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#2618179 Red Wings sign D Mike Green (3-years, $18-million)

Posted by Vladiator on 01 July 2015 - 03:04 PM

What's this I hear? Ken Holland actually made a meaningful and reasonable signing on July 1st? Hell I'm going to play the lottery today. 




#2617466 Holland doesn't expect to be busy this offseason

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 30 June 2015 - 10:31 AM

It's been said repeatedly in this thread-this year's UFA class *sucks*. Why are people distraught that Kenny doesn't want to play in the muck? We have awesome prospects coming up, and I for one don't want to hamstring this team with overblown contracts on mediocre players that will then turn around and ass eff us when we try to keep all our young guys down the line.

That being said, I certainly wouldn't mind a good trade or two, but I want nothing to do with UFAs this year.


#2614634 2015 SCF : Chicago Blackhawks vs. Tampa Bay Lightning

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 15 June 2015 - 10:07 PM




#2613343 Report: Cleary wants to return for 1 more season

Posted by kipwinger on 06 June 2015 - 06:09 PM

Lol.  I kind of want it to happen just to see people lose their minds. 




#2611423 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kipwinger on 29 May 2015 - 03:52 PM

There really isn't any reason to take this discussion too far afield.  Anybody who's been around LGW for a while knows the kinds of reactions that Franzen has received around here.  And the criticisms have definitely gone pretty far beyond observations of his play. 

 

If people genuinely feel bad for him, that's fine.  Who am I to say how you should feel about the guy?  I was just making an observation that there were an awful lot of people who had nothing good to say about him and wanted him gone at any cost.  Many went so far as to feminize his name (because chicks are lame bro! durrrrrr).  And some of those same people now act like they really give a crap about the guy...so long as he still leaves, of course.

 

I wish the guy all the good health in the world.  And if he wants to continue playing hockey, or trying to play hockey, who the hell am I to wish otherwise?  He and his doctors certainly know better than I do whether he's subjecting himself to anything unwise.  And he and his family are far more capable of weighing the risks and rewards of playing than any of us. 




#2611407 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kipwinger on 29 May 2015 - 01:46 PM

lol Kipwinger... I played college hockey and all of the things you mentioned are called chirps. They happen every game to almost every player in every stadium. No-one is immune to it and none of it should be taken as personal insult - and it almost never is. I have been called much worse on the ice than whatever Johan Franzen has been called in this thread, by some people who I actually call friends today. I'm not saying its classy, but I don't think the fans on this site are truly questioning his sexuality, mental health, or criminality,

 

The reason I made the comment is because people (unfortunately) tend to use those same expressions in these forums (probably not in good taste) out of frustration when he isn't producing.. I cant count how many times I've screamed at my TV with a lot worse to say about Franzen than what you just mentioned, because his struggles always come down to effort - and this is hockey for f*** sake.

 

If he wasn't capable of so much more - people wouldn't be as harsh on him. Sorry, if 6'3 - 222 LB Johan Franzen played with even half the intensity as a Justin Abdelkader, Darren Helm, or Luke Glendenning (players who are all more effective with a fraction of the skillset) people wouldn't be so harsh on him.

 

If people were calling him a homosexual (as you say) after he scored a hat-trick and actually plays with some heart - I would have a much different opinion.

 

I think you missed some pretty relevant contextual information.  I'm talking about the fans, on this site, saying those things about him.  Not other players, on the ice. 

 

I think it's trashy for fans to attack the guy personally, and then pretend to have sincere concern for his person later on.  Regardless of his work ethic. 

 

I don't care what other players say to him on the ice. 




#2611369 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kipwinger on 29 May 2015 - 10:56 AM

I wish Franzen well, and hope he can come back to play with Sheahan on our 3rd line. But if he comes back, its only a matter of time before people revert back to saying the outlandish things they said about the guy, and I'm probably one of them. This is because polarizing players have a way of garnering such a reaction... If Franzen wasn't such a skilled player, and history didn't provide a multitude of statistically great stretches of play (especially in the playoffs), we wouldn't react the way we do if/when he didn't show up for 2 weeks.

 

If he was a role player - there wouldn't be a "Johan Franzen is lazy and he sucks" thread on this website.

 

Phil Kessel is one of the most criticized forwards in all of hockey - and take a look at his numbers, a lot better than Franzen's? This is because he has demonstrated the ability to play at a high level, and usually effort is the only reason he doesn't. This is what makes people mad. Johan Franzen is no different - head injuries or not.

 

So because he doesn't play up to his potential we should all expect, and participate, in the pejorative speculation about his sexuality, mental health issues, and criminality? 

 

He's been accused of everything from being a homosexual to intentionally defrauding the Wings by faking the severity of his injury.  It's over the top.  And the fact that he's "polarizing" is no excuse. 

