While the Wings got jobbed on the no call, they had plenty of chances to win this game beforehand. Pretty exciting game though, and YAY, no injuries. That in itself is a win.
This right here. While I am disappointed in the non-call, you can't blame the refs entirely. The Wings had a ton of chances to win this game and just couldn't bury their opportunities. Good teams don't rely on the refs or bounces to win games for them. I am not disappointed in their effort at all.
After reading for months on these forums about how members wanted the team to tank it and how the team was going to suck balls this year, I think most people have relaxed a bit. This team is not horrible. Boston was coming off a tough game last night, and the Wings really did play like they had the fresher legs. Still, I was happy with the result.
Smith really did look good. Franzen's play was much improved. I really enjoy watching the kids out there. They are gaining confidence and that is going to serve them well. Can't wait to see them play on Saturday.
I know everyone here is concerned or upset about the hit, but I look at teams like Carolina that lost Staal for a much longer period and acknowledge that injuries are part of the game. The hit was clean, and there should be no suspension or fine. Every team is going to deal with injuries, and the Wings are going to be no different.
Dats could be back in as early as 2 weeks which would make him a go for the start of the season.
That's a pretty easy challenge for you to win considering you never really know who is on the market as a GM until they take a job somewhere.
This is true to some extent. However, lets look at some of the people whom some fans wanted as GM of the Wings instead of Holland.
Yzerman - So far, he has done well at Tampa Bay. Their roster this year looks better than last year. Except since he took over, they made the playoffs their first year, missed the second year and third year, and then made it last year only to get swept in the first round. Better than Holland? That remains to be seen.
Ray Shero would be the only guy I would even consider being GM of the Wings.
Nothing screams job accountability like giving an extension to a guy that's gotten consistently worse at his job each year in the last 5 years.
That pizza selling vegetable Ilitch needs to sell the team to someone who still gives a s***.
So you don't believe in job accountability?
Just because someone was good 10 years ago, shouldn't give them a pass to be lazy at their current job.
If his job is to ensure that we have a competitive team that competes for a championship every season, he has achieved his goal.
If you are measuring accountability by championship or nothing, then there are 29 other GMs who are also failing.
Really like it, our farm system has never looked better. The last few years haven't been ideal, but our playoff streak is still intact and Ken Holland is the reason. There isn't a franchise in the league that never has a few average seasons between great ones. His legacy is going on the line here though, if this team struggles and wastes the last few years of Dats/Zetterberg there aren't going to be fans lining up to reminding us of the 3 Stanley Cups we won with him and having the best team in the league from 1997-2010 which is unfortunate. Time will tell if Ken Holland has a master plan with this franchise, or if he's just meddling his last years in mediocrity hoping his past success will be his legacy.
My thoughts are you never know what you have until it's gone, and for me I think that rings true for Holland. Fans in Detroit have incredible expectations, which is understood, but I don't know of many hockey GM's in the history of the league that could satisfy this fan bases appetite of not only winning, but winning Stanley Cups for over 20 years. Notice I said the history of the league, I don't think there is a better option for the team right now other than Holland, he knows the players we have in the system, if our goal is to win it all soon he gives us our best option. If we want to tank, and surely waste the last years of Datsyuk/Zetterberg, and hopefully build up to a playoff franchise in 5 years then we should get a young GM and give him the reigns, I just don't think that's that right plan.
Best post in this thread. I agree 100%.
Yes, I am not happy with Holland's lack of success when it comes to luring free agents. At the same time though, he has kept us competitive. We continue to make the playoffs, and people forget that a year ago, we took the cup champs to 7 games and had them on the ropes up 3 games to 1. The cup champions last season were #6 in the western conference. Making the playoffs, being healthy, and getting some puck luck is really all it takes to win the cup these days.
For those of you who want to see Holland gone, I would challenge you to find a GM that is better on the market right now. I see no reason to ditch Holland now in exchange for someone unknown or unproven.
I know I am happy with the work he has done in the past, and even though the Wings haven't won the cup or been to the cup finals since 2009, I am good with this signing.
No one here is saying they could do a better job as GM. All people are saying is that there are other potential GMs out there that could have better addressed the team's needs. Looking at other organizations like Dallas and Tampa, there is an argument to be made.
Dallas, a team that was the last place team in the Western Conference to secure a playoff spot and hasn't been relevant since they lost to the Wings back in 2008.
Tampa Bay, a team that actually did pretty well last year and then got swept by Montreal. The past two seasons before that they didn't even make the playoffs. This is with Yzerman at the helm who was considered to be better than Holland.
Sure, these teams seemed to address their teams needs, but we will see how the product on the ice looks and how they do in playoffs.
I don't know. I just don't find it funny much.
