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#1949246 WCQF Game 3 GDT: Coyotes 4 at Red Wings 2

Posted by Nightfall on 18 April 2010 - 04:02 PM

Sloppy passing and sloppy rebound control. That's not going to get us far in the playoffs. And I don't care that Bryzgalov's given up more rebounds. Phoenix has been scoring on Jimmy's rebounds. Again, time to cut the sloppy passes and sloppy rebound control. Terrible time to give up a goal.

Sloppy passing? You bet
Sloppy rebound control? By Phoenix for sure. By Detroit? You have your head up your ass just based on the stats themselves. Its called taking advantage of your opportunities. Detroit has more, but can't capitalize.

#1949208 WCQF Game 3 GDT: Coyotes 4 at Red Wings 2

Posted by Nightfall on 18 April 2010 - 03:55 PM

Howard rebound control?

Not a problem at all, right?

From my count, Bryz is worse with his rebound control. The difference is the Phoenix is all over the rebounds helping their goalie.

#1945548 WCQF Game 2 GDT: Red Wings 7 at Coyotes 4

Posted by Nightfall on 16 April 2010 - 09:51 PM

sorry i don't fan it up the way you please, let me try harder.

Me, over reaction yes, but who cares. this game hasn't looked great.

and a penalty....awesome

For once, we both agree. That penalty call was disgusting.

#1945520 WCQF Game 2 GDT: Red Wings 7 at Coyotes 4

Posted by Nightfall on 16 April 2010 - 09:47 PM

anyways...onto non-******-baggary...

The wings are looking marginally better.

Wow, you changed your tune quickly. Is that the 102nd time you jumped on and off the bandwagon this season?

Welcome back.

#1945455 WCQF Game 2 GDT: Red Wings 7 at Coyotes 4

Posted by Nightfall on 16 April 2010 - 09:36 PM

well i'm pressing the panic button. this is not the year. the coyotes are just too much right now. Detroit looks terrible.

oh well, all I really wanted was for the team to keep the playoff streak alive.

Glad to hear you are off the bandwagon. Please go join the Blackhawks fan board with Mindfly and delete your account here.

#1929753 Oh How I Hate the Capitals

Posted by Nightfall on 01 April 2010 - 08:41 AM

Exactly the sentiment I shared two seasons ago. I am more than happy to give the benefit of the doubt. We were all new to this game at some point and it was attending a handful of games, watching them on TV, reading what we could that we began to familarize ourselves and really foster a true love for the sport. However, in all my years I don't remember ever going out of my way before I even knew the playoff format or the names on an opposing team and proclaim to all the world my never ending love for the Red Wings and how stupid and terrible every other franchise was. In fact, since you seem to be a magnanimous and reasonable fellow, that in 1995 you didn't randomly call out a Canadians fan as "f*gs" and rally a group around him chanting "Let's Go Caps" (poor kid). A Canadians fan? Really?

I agree 100%. I barely knew the game back in 1995. I was still trying to determine the difference between college hockey rules and NHL rules. That being said, I hated the Devils. It wasn't until the NHL came back from the lockout when I started enjoying just about all hockey I could watch. I became a fan of the game about as much as I became a fan of the Red Wings. I think you can call me a magnanimous and reasonable person just based on the fact that while I love the Wings, I can enjoy the sport for what it is. :)

I forgot who said it earlier, but the Verizon center (and by proxy the related sports bar...Green Turtle I'm looking you general direction) are no longer hospitable places to be. Be cognizant on who votes for the Norris Trophy before you tell me Lidstrom is a joke and "Green was robbed by the other GMs because they are jealous they don't have him," or that "Yzerman doesn't know anything about hockey otherwise he would've picked Green for Team Canada," because he's "twice the player Yzerman ever was".

Ignorance knows no bounds. I have to agree that these people who said these things are dumb. However, I hear the same damn quotes from Wings fans relating to players on the Wings roster. Look at the discussion about the Calder voting for instance. Some Wings fans already have a chip on their shoulder because Tyler Myers seems to be getting all the press. Some are already saying "Howard is getting robbed." I don't equate this to ignorant Caps fans, but ignorant fans overall. These are the same fans, when the chips are down and their team is struggling, will bandwagon jump to another team.

