in the league that make $5M+ (a lot of the guys making that money were signed in the open market)

Player, age at end of contract, average points over last 4 years.

Visnovsky, 38, 46
Chara, 41, 47
Bouwmeester, 30, 33 - overpaid, was way overhyped, good player, but not to the level of hype
Seabrook, 31, 34
Keith, 36, 48
Wisniewski, 33, 41
Lidstrom, 42, 60
Campbell, 36, 42 - everyone knows his deal was stupid
Doughty, 29, 42
Markov, 35, 51
Weber, 26, 41
Gonchar, 39, 40 - Ottawa was desperate for a powerplay quarterback
Timonen, 38, 41
Yandle, 29, 43
Rozival, 33, 28
Martin, 34, 25 - looks overpaid, but signed on open market when not a lot of good dmen were available
Boyle, 37, 48 - everyone knows his deal was stupid
Phaneuf, 29, 42
Green, 26, 57
Byfuglien, 30, 39

By comparison, Kronwall's contract ends at the age of 39 and he's averaged 36 pts. I know a lot of people will argue that some of the best defensemen don't score a lot of points, which is true, but when it comes to getting paid a lot of money, you tend to need that part of the game as well.

So, based on that list, the only guys making more than $5M and signed to the age of 39 are Chara, Lidstrom and Gonchar. A lot of the players on the list were signed on the open market as well. Kronwall's salary should be a little lower because he wasn't a UFA and he signed a long-term deal to the age of 39...he had to take a bit of a discount to get that type of security.

So, I think it is a pretty fair deal, still some risk, but I don't see it as this great steal like a lot of others.


You can't just disregard other defensemen around the league and say "only Chara, Lidstrom, and Gonchar count." because that's not the case. Also, all of those defensemen played top-unit PP time. Kronwall plays second unit. when the Wings had Hossa, the second unit was as good as many #1 units. Kronwall scored 51 points. Look at ES scoring for defensemen the past few years; Kronwall is among the leaders most years. And better defensively than most.


#2220767 Kronwall signed to seven-year deal

Posted by eva unit zero on 01 November 2011 - 10:38 AM

Kindl is collateral damage. He is traded. How many goals have the Wings given up the last four? If that doesnt change, then change will be needed....



Apparently Kindl's upside has show alot the last four games. IF that trend continues throughout the year, Kindl becomes very expendable, changes will need to be made. Now if you read, I said if Commie does his job and earns a re-sign, but if he doesnt then Kindl can stay. If Commie makes an impact, I choose him over Kindl.


Question.


You want to bring in Smith because he's younger than Kindl, right? So why do you want to dump Kindl when he's been outplaying the more expensive Ericsson, despite being three years younger? Smith is much smaller than Kindl, not as good defensively as Kindl was at that age (and there's a much larger gap now) and really only has speed as an advantage. Smith over Ericsson maybe. Smith over Kindl? Not next year, unless something significantly changes from now until then.



#2220552 Welcome to Big Leagues Gustav Nyquist!

Posted by eva unit zero on 31 October 2011 - 01:10 PM

Filppula/Datsyuk/Hudler
Nyquist/Zetterberg/Franzen


You know it's coming.



#2220518 Brunnstrom on waivers

Posted by eva unit zero on 31 October 2011 - 12:18 PM

Why are people so nuts about putting Brunnstrom on Datsyuk's wing or Zetterberg's wing?

Cory Emmerton outperformed him offensively in the AHL last year while spending some time injured and some time on the Detroit roster. Brunnstrom failed to make it onto the Leafs roster.

Should Emmerton be slotted next to Dats or Z?

Maybe Helm, who posted 30+ points in the NHL last year.

I've been torn a new one for suggesting Eaves on Dats' wing before, even though Eaves has a very good shot and has scored 20 goals.

Or Hudler. Who has scored 26 goals and 57 points. And is probably the third most naturally skilled forward on the team right now.

Brunnstrom has some decent skills. But he needs to prove he deserves a shot before he gets that slot. Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Filppula, Franzen, Hudler, Cleary, Bertuzzi, Holmstrom, and Eaves are all guys who are have shown to be better offensively than he is, at least so far. He needs to seriously up his game, or revise his role. People were suggesting a Homer-type role for him. If he can add that to his repertoire, he'll be a top-sixer on an NHL team for years to come. The Wings are probably losing Homer AND Bert this offseason, so that's definitely an open spot he could slip into. Maybe then he'd deserve the spot on Datsyuk's wing.



#2220330 This team screams for a trade

Posted by eva unit zero on 30 October 2011 - 09:00 PM

Wait a second...isn't Brunnstrom on waivers now? Get outta here! Looks like Emmerton is the next one on the block. See, I did have substance, you just didn't agree with it so you dismissed it. Just because you don't have an opinion and someone said something in the slightest negative way doesn't mean you have to blast it.


