Nightfall

Osgood? I would feel safer with Ericsson in the net, this team hasn't got a decent backup and howard have serious rebound issues

Yea, that 10-2 record is so hard to swallow.  Sounds like you should go back to the Blackhawks bandwagon.

Except the Red Wings had the puck in Minnesota's zone 95% of the game and the Wild still managed to score four goals (three of which are solely on Howard).

I'm all for saying it wasn't a great team effort, but Jimmy Howard and his lack of rebound control cost us a point tonight. He'll bail the team out plenty this season, but he really deserves the blame for this loss. I think even idiots could see that.

So the defensive coverage in front of the net didn't matter?  Lidstrom not picking his guy up on the final goal didn't matter?  I guess the old addage rings true here...

Win, and its a team effort.
Lose, and its the goalies fault.

Wow, where have I heard that before?  Typically from armchair hockey fans.

Win as a team, lose as a team.  Goaltending was not great.  Defense was not great.  Our top line was not great either.  Anyone blaming goaltending alone is an idiot.  Blame the crap effort as a whole.

Nobody can say that Mickey is a biased commentator. He sounds like a Coyotes color guy tonight.

No one listens to Mickey anyway.  If they did, they would have heard Mickey say the first goal was not Osgoods fault.  The second goal was not Osgoods fault.  The third goal MIGHT have been deflected.  Course, Mickey is the best announcer according to Wings fans.  Just not when it comes to commenting on how the Wings goaltending wasn't at fault or how bad their team is playing.

In other news: great scorers never have flukey, weak goals.  Ever.

Good to know.

Also, he didn't have a breakaway, and it was on a weak angle.

Your reading comprehension sucks.  Please re-read and try again.  

The 4th goal is not the softy that you are trying to make it out to be and none of the other 3 goals had anything to do with Howard.  So again, how did he have a pretty rough game?  If anything it was average to good and got the Wings two points.

I agree.  Its amazing how so many people listen to Mickey and say he is an awesome color commentator.  Yet, even when Mickey says that the goal was a "goal scorers goal" and "Selanne picked his spot", the LGW forum members ignore what he says and think Mickey doesn't know what he is talking about.  

As a goalie, that was the one goal that I would have felt I should have had.  At the same time though, the other 3 goals that the Ducks scored Howard had no chance on.  The team really came together and played well.

The Wings are 5-1-1 right now.  Less bitching, and more happy from the LGW forum members would be appreciated.

I agree with Mickey.  Howard was outstanding in this game.  He looks like he did at the end of last season.

A couple videos on the incident.  The first one the commentators say the fan touched him, which is incorrect.



Another perspective.  These commentators know whats going on.

I agree with you 100%.  As a true fan of the Red Wings, I can tell you that there are parts of me that want to not come back to these forums.  Mainly because of the attitude of some of the posters here.  I regularly talk with Wings fans at lunch and have better conversations with them than I do with posters here.  I guess a lot of it has to do with the fact that many internet posts can be brutal.  People speak their minds, and with anonymity, truly nice people can turn into morons quickly.  

I lay it out a lot like you do.

1.  The management deserves our full support.  If not for the consecutive postseason appearances, but for the tradition of winning that has been built.

2.  The players deserve our full support.  No player is going to be a top line player like Lidstrom for 20 years.  Even he is not immune from the negativity, which surprises me.  I guess all it took was one non-Norris trophy like season for the commoners to turn on our captain.  Anyway, every player deserves to be supported.  They all play their hearts out and to chew into them for their mistakes or belittle them is really dumb.

That isn't to say that conversation shouldn't happen.  Sure, anyone can ask the question if "player A should be signed" or "player B didn't play well".  What is just wrong are the attacks against players, management, and ownership from moronic fans.  Case in point, look at the "need a goalie" post.  Osgood has sucked the last 3 years?  2008 was one of his best seasons!  Talk about uninformed and dumb just because of that fact.

A majority of posters in these forums are not true Wings fans.  They are what I would call bandwagoners.  The instant that the team falls on hard times, these posters will be joining up on the Sharks or Hawks forums and claiming that they are fans.  Just watch.  All it will take is one bad season to make it happen.  I certainly hope that doesn't happen, but I suppose there is an advantage if it does happen.  Look at the Tampa Bay Lightning.  When they won the Stanley Cup, everyone was a Lightning fan.  I have a friend who has been a season ticket holder to the Lightning since they started playing.  At the start, it was the ticket to have in Tampa Bay, and the general hockey knowledge was pretty low.  After the Stanley Cup run, he would describe it as one of the most uninformed hockey fanbase he had ever known.  Fans would ride the players and be non-supportive if they weren't doing well.  Today, its a great time to be a hockey fan in Tampa Bay because the team is playing well, Yzerman is in charge, and the base of fans is small but they are die hard fans who support the team.  That, IMHO, is the best time to be a real fan of the team.

Ah well, I have said enough.

All the really successful sports teams have the most neurotic fans.

Fans have the right to think what they want.  They don't "owe" the team anything really.  The team provides fans with entertainment, while fans provide teams and owners with actual revenue, which goes into player salaries.  