Like I said earlier - zeal, or passion not tempered by knowledge or respect leads down an ugly path. This has unfortunately gotten worse over time, not better. The fan base seems louder and more ignorant than they did only two seasons ago. The genuine air of excitment and eagerness to learn the game has been replaced with whining, entitlement, and arrogance and that is very unfortunate. Yes, I suspect that you're right when this all ebbs and the bandwagon is empty - new and knowledgable fans will remain and ready to support their team regardless. That sounds like a fan base and team that I would be happy to be a part of. However, it by no means makes it easier for those of us here now who want to enjoy hockey as the bandwagon appears to be fully stocked like a clown car on its way to a three week bender in Tijuana.

Look, I know that my repsonses have been a tad extreme, but purposefully so to clarify an overarching point: my personal capitals experience in Washington DC has been dissappointing.

I say "experience" because you are absolutely correct: the fan base and the team itself are exclusive to one another. It's not Mike Green's responsibility to ensure that no insults are spoken in his defense nor is it the fan who directs Green's approach to how he runs the powerplay. I chose to evaluate the fans from the organization. The organization moved towards a style of play that I am not particular interested in or actually convinced that it can result in a championship, and the fans are...well, the fans. The Capitals experience is not "malicious" or purposefully evil - it is an experience that I felt was special and exciting and has devolved to something ugly and unfortunate.

I completely agree with your assessment as a whole though. I just give the Caps fans a lot more leeway. I think you need to give these fans a little more than 2 years in order to get their attitude in order.

Let me give you another example here. I am a Ferris State Bulldogs hockey fan. Always have been. In fact, that was the first team I ever saw play live. Heck, my first game I ever saw was Ferris State vrs Lake Superior State. Anyway, Ferris State has never been a national powerhouse. They have always languished in the middle to bottom of the pack with a couple exceptional years thrown in. In 2002-2003, Chris Kunitz led the Bulldogs to a NCAA playoff birth and a CCHA regular season championship. The rink was full that season as well as the next season.

As a fan, I noticed that the rink went from true hockey fans to bandwagon fans in the span of a season. The second year, the fans move from excited to be part of a winning team to what I like to call "right to entitlement". That is the same area the Caps fans are in today. In short, the fans of a winning team want to see more success next season. If that success doesn't come, well, its the refs, league, coach, or player's fault. If the team has more success the next season, then it gets worse the next season.

The only way you get fans to calm down is to have a period of 5-10+ years of success like the Wings have done. The Devils would be another success story. Eventually, the fans become more educated about the game of hockey and since fans love a winner, they stick around.

It all ends though when the team starts to go downhill again. The fans will leave the game and go to other teams. The true fans will stick around (like my friend in Tampa Bay has figured out), but the mass amount of fans will leave. These are the people that you and I both like to talk to. These are the people that I got to know at Ferris State when the team sucked that stayed with the team and continue to stay with the team today. Its good to know these are true fans of the game and the team. Talking hockey with these people are a privilege.

In conclusion, I know you are sick of the Caps fans. I am just asking that you give them a bit more time. In a period of 10 years or so, the Caps will win a Stanley Cup and the team will be slipping back into mediocrity. The fans that stick around when all the bandwagon fans leave will be the ones you will enjoy talking too the most. You just don't know which fans will shake out until the team starts dropping in the overall standings which is going to be a while. Just know its all a vicious cycle. Its going to happen with the Wings eventually.

Personally, I watch the Caps on NHL Center Ice quite often. If the Wings don't win the cup this year, I would be a happy hockey fan if Washington lifted it (or any other team who hasn't won it in a while or ever).

#1923238 DET-PIT Post-Game Discussion

Posted by Nightfall on 23 March 2010 - 01:37 PM

I don't get this.

I can't be an avid Wing's fan because I think Sidney Crosby is a great player?

Geez guess I should sell my season tickets then. Thanks for your input.