Why would Emmerton be next, and who's replacing him? Why not Miller or Eaves? Eaves has sat in the press box for four games, Miller for two, and Emmerton for two. Emmerton is four years younger than the others, and all of them are capable PKers. Emmerton is the only center of the three.

That's cool they won in 2007-2008 with Marian Hossa and the above names when they were five years younger. But they have lost to San Jose the past two years. So if history proves correct the Red Wings will be kicked out by San Jose. By all means please try to make me eat that. SPOILER ALERT: You can't hehehehehhehehehe

This is going to be EXTREMELY difficult for you to understand, I know, but what a [different] team ddid five (5) years ago has no affect on what they will do this year. NONE. ZERO. ZIP. ZILCH. NADA. Just as, just as, what they have done the past two years means squat. How are they playing RIGHT NOW? Horrible.

Ya dig Inglewood Jack?

And all you can come up with is pointless drivel blasting my post because, as I said, you're just a corn cob who thinks his opinion is more valid and poignant than every other one. s***, you're


*your

smug cloud is even bigger than George Clooney's. So what's going to happen now is you're going to come in here and make a long, winding post about how much smarter you are than me and try to put me down somehow rather than admit that you are wrong and I am right. Because for whatever reason you need to feel superior to someone on an interwebz message board. Me, on the other hand, doesn't give two s***s about what you say to me. Truth be told, you could drop dead and I could care less.


Couldn't. It's "I couldn't care less" because "I could care less" means that you do care. Which is the complete opposite of what you are saying. Proper spelling and grammar are our friends. You should become acquainted with them if you desire to be taken seriously.

With all that being said... trade for Shane Doan and Zack Parise and they're set. In all reality, however, you're going to see Tatar and Mursak soon. On a sidenote, I got myself started: Legitimate source -a former Wings goalie- also said don't expect the Red Wings to move to the East. Which kinda sucks.


Trade for Doan and Parise? And what are we giving up, Hudler/Kindl/1st to New Jersey and to Phoenix at the same time?

Want me to really blow your


NO!

mind?


Oh.

Sergei Samsonov comes into my work quite often and I've asked him every time if ANY team has called him yet. He's told me none of interest. What would I do? Bye-bye Drew Miller or Hudler. Hello Sergei Samsonov. He's far removed from his 70+ point back-to-back seasons but for Detroit's style of play, I think he has enough offensive flair left in the tank to help out a struggling Wings team in desperate need of goals.


I like the Sergei Samsonov idea. I've liked the idea of Sergei Samsonov for years. But Ken Holland doesn't. Sergei Samsonov contacted the Wings about trying out, and the Wings said no thanks.


Ya dig, Inglewood Jack?


#2220316 This team screams for a trade

Posted by eva unit zero on 30 October 2011 - 08:21 PM

i can't believe the response to the original post here has been so unanimously negative. it's a little overboard, sure. but he does make some points.

i personally cannot believe how much respect babcock - the same babcock that benched mike modano in the playoffs last season - continues to give to that worthless plug bertuzzi. especially with a ready-to-go talent like nyquist in grand rapids.

certainly there are some things the team needs to address. but there's too much panic right now. far too much.


Modano sat because he was the team's worst forward. Modano was just as bad as Hudler during Hudler's slump. Then he got injured. He wasn't very good after he came back either; a recent hand injury can do that. Why should he have played? He would have brought nothing that would have helped the team against San Jose more than another forward he would be replacing, unless he suddenly returned to his 1999 form.

Uh....:blink:

That's not a knock on your suggestion, quite the opposite. I just remember all the opposition I had on here in the season following Detroit's loss in game 7 of the SCF in 2009 (ya, the one when Hudler was coming back to return us to the promised land) I was on the soapbox begging and begging to sign Travis Moen and Manny Malhotra, yet I got slammed by a number of folks, and got slammed even more when those signed for $1.5M per year in Montreal and San Jose respectively and Holland opted for signing Bertuzzi and Jason Williams for $1.5M each. I was ok with Bertuzzi, but hated, HATED the return of Hudler and the Williams signing. I voiced my opinion of Holland at the time and I think I amassed a -101 that off season. What made matters worse is Malhotra contacted the Wings wanting to sign here, but the team wasn't interested. In the matter of point production, these two really didn't outscore Holland's options or Hudler, but I still think this team would've been a better team and much harder to play against with Moen/Malhotra rather than Williams/Hudler. I do remember that offseason I was suggesting trading Hudler's rights at the draft to try to move up. Could you imagine this lineup with Moen, Malhotra and Bertuzzi instead of Williams, Hudler, Bertuzzi?

...I still think they would've been the better choices, I don't think we lose to San Jose neither time, and quite possibly had a return to the Cup glory, but we'll never know...


I don't specifically remember others, but I was a fan of the Malhotra and Moen ideas; although I thought at the time they were overpaid. I didn't like either Bertuzzi or Williams when they signed, but the reasoning behind it made sense; Williams had produced well and Bert was a pretty solid scorer. If Williams keeps up his numbers that's a very different result in evaluating that move. Also, You bring up "Moen/Malhotra/Bertuzzi vs. Williams/Hudler/Bertuzzi" when the following is the case:

1) Jason Williams and Jiri Hudler were teammates on the Wings in Hudler's rookie year (2006-07), until the trade deadline when Williams was traded.

