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#2554930 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by Nightfall on 08 December 2014 - 04:40 PM

There are many here that still remember the 2002 Wings team that won the cup.  They were #1 in the preseason rankings.  In 2008 the Wings were #3 before the season started.  Many analysts gave the nod to San Jose or the Rangers because they were so deep.  Many Wings fans felt that those teams were "contending" teams.


Before the season started here, many Wings fans were on the cusp of bailing on this team.  No real significant signings in free agency.  No changes to the personal.  This team was ranked in the middle of the pack in the preseason and were going to possibly miss the playoffs.  I loved the tanking thread by the way.


Two months ago, this team was only going to be contending for a playoff spot.  Its amazing to see what happens when the team is playing well and is healthy for the most part.  Now, all of a sudden, shocked Wings fans are thinking this team can contend for the cup.  Guess what?  They can!  The teams are so even that anyone who makes the playoffs can win the cup.  Health, getting hot at the right time, and puck luck are all it takes to make it happen. 


I believe this team can challenge for the cup so long as they stay healthy, stay hot, and get those bounces that wins games (look at the Tatar goal against Carolina where it goes in off a defenseman's skate for instance).

#2552978 11/30 GDT - Canucks 3 at Red Wings 5

Posted by Nightfall on 30 November 2014 - 05:18 PM

Wings are within a point of the top spot in the east.



We should have tanked it for sure.



The kids are playing great.  The vets are playing great.  This wasn't a excellent all around effort, but we did what we needed to do to win.

#2545573 TANK IT! 2014-2015 Season

Posted by Nightfall on 30 October 2014 - 12:39 PM

The "month of death" is almost in the books.  5-2-2 record so far.  Big game against LA on Friday, but so far the Wings are on the right track.  Happy with the results so far.  Glad we didn't chose to tank it this year.

#2544119 10/23 GDT : Penguins 3 at Red Wings 4 (OT)

Posted by Nightfall on 23 October 2014 - 11:03 PM

And the team is having a great start despite playing some tough teams this month. Are we not allowed to be excited?

Oh yeah, you're one of those who have been predicting doom and gloom. Sorry your predictions have been completely wrong thus far. But not really.


Just based on the quality of threads in the offseason, this team was pretty much given up and left for dead.  With every loss, these naysayers get stronger, with every win, they get weaker.  The "Tank it!" thread is all you need to read in order to get an idea of just how bad it got.


The Wings have played solid considering their first 10 games were considered to be the "Month of Death".  They are to be commended for sure.  Howard has turned his game around.  The kids are fun to watch.  Tonight was a real gut check victory and the team is going to be stronger because of it.

#2543397 10/21 GDT - Red Wings 1 at Canadiens 2 (OT)

Posted by Nightfall on 22 October 2014 - 12:43 PM

Good teams fight through adversity and win.  Bad teams blame losses on adversity.  That really is the difference in a game, season, and/or the playoffs.  The Wings have played remarkable hockey so far this year.  Howard is off to a great start.  The kids are playing well, despite not scoring a lot.  I am very eager to see how this team does as the kids get older.  We knew that we are going to have a period of inconsistency. 

#2542531 Weiss

Posted by Nightfall on 19 October 2014 - 04:47 PM


What about Abby?


When Dats comes back, I bet you will see Jurco move back down to Grand Rapids.

#2540203 10/11/14 GDT: Game 2 | Ducks 3 @ Red Wings 2

Posted by Nightfall on 11 October 2014 - 08:39 PM

While the Wings got jobbed on the no call, they had plenty of chances to win this game beforehand.  Pretty exciting game though, and YAY, no injuries.  That in itself is a win.


This right here.  While I am disappointed in the non-call, you can't blame the refs entirely.  The Wings had a ton of chances to win this game and just couldn't bury their opportunities.  Good teams don't rely on the refs or bounces to win games for them.  I am not disappointed in their effort at all.

