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#2534274 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by Nightfall on 14 August 2014 - 05:23 PM

 

That's a pretty easy challenge for you to win considering you never really know who is on the market as a GM until they take a job somewhere.   :lol:

 

This is true to some extent.  However, lets look at some of the people whom some fans wanted as GM of the Wings instead of Holland.

 

Yzerman - So far, he has done well at Tampa Bay.  Their roster this year looks better than last year.  Except since he took over, they made the playoffs their first year, missed the second year and third year, and then made it last year only to get swept in the first round.  Better than Holland?  That remains to be seen.

 

Ray Shero would be the only guy I would even consider being GM of the Wings. 


Nothing screams job accountability like giving an extension to a guy that's gotten consistently worse at his job each year in the last 5 years.

 

That pizza selling vegetable Ilitch needs to sell the team to someone who still gives a s***.  


 

So you don't believe in job accountability?

 

Just because someone was good 10 years ago, shouldn't give them a pass to be lazy at their current job.  

 

If his job is to ensure that we have a competitive team that competes for a championship every season, he has achieved his goal.

 

If you are measuring accountability by championship or nothing, then there are 29 other GMs who are also failing.




#2534255 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by Nightfall on 14 August 2014 - 01:22 PM

Really like it, our farm system has never looked better. The last few years haven't been ideal, but our playoff streak is still intact and Ken Holland is the reason. There isn't a franchise in the league that never has a few average seasons between great ones. His legacy is going on the line here though, if this team struggles and wastes the last few years of Dats/Zetterberg there aren't going to be fans lining up to reminding us of the 3 Stanley Cups we won with him and having the best team in the league from 1997-2010 which is unfortunate. Time will tell if Ken Holland has a master plan with this franchise, or if he's just meddling his last years in mediocrity hoping his past success will be his legacy.

 

My thoughts are you never know what you have until it's gone, and for me I think that rings true for Holland. Fans in Detroit have incredible expectations, which is understood, but I don't know of many hockey GM's in the history of the league that could satisfy this fan bases appetite of not only winning, but winning Stanley Cups for over 20 years. Notice I said the history of the league, I don't think there is a better option for the team right now other than Holland, he knows the players we have in the system, if our goal is to win it all soon he gives us our best option. If we want to tank, and surely waste the last years of Datsyuk/Zetterberg, and hopefully build up to a playoff franchise in 5 years then we should get a young GM and give him the reigns, I just don't think that's that right plan.

 

Best post in this thread.  I agree 100%.

 

Yes, I am not happy with Holland's lack of success when it comes to luring free agents.  At the same time though, he has kept us competitive.  We continue to make the playoffs, and people forget that a year ago, we took the cup champs to 7 games and had them on the ropes up 3 games to 1.  The cup champions last season were #6 in the western conference.  Making the playoffs, being healthy, and getting some puck luck is really all it takes to win the cup these days. 

 

For those of you who want to see Holland gone, I would challenge you to find a GM that is better on the market right now.  I see no reason to ditch Holland now in exchange for someone unknown or unproven.

 

I know I am happy with the work he has done in the past, and even though the Wings haven't won the cup or been to the cup finals since 2009, I am good with this signing.




#2532075 Holland Wiki page edited

Posted by Nightfall on 14 July 2014 - 07:10 PM

No one here is saying they could do a better job as GM. All people are saying is that there are other potential GMs out there that could have better addressed the team's needs. Looking at other organizations like Dallas and Tampa, there is an argument to be made.

 

Dallas, a team that was the last place team in the Western Conference to secure a playoff spot and hasn't been relevant since they lost to the Wings back in 2008.

 

Tampa Bay, a team that actually did pretty well last year and then got swept by Montreal.  The past two seasons before that they didn't even make the playoffs.  This is with Yzerman at the helm who was considered to be better than Holland.

 

Sure, these teams seemed to address their teams needs, but we will see how the product on the ice looks and how they do in playoffs.


I don't know. I just don't find it funny much. 

