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#2609206 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by gcom007 on 20 May 2015 - 07:06 PM

I'm sorry but it really doesn't work like that. People wanted Mrazek because he looks to actually be better than Howard. People want Blashill because he actually looks to be one of the better options.


I'm not denying that fans will say stuff like that in some situations, but this clearly isn't a case of that and it seems kinda lazy and ignorant to reduce everybody's analysis of those situations (including Babs in regard to Mrazek and Holland in regard to Blashill) to "We WaNtZ tHE BAcKUP!!!" It's just not the case.


I'm not even talking about Mrazek really, because I don't really consider him a backup goalie, and he really wasn't supposed to be the backup goalie. Just about everyone knows he's the starter of the future, it's just a matter of when that future really begins. He's no backup.


And I absolutely think it's a bit like that with Blashill still. I'm not saying he's lousy, but people are getting way too ahead of themselves about a guy with zero experience as a head coach in the NHL. Again, I'm not saying he's going to be bad, not at all. But people are acting like he's going to come in and run this team better than Babcock has. Maybe he will, but one of these guys in this comparison has a Stanley Cup and has won more games as a Red Wings coach than any other Red Wing coach in history. The other has never coached a game in the NHL as a head coach.


It's one thing to hope for the best and be optimistic, it's another thing to assume that in Blashill's first year he's going to outdo Babcock, a coach who's arguably viewed as one of the best in the game if not the best.

#2608977 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by GoalieManPat on 20 May 2015 - 01:28 PM


The Griffins had a very good team this year and it took them some time to gel.  I can attribute the Griffins success to Blashill this year.  As you said, not all head coaches are good assistant coaches.  Will he succeed?  I certainly hope so.  If he struggles out of the gate, many wings fans will not have tolerance for failure.  Heck, 1st round playoff exits won't cut it for many of the fans here.  Its not "cup or bust" by any stretch, but you get the idea.


Im not saying the Griffins are a bad team by any means. Im just saying his first your GR was really good. Since then due to callups and player movement the team isnt nearly as strong as the 12-13 team yet hes still getting the same results. Personally I like the idea of a Michigan boy coming it and bring the Wings back to an elite team.

#2608976 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by kipwinger on 20 May 2015 - 01:28 PM

Losing the best coach in hockey because of an insulting offer compared to others..yep , that contract extension has been well deserved lol All the best Babs your job got harder each and every season and your GM never brought in the much needed help Toronto is an unbelievable tough market good luck you'll need it. I hope going with Blashill finally means going for Austin Mathews too and start the rebuild


I thought you'd be extra happy today?  Your favorite team just got your favorite coach.  Buck up pal. 

#2608584 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 19 May 2015 - 01:33 PM

Against Utica we were without Pulkkinen in the 4-2 loss, but he played and had two assists in the 5-1 win...

Against Oklahoma City, Pulkkinen had the only Griffins goal in the 4-1 loss, had no points and was a -1 in the 5-2 win, had no points and a -1 in the 3-2 loss, and had a hat trick and +4 in the 7-1 win...


Mantha played all 6 games, scoring 2 goals and adding 2 assists...


Marchenko played in every game except the 7-1 win against Oklahoma, and had a goal and 2 assists in the 5 games...


Ouellet missed both games against Utica and played 2 of the 4 against Oklahoma, getting 2 assists...


Ferraro played all 6, and went pointless in all but the 5-2 win over Oklahoma where he had 2 goals... He obviously won't be playing...


Callahan played in all but the last game against Oklahoma, scoring 1 goal in 5 games... He remains on injured reserve...


Sproul played in all 6 games and racked up 6 assists... He will likely remain a healthy scratch... No idea why...

#2608001 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by rick zombo on 15 May 2015 - 02:18 PM


The fact of the matter is unless we are picking in the top 10, our chances of drafting an elite player are going to be very slim.  If you look at the offensive leaders this year, most of them have been high draft picks.  In fact, in the top 10 this year, only Jiri Hudler and Jamie Benn were chosen in the 2nd round and later.  Every other player was a 1st round high draft pick.


In the new NHL, you can draft smart like the Wings and not get a star player.  You have a greater chance of landing that franchise player by having bad seasons and drafting high.  This is how the Blackhawks built their team.  This is how the Lightning built their new team.  Here is a great article on the value of players and the draft pick position of those players in relation.




In short, if we want an elite player, we either have to get lucky in the later rounds OR have a poor season and try to get a elite player in the first 5 picks and hope it pans out.  Since getting an elite player is easier for those that are picking high, it would make sense to have some poor seasons to get those high draft picks.  Nothing is for certain though.  Its not like everyone picking #1 is drafting a stud.  There have been some real dogs out there for sure.


But it is possible to get an allstar D man in outside of the top 10:


Weber - 2nd round

Subban - 2nd round

Keith - 2nd Round


Even Karlsson went 15th.


There is hope.