#2539649 10/9 GDT : Bruins 1 at Red Wings 2.

Posted by Nightfall on 09 October 2014 - 11:12 PM

After reading for months on these forums about how members wanted the team to tank it and how the team was going to suck balls this year, I think most people have relaxed a bit.  This team is not horrible.  Boston was coming off a tough game last night, and the Wings really did play like they had the fresher legs.  Still, I was happy with the result.


Smith really did look good.  Franzen's play was much improved.  I really enjoy watching the kids out there.  They are gaining confidence and that is going to serve them well.  Can't wait to see them play on Saturday.

#2537238 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by Nightfall on 24 September 2014 - 08:21 PM

Every team is dealing with injuries on their rosters right now.




I know everyone here is concerned or upset about the hit, but I look at teams like Carolina that lost Staal for a much longer period and acknowledge that injuries are part of the game.  The hit was clean, and there should be no suspension or fine.  Every team is going to deal with injuries, and the Wings are going to be no different.


Dats could be back in as early as 2 weeks which would make him a go for the start of the season.

#2534274 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by Nightfall on 14 August 2014 - 05:23 PM


That's a pretty easy challenge for you to win considering you never really know who is on the market as a GM until they take a job somewhere.   :lol:


This is true to some extent.  However, lets look at some of the people whom some fans wanted as GM of the Wings instead of Holland.


Yzerman - So far, he has done well at Tampa Bay.  Their roster this year looks better than last year.  Except since he took over, they made the playoffs their first year, missed the second year and third year, and then made it last year only to get swept in the first round.  Better than Holland?  That remains to be seen.


Ray Shero would be the only guy I would even consider being GM of the Wings. 

Nothing screams job accountability like giving an extension to a guy that's gotten consistently worse at his job each year in the last 5 years.


That pizza selling vegetable Ilitch needs to sell the team to someone who still gives a s***.  


So you don't believe in job accountability?


Just because someone was good 10 years ago, shouldn't give them a pass to be lazy at their current job.  


If his job is to ensure that we have a competitive team that competes for a championship every season, he has achieved his goal.


If you are measuring accountability by championship or nothing, then there are 29 other GMs who are also failing.

#2534255 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by Nightfall on 14 August 2014 - 01:22 PM

Really like it, our farm system has never looked better. The last few years haven't been ideal, but our playoff streak is still intact and Ken Holland is the reason. There isn't a franchise in the league that never has a few average seasons between great ones. His legacy is going on the line here though, if this team struggles and wastes the last few years of Dats/Zetterberg there aren't going to be fans lining up to reminding us of the 3 Stanley Cups we won with him and having the best team in the league from 1997-2010 which is unfortunate. Time will tell if Ken Holland has a master plan with this franchise, or if he's just meddling his last years in mediocrity hoping his past success will be his legacy.


My thoughts are you never know what you have until it's gone, and for me I think that rings true for Holland. Fans in Detroit have incredible expectations, which is understood, but I don't know of many hockey GM's in the history of the league that could satisfy this fan bases appetite of not only winning, but winning Stanley Cups for over 20 years. Notice I said the history of the league, I don't think there is a better option for the team right now other than Holland, he knows the players we have in the system, if our goal is to win it all soon he gives us our best option. If we want to tank, and surely waste the last years of Datsyuk/Zetterberg, and hopefully build up to a playoff franchise in 5 years then we should get a young GM and give him the reigns, I just don't think that's that right plan.


Best post in this thread.  I agree 100%.


Yes, I am not happy with Holland's lack of success when it comes to luring free agents.  At the same time though, he has kept us competitive.  We continue to make the playoffs, and people forget that a year ago, we took the cup champs to 7 games and had them on the ropes up 3 games to 1.  The cup champions last season were #6 in the western conference.  Making the playoffs, being healthy, and getting some puck luck is really all it takes to win the cup these days. 


