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#2605008 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by Nightfall on 30 April 2015 - 12:16 PM

 

The past was a long time ago.  Let it go.  

 

Wow, so our cup back in 08 and cup finals appearance in 09 was a "long time ago"?  Man, I wonder how Toronto feels with their last cup win.  Or Edmonton for that matter.  Heck, lets ask the Rangers how they feel since their last cup.

This really does show the level of entitlement that Wings fans have grown accustomed to over the course of the last 25 years.  Most teams have bandwagon fans.  The Wings have achieved a level of greatness where the bandwagon effect hasn't been measured because we have been good for so freaking long.

 

Now we are looking at Holland deserving blame for making the playoffs and not getting past the 2nd round since making it to the finals in 09.  When I see this attitude, I just shake my head in disbelief.  Is this really what some Wings fans have deteriorated to?  The salary cap era has made the playing field level.  No team is a slam dunk for a championship anymore. 

 

I will say this much.  Any new GM that comes in may have successes in some areas, but failures in others.  No GM is going to hit it out of the park on everything they do.  So while a new GM may have landed Parise and Suter for Detroit, he may have not gotten Dekeyser and wouldn't have gotten Hossa either because he wouldn't have had the money to get them all. 

 

I get it, Wings fans want a championship.  Its championship or bust mentality that really has to change though.  Only 1 team gets to win the Stanley Cup every year, and the favorite doesn't win it much of the time.  The sooner that we all realize that the Wings are just one of 16 teams in the playoffs and things have to go right for the team that wins it, the better off we will be.




#2604524 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by Nightfall on 29 April 2015 - 09:27 PM

Pretty sick of the endless KH apologists on this board. I guess they like 1st round exits.

 

The feeling is mutual with the KH attackers.  I guess they don't like multiple cup winners.




#2604398 ECQF Game 7 GDT : at Lightning 2, Red Wings 0 (Tampa wins series, 4-3)

Posted by Nightfall on 29 April 2015 - 09:07 PM

SCREW THIS TEAM SCREW THE STUPID PLAYOFF STREAK! SEEEYA LATER BABCOCK BLOW THIS s*** UP EVERY YEAR SINCE 08 WE HAVE DONE THE SAME s***BLOW IT UP WE WONT WIN A CUP EVER AGAIN WITH THIS CORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

This is the start of the forum turning into a toilet on the verge of flushing.....

 

What a great series.  Wish it turned out different, but that is the way the cookie crumbles. 

 

Look at the bright side, the Griffins won tonight and they are going to get some horses back for their playoff run.




#2604203 ECQF Game 7 GDT : at Lightning 2, Red Wings 0 (Tampa wins series, 4-3)

Posted by Nightfall on 29 April 2015 - 08:44 PM

Ugh. Good job refs. I can't see how there was no call when Quincey got held and pulled down and then held down on the ground. Seriously! f*** the refs

 

Maybe we can blame them for Detroit not putting the puck in the net.  Better yet, maybe they will do it for us.




#2604031 ECQF Game 7 GDT : at Lightning 2, Red Wings 0 (Tampa wins series, 4-3)

Posted by Nightfall on 29 April 2015 - 08:11 PM

Wow. What a game !

 

This is what a Game 7 should be.  Both teams working their asses off.  Great competition.  Scoring chances.  I just hold my breath whenever the Lightning get a shot on goal.




#2604022 ECQF Game 7 GDT : at Lightning 2, Red Wings 0 (Tampa wins series, 4-3)

Posted by Nightfall on 29 April 2015 - 08:10 PM

Take a deep breath everyone.  :D




#2603448 ECQF Game 7 GDT : at Lightning 2, Red Wings 0 (Tampa wins series, 4-3)

Posted by Nightfall on 29 April 2015 - 02:07 PM

I will say this and then bow out of this thread until after the game is over. 

 

NO FREAKING EXCUSES

 

This team is more than capable of winning this game.  If they lose, its their own fault.




#2602979 Kronwall suspended one game

Posted by Nightfall on 28 April 2015 - 09:18 PM

While I don't agree with the decision, I will say this....

 

Having Kronwall suspended for game 7 won't be an excuse if the Wings lose.  It shouldn't be an excuse at least.  If the Wings play their game, they will win.  Simple as that.




#2602669 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by Nightfall on 28 April 2015 - 10:55 AM

You know how's struggled since Yzerman and Nill left?  Yzerman and Nill. 

 

This right here.  I know many LGW members are all over Yzerman's nuts saying that he is the best GM since sliced bread.  However, since he has taken over as GM of the Lightning, his team has made it to the conference finals once.  Oh, I'm sorry, that wasn't his team because he didn't build it.  Now, if it was his team, then Holland deserves credit for GMing the team in 98 when they won the cup, but I digress.  If you don't give him credit for that, then he has won 0 playoff series.  In fact, he has missed the playoffs and then got swept out last season.  If his team loses in the first round this year to a team that is not as good as his, I wonder how many will anoint him as the best GM for Detroit?

Jim Nill is the same thing.  He goes into Dallas, makes a lot of moves, and LGW goes nuts all over him too.  He is better than Holland, right?  Instead, Dallas doesn't get into the playoffs.  LGW is silent on him now.