#2606567 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by nyqvististhefuture on 07 May 2015 - 12:40 PM

As long as they bring up cups they can celebrate any way they'd like

Still remember game 7 stl in double o.t when yzerman roofed it top corner to win and he's jumping up and down like a mad man

Celebrations can be fun and memorable :)

#2606074 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by Son of a Wing on 05 May 2015 - 07:31 AM

Everyone not named Z, Pasha (we wouldn't get a good price back and it would be classless to trade them), Kronner and Howard.


Soo...trading everyone but Datsyuk and Zetterberg to purposely make us not competitive is not classless?   


That's a f***ed up sense of logic.


I'd love to see that conversation with our leadership group.


Just to get one shiny new toy. Selfish and disgraceful way of thinking.

#2605696 Call Out the NHL on BS

Posted by kliq on 03 May 2015 - 12:34 PM

I totally agree that there's a lot of inconsistency in how the game is officiated, but we can't ignore that the players are getting stronger, faster and more skilled. That above all else is the cause of change we see in the NHL.

They did put restrictions on goalie equipment size, while still keeping them protected. Remember, not a single goalie would've been ok being maskless with Weber shots flying by eye level at 100 mph.


Totally agree. Anyone who thinks that hockey can go back to the way it was 50 years ago is either completely clueless to how much faster/stronger/skilled the players are now a days, or just refuse to accept it.


Anyone who thinks the players of 50 years ago are "tougher" then today, have no clue. If Jacques Plante gets hit in the temple with a Shea Weber Slap Shot, he's not shaking it off, he's unconscious. I would even argue if it hits him in the wrong place, could result in death.


The reason why the guys from years ago played through injuries is because the guys from 50 years ago were not being hit even close to as hard as the guys from today. Sure guys back then played through broken fingers and toes etc. but so do the guys now a days (ie. Abby).


Plus, if all these guys from years back thought that the way it was is better then today, they wouldn't be suing the NHL in 2015.

#2605633 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by Holmstrom96 on 02 May 2015 - 09:24 PM


How do you define "competitive"?  Making the playoffs every year and losing in the early round?


If so, then I agree that we're competitive.


Since when do we need to measure team success against Edmonton and Buffalo?   


How do you define "competitive"?  Winning the Stanley Cup every year?


Holland's Wings are competitive.  They win more than they lose.  They go to the playoffs, EVERY YEAR.  They're just a couple players away from a championship team.


There are 30 teams.  30 GMs.


53% chance of making the playoffs

27% chance of making it to the second round

13% chance of making it to the conference finals

7% chance of making it to the cup finals

3% chance of winning the cup


Under Holland since '97, this is how we've done:

100% - Made Playoffs

64% - made it to second round

31% - made it to conference finals

25% - made it to Stanley Cup finals

19% - won Stanley Cup



It's time for people to chill.  You can't always win, but damn, we sure do win more than we don't.

#2605002 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by romagoth on 30 April 2015 - 12:12 PM

New to this board but been following it for awhile now.


I just can't understand the amount of hyperbole from some people regarding Holland. We are in an age of absolute parity in the NHL, this isn't the 50's and 60's when Montreal won 5 straight Cups. Making the playoffs is the goal now, because as we have seen anything can happen once the playoffs start (just look at the Kings last year). The days of winning the president's trophy and rolling through the playoffs year after year are over. Holland has made mistakes but he has still done a remarkable job with what he has been given.

So what, if we made the playoffs for 24 consecutive seasons (you don't get a trophy for it). Its not about making it to the playoffs, it's what you do in the playoffs that matters.

Go ahead and tell that to the 22 teams that didn't make the playoffs this year. I am thankful for our playoff streak, it gives me more Wings hockey into the spring/early summer while other fans are watching....baseball.

#2604392 ECQF Game 7 GDT : at Lightning 2, Red Wings 0 (Tampa wins series, 4-3)

Posted by Fonzarelli on 29 April 2015 - 09:07 PM

Let's face it. Detroit was never meant to win this series. All one has to do is look at the 2 home games that they frittered away. They did this to themselves, year after year after year.

#2604381 ECQF Game 7 GDT : at Lightning 2, Red Wings 0 (Tampa wins series, 4-3)

Posted by derblaueClaus on 29 April 2015 - 09:06 PM

Of course. Well Tampa got the Lucky bounces the Wings didn't get tonight.

#2604207 ECQF Game 7 GDT : at Lightning 2, Red Wings 0 (Tampa wins series, 4-3)

Posted by BuckeyeWingsfan80 on 29 April 2015 - 08:45 PM


Maybe we can blame them for Detroit not putting the puck in the net.  Better yet, maybe they will do it for us.


God forbid people don't blame the refs for SOMETHING in a close playoff game....


Christ it's like listening to Ped State fans in college football...

#2604183 ECQF Game 7 GDT : at Lightning 2, Red Wings 0 (Tampa wins series, 4-3)

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 29 April 2015 - 08:41 PM

Oh shut up all you damn bandwagon fans.

#2604024 ECQF Game 7 GDT : at Lightning 2, Red Wings 0 (Tampa wins series, 4-3)

Posted by derblaueClaus on 29 April 2015 - 08:10 PM

Wow. What a game !