2) Jason Williams and Todd Bertuzzi were teammates on the Wings in 2009-10, the year Hudler was playing in the KHL.

3) Jiri Hudler and Todd Bertuzzi have been teammates on the Wings since 2010-11.

4) The Wings would not have been able to afford all three of Moen/Malthora/Bertuzzi. Hudler did not affect the cap in 2009-10, remember?

Yes, you are correct, forgive me if I referred to him with us in 08, I am not sure if I did, but in 2009, he was our sniper, he fell off in the playoffs, but if it weren't for a couple of circumstances, the Wings would've won the Cup in 09 as well. There is that whole Bettman circumventing the rules thing that would've had Malkin sitting out in game three all but guaranteeing us a 3-0 lead in the series. But even with that, there were those couple of goal posts in game 7 that if buried would've won it for us too. But, since then we haven't come close to having a pure sniper to play with Datsyuk. Hudler, Franzen or Cleary are not 1st line worthy in that regard. But what else do we have....


Bettman had absolutely zero say in Malkin's non-suspension in 2009. That was Colin Campbell.


#2220111 This team screams for a trade

Posted by eva unit zero on 29 October 2011 - 11:42 PM

Nah, I wouldn't date anyone I met on a message board. Too creepy.


Not even me? I'm one of the best dates out there (when pro-rated to 82 games) Posted Image


#2220060 Assistant Captain - Tomas Kopecky

Posted by eva unit zero on 29 October 2011 - 09:36 PM

Good on him. Sometimes you luck out and get plenty of breaks like people have described. Not like he's doing anything illegal or wrong to get these things. Happy for him.


You tried last season convincing people with a Kopecky thread that he is more than he's worth. Nobody listened to you. If you think he's worth something, great, but why do you think this time around is going to be any different with you trying to convince others?


Psst. Here's a history lesson about Tomas Kopecky. Back when he played in the AHL, on a line with Hudler and Don MacLean, I said he could develop into a top-six forward. People here laughed and made fun of me. When he played on the fourth line in Detroit, I held fast and said he could be a top-six forward, and ideally learn to use his size effectively. Hey, look, guess what? Tomas Kopecky is a top six forward in the NHL. He scored over 40 points last year. He'll probably do it again this year. He plays PP and PK. You can dislike the guy, but at least give him credit.


Even if you don't give me any. Posted Image


#2219678 10/28 GDT: Sharks 4 at Red Wings 2

Posted by eva unit zero on 29 October 2011 - 02:06 AM

Franzen and Hudler floating away tonight.


Hudler was scrapping in corners and made a few noticeable plays to keep the puck in the zone where, had he been floating, it would have been cleared down the ice because of a defenseman out of position.


He wasn't a superstar, but he was one of the better Wings on the ice.


#2219388 10/28 GDT: Sharks 4 at Red Wings 2

Posted by eva unit zero on 28 October 2011 - 07:19 PM

If we had an enforcer on our team, that ref would be intimidated from making that call.


If we had an enforcer on our team, the ref would simply call a penalty the other way to make it even strength...


#2219327 10/28 GDT: Sharks 4 at Red Wings 2

Posted by eva unit zero on 28 October 2011 - 06:58 PM

Why is it that refs ALWAYS favor the sharks when we play them? That call on Nick was extremely weak.


No it wasn't. But it was the right play to make because he saved Howard's ass.


#2219271 Assistant Captain - Tomas Kopecky

Posted by eva unit zero on 28 October 2011 - 06:01 PM

38 goals, 68 assists, and 98 points and counting in the NHL.

2 Stanley Cup championships.

What have you done lately?



#2219072 Who would you pick to have back on this team?

Posted by eva unit zero on 28 October 2011 - 12:37 AM

1988-89 Steve Yzerman.


Not many finer seasons of hockey have been played.


#2218842 What's up with Zetterberg?

Posted by eva unit zero on 26 October 2011 - 09:17 PM

Yes, nothing special about a guy that finished top ten in the entire league in scoring last regular season.

Good move throwing Emma in to distract from that completely absurd statement.


Someone said something?


#2218723 What's up with Zetterberg?

Posted by eva unit zero on 26 October 2011 - 01:23 PM

I've been thinking about this question for the past few days and have come to no conclusion or any sort of opinion, so I thought I'd throw this question out:

Would now be an optimal time to trade Z?

*Not sure if he has a NTC, but in reality, that obstacle has been overcome by teams wanting/needing a player out. Taking that element out of the equation, and just addressing the basic question above.


Zetterberg/Kindl +1st for Bogosian!!!!! Call up Nyquist!!


DO IT NOW!


DON'T WAIT UNTIL THE TEN GAME MARK OR UNTIL HE'S HEALTHY!!