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#2109530 2/2 GDT: Franzen 5 + Red Wings 2 (7) at Senators (5)

Posted by Nightfall on 03 February 2011 - 02:25 PM

I spent more time on skates growing up then in shoes. Plenty have. But this is the NHL. If you're a goalie in the NHL, let alone a starting goalie on one of the top teams, it is reasonable to expect a goalie to be better than Howard has been this year. I don't care what team you're playing for, what injuries said team may have and what defensive issues may exist, when you have to go into a game expecting that 4 goals will be scored against you, there's a real problem.

That said, the defense has been terrible, sure, but the reality of the matter is that we are not the only team that has defensive issues. Plenty of other teams struggle far more than we do with the stupid mistakes and they don't have the talent to at times compensate for it. Yet somehow, even the terrible teams seem to have goalies outplaying Howard more often than not lately. I'm not one of the one's calling for his head, and I've got faith that he'll recover in due time, but let's be honest here...defensive breakdowns or not, Howard's had a rough year, and if he can't get it going, unless Babcock goes with Osgood, we're toast come playoff time.

It is stupid to blame every goal on him, and he isn't getting much help, but any way you shake it, he hasn't played well and he's absolutely got to play a lot better. You need your goalie to compensate for some of the inevitable defensive breakdowns. Again, I really like the guy and I'm not throwing in the towel by any means, but this year, he's simply not playing well at all.

Goalies on terrible teams are going to shine more than goalies on great teams because of the sheer amount of chances they have against them. I have made more highlight reel saves against awesome teams because of all the chances they get to score. It doesn't make me superhuman though.

I do have to admit that you are right on one count though. Howard does have to make a big save or two in every game. Yes, blown coverages are going to happen. Its the goaltender that can make that big save or two that bolsters the confidence of the team in front of him.

Howard was lights out last season in the last 25 games. He needed to be and the Wings rallied around that. In the playoffs though, he didn't deliver his best games which was concerning. As you say before, I am not blaming every goal on Howard like 75% of the LGW forum members do, but that is what I tire of to be honest.

The LGW members are considered to be true fans of the Wings and the game of hockey. In the last few years, this has not been my experience. Most of them are quick to jump all over the players if they make a mistake or the goaltender for every goal that goes in. Be damned if the goal was scored by an uncovered player on the other side of the net, a tip, or a deflection he had no chance to stop.

Excellent analogy though. Thanks for your well thought out response.

#2109476 2/2 GDT: Franzen 5 + Red Wings 2 (7) at Senators (5)

Posted by Nightfall on 03 February 2011 - 11:27 AM

Howard with a .853 save percentage for the night...

When 4 of the 5 goals were scored due to defensive breakdowns and blown coverages, its hard to fault Howard. Speaking from experience, when my team plays well in front of me and keeps the shots to the outside, I can pitch a shutout or keep them to 1 or 2 goals scored. When my team plays poorly, it can be 6 goals allowed easy. This is why Ken Holland invests so much into his defensive core. The goaltender is the last line of defense. The defense is there to make sure it doesn't come to that.

The armchair fans in this forum and other hockey boards really have got to get out there and play the game.

Aside from that, the Wings didn't play their best game. Big deal. In the course of a season, teams are going to go through highs and lows. The Wings are solid at the top of the division and with an injured group of players that are coming back now. Be patient. Give it time. Still 32 games to go until playoffs.

#2083710 12/23 GDT: Red Wings 3 at Blues 4

Posted by Nightfall on 23 December 2010 - 08:33 PM

Long deflection, Ozzie should have had that me thinks.

You obviously haven't played goal before, or even listen to Mickey when he explains it. That puck was going to Ozzie's left, and he was centered to that. The puck changing direction on a 80mph shot is a bad break, not a goaltending flub.

#2073569 12/4 GDT: Red Wings 2 at Kings 3 (OT)

Posted by Nightfall on 05 December 2010 - 12:24 AM

Would love to see Osgood learn some of Jimmie's strengths, like not letting in s***ty goals.

You have seen him let in a s***ty goal tonight? Please point it out because all I have seen are 2 deflections he had zero chance to stop.

#2073562 12/4 GDT: Red Wings 2 at Kings 3 (OT)

Posted by Nightfall on 05 December 2010 - 12:22 AM

Ozzie is playing great. Every shot that is coming straight at him he is stopping.

#2073554 12/4 GDT: Red Wings 2 at Kings 3 (OT)

Posted by Nightfall on 05 December 2010 - 12:21 AM

What it comes down to for me with Ozzie is that he is not as good as Howard at this point in their careers...Period.

As long as Ozzie plays like a capable back-up and get wins I don't really care about anything else.

I agree. Ozzie knows he won't get a starting gig with the Wings. At the same time though, I think he is a very capable backup.

#2073471 12/4 GDT: Red Wings 2 at Kings 3 (OT)

Posted by Nightfall on 04 December 2010 - 11:47 PM

Of course it's never Ozzie's fault when the other team scores lol

I could see you saying that if it was even remotely a stoppable shot. Off a redirection? Thats an ignorant statement.

#2073467 12/4 GDT: Red Wings 2 at Kings 3 (OT)

Posted by Nightfall on 04 December 2010 - 11:45 PM

Osgood is hopeless on long, screened shots, in any event. He's just not big enough.

Yea, a 3 time cup winner who has won almost 400 games and made it to 4 cup finals. He sucks. :P

Dumbest post ever

#2070320 Datsyuk's goal song?

Posted by Nightfall on 29 November 2010 - 09:57 AM

I know everyone has an opinion about what the goal music should be. Lets be honest here, every rink has their goal song(s) that adds to the atmosphere of being there. I like Chelsea's Dagger at the Hawks arena. That place is a madhouse when they score and that song comes up, and I have just been there 2 times in the last two years. Even the Dallas Stars arena has some great goal scoring music and other rink music that makes going there a lot of fun. Especially the end music when they win the game (Stevie Ray Vaughn who is a Dallas native).

