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In Topic: Crosby Vs Ovechkin

14 March 2006 - 06:27 PM

QUOTE (haroldsnepsts @ March 14, 2006 - 07:30AM)
You said you'd never seen or heard of Ovechkin taunting anyone. I was merely pointing out an instance where he had.

It's not like it's unprecedented for him.

Taunting fans is a far cry from taunting opposing players.

Plus I think we can give him a mulligan for that one. Anyone would have done the same thing in that situation.

In Topic: Crosby Vs Ovechkin

12 March 2006 - 05:33 PM

QUOTE (J-Swift @ March 12, 2006 - 02:28AM)
Yep. Safe to say Ovechkin was not well thought of here in Canada.

Though I personally really like Alex. As NN put it, he has a lot of enthusiasm and loves scoring goals.

Crosby yaps, yes, but I think he's really trying to do too much. On a team where half the veterans couldn't possibly care less, he's been put into a leadership role that I don't think he's ready for.

So a bunch of Canadians didn't warm up to a rival country's best players. Wow! Didn't see that one coming! Somebody alert the press! rolleyes.gif

If I was a top Russian player who spent a whole tournament being razzed by a flurry of drunk, obnoxious maple suckers, I'd taunt them as well.

I do agree with you (and Ovechkin) that giving Croz the A was a dumb move.

In Topic: Crosby Vs Ovechkin

12 March 2006 - 05:28 PM

QUOTE (haroldsnepsts @ March 11, 2006 - 11:23PM)
wow, big surprise.  you're disagreeing with me.   scared.gif

I agree that he shows a ton of passion and can fire the team up.  But that doesn't necessarily make him the right personality for captain.  I think Ovechkin is one of the guys you want to be able to turn loose.  To let him shoot his mouth off, go nuts, do whatever he wants. 

He'd have to reign that in some as captain.  It usually doesn't go well if the guy yapping and taunting is the one talking to the refs about penalties.  I'd rather he just be able to do his thing without having to worry about the leadership role.

Crosby has plenty of learning to do before he's ever gonna be a good captain, but I could see it in his personality more. 

Yzerman wasn't exactly a rah rah guy on the ice early in his career.

I 'd say it makes him exactly the right personality for captain. When you look at the guys who are considered the top captains, they're nearly all like that. Messier, Stevens, and Sundin are fiery as hell.

Stevie just shows that the exception proves the rule. He's actually never been a rah rah guy. He leads by example. He also posesses a solemn, quiet dignity that makes other players look up to him.

From what I've seen of Crosby's personality, he's a total douchebag. I couldn't see anyone looking to him for leadership. I also don't think you can learn to be a leader... that's a quality you either have or you don't. Unless he has something that he hasn't shown yet, I just don't see it in him.

In Topic: Crosby Vs Ovechkin

11 March 2006 - 07:34 PM

QUOTE (norrisnick @ March 12, 2006 - 12:38AM)
If anyone is yapping it's Crosby. Ovechkin doesn't taunt or yap. He celebrates and shows unbridled enthusiasm to score goals but he doesn't really do it in a way to rub the other team's noses in it. He's just happy.


I don't know what he's getting at, either. I've never seen Ovechkin yap or taunt anyone, nor have I ever heard about it. When he scores a goal, he pumps his fist, does a little dance, and then swallows up his nearest teammate in a bear hug. He doesn't get in an opposing player's face or anything.

As for Crosby, he's already starting to get a reputation as a whiner. Maybe he's like Gretzky after all. laugh.gif

In Topic: Crosby Vs Ovechkin

11 March 2006 - 04:53 PM

QUOTE (haroldsnepsts @ March 9, 2006 - 04:22AM)
And for voting, I'd take Crosby. In terms of just as a player, I'd pick Ovechkin. But if you include leadership, I think Crosby has more potential to turn into a great leader than Ovechkin.

I couldn't disagree more. Ovechkin has a edge to his game that I have yet to see out of Crosby. He plays hard, lays down tough hits, drives to the net, and shows so much passion and intensity that his teammates can't help but get fired up around him. We've seen this both in Washington and at the Olympics. I have no doubt that he'll Captain the Caps and Russia's int'l teams for a long time. Crosby, on the other hand, is such a wooden Indian I couldn't possibly see anyone rallying behind him.