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#2686082 Dan Cleary Gets Training Camp Tryout

Posted by krsmith17 on 18 September 2016 - 09:44 PM

Yes, Cleary did spend some time on IR last season and if he does get another deal and again plays in Grand Rapids, I would expect a similar number of games / production again. He's a great mentor for the kids and they all love him down there. I'd personally like to see him spend another season down there helping out the kids on and off the ice. So, no it's not because he was horrible. It's really pissing me off how much disdain some fans are getting over such a great guy, that gave this organization so much over the years. Sure, he stayed a year or two too long, but is that on him? No.

LeftWinger, what's going on with you? I mean you're at least somewhat bearable during the season, but every offseason it's the same old s*** with you. Nothing but doom and gloom, every post is worse than the previous. Relax man, the season starts soon...

#2673164 Fixing this mess....

Posted by kliq on 23 April 2016 - 10:12 AM

Saying "he doesn't like to do it" means "doesn't do it" to me. Why would his mindset have any bearing on anything? From your characterization, I can deduce that we might get Yandle, but, hey, Holland will have an internal battle about it. If you're interested in predicting whether we'll sign a UFA, then we're looking at whether we've done it in the past.


My list was not everyone from the past 10 years. Only Hossa is from that long ago. The rest were all brought in the last 5 years (Conklin was brought in twice - once a few years ago). I'm sure there are some that I didn't list as well - someone mentioned Cole, Zidlicky and Coliacovo, Huskins, were also other players from outside the organization.


Alfie, Weiss, Green, Dekeyser were all top UFAs in their years. Alfie and Weiss were past their primes, but Green and DK don't fit your categorization the UFAs we've brought in (yes, Green may be past his prime in the sense that he's not the award winner that he was, but he was 29 when we signed him and he's still a very good hockey player).


I remember watching TSN all day on July 1st, and they had Mike Green ranked as the #1 Free Agent. I also remember the year Weiss was signed, and he was ranked as I believe the #4 Free Agent. I think when someone has a point that they are trying to push, it doesn't matter how many examples you or I give, they will just give reasons to dismiss them. ie. "He doesn't count because he is too old, not in his prime, didnt work out, too long ago, he was unproven etc."


Holland has been plenty active when it comes to bringing in UFA's. Now, if the question was "Is Ken Holland bringing in UFA's that live up to their expectations?" that may be a different story.

#2672004 Fixing this mess....

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 20 April 2016 - 10:33 PM

Chicago has remained competitive despite their moves, not because of them. Bowman deserves to be applauded for maintaining a solid secondary cast, but Holland and the Wings have been doing the same thing for twice as long. It is far harder to replace your very best players. I'd venture to say it's impossible without a great deal of luck. We'll see how Bowman handles that when the time comes.

We've been building from the draft. It takes patience. I do believe we've been replacing our best players. I think Mrazek, Larkin, and Dekeyser are "core" worthy players. Maybe Mantha, Sverchnikov or AA step up to that level. Tatar and Nyquist are on the edge of that as well. I know people are down because we slumped in the second half, but we made the playoffs and we are deep into the rebuild currently. I think things look great for the future.


I mean who'll be left from the old guard? Z, Kronwall, and maybe Howard (though he's only 32) They'll be good for leadership even if they're not elite in the coming years (though, Howie could/should be traded). I don't understand why people want to tear it down completely.


This was a smart savy move by Bowman. Sharp was 33 at the time and making 5.9 million per year. He just finished a season were his goal scoring dropped by 50% without missing any games and playing on the B hawks top line. Bowman also had to resign his younger stars. So he moved Sharp believing he was in decline. Well he was right. Sharpe went from 30+ goals with the hawks, to 17 goals to 16 goals this past season with the Stars. he is now 34. Now compare with say Z. Z is 2 years older and signed for 5 more years at a higher cap. His production has dropped at an equal rate as Sharp. Is there any chance at all the Holland will ever move Z? Even if it is the best thing for the team? That if the difference between a great GM trying to win and a average GM that is trying not to loose.

They moved Sharp because they were in a cap crunch not because he was declining. I'm sure they would have kept him if they could fit him in. 


And what's up with the false stats?

Sharp had 20 goals and 55 pts with the Stars this year. That's UP from his 16 goals and 43 pts with the Hawks the year before. Did you lie just to force your argument?


Also, in the 2014-15 season when his goals dipped to 16, he didn't play the full season as you say, and only played 68 due to injury. Here's a link:



#2669971 Fixing this mess....

Posted by krsmith17 on 17 April 2016 - 10:23 AM

I guess you missed my point... This team is in transition and people shouldn't be looking for major changes or a quick fix. We need to continue to build from within and just make a couple minor tweaks along the way...

