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#1982614 Let's Talk About the Refereeing

Posted by Nightfall on 10 May 2010 - 08:11 AM

I remember back about 8 years ago when I would get frustrated with refereeing when I would watch hockey. I played hockey and I just didn't understand why, as a goalie, I could see penalties that the ref wouldn't see right in front of them. Last year, I decided to get my USA Hockey certification and start reffing. It was a very good experience for me, and it really opened my eyes to what happens out there on the ice.

Now, a lot of the comments I see are from people who have never reffed hockey before. Heck, I am betting that 95% of you have never reffed any sport before. There are a couple things that people should at least consider before drawing conclusions about a game or a series and how it was reffed.

First, I consider hockey to be one of the hardest sports to referee. The game moves so fast, and in the course of a play, the ref has to break it down in his head. I thought, as a goalie moving into reffing, that I would be better at this. The simple fact of the matter is that I wasn't. I spend a lot of time studying the rules, taping my games to watch it from a fan's perspective, and also talking to coaches and players. There are a lot of fans that talk out of their asses about how the reffing is when they have never reffed a game in their lives. I am a firm believer that people should walk a mile in their shoes before passing judgment. Give reffing a try before you ***** about the reffing. A lot of people don't even want to go down that road because its hard or they are lazy.

Second, refs are human. They do miss calls. They do make mistakes. I never understood why the refs in the NHL get a free pass on all these things. One of the things I pride myself on is being honest with all players and coaches out on the ice. If I made a mistake, I own up to it. The league officials may not expect that, but I expect it from myself. I question Gary Bettmen when he stands behind his refs 100% and insists that mistakes are never made. As a fan of hockey, everyone should just acknowledge the fact that mistakes and missed calls are going to happen in the course of a game.

Third, there is no conspiracy. Refs are consummate professionals. I am a hockey fan as much as I am a Wings fan. I don't see any conspiracy out there. Sure, I see mistakes. I see missed calls in every game, but its easy for an armchair fan to watch a game and see something bad. Especially a fan of a team that sees something against his team. Which is why you hear 20,000 fans boo the refs when they don't get a call. Try attending a hockey game or watching one on TV where you don't care who wins or loses. What would you call in the course of that game? How many penalties total? I bet if you were watching the Wings you would easily call a 3 to 1 margin in favor of the Wings. Now, that would be a conspiracy if you were reffing.

I know that a lot of Wings fans feel slighted about the reffing. Heck, I feel that way. I feel the Wings came out on the bad end of some calls in the game, thats for sure. At the same time though, the Sharks were in fact more disciplined. As Mickey said after the last game, when you are chasing the other team around, you are going to commit more penalties. Well, they spent a lot of the games of this series chasing the sharks around. The sharks deserved to win, and the refs were not swinging it in their direction. The Red Wings were giving them the games by committing timely penalties.

In the end, I listen to what a lot of Wings fans have to say and I just *facepalm*. Here fans are bitching about the reffing and saying that the refs gave the series to the Sharks. Ok, well if that was the case, then their team as it is should be just fine for next season. Nope! They are too old and slow and need to be revamped. So was it the refs fault in the end? Or was it a worth ethic issue? Or was it just the fact that the Sharks out hustled and out played the wings? In the Stanley Cup playoffs, I am a firm believer that the hungrier team always advances. The Sharks were the hungrier team.

#1981366 WCSF Game 5 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Sharks 2

Posted by Nightfall on 08 May 2010 - 11:40 PM

Assholes? The Sharks were the better team. We got beat in every.f******. aspect of the game.

Its good to see smart wings fans acknowledging that.

Faceoffs? San Jose's favor, especially key faceoffs that you needed to win.
Scoring Chances? San Jose's favor
Turnovers? San Jose has less in the series.

The Sharks were hungrier. Nabokov really exorcised some playoff demons. Howard played well, but he did have a couple bad goals in the series. He will learn from those and deserves another shot.

#1981134 WCSF Game 5 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Sharks 2

Posted by Nightfall on 08 May 2010 - 11:17 PM

The refs are losing control of this game. Murray just got nailed, no call. This is how players get hurt.

#1981114 WCSF Game 5 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Sharks 2

Posted by Nightfall on 08 May 2010 - 11:15 PM

I think its safe to say the the refs had a DIRECT impact on that goal. Anyone who argues otherwise is an idiot, yes it was a turnover but the play should have never been in our end.

The Wings being slopping in their own zone was the reason why they scored. The refs were not involved, unfortunately. Put the blame where it belongs, on the Wings.

#1980731 WCSF Game 5 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Sharks 2

Posted by Nightfall on 08 May 2010 - 10:20 PM

***** less about the reffing. The Wings have to be good enough to overcome them. There are so many ways the Wings can improve in this game and so far they are barely getting by.

#1978078 WCSF Game 4 GDT: Sharks 1 at Red Wings 7

Posted by Nightfall on 06 May 2010 - 07:09 PM

agreed babs should bench him this is just despicable

I think Dat should just stop posting until he eats some crow.

#1976390 What I'm worried about

Posted by Nightfall on 05 May 2010 - 09:09 AM

You can't win a Stanley Cup every year. There are 30 teams in the league. 16 of them make the playoffs. You have teams that have drafted smart and those that buy free agents. Chemistry is a huge factor in the playoffs as well. Sometimes teams strike gold with players who work well with each other. In the end, they crown one champion. I think its hard to hold Ken Holland and the Red Wings to lofty expectations, especially in the salary cap world. The Wings are going to be competitive, but they won't make it to the cup finals every year. They may not even make the playoffs in the next 5 years or so.