As for Detroit's music, I feel that everything from the Irish Gig when Shanny played for us, to Hey Hey Hockeytown, to the final horn when they play "The good ole hockey game....." all add to the atmosphere of the game. From a personal standpoint, I would prefer to hear the Hey Hey Hockeytown song after the first goal, and then the ole 2 Unlimited song they played back in the day after every goal after that. Just my preference, but I also enjoy them adding a few different goal songs for a few different players.

#2065778 11/19 GDT: Wild 4 at Red Wings 3 (OT)

Posted by Nightfall on 19 November 2010 - 10:56 PM

Osgood? I would feel safer with Ericsson in the net, this team hasn't got a decent backup and howard have serious rebound issues

Yea, that 10-2 record is so hard to swallow. Sounds like you should go back to the Blackhawks bandwagon.

Except the Red Wings had the puck in Minnesota's zone 95% of the game and the Wild still managed to score four goals (three of which are solely on Howard).

I'm all for saying it wasn't a great team effort, but Jimmy Howard and his lack of rebound control cost us a point tonight. He'll bail the team out plenty this season, but he really deserves the blame for this loss. I think even idiots could see that.

So the defensive coverage in front of the net didn't matter? Lidstrom not picking his guy up on the final goal didn't matter? I guess the old addage rings true here...

Win, and its a team effort.
Lose, and its the goalies fault.

Wow, where have I heard that before? Typically from armchair hockey fans.

#2065733 11/19 GDT: Wild 4 at Red Wings 3 (OT)

Posted by Nightfall on 19 November 2010 - 10:10 PM

Win as a team, lose as a team. Goaltending was not great. Defense was not great. Our top line was not great either. Anyone blaming goaltending alone is an idiot. Blame the crap effort as a whole.

#2054061 10/28 GD: Coyotes 4 at Red Wings 2

Posted by Nightfall on 28 October 2010 - 07:15 PM

Nobody can say that Mickey is a biased commentator. He sounds like a Coyotes color guy tonight.

No one listens to Mickey anyway. If they did, they would have heard Mickey say the first goal was not Osgoods fault. The second goal was not Osgoods fault. The third goal MIGHT have been deflected. Course, Mickey is the best announcer according to Wings fans. Just not when it comes to commenting on how the Wings goaltending wasn't at fault or how bad their team is playing.

#2050507 10/21 GDT: Flames 2 at Red Wings 4

Posted by Nightfall on 21 October 2010 - 09:02 PM

I agree with Mickey. Howard was outstanding in this game. He looks like he did at the end of last season.

#2049538 Rypien suspended 6 games

Posted by Nightfall on 20 October 2010 - 09:58 AM

A couple videos on the incident. The first one the commentators say the fan touched him, which is incorrect.

Another perspective. These commentators know whats going on.

#2047574 We need...

Posted by Nightfall on 15 October 2010 - 05:41 PM

I agree with you 100%. As a true fan of the Red Wings, I can tell you that there are parts of me that want to not come back to these forums. Mainly because of the attitude of some of the posters here. I regularly talk with Wings fans at lunch and have better conversations with them than I do with posters here. I guess a lot of it has to do with the fact that many internet posts can be brutal. People speak their minds, and with anonymity, truly nice people can turn into morons quickly.

I lay it out a lot like you do.

1. The management deserves our full support. If not for the consecutive postseason appearances, but for the tradition of winning that has been built.

2. The players deserve our full support. No player is going to be a top line player like Lidstrom for 20 years. Even he is not immune from the negativity, which surprises me. I guess all it took was one non-Norris trophy like season for the commoners to turn on our captain. Anyway, every player deserves to be supported. They all play their hearts out and to chew into them for their mistakes or belittle them is really dumb.

That isn't to say that conversation shouldn't happen. Sure, anyone can ask the question if "player A should be signed" or "player B didn't play well". What is just wrong are the attacks against players, management, and ownership from moronic fans. Case in point, look at the "need a goalie" post. Osgood has sucked the last 3 years? 2008 was one of his best seasons! Talk about uninformed and dumb just because of that fact.

A majority of posters in these forums are not true Wings fans. They are what I would call bandwagoners. The instant that the team falls on hard times, these posters will be joining up on the Sharks or Hawks forums and claiming that they are fans. Just watch. All it will take is one bad season to make it happen. I certainly hope that doesn't happen, but I suppose there is an advantage if it does happen. Look at the Tampa Bay Lightning. When they won the Stanley Cup, everyone was a Lightning fan. I have a friend who has been a season ticket holder to the Lightning since they started playing. At the start, it was the ticket to have in Tampa Bay, and the general hockey knowledge was pretty low. After the Stanley Cup run, he would describe it as one of the most uninformed hockey fanbase he had ever known. Fans would ride the players and be non-supportive if they weren't doing well. Today, its a great time to be a hockey fan in Tampa Bay because the team is playing well, Yzerman is in charge, and the base of fans is small but they are die hard fans who support the team. That, IMHO, is the best time to be a real fan of the team.

Ah well, I have said enough.

All the really successful sports teams have the most neurotic fans.

Fans have the right to think what they want. They don't "owe" the team anything really. The team provides fans with entertainment, while fans provide teams and owners with actual revenue, which goes into player salaries.

LGW is actually more fun with neurotic threads. Go to a Panthers or Thrashers board, and see how many people give a damn there. Not many, hence not as interesting a discussion board.

This is very true. Without the common idiots, it really is not entertaining to go to forums and read the posts.