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#2121992 2/24 GDT: Stars 4 at Red Wings 1

Posted by Nightfall on 25 February 2011 - 11:01 AM

howard .875 :thumbup:

salei the only defensemen not a minus

The stats were not indicative of how this game was played. Howard cannot be faulted on the first two goals. Blown defensive coverages is how you lose games, not win them. Even the 3rd goal was a tough one to save because of the fact he committed to the first shot, and it rebounds off a defenseman in front and got another shot. You can call it a lucky bounce or puck luck, but this kind of crap happens all the time.

Did you notice that Dallas kept a vast majority of shots to the outside where they were easy saves? Hell, Detroit didn't get anything going until the 3rd period, and there is NO excuse why the team just did not play well until then.

As other posters have pointed out, the Wings have played bored. Even in the rec leagues, you can tell teams that are playing bored, because they let teams that are not as good as they are hang around in games or beat them.

The entire team should be faulted for this loss. Not one player. Not the defensive pairings. The whole freaking team. They have to go out there and outwork the other team, not sit on their asses and play uninspired.

/end rant

Next game on the schedule is on Saturday. Lets go wings!

#2120815 2/22 GDT: Sharks 4 at Red Wings 3

Posted by Nightfall on 22 February 2011 - 11:32 PM

holland has some thinking to do

Great job on the last two goals by Howard..... Really thought he was turning the corner, then goal in the last minute of period 1 (not his fault), goal in the last two minutes of period 2 (not his fault, kill Ericsson), a bad rebound for goal number three (his fault) and a TERRIBLE miss on the GWG...

Frustrating night to be certain, they started so well.

too bad Howie had to let in that weaksauce goal at the end

the thing i noticed is goalies bail out other teams when playing detroit. but how many times has jimmy bailed out detroit this season? once? how many games have he been to blame? a bunch? hes not a game stealer which sucks cause i dont see him going anywhere

When I read quotes like this, I just shake my head. I could see if Howard had a subpar game, but he played very well tonight. Would he like to have the last one back? Of course. At the same time though, there were some stops he made that could have went in but they didn't. This was not a goaltending issue. If anything, it was a capitalization issue.

I didn't get a chance to see the entire game, but I just watched the highlights and I am going to watch the game in its entirety tomorrow. The highlights didn't show me that one goalie outplayed the other. If anything, it was one team unable to capitalize on their chances while the other one did. Dats had about 5 chances to score and couldn't bury the biscuit. Eaves had a couple good chances. The Wings have got to score on those opportunities.

Yet, they didn't. The blame game is easy to cast on one player or another. Seems that everyone except Lidstrom, Hank, or Dats are easy targets. I really should put up a freaking pie chart and start marking down who the loss gets attributed to just as a goof. During the 5 game win streak, it was a team effort. In a loss, its (insert player name here). Howard, Rafalski, Bert, etc.

I don't know, I just tire of the bulls*** in this forum at times. I have read some very good posts from true Wings fans. Then I read s*** like this and its just that....s***. These are Wings fans? I mean seriously? True Wings fans don't throw their players under a bus. Stand behind your team for a freaking change. Win as a team, lose as a team. Its that simple.

#2116164 2/13 GDT: Bruins 2 at Red Wings 4

Posted by Nightfall on 13 February 2011 - 03:36 PM

Way too much bitching from members here. Especially considering that we outplayed Boston for the final two periods of play. The Wings played an excellent game and the stats of the game don't lie. Are there things they can improve on? You betcha! At the same time though, the blame game going around on Kindl and Howard really needs to stop. The "Wings fans" on this forum really need to get behind their team and stop with the senseless accusations and blame. Especially on things like "rebounds" which Howard was toasted for, but when Thomas gives up rebounds, they are naturally supposed to happen. The arguments make no sense.

Ah well. Onto the next game!

