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#2682644 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kickazz on 08 July 2016 - 03:39 PM

The difference between Goose and Helm is that Helm turns 30 sometime this season and Goose was turning 26 entering into his prime. 


I honestly would probably be calling this an excellent deal if Helm was 25 rather than 29. I'm looking at this situation in it's entire scope. I'll reiterate some points.


1. We have a log jam of NHL forwards.

2. We have a log jam of AHL forwards or extras trying to become NHL forwards (Mantha, AA, Jurco, Pulk, Bert, Callahan)

3. 5 years. This contract runs till he's 34. If 29 year old Helm's best is 33 points what will 32 y/o Helm be? 33? 34? 

4. His best production was when he was 24 years old. His next best production was in 2015 where he thrived as Datsyuk's wing (Tatar - Datsyuk - Helm line). Can he repeat the production without Pav? I'm not saying he won't but it's something to think about.

5. Injury history. It's pretty bad. Doesn't mean it will happen again, doesn't mean it won't either. These things should be considered when making 5 year deals imo.

6. Was it worth paying $3.85 million when perhaps AA could take the role? AA doesn't have the same grit but he can probably provide the same duties on the third line and on the PK. We also have Nielsen now so the PK will primarily be his to handle.

7. Perhaps it is Helms market value. Maybe you guys are right. But does that mean management should pay it? I mean, it's not like it's Datsyuk hitting UFA. If that was the case, we do whatever we could to retain him. But was their hand really forced here? I don't think so.


I just don't see this contract working out in our favor. I hope I'm wrong though. And it all depends on if he has a NTC or NMC. 


If there's a NMC then lol. 

#2682616 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kickazz on 08 July 2016 - 11:35 AM

I don't think it was THAT important to resign Helm to be honest. And I especially didn't think Miller was either. I think Holland tried to play it safe and wanted to keep them in case he didn't land other free agents.

$3.85 x5 isn't a slight overpayment for a bottom 6, 26 point scorer. It's a pretty big overpayment. Even if he kills penalties.

Just to put it into perspective, Gustav Nyquist scored more goals (27 goals) than Helm scored points (26 points total) when he got his contract and only makes 900k more.

Wayne Simmonds makes as much money as Helm does and scores more than twice as many goals and points.

We should have let the guy walk and let someone else overpay him to be honest.

I'm purely looking at this in terms of numbers and financies. Don't think I'm trying to insult Helm guys lol.

This was a bad contract. And it's not even bad in hindsight like Ericsson's was (who was probably expected to be a pretty good D man but ended up disappointing most fans). This one is bad from day 1 and I'm hoping to god, moses and buddah that there's no NMC or NTC so we aren't stuck with it if it doesn't work out.

And ya'll know I'm no Holland hater either.

#2681251 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 01 July 2016 - 11:51 AM

I want Nielsen here but he's not THE guy. We still need a star. Hopefully he and Larkin develop good chemistry.

5.5 isn't terrible. Helm is a $4 million player and Nielsen is twice the player.

Helm isn't a $4 mil player, Holland overpaid him.
I can't express what I truly feel about Holland right now without getting banned.

#2679528 Detroit trades Datsyuk to Arizona

Posted by poel on 25 June 2016 - 08:19 PM

I think we'll add two forwards. Stamkos and then a supporting player. I'm losing hope in a defenseman, tough. I guess we could tackle that next year. Baby steps.


If we're able to lose Ericsson I'd be ok to play the kids. With Ericsson I'd be concerned. I never really liked him but he was always solid. Last season he was beyond terrible. I'd rather play Ouellet or Smith. 

To me it's not written in stone that there's no d-man available though. Minnesota wants wingers for a defender. I don't want Spurgeon but I think they're more thinking about Scandella, Brodin or Dumba anyway. Brodin is a rocksolid workhorse similar to DeKeyser, Scandella is a typical stay at home defenseman with a big shot. Dumba still has to learn a lot but he has tons of skill. Sky's the limit for him...and he's a righty. I'd take them all. Problem probably is that Holland doesn't have the balls to give up something significant in a trade. For all three of them I'd happily trade away Nyquist, Tatar plus pick or prospect. 

Same situation in Anaheim who wants wingers or cap for forwards and therefore seems willing to give away Fowler.

Holland should also keep an eye on Trouba. If it's true that he's demanding a lot of money or might doesn't want to resign at all Holland has to have an offersheet ready. Two Michigan top defenders might be available...Holland better doesn't miss out on them if there's the slightest chance...

#2677549 2016 SCF: San Jose Sharks vs. Pittsburgh Penguins

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 12 June 2016 - 09:56 PM

Bettman being booed mercilessly. 

#2677171 Alexander Radulov: Wings on short-list of desired teams

Posted by puckbags on 08 June 2016 - 05:43 PM

If Radulov is honestly looking for 7.5 million/yr for 2 years as the rumors are floating around he and his agent are out of their minds. 

#2674464 Alexander Radulov: Wings on short-list of desired teams

Posted by VM1138 on 29 April 2016 - 01:16 PM

SBNation says he's likely going to the Avs.

#2672686 ECQF Game 5 Post-GDT: at Tampa Bay 1, Red Wings 0 (TB Wins, 4-1)

Posted by Namingway on 21 April 2016 - 09:01 PM

Man, like I said in the GDT, I don't feel as disappointed in the loss as I did in the past few years. Maybe it's because the Wings barely made it in when everyone expected them to miss the playoffs. If anything, I feel worse about how this is likely the way Datsyuk will end his career as a Red Wing. Well, I guess Lidstrom and Yzerman didn't really have the best ends to their legendary careers either. In any case, I'll always cherish the memories of Pavel Datsyuk dazzling us with his magic. I'm sure I'll be showing my future children and grandchildren ancient highlight clips from YouTube of the Magic Man. Thanks for all the fun, Pavel. It was a hell of a show.

#2672075 ECQF Game 5 GDT : Red Wings at Tampa Bay Lightning, 7:00 EST

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 21 April 2016 - 11:43 AM

No changes and expecting a different result.  Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn. 



#2670602 ECQF Game 3 Post-GDT: at Red Wings 2, Tampa Bay 0

Posted by hankzet40 on 17 April 2016 - 08:52 PM

What a game. Other than a crappy PP everything went as well as it possibly could. Smith was unreal, Mrazek steady as hell and Hank finally showed something. Bring it again Tuesday and we have a series.

#2656908 Uh oh... Coreau called up... Mrazek injured?

Posted by chaps80 on 01 March 2016 - 10:05 PM

Yeah let him take as much time as he needs if Howard keeps playing well. Shouldn't rush back from a groin issue. Let him rest a bit more, and let Howard try and raise his trade value. All good.

#2656871 Uh oh... Coreau called up... Mrazek injured?

Posted by DRW Dominance on 01 March 2016 - 04:39 PM

i would let jimmy play tomorrow.  give mraz a few more days to be safe.

#2655621 Jakub Kindl traded to Panthers

Posted by Dominator2005 on 27 February 2016 - 04:22 PM

Great move by Kenny.... Wait.... He's the one that signed him to that contract...

#2645599 1/2 GDT : Red Wings at Buffalo Sabres, 1:00 EST

Posted by joesuffP on 02 January 2016 - 02:49 PM

This team is full of guys who just crumble under pressure. It's all in their heads. Kronwall and Ericsson are just the kind of guys who trip and fall when the game is on the line they always have been

#2640990 12/3 GDT : Arizona Coyotes at Red Wings, 7:30 EST

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 03 December 2015 - 07:41 PM

I bet if that puck was a cheeseburger he'd stop it?