I think a lot of Wings fans feel they are entitled to a championship every year. Which is why the refs are being blamed heavily. After all, the Wings are unstoppable! The only one that can stop them is Gary Bettmen [/sarcasm]! What Wings fans have to understand is that the Wings brass will always try to get a championship caliber team together, but it isn't going to work out every year. Some years will be better than others.

Case in point, look at the last six championship teams. The Devils? Tampa Bay? Carolina? The Ducks? Red Wings? Pens? Its a vicious cycle and teams cannot stay at the top for long. The Devils continue to make playoffs but haven't been past the first round in years. Tampa Bay has missed the playoffs more in the last six years than making them. Carolina had a good playoff run last year, but didn't even make it this year. The Ducks have been hit or miss as well. The Wings have made the playoffs every season, and have had varied success. Even the Pens have had their share of playoff disappointment before winning the cup last season.

The Wings will be a threat, and will challenge for the cup for a while. What I don't expect is for them to fall off the face of the earth like some of these cup winning teams. I think the Wings have made the playoffs for 16 consecutive years or something like that. That will end, like all records do eventually, but the management has made a commitment to spending to the cap and competing for a championship every year. The players they bring in buy into that as well.

#1976381 There are 7 games in a series

Posted by Nightfall on 05 May 2010 - 08:57 AM

Well, thankfully it isn't up to us. If Mindfly and other pessimists were in charge of the team, they probably wouldn't even show up to Game 4 and just forfeit. From a personal standpoint, if I was down 3-0, I would come out and play a hard fought game and hold my head high when the game is over. No sense of crying over spilled milk. Come out and give it your best shot and leave it all on the ice.

#1975958 There are 7 games in a series

Posted by Nightfall on 04 May 2010 - 10:39 PM

Seems like most people have forgotten, there are 7 games in a playoff series. It's first to 4 wins, not 3. Obviously the odds are VERY LOW, but it is STILL POSSIBLE. I think we have the skill to pull off a miracle. How about you guys?


I am with you. Its time for the Wings to put it all on the line. GO WINGS!

#1975502 WCSF Game 3 GDT: Sharks 4 at Red Wings 3

Posted by Nightfall on 04 May 2010 - 09:40 PM

Wings have no one to blame but themselves. Lazy play in the 3rd and OT doesn't win you games.

#1975163 WCSF Game 3 GDT: Sharks 4 at Red Wings 3

Posted by Nightfall on 04 May 2010 - 09:02 PM

Game isn't over yet! LETS GO WINGS!

#1975144 WCSF Game 3 GDT: Sharks 4 at Red Wings 3

Posted by Nightfall on 04 May 2010 - 09:00 PM

Thats horrible. Utterly horrible.

I thought the goals that Ozzie let in during the 98 playoffs were bad.

#1975083 WCSF Game 3 GDT: Sharks 4 at Red Wings 3

Posted by Nightfall on 04 May 2010 - 08:54 PM

I got lambasted for saying it once, but I am saying it again.

First period, the Wings played great. Same with the second period.

This period, they are coasting.

If the Wings want to win consistently then they need to play for a full 60 minutes. They haven't done that since game 7 of the Phoenix series.

#1974606 WCSF Game 3 GDT: Sharks 4 at Red Wings 3

Posted by Nightfall on 04 May 2010 - 07:26 PM

Wings came out with a great effort.

Hard work? Check
Intensity? High
Determination? Check
Hustle? Check

Wings need to keep this up! Nice job Wings!

#1972404 WCSF Game 2 GDT: Red Wings 3 at Sharks 4

Posted by Nightfall on 03 May 2010 - 12:49 PM

i think a lot of the frustration coming from the TEAM's fans has less to do with "bandwagonism", and more to do with feeling disenchanted with the league itself.

i can admit that the TEAM made mistakes last night. the officiating alone is not to blame. faceoffs lost, frustrations surfaced, and the long and short is, the TEAM that i love wound up losing. that is fact.

last night, i was not only embarassed for my TEAM, i was embarassed for the league. honestly, i've seen better officiating in the KHL. that, also, is fact.

i still and always will support my red wings, but i think last night was a black eye for the league in which they play.

now, am i a bandwagoner?


This is why you play a 7 game series though. In a best of 7 games, the best team moves on. Sure, the refs may call things your way one game, and the bounces go against you the next. In the end though, the best team moves on.

I saw 4 bad calls last night. Three against the Wings. If I saw that in half the games I watched, I would feel as you do. Still, after a single game or a handful of games you are disenchanted with the league? Here is a news flash for you, there are a lot of other fans who feel the same way as you do. If there is anything that I have learned since I started reffing, its that the the team that wins NEVER complains about the officiating. The team that loses almost always complains about it.

I believe the NHL has some of the best officials in all major sports. For as fast as the game is moving, they do an excellent job. If the Wings won last night and the Sharks were screwed with penalties, how many complaints would you see here? Very very little, if any.

Now you're just becoming a smartass and cannot be taken seriously on any level. Why are you still here?

I'm thinking you might want to go in on team sweatshirts with Rat as far as the Smart Ass thing? Just suggesting...

Yea, I know. I was being a smart ass. :)