Posted by Nightfall
on 12 September 2013 - 02:01 PM
I have always been a strong supporter of the Wings management. Now I am seriously questioning their judgement? Why sign Cleary? They already are $750,000 or so over the cap. They had options, but none were very bad. Worst case they send Nyquist down if everyone was healthy. As it turns out now, they are $2.5 million over the cap and now have another player to be concerned with. What a debacle.
They had Ken Kal on for the first part. He talked about the signings of Weiss and Alfredsson. Then they talked about the rest of the team.
They pulled out some good stats out, such as Dats scoring over 40% of the Red Wings goals through the shortened seasons. Thats just unbelievable.
Finally, they predicted the Wings would finish 3rd in the conference. It could go as high as 2nd if the Wings secondary scoring picked up. It could go as low as 6th or 7th if they have similar struggles to last season. Either way, they predict the Wings are playoff bound next season.
Uh...OK. That statements not hypocritical at all, lol. Who here would even care if he had a drug problem in his past. I'd probably rather someone who used to have a drug problem than someone who used to be (and may still be) a complete nut and threw temper tantrums all the time.
Only hypocritical if you actually believe it. I am just saying that I would at least understand if people hated Mcguire if he did those things. Personally, I don't give a crap. Its easy to judge people and I don't spend time doing that.
I think the thing to take away from this was that he was a bad coach, or that it was a bad fit for him from the Whalers. How many of us have been in a job where we were not respected or where the management or employees didn't like us? I think all of us have been in a situation like that at least once if you have been in the workforce. Pierre is now a respected analyst who is on TSN, NHL Network, and has a gig on NBC. Sure, not everyone likes him but I think he does a decent job. Hell, I think that he is less biased than Eddie. The fans who want homer announcers aren't going to like him.
As for his past, who cares. So he did a bad job as a coach, or it wasn't a good fit. Its not like he had a drug problem or raped someone.
After reading four pages of discussion, I can say that I agree with some points here. They should be penalizing the hits, not the result of the hits. They should be reviewing these hits after every game, and make the penalties stiffer. At the same time though, I go back to my refereeing experience and say that its not that easy. As fans of the games, we love the big bone crushing hits. We love to see Kronwalled players fall on their asses after being hit. With the speed of the game as it is now, we aren't going to see a reduction in the amount of concussions unless we change the game.
Case in point, as a USA Hockey ref that has refereed up to AAA hockey, there is a hit to the head rule there as well. In the course of a game, without review there seem to be 2-3 contact to the head penalties called per game. That is just what the referee sees. Now imagine how many there could be with video. Point is that there are many hits that go to the head in every game in the NHL as well. Some go called, and others don't. If they are going to start calling every game more strict, then the game is going to change.
Players will be more hesitant before hitting. Checking is going to be a lot more cautious. We won't see as many checks because of the fear of being suspended. I have zero problem with going that route. You see that in youth hockey when players are starting to hit. None of them are charging all over the ice hitting everything because there is a certain sense of being careful that they still have.
I think better helmets would help matters out a lot. Mandatory visors and mouthguards are also huge too. The owners want to protect their million dollar investment? What about investing in better equipment that all players have to wear? No more wearing pads they have had for 20 years.
Just my .02 cents.....
Yep, it does. And the NHL has definitely not suspended any star players recently. Except Kris Letang, Alex Ovechkin, Mike Green, Shane Doan, Jeff Skinner, Duncan Keith (twice), James Neal, Nicklas Backstrom, Claude Girouix, Dustin Brown, Alex Edler, Taylor Hall, Joffrey Lupul, and Corey Perry.
All of these guys were suspended in the last two seasons. It is an absolute joke to think that the NHL won't suspend stars, or that they're otherwise immune from punishment. If you do the crime, you do the time more often then not. Do they miss one occasionally? Sure. But there is no "star bias".
Keep telling yourself that.....you'll be a #1 center someday too. So you're saying talent means nothing, as long as you get along with your teammates?
I don't think anyone is in a position to say if a change of scenery will make Flip a better player or not. Chemistry is just as important as talent. I wouldn't be surprised one way or the other. If I was a betting man though, I would say that Flip doesn't do well in Tampa Bay.
I guess it depends on what you call a model franchise. Every franchise has high points and low points. If you think about it, the Hawks fans have had to endure just as much turmoil as the long time Wings fans have. The Wings had their low point back from 67 to 83 when the Wings only made the playoffs 2 times. Bruce Norris really did run the team into the ground. It took Illitch years to dig out from that hole and get a cup contending team in Detroit. Even then, i twas a full 15 years before they won the cup.
I wouldn't call Chicago a "model franchise" to be honest. They are on the upswing though with the ownership investing in the team, Bowman at the helm, and Joel is a great coach. IMHO, a model franchise is one that has had 20+ years of success. It has less to do with cup wins and more on player development, community service, making the playoffs, being profitable, and so on. The thing is that no franchise is a model franchise forever. Teams change hands. Ownership doesn't invest in the team like they used to. The focus of ownership shifts. I could go on and on here.....
The point is that I consider the Wings to be a model franchise more than Chicago. It has nothing to do with their cup runs, but more with the years of success they have had. Just keep in mind that nothing is forever. In another 20 years, the Wings could be back to the "Dead Things" while Chicago has made the playoffs for 20+ consecutive seasons. Chicago would then be a model franchise.
The Stanley Cup will be in the building tonight in Boston, with the Chicago Blackhawks one win away from claiming the championship. And that means it’s time to get excited about one of the highlights of the NHL season: Watching commissioner Gary Bettman struggle through presenting the Cup.
In the years since Bettman’s debut as the Stanley Cup presenter, the ceremony has evolved into one of the most awkward traditions in all of sports. Bettman fidgets, the crowd boos, the posed photo takes way too long, and the winning captain fakes a smile while he waits for Bettman to just let go of the Cup and hit the bricks.
Blashill is expecting to be with the Griffins next year. To that I say, thank god. He is the best coach Grand Rapids has had in years. I fully expect our prospects to be better so long as we have a good coach and good developmental people such as Chelios, Maltby, Draper, and Osgood at the helm.
because we are talking about perfectly trained adults here, they are the players and I would guess that they now exactly what is best for them and what is not.
This is just like people saying that they want a no helmet law when it comes to riding a motorcycle. These perfectly intelligent and trained adults know the risks. So there should a no helmet law right? If someone gets into an accident and has a head injury which puts them in a care facility for the rest of their lives, they will be going after the insurance company, the driver, the state, and everyone else they can get money from.
The problem is that these hockey players are going to be fine with it until one of them takes a stick to the eye and then their career comes to an abrupt end. Like Manny Malhotra who has played in 9 games since his eye injury and it looks like his career is finished. He is going to get as much from NHL disability as he can.
There are times when people must be protected from themselves. Just like people should be forced to wear a helmet when they ride a motorcycle, players should be told to wear visors. They aren't growing eyeballs in petri dishes, and all it takes is one stick to end your career. I think that visors, like helmets in the past, should be grandfathered in.