LGW is actually more fun with neurotic threads.  Go to a Panthers or Thrashers board, and see how many people give a damn there.  Not many, hence not as interesting a discussion board.

This is very true.  Without the common idiots, it really is not entertaining to go to forums and read the posts.

I'm really beginning to hate the signing of Salei. Dude's already contributed to at least three goals against this season by either tipped shots or lazy penalties.

Better than Lilja IMHO.

others goalies do its called goaltending and good positioning.

Actually, its also called luck.  I can tell you have never played goalie before.  

Lol @ the bickering in this thread. It's one game (3rd in the season) and a SO loss. Who cares....

Furthermore, Avs are a good young hockey club that showed tons a resilience and wanted the win more.

100% correct.

A vast majority of Wings fans in here are very fickle.  If the team wins, all is good with most people here.  If the team loses, the refs, Bettman, Howard, Ozzie, Bert, 3rd liners, and everyone else under the sun is singled out.  Its just tiring to hear over and over again.  I swear that I get more intelligent hockey posts from the Wings fans on the HFBoards following a loss.

Thanks Nightfall. I was around when the Wings weren't making the playoffs every year and I remember when we made the playoffs in 1988. I just remember how excited I was ( I was only 9), I thought then that this team was going to do something special, then followed up the next year with 19 wins and didn't even sniff the playoffs and I wondered what was next. We all now what happened, but I always kept the faith in this team. I think may people on this board were not around during the DeadWings era, because if they were, we would not see these crazy comments about players like Malts and Drapes and yes, Even Lidstrom (which just baffles me)!

I will always remember Maltby in the playoffs, right when we needed a big goal, everyone would pick Stevie, Shanny, Kozlov, Feds, ect and who ended up with a goal..... Kirk Maltby! As far as I'm concerned, Malts was one of the best faces of the organization that there ever was. Will the #18 go to the rafters, probably not, but he will always be at the top of the lists of players with the biggest heart and dedication. We'll miss you Malts!! GO WINGS!!

Thank you man.

Your post reminded me just how much of a new fan I am compared to those who were around in the 70-80s when they were called the "dead wings".  I didn't get exposed to hockey until 1994 when I went to college at Ferris State.  As of that moment when I went to a live college hockey game, I was hooked.  I started watching the Wings that season, and getting swept in the finals by the Devils was horrible to experience.  

You are right, the older fans of the team who have been around for a while have a whole new appreciation for members of the team who gave so much.  Things like loyalty are hard to find in sports these days.  In the working world, if someone gets cut from their job, its distasteful and backstabbing to do.  In the sports world, if someone gets cut from a team, its a necessity because they want the team to win, win, and win some more.  I want to win just as much as every other Wings fan.  At the same time though, I praise the loyalty of the Wings organization.

So... Maltby what was the point of signing a contract if you was just going to retire?

Draper is probably a lot closer to retirement than he wants to admit.

Draper should follow suit

When I read some of the posts in this thread, I am just appalled.  Here is a guy that gave his heart and soul to the organization.  He was a penalty killer and a grind liner.  You don't win four Stanley Cups by accident.  Detroit knew what they had here and they treated him well for many years.  In return, he gave everything he had to the organization.

Yet, some of the fans on this forum piss on him and other players.  Even Lidstrom is a target by some people, which is disgusting being as that we are all fans of the Red Wings here.  This isn't the HFboards where there are asshats a plenty out there that like to start flame wars with other teams and fans.

I expect people here will be supportive of their Red Wings and the management.  After all, they deserve to have our support being as that they haven't missed the playoffs in 25 of the last 27 seasons and the last 19 in a row.  The players have shown that they care about playing in Detroit by giving it their all season after season after season.

Here is Maltby, a player who has given it their all for years.  75% of the posts here have the right attitude, which is supportive and remembering what Maltby brought to the table.  The rest of the posters here are true morons.  If not for the fact that they don't remember what Maltby did for the organization, but because he is a Red Wing.  He will take a job in the front office because the Red Wings care about their players and the players care about playing here.  I don't see this kind of commitment from many organizations out there.

Support your Red Wings guys.  They are your team.  If you don't like the team, go bandwagon on the Sharks and Hawks.  I heard they need more fans on the bandwagon these days.

Happy retirement Maltby!  You will be missed.

this just goes on to support my idea of uncensored NHL hockey on a "requested channel"

that would rock!

miked up benches....trash talking....unabashed interviews.

yeah....sign me up.

of course, i'm in dreamland about this.

NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.

I would love to see an uncensored sports channel.  Then you can see all these things throughout every sport.  I would subscribe to this in a heartbeat as well.

Man, DiPietro is a disaster.  After everything that has happened, it's hard to imagine him being good.

I agree.  He just doesn't look confident.  Goaltending is 75% mental and it looks like he needs a boost in that 75% category.

Wow, nice power play by the Islanders.  A 5 on 3 goal and then a 5 on 4 goal.  Thats taking advantage of your opportunities.