Same here man. I guess I am not a butthurt fan. Sure, I wanted to see a high priced free agent come into play. At the same time though, I am ok with the moves that Holland has made so far. Giving the kids a chance is what he needed to do and he is going to do it. Cleary is just an insurance policy. He won't be beating out someone for a roster spot if they are better.
It kills me when posters cite Holland not signing all these UFAs to big deals as a good thing, and that's why we want him, when in fact, he is out there pitching the same huge deals to the UFAs as everyone else, he just keeps getting rejected. How do they conveniently ignore that? And it's not just this year! The stupidity of some of the statements in light of the facts is mind-blowing to me. Holland offers a guy the same deal or a bigger deal, guy signs with other team, and somehow we're lucky to have a GM that doesn't sign UFAs to huge deals? Seriously? I just don't even know where to start when people are so loyal that they can't begin to be even remotely objective about the realities of the situation.
Being objective would be looking at the entire situation. Suter and Parise wanted to play in Minnesota. They have ties to the area. Same with Vanek. Boyle has family in New York and requested to play there for less since the Rangers were against the cap. Players will do what it takes to go somewhere they want to go. When Dekeyser chose to come to Detroit, and the contracts were the same no matter where he went, did you give credit to Holland for this?
Since Blashill took over down there, the answer is yes. That hasn't been the case with our coaches in the past who haven't done much with the talent they have been given. A strong farm system is just as valuable as a strong NHL team.
People don't want to play for teams because they're good organizations. They want to play for teams that will either pay them way more than they're worth or give them a chance to win (or both). Detroit simply doesn't provide the latter now that Nicklas Lidstrom is gone.
This is very true and it makes sense. In some cases, people make decisions to play for their favorite team. Like Vanek did with Minnesota or DeKeyser did with the Wings. Still, to those people who are not loyal to a team, they want top dollar or a chance to compete for the cup or both.
If you don't agree with the way this team is being run, I recommend that you don't watch them on TV. Don't spend money on tickets. Don't spend money on jerseys. If you want to watch good hockey live, spend money on college and semi-pro games instead.
When the lockout happened, I promised myself I wouldn't spend a dime on the NHL and so far, I haven't done that. I still watch the games, but I couldn't care less about anyone who advertises for the Wings games. This year, I won't sit out from watching the Wings, thats for sure. The Wings are my team. I am disappointed in what has happened in the offseason, but I won't cash in my fan card because the team falls on hard times.
No offense but we are not Edmonton. You can't tell me a player like Connor Mcdavid doesn't instantly make us better.
Just saying that tanking for a season doesn't indicate that we will be instantly better. I don't know what Connor McDavid would do to our team at all. People thought the same thing of first round picks in the past that have fizzled out.
I will say this much....
Detroit will find themselves out of the playoff picture in the next few years. May not happen this coming year, but it will once Dats and Z get further up in age and don't produce as much. Then you will get your wish about tanking.
mar, I fully understand the rebuilding process, I just wish we would do it or go for the cup. I don't mind if we have 2-3 losing seasons, get highly rated top draft choices and then begin the next 15 year run. Its the half a$$ patch and pug approach that bothers me. We are not getting better and we are not getting the young high end talent we need to get better.
When it comes to bad for long periods of time, I remember the 70's all to well. The RW's had no real plan. Very similar to what we are doing today.
Rebuilding through the draft really is the key. You are right that we don't have the next Dats and Zetterberg in the system right now. We have some solid talent, but nothing really elite. As for going for broke, I really don't believe that is the best way to run a team.
I will say that we are going to have some losing seasons down the road. We can't keep up this playoff streak forever. I would like them to make a couple moves, stay competitive, and get into the playoffs. This season, the #6 and #7 teams made it to the finals. Anything can happen come playoff time.
I'm not sure whether that is the case with Mrazek right now. Maybe they really want him to finally play 60+ games for the Griffins, or they think there's a couple of things he has left to work on? I don't know, but I would have thought bringing him up this season would have made more sense too, unless the Wings want more bargaining power when he's an RFA at the end of the year
They want him to play more, and I know I would like to see that as well. Bringing Mrazek up wouldn't change the starting goalie this year. If they chose not to sign Gus, then the savings wouldn't be very much because Mrazek would get more as a result of being called up. Now, if Detroit could save $2 million or more by promoting Mrazek, then I would be ok with it. That isn't the case though.
Cause even if mraz lives up to his hype i see the goalies doing 50:50 for a couple years. Then Howard can resign as the backup or go elsewhere. But mraz will be fairly cheap for awhile.
At the end I the day our goalie sitatuion IS THE LEAST of our concerns for awhile.
Mrazek will only be fairly cheap so long as we keep him in the minors until he has to move up. Just think if we would have brought him up last year after he won the Calder cup, he would be demanding more money at the end of this season. I do agree that the goalie situation we have here is the least of our concerns.