 

Same here man.  I guess I am not a butthurt fan.  Sure, I wanted to see a high priced free agent come into play.  At the same time though, I am ok with the moves that Holland has made so far.  Giving the kids a chance is what he needed to do and he is going to do it.  Cleary is just an insurance policy.  He won't be beating out someone for a roster spot if they are better. 


 

It kills me when posters cite Holland not signing all these UFAs to big deals as a good thing, and that's why we want him, when in fact, he is out there pitching the same huge deals to the UFAs as everyone else, he just keeps getting rejected. How do they conveniently ignore that? And it's not just this year! The stupidity of some of the statements in light of the facts is mind-blowing to me. Holland offers a guy the same deal or a bigger deal, guy signs with other team, and somehow we're lucky to have a GM that doesn't sign UFAs to huge deals? Seriously? I just don't even know where to start when people are so loyal that they can't begin to be even remotely objective about the realities of the situation.

 

Being objective would be looking at the entire situation.  Suter and Parise wanted to play in Minnesota.  They have ties to the area.  Same with Vanek.  Boyle has family in New York and requested to play there for less since the Rangers were against the cap.  Players will do what it takes to go somewhere they want to go.  When Dekeyser chose to come to Detroit, and the contracts were the same no matter where he went, did you give credit to Holland for this?




#2529681 Wings sign Andy Miele (former Hobey Baker winner)

Posted by Nightfall on 02 July 2014 - 11:46 PM

Are we going for the Calder Cup??

 

Since Blashill took over down there, the answer is yes.  That hasn't been the case with our coaches in the past who haven't done much with the talent they have been given.  A strong farm system is just as valuable as a strong NHL team.




#2529492 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by Nightfall on 02 July 2014 - 01:15 PM

People don't want to play for teams because they're good organizations. They want to play for teams that will either pay them way more than they're worth or give them a chance to win (or both). Detroit simply doesn't provide the latter now that Nicklas Lidstrom is gone.

 

This is very true and it makes sense.  In some cases, people make decisions to play for their favorite team.  Like Vanek did with Minnesota or DeKeyser did with the Wings.  Still, to those people who are not loyal to a team, they want top dollar or a chance to compete for the cup or both.
 




#2529071 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by Nightfall on 01 July 2014 - 07:46 PM

Well, all I can say is....crap.

 

If you don't agree with the way this team is being run, I recommend that you don't watch them on TV.  Don't spend money on tickets.  Don't spend money on jerseys.  If you want to watch good hockey live, spend money on college and semi-pro games instead.

 

When the lockout happened, I promised myself I wouldn't spend a dime on the NHL and so far, I haven't done that.  I still watch the games, but I couldn't care less about anyone who advertises for the Wings games.  This year, I won't sit out from watching the Wings, thats for sure.  The Wings are my team.  I am disappointed in what has happened in the offseason, but I won't cash in my fan card because the team falls on hard times.




#2528685 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Nightfall on 01 July 2014 - 04:29 PM

No offense but we are not Edmonton. You can't tell me a player like Connor Mcdavid doesn't instantly make us better.

 

Just saying that tanking for a season doesn't indicate that we will be instantly better.  I don't know what Connor McDavid would do to our team at all.  People thought the same thing of first round picks in the past that have fizzled out.

 

I will say this much....

 

Detroit will find themselves out of the playoff picture in the next few years.  May not happen this coming year, but it will once Dats and Z get further up in age and don't produce as much.  Then you will get your wish about tanking.




#2528673 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Nightfall on 01 July 2014 - 04:24 PM

I semi agree. The quickest way for us to get better fast is to tank this season. One of the best drafts of the decade is coming up and it would be nice to get a top ten pick.

 

Yup, that works so well for Edmonton with all their high draft picks.




#2525589 Alfie informs Wings he wants to return

Posted by Nightfall on 24 June 2014 - 09:46 PM

mar, I fully understand the rebuilding process, I just wish we would do it or go for the cup. I don't mind if we have 2-3 losing seasons, get highly rated top draft choices and then begin the next 15 year run. Its the half a$$ patch and pug approach that bothers me. We are not getting better and we are not getting the young high end talent we need to get better.

When it comes to bad for long periods of time, I remember the 70's all to well. The RW's had no real plan. Very similar to what we are doing today.