 

Wings fans LOVE to go on and on about how classy they are.  And how loutish and ignorant other teams' fans are.  But in the case of Johan Franzen, quite a lot of Wings fans have been completely and totally trashy. 




#2612698 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 01 June 2015 - 11:30 AM

There's no question that Markstrom stole game 5 as well as playing a pretty big part in the entire series. That was one of many HUGE saves that he made last night. That one on Sproul, another one on Bertuzzi, one on Larkin, and several others. There was also a fair amount of luck on their side, with us hitting what had to be 4 or 5 posts, a couple in the last couple minutes alone... It's been a great run so far, I hope they can win the next two and have another shot at the Calder Cup. Odds are against them but it's definitely doable...




#2612216 WCF : (3) Chicago Blackhawks vs. (1) Anaheim Ducks

Posted by Dr Dubya on 30 May 2015 - 08:55 PM

 

Crawford is solid right now.  No rebounds.  Gotta give him credit as well.

 

Jeez, Ducks are playing like garbage.

Lol Crawford.




#2612207 WCF : (3) Chicago Blackhawks vs. (1) Anaheim Ducks

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 30 May 2015 - 08:48 PM

This entire playoff season has been a nightmare. Literally hot 4 day old barf in a plastic wastebasket.


#2612181 WCF : (3) Chicago Blackhawks vs. (1) Anaheim Ducks

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 30 May 2015 - 08:31 PM

 

Blashill is going down the same path at Boudreau.

 

Excellence in the AHL?  Check

Calder cup?  Check

 

Wings fans may be saying the same thing about Blashill if he turns the Wings into a regular season powerhouse and then has 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round exits.

 

Anyway, the coach isn't out there playing the game.  The team is to blame more so than the coach.

 

Hey, I'll take third round exits at this point.  I forgot what those feel like.  

 

Quenneville used to be labeled a playoff choker also.  Now, he's two weeks away from his 3rd Cup.  




#2610419 At what point does the GM deserve credit/blame?

Posted by darkmanx on 26 May 2015 - 05:17 PM

Ken Holland has been with the organization for 30 years.  18 of which he's been the GM.  He started as as scout, then the director of scouting, then the assistant GM, then the co-GM, and then the full GM.  It's not a coincidence that he was hired just prior to the Wings beginning an epic playoff streak. 
 
To try and dismiss his contributions to the organization as anything less than profound would be an absolutely gross understatement.  He's been more important to this team's success then any other individual. 
 
If you hire a GM from outside the organization, you can argue he's riding coattails.  But it's a little hard to say that about a guy who's been a member of the Red Wings longer than Steve Yzerman and Nick Lidstrom. 
 
To a lesser extent, this is true of Stan Bowman as well.  Sure Tallon was the GM before him.  But he started with Chicago in 2001 when they were a garbage team.  Unless he was just standing around playing with himself for 8 years he likely contributed to their assent.  Is he entirely responsible?  No.  But he's contributed from the bottom up. 
 
Yzerman doesn't deserve much credit for that first conference finals appearance as he had just come in from outside the organization and had been with the team for less than a year.  But he deserves credit for every single other success they've had since. 


People will always s*** on Holland and it's pretty sad. No one really knows what we have had the last 20 years until it's gone. He has an eye for talent and continues to pick the correct draft picks year after year. I mean Larkin could have probably been picked top 5 last year at the pace he's at right now. In my opinion he's a huge steal for us.


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#2610399 At what point does the GM deserve credit/blame?

Posted by amato on 26 May 2015 - 01:00 PM

  Johnson for instance was drafted before Yzerman was in the pipeline.  

 

Johnson was undrafted. and was signed as a free agent by tampa bay in 2011... after Yzerman took over. 




#2610400 At what point does the GM deserve credit/blame?

Posted by marcaractac on 26 May 2015 - 01:01 PM

If a GM comes in to a successful franchise and maintains success, they deserve credit. 100%. A few careless moves and the core of a great team can fall apart.

 

If a GM comes into a mess and can't show any progress after a 2-3 years (even improving at the AHL level is a start), they are at fault. It's a case of if you're not a part of the solution, you're a part of the problem. 

 

If a GM comes into a success and turns it into a mess, well, that speaks for itself.




#2610376 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 26 May 2015 - 09:56 AM

I honestly wouldn't be at all surprised if the Griffins win 4 straight, taking the series in 5. I think we're much deeper up front (GRG - 3.5 GF/G vs UTI - 2.2 GF/G) and better on the back end as well, but we lose in the goaltending battle (GRG - 2.9 GA/G, UTI - 2.2 GA/G). We have much better special teams (GRG - 25%PP, UTI - 14.8%PP / GRG - 84.1%PK, UTI - 77.2%PK). Markstrom is the better goalie, but since those first two goals against McCollum, he has looked very solid. They finished 3 points ahead in the regular season but with the additions of Larkin and Bertuzzi, I think that puts us over the top.