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Why do so many people think this deal is a "steal"?  I didn't think that at all when I saw and I did a little more digging to see how it compares to the others.  A lot of people have been saying they thought he'd get $5-6M, but I look at it as a guy that is signed through to the age of 39, he has had some injuries and he plays a style that tends to lead to injuries.  I agree that he probably would have gotten more on the open market, but he wasn't signed in the open market.  Here is a list of all of the dmen in the league that make $5M+ (a lot of the guys making that money were signed in the open market)

Player, age at end of contract, average points over last 4 years.  

Visnovsky, 38, 46
Chara, 41, 47
Bouwmeester, 30, 33 - overpaid, was way overhyped, good player, but not to the level of hype
Seabrook, 31, 34
Keith, 36, 48
Wisniewski, 33, 41
Lidstrom, 42, 60
Campbell, 36, 42 - everyone knows his deal was stupid
Doughty, 29, 42
Markov, 35, 51
Weber, 26, 41
Gonchar, 39, 40 - Ottawa was desperate for a powerplay quarterback
Timonen, 38, 41
Yandle, 29, 43
Rozival, 33, 28
Martin, 34, 25 - looks overpaid, but signed on open market when not a lot of good dmen were available
Boyle, 37, 48 - everyone knows his deal was stupid
Phaneuf, 29, 42
Green, 26, 57
Byfuglien, 30, 39

By comparison, Kronwall's contract ends at the age of 39 and he's averaged 36 pts.  I know a lot of people will argue that some of the best defensemen don't score a lot of points, which is true, but when it comes to getting paid a lot of money, you tend to need that part of the game as well.

So, based on that list, the only guys making more than $5M and signed to the age of 39 are Chara, Lidstrom and Gonchar.  A lot of the players on the list were signed on the open market as well.  Kronwall's salary should be a little lower because he wasn't a UFA and he signed a long-term deal to the age of 39...he had to take a bit of a discount to get that type of security.

So, I think it is a pretty fair deal, still some risk, but I don't see it as this great steal like a lot of others.

Kindl is collateral damage. He is traded. How many goals have the Wings given up the last four? If that doesnt change, then change will be needed....



Apparently Kindl's upside has show alot the last four games. IF that trend continues throughout the year, Kindl becomes very expendable, changes will need to be made. Now if you read, I said if Commie does his job and earns a re-sign, but if he doesnt then Kindl can stay. If Commie makes an impact, I choose him over Kindl.

Wait a second...isn't Brunnstrom on waivers now? Get outta here! Looks like Emmerton is the next one on the block. See, I did have substance, you just didn't agree with it so you dismissed it.  Just because you don't have an opinion and someone said something in the slightest negative way doesn't mean you have to blast it.

That's cool they won in 2007-2008 with Marian Hossa and the above names when they were five years younger.  But they have lost to San Jose the past two years.  So if history proves correct the Red Wings will be kicked out by San Jose. By all means please try to make me eat that. SPOILER ALERT: You can't hehehehehhehehehe

This is going to be EXTREMELY difficult for you to understand, I know, but what a [different] team ddid five (5) years ago has no affect on what they will do this year. NONE. ZERO. ZIP. ZILCH. NADA. Just as, just as, what they have done the past two years means squat.  How are they playing RIGHT NOW?  Horrible.

Ya dig Inglewood Jack?

And all you can come up with is pointless drivel blasting my post because, as I said, you're just a corn cob who thinks his opinion is more valid and poignant than every other one. s***, you're

smug cloud is even bigger than George Clooney's.  So what's going to happen now is you're going to come in here and make a long, winding post about how much smarter you are than me and try to put me down somehow rather than admit that you are wrong and I am right. Because for whatever reason you need to feel superior to someone on an interwebz message board.  Me, on the other hand, doesn't give two s***s about what you say to me. Truth be told, you could drop dead and I could care less.