#2115749 2/13 GDT: Bruins 2 at Red Wings 4

Posted by Nightfall on 13 February 2011 - 01:01 PM

You tell 'em Babs, stfu Mcguire.


#2115728 2/13 GDT: Bruins 2 at Red Wings 4

Posted by Nightfall on 13 February 2011 - 12:52 PM

Man, that shot from Abdelkader was nice. Thomas must have s***ty rebound control. Did you see that juicy rebound?


#2115079 2/11 GDT: Red Wings 6 at Bruins 1

Posted by Nightfall on 11 February 2011 - 08:41 PM

I've played hockey and stuff like that is going to happen, although I agree that any time that a puck deflects off an official that leads to a scoring chance, the play should be halted.

Since we are talking about changing the way things are happening on the ice when it comes to officials.....

I think they should have one less official on the ice and more above the boards standing there watching the play. In my experience, the worst place to observe the play is on the ice. The best place to observe it is standing on high, watching from a protected area. They looked at this in the NHL Combines and it was successful. They really should think about doing this.

I just don't see things changing like this. I have only reffed USA Hockey for a couple years now, and after 100+ games, I haven't had a puck go off of me and to a player who scores. If it does though, you can bet I would feel terrible about it as most refs would.

i fixed that for you.

I actually agree with you on that. Most Canadian fans are quite the hockey enthusiasts. :)

#2114969 2/11 GDT: Red Wings 6 at Bruins 1

Posted by Nightfall on 11 February 2011 - 07:59 PM

Is that relevant?

I don't have to be a forward to critique a forwards play. Don't deflect simply to justify Howard's positioning on that goal.

IMHO, people who have played the game seem to have more relevant analysis when it comes to hockey. Thats just my observation though.

Do goalies let in weak goals or make mistakes on positioning? Yup. Just like defenses blow coverages and forwards turn pucks over. IMHO, if you are going to chew Howard out for crap positioning, then chew the D out for not covering the man in the slot. A lot of blame to go around on that goal, and the idiots blaming one party and only one party for that goal, is dumb.

#2114956 2/11 GDT: Red Wings 6 at Bruins 1

Posted by Nightfall on 11 February 2011 - 07:53 PM

No, but its called common sense. PK leaving the net = goal. simple.

Yup, its that simple. <_<

Thank you....here is a video that portrays your knowledge. :D


#2114945 2/11 GDT: Red Wings 6 at Bruins 1

Posted by Nightfall on 11 February 2011 - 07:45 PM

Are you serious? Watch Thomas on Sunday when he plays the Wings, count how many times he gets caught way out of position like that. I'm not saying Howard needs to play like Thomas, but my god, his positioning has been HORRIBLE the past two months.

I guess to most wings fans, if the goalie isn't centered to the shot, even on a nifty passing play to an uncovered player, its failure on the goalie. Maybe Howard should call Nicholas Cage and ask him how he got that nifty power in the movie "Next". I guess being able to see the future is the key. :P

#2114925 2/11 GDT: Red Wings 6 at Bruins 1

Posted by Nightfall on 11 February 2011 - 07:39 PM

Howard out of the net again... how many times.

Wow, you are going to blame that on the goalie? Seriously? That has to be the dumbest post in this thread so far.

#2112919 2/7 GDT: Rangers 2 at Red Wings 3

Posted by Nightfall on 08 February 2011 - 08:47 AM

Howard needs to think the defense for cleaning up a lot of the rebounds he let happen. Some plays he didn't even have the puck and had no idea where it was.

Welcome to the world of goaltending. In every game, there are rebounds where you have no idea where they went, and your defense has to be there for you in critical situations. The one thing I noticed about this game is that the defense did a good job at making the game predictable for Jimmy. Keep the shots to the outside, cover the man on the opposite side, the Wings did a pretty good job all night. The first goal was an uncovered player on the far side. Second goal was a perfect top corner shot. Otherwise, Jimmy did his job by keeping his team in the game and his D did a good job as well.