 

Rebuilding through the draft really is the key.  You are right that we don't have the next Dats and Zetterberg in the system right now.  We have some solid talent, but nothing really elite.  As for going for broke, I really don't believe that is the best way to run a team.

 

I will say that we are going to have some losing seasons down the road.  We can't keep up this playoff streak forever.  I would like them to make a couple moves, stay competitive, and get into the playoffs.  This season, the #6 and #7 teams made it to the finals.  Anything can happen come playoff time.




#2525477 Detroit re-signs Gustavsson 1 yr $1.85 mill

Posted by Nightfall on 24 June 2014 - 01:02 PM

 

I'm not sure whether that is the case with Mrazek right now. Maybe they really want him to finally play 60+ games for the Griffins, or they think there's a couple of things he has left to work on? I don't know, but I would have thought bringing him up this season would have made more sense too, unless the Wings want more bargaining power when he's an RFA at the end of the year

 

They want him to play more, and I know I would like to see that as well.  Bringing Mrazek up wouldn't change the starting goalie this year.  If they chose not to sign Gus, then the savings wouldn't be very much because Mrazek would get more as a result of being called up.  Now, if Detroit could save $2 million or more by promoting Mrazek, then I would be ok with it.  That isn't the case though.




#2525191 Detroit re-signs Gustavsson 1 yr $1.85 mill

Posted by Nightfall on 23 June 2014 - 07:24 AM

I don't think it will be at all.

Cause even if mraz lives up to his hype i see the goalies doing 50:50 for a couple years. Then Howard can resign as the backup or go elsewhere. But mraz will be fairly cheap for awhile.


At the end I the day our goalie sitatuion IS THE LEAST of our concerns for awhile.

 

Mrazek will only be fairly cheap so long as we keep him in the minors until he has to move up.  Just think if we would have brought him up last year after he won the Calder cup, he would be demanding more money at the end of this season.  I do agree that the goalie situation we have here is the least of our concerns.




#2525077 Detroit re-signs Gustavsson 1 yr $1.85 mill

Posted by Nightfall on 21 June 2014 - 08:17 PM

Great signing.  Mrazek will get 60+ games for the Griffins next year.  Its is last year of AHL eligibility so I am glad to see him in Grand Rapids for his final year.  I would rather see him play 60 games in the AHL as opposed to 20 in the NHL as a backup.  After next year, Mrazek will be with Detroit and competing for Howards job.




#2524960 Compliance buyout expected to be used on Tootoo

Posted by Nightfall on 20 June 2014 - 09:34 PM

If you had to bet on it. Would you bet he remains a 25 goal a year player? Or continue his downward trend of scoring less and playing less due to injuries?

That's why I would've bought him out buts it's too late now. Holland has no balls and this team will continue to be mediocre for awhile.

 

Every player goes downward as they get older.  That being said, buying him out at this stage accomplishes nothing.  We have can't get his production from anyone currently in the system.  No one who has the skill to produce like Franzen is going to sign here for less than $6 million a season and for a term that is as long as Franzen.  Then we will be in the same boat we are in today.  A veteran like Vanek that is going to demand more money to produce less and then keep producing less as he gets older.

 

So, in that situation, I would rather pay $4 to Franzen and just keep him going until the expiration of his contract.  By the end of it, the salary cap will be high enough where aging veterans will be getting paid the same as he is right now.

 

Holland made the right call here.  If he would have bought Franzen out, he would have gotten his balls cut off for sure.  Especially when he would have made a change to bring in a more expensive player who produced less.

 

Tootoo was the best choice to be bought out.  It shows that the Wings are a high class organization by assisting Tootoo at getting another shot in the NHL by releasing him early.  Other players will take note.




#2524850 Joe Thornton to the Wings?

Posted by Nightfall on 20 June 2014 - 12:22 PM

The sharks would probably want Nyquist, Jurco, and a pick for him.  I say no.




#2524126 Dan Cleary may return...sigh

Posted by Nightfall on 17 June 2014 - 07:27 AM

I am ok with a cheap 2 way contract.  I think he would provide good leadership for the kids in the Griffins organization for sure.