With all that being said... trade for Shane Doan and Zack Parise and they're set. In all reality, however, you're going to see Tatar and Mursak soon. On a sidenote, I got myself started: Legitimate source -a former Wings goalie- also said don't expect the Red Wings to move to the East. Which kinda sucks.

Want me to really blow your

mind?

Sergei Samsonov comes into my work quite often and I've asked him every time if ANY team has called him yet. He's told me none of interest.  What would I do? Bye-bye Drew Miller or Hudler. Hello Sergei Samsonov.  He's far removed from his 70+ point back-to-back seasons but for Detroit's style of play, I think he has enough offensive flair left in the tank to help out a struggling Wings team in desperate need of goals.

i can't believe the response to the original post here has been so unanimously negative.  it's a little overboard, sure.  but he does make some points.

i personally cannot believe how much respect babcock - the same babcock that benched mike modano in the playoffs last season - continues to give to that worthless plug bertuzzi.  especially with a ready-to-go talent like nyquist in grand rapids.

certainly there are some things the team needs to address.  but there's too much panic right now.  far too much.

Uh....

That's not a knock on your suggestion, quite the opposite. I just remember all the opposition I had on here in the season following Detroit's loss in game 7 of the SCF in 2009 (ya, the one when Hudler was coming back to return us to the promised land) I was on the soapbox begging and begging to sign Travis Moen and Manny Malhotra, yet I got slammed by a number of folks, and got slammed even more when those signed for $1.5M per year in Montreal and San Jose respectively and Holland opted for signing Bertuzzi and Jason Williams for $1.5M each. I was ok with Bertuzzi, but hated, HATED the return of Hudler and the Williams signing.  I voiced my opinion of Holland at the time and I think I amassed a -101 that off season. What made matters worse is Malhotra contacted the Wings wanting to sign here, but the team wasn't interested. In the matter of point production, these two really didn't outscore Holland's options or Hudler, but I still think this team would've been a better team and much harder to play against with Moen/Malhotra rather than Williams/Hudler.  I do remember that offseason I was suggesting trading Hudler's rights at the draft to try to move up. Could you imagine this lineup with Moen, Malhotra and Bertuzzi instead of Williams, Hudler, Bertuzzi?

...I still think they would've been the better choices, I don't think we lose to San Jose neither time, and quite possibly had a return to the Cup glory, but we'll never know...

Yes, you are correct, forgive me if I referred to him with us in 08, I am not sure if I did, but in 2009, he was our sniper, he fell off in the playoffs, but if it weren't for a couple of circumstances, the Wings would've won the Cup in 09 as well.  There is that whole Bettman circumventing the rules thing that would've had Malkin sitting out in game three all but guaranteeing us a 3-0 lead in the series.  But even with that, there were those couple of goal posts in game 7 that if buried would've won it for us too. But, since then we haven't come close to having a pure sniper to play with Datsyuk.  Hudler, Franzen or Cleary are not 1st line worthy in that regard. But what else do we have....

Nah, I wouldn't date anyone I met on a message board.  Too creepy.

Good on him.  Sometimes you luck out and get plenty of breaks like people have described.  Not like he's doing anything illegal or wrong to get these things.  Happy for him.


You tried last season convincing people with a Kopecky thread that he is more than he's worth.  Nobody listened to you.  If you think he's worth something, great, but why do you think this time around is going to be any different with you trying to convince others?

Franzen and Hudler floating away tonight.

If we had an enforcer on our team, that ref would be intimidated from making that call.

Why is it that refs ALWAYS favor the sharks when we play them? That call on Nick was extremely weak.

Yes, nothing special about a guy that finished top ten in the entire league in scoring last regular season.

Good move throwing Emma in to distract from that completely absurd statement.

I've been thinking about this question for the past few days and have come to no conclusion or any sort of opinion, so I thought I'd throw this question out:

Would now be an optimal time to trade Z?

*Not sure if he has a NTC, but in reality, that obstacle has been overcome by teams wanting/needing a player out.  Taking that element out of the equation, and just addressing the basic question above.