Good win by the Wings. :)

#2111694 Trade Deadline and You are GM.

Posted by Nightfall on 07 February 2011 - 10:18 AM

Just based on reading these posts, I am glad that Ken Holland is in charge.

#2111677 Your preferred era of play/officiating?

Posted by Nightfall on 07 February 2011 - 09:38 AM

I started watching hockey back in 1995. I watched a few classic games, but I really cannot say that I like the 80's style of hockey because I haven't seen enough of it. I prefer the post lockout hockey over the clutching and grabbing hockey in the mid 90s-2004.

#2109530 2/2 GDT: Franzen 5 + Red Wings 2 (7) at Senators (5)

Posted by Nightfall on 03 February 2011 - 02:25 PM

I spent more time on skates growing up then in shoes. Plenty have. But this is the NHL. If you're a goalie in the NHL, let alone a starting goalie on one of the top teams, it is reasonable to expect a goalie to be better than Howard has been this year. I don't care what team you're playing for, what injuries said team may have and what defensive issues may exist, when you have to go into a game expecting that 4 goals will be scored against you, there's a real problem.

That said, the defense has been terrible, sure, but the reality of the matter is that we are not the only team that has defensive issues. Plenty of other teams struggle far more than we do with the stupid mistakes and they don't have the talent to at times compensate for it. Yet somehow, even the terrible teams seem to have goalies outplaying Howard more often than not lately. I'm not one of the one's calling for his head, and I've got faith that he'll recover in due time, but let's be honest here...defensive breakdowns or not, Howard's had a rough year, and if he can't get it going, unless Babcock goes with Osgood, we're toast come playoff time.

It is stupid to blame every goal on him, and he isn't getting much help, but any way you shake it, he hasn't played well and he's absolutely got to play a lot better. You need your goalie to compensate for some of the inevitable defensive breakdowns. Again, I really like the guy and I'm not throwing in the towel by any means, but this year, he's simply not playing well at all.

Goalies on terrible teams are going to shine more than goalies on great teams because of the sheer amount of chances they have against them. I have made more highlight reel saves against awesome teams because of all the chances they get to score. It doesn't make me superhuman though.

I do have to admit that you are right on one count though. Howard does have to make a big save or two in every game. Yes, blown coverages are going to happen. Its the goaltender that can make that big save or two that bolsters the confidence of the team in front of him.

Howard was lights out last season in the last 25 games. He needed to be and the Wings rallied around that. In the playoffs though, he didn't deliver his best games which was concerning. As you say before, I am not blaming every goal on Howard like 75% of the LGW forum members do, but that is what I tire of to be honest.

The LGW members are considered to be true fans of the Wings and the game of hockey. In the last few years, this has not been my experience. Most of them are quick to jump all over the players if they make a mistake or the goaltender for every goal that goes in. Be damned if the goal was scored by an uncovered player on the other side of the net, a tip, or a deflection he had no chance to stop.

Excellent analogy though. Thanks for your well thought out response.

#2109476 2/2 GDT: Franzen 5 + Red Wings 2 (7) at Senators (5)

Posted by Nightfall on 03 February 2011 - 11:27 AM

Howard with a .853 save percentage for the night...

When 4 of the 5 goals were scored due to defensive breakdowns and blown coverages, its hard to fault Howard. Speaking from experience, when my team plays well in front of me and keeps the shots to the outside, I can pitch a shutout or keep them to 1 or 2 goals scored. When my team plays poorly, it can be 6 goals allowed easy. This is why Ken Holland invests so much into his defensive core. The goaltender is the last line of defense. The defense is there to make sure it doesn't come to that.

The armchair fans in this forum and other hockey boards really have got to get out there and play the game.

Aside from that, the Wings didn't play their best game. Big deal. In the course of a season, teams are going to go through highs and lows. The Wings are solid at the top of the division and with an injured group of players that are coming back now. Be patient. Give it time. Still 32 games to go until playoffs.