I completely agree with you here. I am an avid Detroit Red Wings fan, but I am also a hockey fan. I have season tickets to the Griffins and get the NHL Center Ice package because I love to watch and attend hockey games. I have favorite players that I love to watch like Ovechkin. I am not too wild about the Penguins, but I think Crosby is a great player and I like to watch Chris Kunitz because he was a Ferris State Bulldog hockey player and a 2 time cup champion. Just because I think Crosby is a great player doesn't make me less of a Wings fan that's for sure. Anyone who claims otherwise is an idiot. End of discussion.

#1920449 3/20 GDT: Red Wings 4 at Canucks 3 (OT)

Posted by Nightfall on 20 March 2010 - 10:55 PM

Good come back, lets hope they hang on in the 3rd. Problem is they cannot string 6 or 7 of these games together. They play like this in one period, sometimes 2, but shoot themselves in the 3rd most nights. Then sometimes the play like yesterday. Nice period, but far from playoff hockey. I certainly hope they continue this play, but all too many times, they don't.

The bandwagon fans are climbing back on board.

In all seriousness, thats a post by a wings fan. Not the belitting crap that I see out of a lot of bandwagon fans that are looking for a reason to jump on board with the Hawks or something.

#1920344 3/20 GDT: Red Wings 4 at Canucks 3 (OT)

Posted by Nightfall on 20 March 2010 - 10:30 PM

I want to note that the bandwagon fans that jumped off are not commenting now that the wings are doing well. Maybe they jumped off early?

#1920252 3/20 GDT: Red Wings 4 at Canucks 3 (OT)

Posted by Nightfall on 20 March 2010 - 10:14 PM

I like what I see from the Wings. They have a lot of intensity but luck is just not on their side right now.

#1920239 3/20 GDT: Red Wings 4 at Canucks 3 (OT)

Posted by Nightfall on 20 March 2010 - 10:12 PM

I don't see your ultimate Captain stepping up and taking charge. Lidstrom great player, s***ty Captain. This season falls on his head...

Further proof of your bandwagoner status.

Lidstrom led us to a Stanley cup in 2008 and the finals in 2009. Oh how soon we forget.

#1920180 3/20 GDT: Red Wings 4 at Canucks 3 (OT)

Posted by Nightfall on 20 March 2010 - 09:49 PM

Goodbye Detroit. No playoffs this year. It was 20 years ago the last time we missed the playoffs. I am sick of the biased reffing, Mike Ilitch has to see this s***, why doesn't he say something!!!! Maybe he is getting paid off to keep quiet. I think its time to give Howard a rest. Looking like a rookie now a days. Granted he is playing just as good (or crappy if u may) as everyone else, but he doesn't need to get burned out. Once again, off season, only a select few are untouchable. This team is playing pathetic, at least we have the injuries to blame, oh wait, they're healthy. Make deals Holland or lose credibility.

Please cancel your account and leave. If more bandwagon fans like yourself leave, this place will be a lot more tolerable.

#1920140 3/20 GDT: Red Wings 4 at Canucks 3 (OT)

Posted by Nightfall on 20 March 2010 - 09:37 PM

On both Vancouver goals, our defense is soft in front of the net. The second goal Vancouver had was just disgusting. Why isn't Detroit's defense being aggressive about getting guys out of in front of the net? Its obvious if Howard can see the shot he is going to make the save.

Holmstrom is in front of the net and Vancouvers' defense is knocking Holmstrom out from in front of the net. Detroit should take a lesson from that and start doing that in their own zone.

#1911802 Jimmy Howard watch thread

Posted by Nightfall on 09 March 2010 - 08:27 AM

Apparently Jimmy Howard is the most consistent goaltender in the NHL.

Also, updated. This is the lowest Jimmy has been in save percentage and goals against in a while, although he is still top ten caliber in both categories. He has looked a bit shaky since the Olympic break, but fortunately the team in front of him has been solid enough to win.

If he leads Detroit to the playoffs, he should at least get a shot at playing in the playoffs. Thats what I think.