We probably should be looking to trade a player like Ericsson, but with his no trade clause and not quite playing at the level of his contact, that isn't likely to happen. Smith should not be traded, he should be in the lineup. But if Blashill continues to refuse playing him, despite him being a much better option than some others that are immune to being scratched, then I'll agree, we should trade him. I just know if a team traded for him, a different coach would be able to get the most out of him and he'd be a very solid top 4 defenseman. Jurco and Pulkkinen should not be traded for the simple fact that their value is at an all time low right now. Jurco will be a very good top 9 forward (possibly even top 6), Pulkkinen I'm not so sure about.

I'd throw Howard's name out there to see if there's any interest, but if we have to retain a significant amount of his cap, I don't do it. Also I'd consider holding onto Howard for another year, if it means getting Mrazek significantly cheaper.

We should re-sign Helm, and he will not get anything close to Abdelkader money. I don't see us re-signing Quincey, but if we did, it wouldn't be the worst move we could make, and if we did it would likely mean that one of the other defensemen is gone. DeKeyser won't get $6M and Mrazek won't get $5M.

I still think there's a strong possibility that Datsyuk plays out his contract, but even if he doesn't, I don't see us re-signing Richards.

#2666782 Free Press: Pavel Datsyuk to return to Russia following Playoffs

Posted by puckloo39 on 10 April 2016 - 10:51 AM

I am enjoying the discussion and ideas here... It's not over yet.  I am waiting for the end of the Wings' run for the Cup -- ideally, with a Cup! -- until I get too overwhelmed here. 


Stranger things have happened, and he might stay to play out his contract.   Z will retire, too, and then we have a whole new ball game (puck game, what have you). 

#2639281 Ferraro on waivers

Posted by DickieDunn on 25 November 2015 - 02:22 PM

Would you be willing to trade a new car for 5 rusted out pieces of crap that don't run?


A lot of crap is still crap.  Adding more crap to it doesn't make it valuable.

#2627808 Kane case headed to grand jury

Posted by Euro_Twins on 30 September 2015 - 06:49 PM

Someone had to put their twenty cents in. ;)

Well it wasn't gonna be Kane that's for sure

#2627583 Kane case headed to grand jury

Posted by DatsyukianDekes on 28 September 2015 - 10:38 AM


I am not assuming anything at this point.  Presenting a video where professional athletes have went broke for various reasons, including being taken advantage of, isn't bias.  So far, there is no proof of innocence or guilt.  Either way, I hope the truth comes out for the sake of the NHL and hockey and Kane is either exonerated or put in jail accordingly.


Sorry I might have misunderstood your original post.

#2625174 2015-2016 expectations

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 10 September 2015 - 04:57 PM

CUP OR BUST!!!!1111!!1!

*craps pants*

In all seriousness, I will consider this season a success if we can make it out of the first round. With a new coach, new staffssss, and youngins possibly coming up, I'm not going to be butthurt if that's as far as it goes.

#2624739 Cleary re-signs... 1 year deal

Posted by frankgrimes on 05 September 2015 - 01:50 AM

As expected and really I don't see a problem with this. At best he will be an emergency call up from the Grand Rapids and while being there he can show some younger guys (Mantha, Larkin) the way and since the 950k aren't counting against the cap it doesn't really matter. Personally I'm in favor of everything that helps prepare Larkin, Mantha better for the big club in a few years if that includes signing a veteran with a great work ethic so be it.

#2624733 Cleary re-signs... 1 year deal

Posted by kliq on 04 September 2015 - 11:12 PM

Loyalty...this all but guarantees that KFQ will be back...oh happy days! Doesn't Holland realize that #redwingfansmatter?


How does this signing in any way effect you? I dont see how Holland signing him, means he is showing any type of disrespect towards the fans.


Its basically a minor league contract, we are not going to lose anybody because of it, the money will not count towards the cap.

#2624031 Moving Jimmy Howard

Posted by GoWings1905 on 28 August 2015 - 06:20 PM

No. I wouldn't even consider it until next summer.

1. The Red Wings are a better team with both Mrazek and Howard than with any pieces they could possibly get for Howard.

2. Howard was a really good goalie until January last season and Mrazek hasn't seen the grind of a full NHL season yet.

3. What's the insurance policy if you trade Howard and Mrazek gets hurt?

#2619687 Hoggan, Paetsch, and Grant resigned...

Posted by barabbas16 on 08 July 2015 - 06:04 PM

Sports betting

Well, now he's ruined his shot at the Hall of Fame.

#2619672 Hoggan, Paetsch, and Grant resigned...

Posted by Mckinley25 on 08 July 2015 - 04:43 PM

Sports betting

Well warm up the firing squad then.

#2619111 Nyquist Files For Arbitration

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 July 2015 - 04:55 PM

It's amazing how fast people will turn on a player.


If memory serves, this is more of a basic procedural thing than a real indication that things are going poorly.  By filing for arbitration Nyquist forfeits the right to accept an offer sheet from other teams.  In other words, he's committing to the Wings by filing.  


Today is the deadline to file so the timing is likely a result of that, not something that happened with the Wings.  I'm pretty sure this is something players do that's just a backup plan for a worst case scenario. And again, by doing so he cannot accept an offer sheet from another team.