For those of you who want to see Holland gone, I would challenge you to find a GM that is better on the market right now.  I see no reason to ditch Holland now in exchange for someone unknown or unproven.


I know I am happy with the work he has done in the past, and even though the Wings haven't won the cup or been to the cup finals since 2009, I am good with this signing.

#2532075 Holland Wiki page edited

Posted by Nightfall on 14 July 2014 - 07:10 PM

No one here is saying they could do a better job as GM. All people are saying is that there are other potential GMs out there that could have better addressed the team's needs. Looking at other organizations like Dallas and Tampa, there is an argument to be made.


Dallas, a team that was the last place team in the Western Conference to secure a playoff spot and hasn't been relevant since they lost to the Wings back in 2008.


Tampa Bay, a team that actually did pretty well last year and then got swept by Montreal.  The past two seasons before that they didn't even make the playoffs.  This is with Yzerman at the helm who was considered to be better than Holland.


Sure, these teams seemed to address their teams needs, but we will see how the product on the ice looks and how they do in playoffs.

I don't know. I just don't find it funny much. 


Same here man.  I guess I am not a butthurt fan.  Sure, I wanted to see a high priced free agent come into play.  At the same time though, I am ok with the moves that Holland has made so far.  Giving the kids a chance is what he needed to do and he is going to do it.  Cleary is just an insurance policy.  He won't be beating out someone for a roster spot if they are better. 


It kills me when posters cite Holland not signing all these UFAs to big deals as a good thing, and that's why we want him, when in fact, he is out there pitching the same huge deals to the UFAs as everyone else, he just keeps getting rejected. How do they conveniently ignore that? And it's not just this year! The stupidity of some of the statements in light of the facts is mind-blowing to me. Holland offers a guy the same deal or a bigger deal, guy signs with other team, and somehow we're lucky to have a GM that doesn't sign UFAs to huge deals? Seriously? I just don't even know where to start when people are so loyal that they can't begin to be even remotely objective about the realities of the situation.


Being objective would be looking at the entire situation.  Suter and Parise wanted to play in Minnesota.  They have ties to the area.  Same with Vanek.  Boyle has family in New York and requested to play there for less since the Rangers were against the cap.  Players will do what it takes to go somewhere they want to go.  When Dekeyser chose to come to Detroit, and the contracts were the same no matter where he went, did you give credit to Holland for this?

#2529681 Wings sign Andy Miele (former Hobey Baker winner)

Posted by Nightfall on 02 July 2014 - 11:46 PM

Are we going for the Calder Cup??


Since Blashill took over down there, the answer is yes.  That hasn't been the case with our coaches in the past who haven't done much with the talent they have been given.  A strong farm system is just as valuable as a strong NHL team.

#2529492 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by Nightfall on 02 July 2014 - 01:15 PM

People don't want to play for teams because they're good organizations. They want to play for teams that will either pay them way more than they're worth or give them a chance to win (or both). Detroit simply doesn't provide the latter now that Nicklas Lidstrom is gone.


This is very true and it makes sense.  In some cases, people make decisions to play for their favorite team.  Like Vanek did with Minnesota or DeKeyser did with the Wings.  Still, to those people who are not loyal to a team, they want top dollar or a chance to compete for the cup or both.

#2529071 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by Nightfall on 01 July 2014 - 07:46 PM

Well, all I can say is....crap.


If you don't agree with the way this team is being run, I recommend that you don't watch them on TV.  Don't spend money on tickets.  Don't spend money on jerseys.  If you want to watch good hockey live, spend money on college and semi-pro games instead.


When the lockout happened, I promised myself I wouldn't spend a dime on the NHL and so far, I haven't done that.  I still watch the games, but I couldn't care less about anyone who advertises for the Wings games.  This year, I won't sit out from watching the Wings, thats for sure.  The Wings are my team.  I am disappointed in what has happened in the offseason, but I won't cash in my fan card because the team falls on hard times.