 

Both Nill and Yzerman have had questionable signings in their short tenure as well.  So they are not immune to making mistakes either.

 

Anyone saying that Yzerman and Nill are better than Holland only need to look at the track record so far. 




#2602652 Kronwall suspended one game

Posted by Nightfall on 28 April 2015 - 10:22 AM

Here we are two pages into this thread and all I have seen are threats, whining, bitching, and complaining.

 

The thing is that nothing has been decided upon yet.

 

Maybe we all should take a step back and wait until a verdict is rendered before passing judgement on the NHL, player safety board, Betteman, etc.  Just my opinion.




#2602461 ECQF Game 6 GDT : Lightning 5 at Red Wings 2 - Series Tied 3-3

Posted by Nightfall on 27 April 2015 - 09:13 PM

Assuming the Wings will win in Tampa may be a false premise.  I do wish they had shown up the first period.  I have a feeling I will have all summer to wish that, among other things.

 

Assuming the Wings will get their ass kicked in Tampa is also a false premise.  I also wish they would have shown up in the first period.  Right now, both teams have reason to be kicking themselves.  If the Lightning would have put forward a better effort in the two shutout losses, they may have been able to beat the Wings in 5 games.

 

One thing is for sure, one of these teams will be kicking themselves on the golf course come Thursday morning.  The question is, which team will it be?




#2601394 ECQF : (7) Sénateurs d'Ottawa vs. (2) Les Canadiens de Montréal

Posted by Nightfall on 27 April 2015 - 08:04 AM

 

So, officials are above reproach then?

 

My point is simply unless something is done to change the way the game is officiated, you aren't going to get rid of the human element.  In this case, the puck was not in sight.  It wasn't like the referee blew a call or made a mistake here.  The puck was laying on the opposite side and it appeared Price had it.  Every team has benefited and gotten stung by things like this in the past and there really isn't a way to fix it.


The human element is what allows for biased officiating.  Consistancy is the key and if every time a SOG was even thought to be stopped by the goalie and the whistle was blown immediately, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt.  Thats not how the game went down and it was especially egregious as this was a scoring chance and not just an easy stop with an open lane.

 

So you would have just assumed the goalie didn't have it and allowed the other team to have free reign upon him because "this was a scoring chance and you assume that it wasn't an easy stop"?

 

I can guarantee that if Mrazek was treated like that then there would be Red Wing fans up in arms about how the officials were biased against the Red Wings.

 

I can also guarantee that the officials aren't biased for or against any teams in the NHL.  Any claim that they are without proof really is baseless.




#2601304 ECQF : (7) Sénateurs d'Ottawa vs. (2) Les Canadiens de Montréal

Posted by Nightfall on 26 April 2015 - 08:20 PM

Ott got robbed

 

 

tying goal disallowed, due to ref blindness

 

 

Price is a diver.  Who knew?


Ottawa eliminated on a bad call...  Yay, NHL.

 

 

REFS WIN REFS WIN!

 

 

Regardless of which team you're rooting for, I hate to see a series-ending game decided by s***ty reffing. NHL needs to get its s*** together.

 

When I read posts like this, I just shake my head.  As a referee, I can tell you that this kind of thing happens at every level of the game.  Puck hits the goalie, ref thinks the goalie has it, ref blows the whistle, puck goes into the net.  The puck was laying down right next to him out of the refs view.  It wasn't a case of crappy reffing.  It was just bad luck.  Human error is part of the game.  The Wings and every other team has benefitted from this kind of play before.  They have also been stung by it.  It won't be the first time and it won't be the last.

 

There is really no way to fix this issue unless you give the referee x-ray glasses or remove them from the ice entirely and have them sitting in a video booth where they can make every call from there.

 

Now, what every hockey fan should be discussing is the fact that they had 40+ shots on net and couldn't beat Price once.  As a Wings fan, that would terrify me because it shows that while Montreal was outhustled and outplayed, their goalie kept them in it like he has all season.  He is probably going to win the Vezina trophy this season.  For those who think that Tampa Bay was going to be an impossible team to beat, imagine playing Montreal.  That is just as scary.




#2601303 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by Nightfall on 26 April 2015 - 08:11 PM

I watched the Griffins game on AHL live today and it wasn't like the Griffins didn't have their chances.  They had a full 2 minutes of a 5 on 3 and just couldn't convert.  They had about 8 chances and couldn't make it happen.  Then, Toronto gets one chance on the power play a couple minutes later and converts.  I do agree the Griffins aren't dead yet, but they have to win 3 in a row in Grand Rapids.  I am going to be at the games on Saturday and Sunday if they make it past the Wednesday game.




#2599435 ECQF Game 4 GDT : Lightning 3 at Red Wings 2 (OT) - Series Tied 2-2

Posted by Nightfall on 23 April 2015 - 08:26 PM

 

You mean in 1998?  And in 2002, you or I could have been GM.  

 

My point exactly.  If you want to credit Yzerman for that conference finals appearance when he was hired a month before they made it to the conference finals, I am ok with it.  Just give Holland the same credit.